EPTI play on South America and my nickname isn't in portuguese, so people assume I'm a foreigner and actually talk english to me a lot.
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
I play on South America and my nickname isn't in portuguese, so people assume I'm a foreigner and actually talk english to me a lot. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
Of course, I play with a Texan that generally hates other cultures/languages, have played with many an angry english-speaker blaming non-english teammates (and admittedly been there myself. That said, the not-speaking-english is just assumed by the fact that they're not speaking at all, half the time. I'm not assaulting them based on their nationality; I'm assaulting them based on their refusal or inability to communicate.) and have had my fair share of anger towards my teammates and/or DotA. While not necessary, it is pretty darn human. I agree with the sentiment that it should be avoided, but disagree with the notion that DotA is the origin of any xenophobia! Myself, I'm Candian, so the attacks on americans don't affect me directly, but they do make me sympathize with any returned dislike of other languages playing on english-chosen NA servers. Sure, it's the "right choice" to be kind to them anyways, but I have a hard time judging others for something I'm not entirely sure I'd be able to do myself. | ||
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1Dhalism
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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ishida66
Japan74 Posts
Being a Brazilian myself, I used to play on the SA server because of the lower ping and it was unbearable. Almost every game had one or more toxic player, which ended up in intentional feeding or a flame war on the chat/mic. Since them Ive being playing on the US East server, slightly laggier but at least people were better on average (US east is also full of idiots but at least they arent using the effing mic to rape my ears). While its undeniable that being an asshole isnt a nationality trait, you cant deny that people from the same country in GENERAL (not all) will behaves similarly. Brazilians tends to complain way more about others mistakes. Not only on online games but even IRL. Brazil is a shit underdeveloped country and its population is partially to blame on that. Im glad that since October I moved out of that shit And size of the country doesnt matter shit on an online game when communication matters, just because everybody is doing it wrong they are okay because theyre majority? This is not some shit democracy. Valve should implement language bans, so people who choose the correct filter arent fucked up by a bunch of analphabets that only knows how to hit play and swear in game. | ||
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floi
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Gendo
United Kingdom216 Posts
Coming from Starcraft where it's mostly GG ,GLHF and Cancer seemed that every person spoke english, playing Dota was kind of a shock for me because nobody did. In almost every country English is taught in schools and that level would suffice for simple in-game chat, plus if you consider that they probably are nerds and spend their life on the internet means that they are well exposed to English. Speaking 4 languages i can make out what most of them are talking about and the way i see it is that they think to be the majority (probably true) and speak their language to annoy others and maybe push them away from their game. But that's exactly what English speakers do so.... | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 19 2013 15:51 PyrionFlax wrote: In response to some of the posts in this thread: Like I said, people being dickheads are just people being dickheads. The problem I have is with people saying that it's their nationality that makes them dickheads. And that's not racism, it's xenophobia, so the guy saying that people "cry racism" too often is oddly enough crying racism himself. I didn't use that word. And BAD players who don't speak English are going to be bad even if they DID speak English. Some of the best players I've randomly queued with have not had to say a word beyond pings and the chatwheel. That could have been Vladimir Putin himself. It's great that people think the only problem is the language barrier but I honestly think that more often than not it's just that those players are bad players. I hope you weren't referring to me. I was talking about itsjustatank and the things he said in this thread, not you. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9179 Posts
On October 19 2013 07:28 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Stop throwing around the word "racist" so much. It's emotionally charged, doesn't make a point and is abused far more than it is used. It destroys conversations and ruins whatever chance there is of reasonable communication. Also, it gets misused a lot, like right here. You're calling people racists solely for disliking people who cannot communicate in a team game, where communication is vital. Being incapable of communication is objectively harmful to one's team and directly harms the experience of the players. Nationality, race and actual in-game skill is completely secondary to the fact that a person deliberately hopped on a server where they knew few people would not speak their language, and then proceeded to cripple a team due to their inability to communicate. Racism is only racism when one applies blanket-hatred to an entire group of people for no rational reason and/or no reason based in objective fact. This is nice but doesn't answer anything, especially in context. You can dislike people who play badly. You make assumptions that people who you cannot communicate with deliberately do so; you also assume they are bad. The rest of the people trying to justify their actions here make assumptions that everyone from X nationality are people who they cannot communicate with and play the game deliberately to spite them. These issues can be solved from a game design standpoint. How the community deals with its speech and its racist implications is another thing entirely. Xenophobia is fear of the other, and the prime enabler of racism. I use the word racist because the speech acts of the community are very focused on nationality and ethnicity. If this makes you uncomfortable, you should examine why that is so. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On October 19 2013 16:17 XxChumxX wrote: I call fucking bullshit on this. Ask any SEA player and they will tell you with certainty that Chinese players are better players. Just because your experience is limited only to the West doesn't mean that it is the same everywhere else in the world. We have our own problems here in SEA, and that is the Filipinos. I can tell you for a fact that it is more of the attitude problem that most Filipinos present rather than their individual skill level which gives them a bad name. As a matter of fact, Filipinos speak much better English than Chinese players and yet I would rather play with Chinese players 10 times out of 10. Most of the times, it is not that they cannot communicate in English, but they would rather not because they have their own friends in the game and would rather exclude the other players from their private conversations. So stop with your generalizing and one-sided tirades and maybe you could look at the scene from a bigger perspective - that the fault does not only lie with those who are 'xenophobic' in your own words, they are also present with those who are the victims of the 'xenophobia'. You are wrong. I played on both Perfect World and US servers. There are plenty of awful players on both servers. The only difference is that every Chinese dota player seems to think that he's a tactical genius whose game knowledge is unparalleled.  I ran into complete idiots bossing you around and trying to call the shots, only to go MOM on sniper, activate it and get insta-gibbed from full hp with a single lina ult. To presume that there is something genetic that makes players of X nationality better at a video game is just absurd. | ||
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brobrah
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On October 20 2013 02:58 itsjustatank wrote: If this makes you uncomfortable, you should examine why that is so. Your tone through this entire thing has been condescending, self-righteous and downright mean. People are presenting an actual problem (inability to communicate in a team game) and all you've done is demonize and finger point. And when people call you out on it, you double down and say "If being called a racist makes you uncomfortable, maybe you are one.". This isn't civil discourse, this is PC thuggery. | ||
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FrickenHamster
United States40 Posts
On October 20 2013 02:58 itsjustatank wrote: This is nice but doesn't answer anything, especially in context. You can dislike people who play badly. You make assumptions that people who you cannot communicate with deliberately do so; you also assume they are bad. The rest of the people trying to justify their actions here make assumptions that everyone from X nationality are people who they cannot communicate with and play the game deliberately to spite them. These issues can be solved from a game design standpoint. How the community deals with its speech and its racist implications is another thing entirely. Xenophobia is fear of the other, and the prime enabler of racism. I use the word racist because the speech acts of the community are very focused on nationality and ethnicity. If this makes you uncomfortable, you should examine why that is so. Why are you trying so hard to pidgeonhole everyone who disagrees with you as a racist. All of your posts from the reply with the picture of the colored restroom have been sensationalist. We are simply stating we want to play with people who speak our language, not join a game with a stack of Spanish speakers, and start discussing hero picks immediately leaving us out of the loop. Are you have done is say our concerns are invalid, and use your internet degree to evaluate us as racists. | ||
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Twiggs
United States600 Posts
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Twiggs
United States600 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:00 Souone wrote: There is also the issue that the portion of the Brazilian players that do actually speak english, or don't and just play SA server, is transparent to people. If the guy is speaking english on US East the only way you might think he is not american is the ping, which might be 150~200ms or so (maybe steam profile sometimes), but still you can't say where he is from, maybe it's Europe or whatever, so you just won't know. So people just get see the bad side really. I think a good current analogy could be made with Republicans. If you look at the media you will probably think Republicans are all god damn stupid people, but I'm sure there are plenty of them who are quite reasonable (e.g. Jon Huntsman), but a vocal portion of the party drives public opinion much easier, especially the part of the public that is mostly uninformed. This is somewhat off topic but THANK YOU. I am a moderate republican and I do not think or act ANYTHING like the the Republicans you see saying and doing stupid shit on tv. Getting back on topic and relating to the the Republican point.... isnt this whole russian vs brazillian vs dota community just a little misunderstanding? I think thats what pflax is saying anyways. Cant we resolve our differences or are we so zealous we want to drive this thing into a blood feud and continue to let it kill a little bit of the community? | ||
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bNoLuck
Germany125 Posts
Makes your whole thing pointless^^ Assuming it wasn't in the game you were right though | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
1) A lot of people play DotA 2 and enjoy making smartass remarks. If your team doesn't speak English/Espangol/Francais, whatever, they can't appreciate your smartass wisecracking or passive-aggressive build critiquing. There goes some of your fun. 2) Hearing other people constantly speaking (or seeing them typing) what is to you total nonsense is distracting and incredibly annoying. So you mute them and now you get to rely on the chat wheel and pings which are (mostly due to point one) generally used to make smartass remarks. It's that simple. Edit: I mean, sure you can spam chat wheel at people that don't speak your language to make smartass remarks, but that's just not as satisfying as asking them whether their father was exposed to radioactive waste before conceiving them, is it? | ||
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