• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:26
CEST 19:26
KST 02:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call1[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Replay Review Process - What do you do? Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History
Tourneys
Toronto invitational lan 22 august Brood War in Budapest ! WORTEX 2026 BW Finals [ASL22] Ro24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4449 users

Pyrion Flax Attacks : FOREIGNERS - Page 13

Blogs > PyrionFlax
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
navalverde
Profile Joined October 2013
1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 22:42:53
October 30 2013 19:54 GMT
#241
Pyrion Flax completely sidestepped the primary problem with foreigners playing on servers other than their own, and that problem is lag. I suspect this is the case because he plays mostly on Europe and the Russian players may or may not at least have playable latency. As a US west player there have been MANY games in my experience where because of the arbitrary decisions of matchmaking that doesn't take into account player pings result in complete stomps or un-winnable games because of the disparity in latency between two teams.

If you type ping into the console you can see the ping of all the players in a game, I have noticed in the past that I was matched with 4 players who had 280+ ms ping while the other team had nobody over 120ms. As the only player on my team with a 70ms ping how am I supposed to win? Conversely I have been in games where every single player has 300ms pings except for me and I get ultra kills with relative ease on snowball heroes like qop simply because my opponents can't react to anything fast enough. I can understand Russian players playing on EU East/West, but US West? How does that make any sense? How can you say I have no right to be upset at a player base who routinely joins games only to pause repeatedly while they re-connect to game (as if that eliminates the Pacific/Atlantic ocean barriers between us) only to just quit 5 minutes later.

I find it to be selfish to not feel bad about mindlessly wasting 9 other people's time who just want to play a fun game. In my mind it is no different than joining a game and feeding on purpose, except that this is born out of willful ignorance as opposed to malice. Sure maybe the community's response to these player groups maybe racist at times, but I think it is too easy to play the race card here and ignore the underlying and more pragmatic issue at hand. From what I understand the latency to the South American servers is absolute crap, whether that is the fault of their local ISPs or Valve's server configurations I don't know. But until this problem is solved the community will continue to suffer as a whole because people will continue to keep playing an unplayable game because they love Dota so much.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8278 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 20:29:46
October 30 2013 20:29 GMT
#242
On October 31 2013 04:54 navalverde wrote:
Pyrion Flax completely sidestepped the primary problem with foreigners playing on servers other than their own, and that problem is lag. I suspect this is the case because he plays mostly on Europe and the Russian players may or may not at least have playable latency. As a US west player there have been MANY games in my experience where because of the arbitrary decisions of matchmaking that doesn't take into account player pings result in complete stomps or un-winnable games because of the disparity in latency between two teams. If you type ping into the console you can see the ping of all the players in a game, I have noticed in the past that I was matched with 4 players who had 280+ ms ping while the other team had nobody over 120ms. As the only player on my team with a 70ms ping how am I supposed to win? Conversely I have been in games where every single player has 300ms pings except for me and I get ultra kills with relative ease on snowball heroes like qop simply because my opponents can't react to anything fast enough. I can understand Russian players playing on EU East/West, but US West? How does that make any sense? How can you say I have no right to be upset at a player base who routinely joins games only to pause repeatedly while they re-connect to game (as if that eliminates the Pacific/Atlantic ocean barriers between us) only to just quit 5 minutes later. I find it to be selfish to not feel bad about mindlessly wasting 9 other people's time who just want to play a fun game. In my mind it is no different than joining a game and feeding on purpose, except that this is born out of willful ignorance as opposed to malice. Sure maybe the community's response to these player groups maybe racist at times, but I think it is too easy to play the race card here and ignore the underlying and more pragmatic issue at hand. From what I understand the latency to the South American servers is absolute crap, whether that is the fault of their local ISPs or Valve's server configurations I don't know. But until this problem is solved the community will continue to suffer as a whole because people will continue to keep playing an unplayable game because they love Dota so much.


1. Omg great wall of text of doom! No one is going to be able to read that without going crosseyed.
2. Let this thread die. It has run its course
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
16:00
King of the Hill #260
EmpressLilyy42
Liquipedia
PiG Sty Festival
12:00
PiGFest Finals Day
Serral vs SolarLIVE!
PiGStarcraft2404
IntoTheiNu 999
ComeBackTV 822
TaKeTV 543
IndyStarCraft 294
Rex138
3DClanTV 101
EnkiAlexander 77
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft2404
IndyStarCraft 284
Rex 138
BRAT_OK 61
EmSc Tv 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 725
Mini 621
actioN 440
Soulkey 291
firebathero 172
sorry 86
Zeus 74
Shine 42
Hm[arnc] 42
Sharp 38
[ Show more ]
Bale 27
Rock 23
IntoTheRainbow 14
Dewaltoss 4
Dota 2
qojqva4193
Counter-Strike
byalli822
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King145
Other Games
Grubby2110
Liquid`RaSZi1977
FrodaN1227
KnowMe107
White-Ra95
Livibee66
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV960
gamesdonequick739
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 11
EmSc2Tv 11
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 41
• Reevou 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2720
• Nemesis1981
Other Games
• imaqtpie643
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
16h 34m
hero vs ggaemo
Larva vs Mong
The Patches Monday
22h 34m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
Soulkey vs PianO
JyJ vs sSak
GSL
1d 17h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W8
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.