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United States5162 Posts
Twitch, specifically proleague, did the same to me.
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Do streamers get more money out of ads or subscriptions?
If they get more through subscriptions, then I'd be ok using adblock and subscribing because I agree, too many ads is terrible. I'm ok with a moderate amount, but if it hinders the experience (random ads making you miss important stuff) then its not ok!
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If you subscribe then you don't need to use adblock (on that stream).
Streamers would make wildly more money if everybody subscribed over just watching ads, however I'm guessing that many streamers make more from ads than from subscriptions currently (since they might average 3000 viewers but only have 50 subscribers).
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When I watch streams on Twitch (usually not DotA or Starcraft, but rather LoL and MtG), I only get the ad at the start and ads that the streamers themselves launch manually. No such thing as bad ad timing.
So isn't it rather a problem of the streamer than Twitch? Bad settings, bad ad policy, I don't know?
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It isn't the end of the world or anything lol, but I hate it when I'm watching a stream from my bed or whatever and I gotta get up to click the "skip ad" button because every ad now is one of those. And then I gotta sit there and wait because there are 4 more ads on the way.
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A mandatory ad will play when you open or refresh a stream.
This has always happened for me... it's nothing new... but I don't know why you get ads in the middle of the game :/
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I'll stick to being an ass by editing host files and blocking everything. I prefer to enjoy my entertainment without interruption, then again most of the streamers I watch are not people that solely rely on twitch.tv as their income. Tired of the barrage of random ads that ruin the experience.
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Twitch has gotten so much better in the last two weeks. Seems like they finally opened up new VOD servers. Props.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 11 2013 06:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
If you subscribe then you don't need to use adblock (on that stream).
Streamers would make wildly more money if everybody subscribed over just watching ads, however I'm guessing that many streamers make more from ads than from subscriptions currently (since they might average 3000 viewers but only have 50 subscribers).
I don't really like the idea of subscription to specific streams, because I don't actually follow individual streamers or even games. Usually I just watch whatever I can catch when I have some free time - that could be Dota, Starcraft, CS or something different, that could be a tournament or a player's stream or a show etc.
So that model doesn't really work for me. Instead I would like to have more control over when the ads are shown, like you have to get 3 ads per hour and you have a button to roll an ad, and if you don't click that button then the ads will run at the end of the hour, or something like that.
Also I think twitch has an overall subscription, but I am not sure how (and if) the streamers get revenue from that.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On October 11 2013 06:37 spinesheath wrote:
When I watch streams on Twitch (usually not DotA or Starcraft, but rather LoL and MtG), I only get the ad at the start and ads that the streamers themselves launch manually. No such thing as bad ad timing.
So isn't it rather a problem of the streamer than Twitch? Bad settings, bad ad policy, I don't know?
Well today during Starladder Dota games I was spammed with ads, I missed teamfights because ads randomly decided to show, and I missed post-match xboct interview because I got that infinite-ads-until-you-refresh issue. Now I hate that PS3 game with Ellen Page for no good reason because that particular ad was running over and over :-D And that wasn't the only time, it has been happening all the time recently.
But I think you may be right, maybe it is an issue with the streamers' ads policy rather than twitch.tv's.
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I was watching WCS Europe in the background at work, and I noticed like every 1minute a ad would play. Especially during breaks, it was ad-ad-ad-ad-ad-ad-ad for like 10m straight.
Too much of a hassle to get IT to install adblock so I don't even bother watching anymore
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Yeah I dont mind watching ads usually but the ones that make you manually skip else watch a 10 minute commercial (one of them is literally a fucking hour) are really annoying.
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I don't see why you would watch ads in the first place. It's not up to you to give money to the players or twitch.tv for that matter. It up to them to convince YOU that they are so valuable that they get you to take your wallet out and pay them. Not only that its up to them to FORCE you to take out your wallet and pay if you really want to watch them. Instead they try to tiptoe around that whole thing and put ads on the streams. Instead you go and watch stupid ads and then complain about it.
It would be FAR better for you to have adblock, for EVERYONE to have adblock, because then the marketing team of all those companies would realize its not working for them to use ads in videos and would take their ads off twitch.tv. The marketing team of companies would have to find a better way to market their products/services and twitch tv would have to find a better way to market their products so as to get clients paying. If people don't mind paying 3,4,5 bucks a late from Starbucks on an almost daily basis what would be the problem with them paying 5,10,20 bucks a month to watch their favorite streams? If they really don't see the value in it, then they would stop, if they did then they would GLADLY pay that price.
Hell people pay 60bucks to watch UFC, 60bucks to watch a top boxing card. What would people rather have? Have their time wasted watching ads, or pay money to see something they love watching? Use adblock! Business will have to find new and innovative ways to market their products/services. It's their job to get you to buy their products, not your job to help them brainwash you with ads.
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On October 11 2013 09:41 ElizarTringov wrote:
I don't see why you would watch ads in the first place. It's not up to you to give money to the players or twitch.tv for that matter. It up to them to convince YOU that they are so valuable that they get you to take your wallet out and pay them. Not only that its up to them to FORCE you to take out your wallet and pay if you really want to watch them. Instead they try to tiptoe around that whole thing and put ads on the streams. Instead you go and watch stupid ads and then complain about it.
It would be FAR better for you to have adblock, for EVERYONE to have adblock, because then the marketing team of all those companies would realize its not working for them to use ads in videos and would take their ads off twitch.tv. The marketing team of companies would have to find a better way to market their products/services and twitch tv would have to find a better way to market their products so as to get clients paying. If people don't mind paying 3,4,5 bucks a late from Starbucks on an almost daily basis what would be the problem with them paying 5,10,20 bucks a month to watch their favorite streams? If they really don't see the value in it, then they would stop, if they did then they would GLADLY pay that price.
Hell people pay 60bucks to watch UFC, 60bucks to watch a top boxing card. What would people rather have? Have their time wasted watching ads, or pay money to see something they love watching? Use adblock! Business will have to find new and innovative ways to market their products/services. It's their job to get you to buy their products, not your job to help them brainwash you with ads.
I can understand installing adblock when a site is bugged or ad spams you, but you're suggesting that we install adblock specifically to force people to make us pay for their product. I'd rather sacrifice a few seconds of my time every 5-30 minutes than shell out hard cash and heck, most people would too.
A lot of the views for Youtube channels and streams come from casual viewers and people just sampling the content. Putting up a paywall would drive away those colossal demographics and block new viewers from sampling and maybe subscribing to channels. If that happens, hundreds of content producers and many thousands of viewers would be robbed of content and cash.
Playing hardball with content producers helps no one. We all come away from this poorer if we drive guys out of business.
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On October 11 2013 09:52 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 09:41 ElizarTringov wrote:
I don't see why you would watch ads in the first place. It's not up to you to give money to the players or twitch.tv for that matter. It up to them to convince YOU that they are so valuable that they get you to take your wallet out and pay them. Not only that its up to them to FORCE you to take out your wallet and pay if you really want to watch them. Instead they try to tiptoe around that whole thing and put ads on the streams. Instead you go and watch stupid ads and then complain about it.
It would be FAR better for you to have adblock, for EVERYONE to have adblock, because then the marketing team of all those companies would realize its not working for them to use ads in videos and would take their ads off twitch.tv. The marketing team of companies would have to find a better way to market their products/services and twitch tv would have to find a better way to market their products so as to get clients paying. If people don't mind paying 3,4,5 bucks a late from Starbucks on an almost daily basis what would be the problem with them paying 5,10,20 bucks a month to watch their favorite streams? If they really don't see the value in it, then they would stop, if they did then they would GLADLY pay that price.
Hell people pay 60bucks to watch UFC, 60bucks to watch a top boxing card. What would people rather have? Have their time wasted watching ads, or pay money to see something they love watching? Use adblock! Business will have to find new and innovative ways to market their products/services. It's their job to get you to buy their products, not your job to help them brainwash you with ads. So what you're suggesting is that we pay actual money for something, instead of getting it for free and sacrificing a few seconds of our time every 5-30 minutes of content? You must either earn a lot of money, or not know how to spend it too well. I can understand installing adblock when a site is bugged or ad spams you, but you're suggesting that we install adblock specifically to force people to make us pay for their product. Not a good deal if you ask me.
Except like people indicated it happens way too often. Plenty of people don't earn a lot of money but they still spend money on the things they love. Why shouldn't it be the case with this? I never said take sample content of youtube or anywhere else. How do you know it would drive them out of business? The commercials are already driving people off the videos, or they are making people use adblock, therefore the ads never reach the viewer anyways and twitch doesnt get paid! If people are so unwilling to pay for the content then it simply means they don't want it or appreciate it, so then the business DESERVES to be put under.
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On October 11 2013 10:05 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 09:52 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On October 11 2013 09:41 ElizarTringov wrote:
I don't see why you would watch ads in the first place. It's not up to you to give money to the players or twitch.tv for that matter. It up to them to convince YOU that they are so valuable that they get you to take your wallet out and pay them. Not only that its up to them to FORCE you to take out your wallet and pay if you really want to watch them. Instead they try to tiptoe around that whole thing and put ads on the streams. Instead you go and watch stupid ads and then complain about it.
It would be FAR better for you to have adblock, for EVERYONE to have adblock, because then the marketing team of all those companies would realize its not working for them to use ads in videos and would take their ads off twitch.tv. The marketing team of companies would have to find a better way to market their products/services and twitch tv would have to find a better way to market their products so as to get clients paying. If people don't mind paying 3,4,5 bucks a late from Starbucks on an almost daily basis what would be the problem with them paying 5,10,20 bucks a month to watch their favorite streams? If they really don't see the value in it, then they would stop, if they did then they would GLADLY pay that price.
Hell people pay 60bucks to watch UFC, 60bucks to watch a top boxing card. What would people rather have? Have their time wasted watching ads, or pay money to see something they love watching? Use adblock! Business will have to find new and innovative ways to market their products/services. It's their job to get you to buy their products, not your job to help them brainwash you with ads. So what you're suggesting is that we pay actual money for something, instead of getting it for free and sacrificing a few seconds of our time every 5-30 minutes of content? You must either earn a lot of money, or not know how to spend it too well. I can understand installing adblock when a site is bugged or ad spams you, but you're suggesting that we install adblock specifically to force people to make us pay for their product. Not a good deal if you ask me. Except like people indicated it happens way too often. Plenty of people don't earn a lot of money but they still spend money on the things they love. Why shouldn't it be the case with this? I never said take sample content of youtube or anywhere else. How do you know it would drive them out of business? The commercials are already driving people off the videos, or they are making people use adblock, therefore the ads never reach the viewer anyways and twitch doesnt get paid! If people are so unwilling to pay for the content then it simply means they don't want it or appreciate it, so then the business DESERVES to be put under.
I'm not arguing against using adblock when it happens too often or is bugged, like with Twitch sometimes.
Allow me to break this argument down to its most basic level. Many places already give you the ability to pay hard cash to avoid ads. This gives the consumer something vital: choice. We can chose to donate our time, or our money.
You want to take away that ability. You want to force content producers to remove that choice, to piss off millions of fans who prefer to spend time over money.
That doesn't help anyone.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
Sometimes I get ads which are like 10 minutes long or even longer... and when I skip the ads click the sound is still going on 
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On October 11 2013 10:37 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 10:05 ElizarTringov wrote:On October 11 2013 09:52 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On October 11 2013 09:41 ElizarTringov wrote:
I don't see why you would watch ads in the first place. It's not up to you to give money to the players or twitch.tv for that matter. It up to them to convince YOU that they are so valuable that they get you to take your wallet out and pay them. Not only that its up to them to FORCE you to take out your wallet and pay if you really want to watch them. Instead they try to tiptoe around that whole thing and put ads on the streams. Instead you go and watch stupid ads and then complain about it.
It would be FAR better for you to have adblock, for EVERYONE to have adblock, because then the marketing team of all those companies would realize its not working for them to use ads in videos and would take their ads off twitch.tv. The marketing team of companies would have to find a better way to market their products/services and twitch tv would have to find a better way to market their products so as to get clients paying. If people don't mind paying 3,4,5 bucks a late from Starbucks on an almost daily basis what would be the problem with them paying 5,10,20 bucks a month to watch their favorite streams? If they really don't see the value in it, then they would stop, if they did then they would GLADLY pay that price.
Hell people pay 60bucks to watch UFC, 60bucks to watch a top boxing card. What would people rather have? Have their time wasted watching ads, or pay money to see something they love watching? Use adblock! Business will have to find new and innovative ways to market their products/services. It's their job to get you to buy their products, not your job to help them brainwash you with ads. So what you're suggesting is that we pay actual money for something, instead of getting it for free and sacrificing a few seconds of our time every 5-30 minutes of content? You must either earn a lot of money, or not know how to spend it too well. I can understand installing adblock when a site is bugged or ad spams you, but you're suggesting that we install adblock specifically to force people to make us pay for their product. Not a good deal if you ask me. Except like people indicated it happens way too often. Plenty of people don't earn a lot of money but they still spend money on the things they love. Why shouldn't it be the case with this? I never said take sample content of youtube or anywhere else. How do you know it would drive them out of business? The commercials are already driving people off the videos, or they are making people use adblock, therefore the ads never reach the viewer anyways and twitch doesnt get paid! If people are so unwilling to pay for the content then it simply means they don't want it or appreciate it, so then the business DESERVES to be put under. I'm not arguing against using adblock when it happens too often or is bugged, like with Twitch sometimes. Allow me to break this argument down to its most basic level. Many places already give you the ability to pay hard cash to avoid ads. This gives the consumer something vital: choice. We can chose to donate our time, or our money. You want to take away that ability. You want to force content producers to remove that choice, to piss off millions of fans who prefer to spend time over money. That doesn't help anyone.
No I want them to make a different system. Get rid of ads all together, give away 90 or more % of the content away for free, but then charge a premium price for things that warrant a premium price, like tournaments where all the best players play. The tournaments can become free overtime, for example last years tournaments can be free. Same for players with channels - Give content away for free, without watching adds, but coaching costs money. Think about it, how often do you go and buy the product in the commercial? For me the answer is never! So what is the use in having ads? It's not helping the company who's trying to sell the product, it's not helping you, the viewer. You would rather pay with time than money? Is your time really that worthless? Instead of watching your favorite channel you would rather watch a shitty commercial? What advertisers think you will do after you watch a commercial - "I'm gonna buy this product!" what actually happens - Mute, and I'm gonna go do something else.
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Subscribing to streams doesn't remove ads, it just gives you a special icon and chat emoticons. Twitch Turbo is what you want to remove ads. You subscribe to that and ads are gone from ALL streams (and somehow the streamers still get money from it idk)
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