On October 24 2013 00:22 Oakenshield wrote:This isn't Counter-Strike and it's hard to have fun or win if someone speaks only a language I don't. The same is true for everyone who gets hammered, match making is horrible but the one defense I will make for it is that no game that I know of can take your blood alcohol level and adjust your match making queue accordingly.
Counter-Strike communication. Good times. As long as they go Super saiyan every other match and pull the team through, he could be mute for all I care. There were so many assholes that had that "it" factor that you had to deal with too.
So according to this I am a moron and a racist. Thats interesting. Got to tell that my pupils I teach, who do have different backgrounds and got treated by me as fair as possible. Thanks TL!
On October 24 2013 09:19 bigglesbiggles wrote: I have generally found people who speak only a few words of English to be more helpful in communicating information about the game than the fluent Australians I am frequently matched with. A lot of said people have learned or use basic dota vocabulary in English, and I feel like it would be polite to do the converse.
A polite version of cyka.txt that compares mandarin, english, portugese, russian, spanish, any other commonly spoken languages on dota (these are the ones I encounter most) would be pretty useful for people who have learned basic pronunciation. (I guess the mandarin would have to be in pinyin.) I've been looking for such a document for a while, but I can't find one.
Honestly, that last paragraph made me wonder if some basic edited form of google translate wouldn't solve most problems. It's not like communication in dota is lengthy or intricate, it could probably be translated decently so when I write something in English, it could be automatically translated by russian clients into basic russian. At least then you would get your point across.
That would be ideal, but a dictionary for game-specific phrases would be a necessary first step. Google Translate can't tell me how to say "offlaner" or "aggressive tri-lane", for example. It would also help those of us who like using voice chat.
This thread is so high up on a pedestal it's not even funny.
It's easy to say all of this and imagine a perfect world where you can make a team game work with zero communication, planning, or teamwork but in reality everybody in here knows it rarely works. On occasion you have a game where your teammates don't speak your language and still do their job effectively complementing your role and winning the game, but it's so rare it's barely worth mentioning.
I think it's completely fair to tell people to keep to their own servers. I played a game once on a European server in which I was the only one who spoke English. Due to the fact that I couldn't communicate with my team, I lost the game for us. From that moment forward, I only play on US servers, because that's where I'm from. Skilled or not, lack of communication loses games.
In what sad universe is a "perfect world" one in which people can learn a small vocabulary in some foreign languages to improve their winrate in a video game? Hahahaha. It's not like 90% of the things people say in dota are even common english.
Not sure this really gets at the core issue... Players not just in dota but in this genre as a whole tend to be pretty nasty toward each other It can happen because someone feeds, doesn't read someone else's mind, doesn't speak their language, picks an unconventional item, makes a hero selection someone else thinks is dumb, etc
All of that said, I do think there's something to the idea of joining a server that matches one's language. That said, Spanish is an extremely common north american language and Portuguese isn't all that different so that doesn't bother me. Russian on an NA server doesn't make much sense though.
On October 25 2013 08:49 Gimpb wrote: Not sure this really gets at the core issue... Players not just in dota but in this genre as a whole tend to be pretty nasty toward each other It can happen because someone feeds, doesn't read someone else's mind, doesn't speak their language, picks an unconventional item, makes a hero selection someone else thinks is dumb, etc
All of that said, I do think there's something to the idea of joining a server that matches one's language. That said, Spanish is an extremely common north american language and Portuguese isn't all that different so that doesn't bother me. Russian on an NA server doesn't make much sense though.
Your first paragraph doesn't have anything to do with the issue in this thread at all. Language is just one of the many issues that people will use as a reason to be "nasty", but its certainly not the lone reason. I think its a separate topic entirely, although a very interesting one. I myself have found myself becoming more and more aggressive while playing dota as well, even though I hate other people doing it and I know its not healthy for the game or community.
On October 25 2013 08:15 bigglesbiggles wrote: In what sad universe is a "perfect world" one in which people can learn a small vocabulary in some foreign languages to improve their winrate in a video game? Hahahaha. It's not like 90% of the things people say in dota are even common english.
So in how many foreign languages can you communicate dota 2 strategy and tactics? Can you do it in Lithuanian?
The only day I asked a player "br?" meaning: Are you from brazil? Would be the same as asking "us?" or "ru?". Anyways the reason I asked is becouse the guy was good and I was looking to invite some players to make a team. The guy goes "I'm not a fucking br, fuck you". Why was the guy so agressive just becouse I asked a simple question? I can certanly tell there is some hate out there.
I play in 2 servers, Brazil and US East. I used to play US West but I was getting some lag so I gave up on that server. I play on 2 servers becouse I figure that the more options I have the less waiting time I will have. Plus I'm bilangual so I have no comunications issues on either servers. If I had a constant 30 secs wait on the local server I'd be happy to stick to one server. But since thats not the case I expand my options.
And by the way, as far as playing bad, one point wasnt mentioned in this post. I play on single draft and on all pick. Some times I'm forced to play with a hero I'm not confortable with on single draft. Or maybe I just want to try out a new hero on all pick. The point is, just becouse a player puts a bad performance on a particular hero doesnt mean they are bad. Admiral Bulldog used on only play prophet on pubs back in the day. Bet he wasnt such a pub star when playing with some other heros. So you might meet a player that plays a horrible game with invoker but has an awesome rubik. You just got unlucky he choose invoker when playing with you.
Dota 2 will be dominated by Koreans. It will be their LoL B teamers that start getting into Dota 2 too. non-Koreans won't win WCS Finals ever, Korean all-star team will always win the all-star weekend, Koreans will take the worlds 9 out of the next 10 years. Dota 2 was just released in SK, so it will be around 2 years before your idol teams like Na'Vi will be embarrassed by a Korean team.
Stop trying to beat the Koreans, try to learn from them.
On October 27 2013 01:00 TaishiCi wrote: Dota 2 will be dominated by Koreans. It will be their LoL B teamers that start getting into Dota 2 too. non-Koreans won't win WCS Finals ever, Korean all-star team will always win the all-star weekend, Koreans will take the worlds 9 out of the next 10 years. Dota 2 was just released in SK, so it will be around 2 years before your idol teams like Na'Vi will be embarrassed by a Korean team.
Stop trying to beat the Koreans, try to learn from them.
^LOL I read the OP and then jumped to the last page and out of nowhere is a Korean guy talking about how Dota 2 will be dominated by koreans. That's so random and hilarious and stereotypical and devastatingly ironic given the context, I can't help but laugh.
My years of playing counter-strike competitively has taught me, through purely anecdotal evidence, that Brazillians and Russians cheat in video games more than other nationalities.
On October 25 2013 08:15 bigglesbiggles wrote: In what sad universe is a "perfect world" one in which people can learn a small vocabulary in some foreign languages to improve their winrate in a video game? Hahahaha. It's not like 90% of the things people say in dota are even common english.
So in how many foreign languages can you communicate dota 2 strategy and tactics? Can you do it in Lithuanian?
Approx zero at the moment, but I hope to increase my ability to do the basics to one. I'm not talking about anything complicated here. More information about what's going on / how to lane / what enemy team is doing. If you want to give me a primer on how to say basic dota stuff in Lithuanian, I'll certainly write it down in case I need it. As I said in my earlier posts, there's a problem in finding translations of game-specific vocabulary. Cyka.txt, for example, mostly focuses on insulting people, which probs won't help your teammates play better.
On October 27 2013 01:00 TaishiCi wrote: Dota 2 will be dominated by Koreans. It will be their LoL B teamers that start getting into Dota 2 too. non-Koreans won't win WCS Finals ever, Korean all-star team will always win the all-star weekend, Koreans will take the worlds 9 out of the next 10 years. Dota 2 was just released in SK, so it will be around 2 years before your idol teams like Na'Vi will be embarrassed by a Korean team.
Stop trying to beat the Koreans, try to learn from them.
Call me when a Korean team takes down Na'Vi and Alliance at TI4-TI5. Until them you have a lot to learn from the Dota 2 teams, because I have seen the Korea leagues and no amount of LoL B-teamers is going to bring them to the level of Alliance or Na'Vi or DK.
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