EPTOn August 23 2013 02:22 FFGenerations wrote:
i doubt a shitty walmart job pays 13/hour
i doubt a shitty walmart job pays 13/hour
Aldi pays about 16 dollars per hour to the people working the checkouts in Germany.
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
Aldi pays about 16 dollars per hour to the people working the checkouts in Germany. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
So here is my advice : take a week or two to play SC2/DotA2 or whichever game you want and slack like a slouch. Then spend the next week, asking around for advices, look for places that are hiring, think about your qualities and update your resume and your motivation letter. Then search away (grind like a lemmings) during a week or two and keep track of what you do, which company you ask etc etc. Then go back to the counselor and ask for support. These guys aren't here to make your life miserable, they are here to help you but sometimes you just have to put yourself in a position to be helped. PS : And please, get your fiance to work with you on this ! Being alone isn't cool  | ||
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BongChambers
Canada591 Posts
On August 23 2013 02:22 FFGenerations wrote: i doubt a shitty walmart job pays 13/hour Ya I was going to say I would love to work at a shifty Wal-Mart over there god forbid a non-shift one. I mean sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do right? Some people move to whole new areas for 'work' and money which is a sad reality of life how we live off this thing called currency. Maybe look into doing something online? Lots of people who have very little education and simply have a good idea and a little know how make a website and generate money through donations, ads and other services. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On August 23 2013 02:22 FFGenerations wrote: i doubt a shitty walmart job pays 13/hour Working part time as a cashier at a walmart like store in Oslo when i was studying i made 135 norwegian crowns an hour, that is 16,63 euros an hour. That is 133 euros a day, 125 since you don't get paid for lunch. People who do not work part time make more per hour. Norway has like the worlds second highest wages and the median salary is like 400k NOK a year = 49.300€ = 65.000$. On this you get like 38 - 40% taxes. This comes with everything being more expensive ofcourse. For instance the 30€ a day i would get if, and thats a decently sized if, i find an internship and if they are willing to pay for it, those 30€ would not even cover groceries for a day unless i really really tried cooking only super cheap stuff but i'd like for my daughter to eat some fresh vegetables and stuff so it's not really enough. We spend like 35 - 40€ on groceries a day on average. 1L of milk is around 1,5€, 400g of minced meat 6-7€. To compare someone working with the minimum wage would make maybe 90€ in a day. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On August 23 2013 00:23 HaRuHi wrote: This is very prevalent in germany aswell. We had the jews during nazi times, now we have the unemployed, that we portrait like scum in talkshows and newspapers, but guess what, most of the other unemployed are just normal individuals like you. But society needs a scapegoat, and we need precarous social security, so people are willing to work at shitty pays, so people can make more profit. Capitalism rules, rules you and me, and all of us. Maybe i missunderstand you now but, what i meant is that since i am a normal individual i recieve no help. If i had been like a drug addict or something they might actually help me out with something meaning that the system is not for 'normal' people. But it was written in a more fit of anger so shouldn't be taken as serious thoughts but i do think if i was more of an actual wellfare client so to say, i would recieve more help. | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On August 23 2013 03:07 unkkz wrote: Maybe i missunderstand you now but, what i meant is that since i am a normal individual i recieve no help. If i had been like a drug addict or something they might actually help me out with something meaning that the system is not for 'normal' people. But it was written in a more fit of anger so shouldn't be taken as serious thoughts but i do think if i was more of an actual wellfare client so to say, i would recieve more help. how long did you actually work in your previous job? In Germany, if you worked more than 12 months, you get unemployment money. | ||
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Vaporeon
Canada68 Posts
Also I used to get paid 19$ an hour at Wal Mart. You can make a decent wage in almost any industry, even 'minimum wage' ones. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
Her counselor told her she would be better off quitting her job all together, she has a job but still can't make everything come together (the situation without money is completely messed imo, but that is neither here nor there). Part of me wants to think there is a logic to how these places operate that I am just not savvy to, but in certain cases, yours included, I really can't see it. | ||
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Teodice
Sweden641 Posts
Take a few courses while being out of work. Study and activate yourself to keep yourself above water. In addition, a lot of student agencies offers job as academic work, student consulting and more. They all require that you study atleast 50%. Its a rather easy way to get a haf time job and work from there. Ofc, the chances that they have work for you differ a lot from different cities. If you live in a small town/city. Move from there to a major city. If you really want to work and earn money, then move if that's the problem. If you already live in a bigger city. Give out your CV to all places you see. Go in, present yourself and hope that they might call. It worked for my GF, sure she's a girl but hey might work for a guy as well. Anyway, got more tips but hard since I don't know where in Sweden you live and the amount of jobs really differ a lot. Wish you the best of luck mate! | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
Ehhhhh. I'm of two minds on this. On one hand, you can't really fault the system for doing what it is doing here. You and your fiance make enough money to get by, yes? Your finances are being met. You probably shouldn't qualify for benefits. You don't "need" it. You aren't starving, right? Your needs are met? On the other hand, it sucks. Finding work can be hard. I feel you on that. And an unemployment agency should be able to help you find employment, even if the job sucks. Honestly, making 120 a day at Walmart is what...20k a year after taxes? I don't know the exact tax bracket you'd fall into in your country. But that's a good chunk of change that can certainly help, right? You're out of work for 6 months. You need to get a job, any job, and just keep looking. Just have to man up and take what you can, even if it sucks. You have a marketable degree, you'll find something. Get a crappy job (shit that pay is still crazy high compared to the US), and keep searching. So what if you have to put up with it for a few months or a year? You'll get out, so fuck it and go for it. As for the expenses of food, that's insane. Is there any way to get cheaper goods? Buy wholesale and freeze? Local markets? Discount food stores? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2649 Posts
They will NOT help you get a job in any way imagineble but they will waste your time if you go there. So don't. Unless you are in some extra special category like ex-addict or newly arrived immigrant but then the help will still be minimal. If you want any kind of economic aid you must first on paper sever all your ties to close family and then make sure to have nothing at all in your savings account and that you don't own a car or a house. It's perfectly accectable to sign over your car or house to your spouse tho and claim that you rent it, it will be fine. I've been fortunate enough to chose a career path when where I'm never out of work but my gf is moving across the country for 3+ month long jobs trying to get into her career. She refuses to touch the unemployment office since they sent her to the same "counseling company" 3 times in a row just wasting her time. She did the exact same thing twice and they tried sending her to it again. Then she told them to fuck off since they would do nothing. We were living two persons on one persons student loan at the time btw so we had perhaps 10 $ at the end of the month after paying for pasta and the bills. That program has since been disbanded because it paid millions to private companies and provided about 0 jobs... Also when she finally got a part time job cleaning peoples homes (she has a masters in natural sciences) her advisor was really happy and wrote her off since she had succesfully helped her to get a job. So FUCK THEM. It's funny because my dad actually used to work at the unemployment office (he died a long time ago) back before they changed and he had so many contacts with different companies setting up interviews with matching candidates all the time. Then it apparantly all turned to shit somehow. | ||
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DunDon
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
This is the place to return to one of the grand exploits of economic apologetics. It will be remembered that if through the introduction of new, or the extension of old, machinery, a portion of variable capital is transformed into constant, the economic apologist interprets this operation which “fixes” capital and by that very act sets labourers “free,” in exactly the opposite way, pretending that it sets free capital for the labourers. Only now can one fully understand the effrontery of these apologists. What are set free are not only the labourers immediately turned out by the machines, but also their future substitutes in the rising generation, and the additional contingent, that with the usual extension of trade on the old basis would be regularly absorbed. They are now all “set free,” and every new bit of capital looking out for employment can dispose of them. Whether it attracts them or others, the effect on the general labour demand will be nil, if this capital is just sufficient to take out of the market as many labourers as the machines threw upon it. If it employs a smaller number, that of the supernumeraries increases; if it employs a greater, the general demand for labour only increases to the extent of the excess of the employed over those “set free.” The impulse that additional capital, seeking an outlet, would otherwise have given to the general demand for labour, is therefore in every case neutralised to the extent of the labourers thrown out of employment by the machine. That is to say, the mechanism of capitalistic production so manages matters that the absolute increase of capital is accompanied by no corresponding rise in the general demand for labour. And this the apologist calls a compensation for the misery, the sufferings, the possible death of the displaced labourers during the transition period that banishes them into the industrial reserve army! The demand for labour is not identical with increase of capital, nor supply of labour with increase of the working class. It is not a case of two independent forces working on one another. Les dés sont pipés. edit: variable capital = you. constant capital = machine. the composition of capital = their ratio. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On August 23 2013 03:00 unkkz wrote: Working part time as a cashier at a walmart like store in Oslo when i was studying i made 135 norwegian crowns an hour, that is 16,63 euros an hour. That is 133 euros a day, 125 since you don't get paid for lunch. People who do not work part time make more per hour. Norway has like the worlds second highest wages and the median salary is like 400k NOK a year = 49.300€ = 65.000$. On this you get like 38 - 40% taxes. This comes with everything being more expensive ofcourse. For instance the 30€ a day i would get if, and thats a decently sized if, i find an internship and if they are willing to pay for it, those 30€ would not even cover groceries for a day unless i really really tried cooking only super cheap stuff but i'd like for my daughter to eat some fresh vegetables and stuff so it's not really enough. We spend like 35 - 40€ on groceries a day on average. 1L of milk is around 1,5€, 400g of minced meat 6-7€. To compare someone working with the minimum wage would make maybe 90€ in a day. Sorry, you spend 40 euros a DAY on food? For you and your daughter? And fiance, or no? That's batshit insane. Like, insane. is that eating out? Or groceries, like from a store, than you make your own food? You're talking...oh, 1600 USD a month in food. That's fucking unreal. That's more than twice my monthly rent. I can't believe food in Sweden is THAT expensive. It sounds like you might benefit from some serious frugality approaches to food. Reddit's eat cheaply and frugally subreddit is great for that sort of thing. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 23 2013 06:06 Elegy wrote: Sorry, you spend 40 euros a DAY on food? For you and your daughter? And fiance, or no? That's batshit insane. Like, insane. is that eating out? Or groceries, like from a store, than you make your own food? You're talking...oh, 1600 USD a month in food. That's fucking unreal. That's more than twice my monthly rent. I can't believe food in Sweden is THAT expensive. It sounds like you might benefit from some serious frugality approaches to food. Reddit's eat cheaply and frugally subreddit is great for that sort of thing. Everything in Sweden and Norway is ridiculously expensive. A friend of mine lived in Oslo for a while and she said that a takeout pizza is the equivalent of $40-45, and it's not that outlandish to them. They make a shitload of money themselves. If you could work in Norway and live in the US, you'd be golden. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On August 23 2013 06:06 Elegy wrote: Sorry, you spend 40 euros a DAY on food? For you and your daughter? And fiance, or no? That's batshit insane. Like, insane. is that eating out? Or groceries, like from a store, than you make your own food? You're talking...oh, 1600 USD a month in food. That's fucking unreal. That's more than twice my monthly rent. I can't believe food in Sweden is THAT expensive. It sounds like you might benefit from some serious frugality approaches to food. Reddit's eat cheaply and frugally subreddit is great for that sort of thing. That's for all of us and includes you know, soap, washing powder - everything to live. And i live in Norway, been meaning to update my profile for a fear years but, swede living in Norway. And that's the weird part, unemployment is stupidly low in Norway. When i lived in Oslo i got my previous jobs within 1-2 weeks of searching. Here(Trondheim) i have been to two interviews in over six months - and that's with a degree. I have applied for just about anything except for cleaning toilets pretty much as well so i feel i am at least not reaching too high. And if you think the food prices are high you should hear the gas prices  1,2 - 1,3€ a liter pretty much. So a full on our car is in the 45€ area. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On August 23 2013 03:17 Rimstalker wrote: how long did you actually work in your previous job? In Germany, if you worked more than 12 months, you get unemployment money. It was part-time while i was studying, but first job i worked for two years and then i swapped to another and worked there for 12 months. Getting the first line of unemployment money in Norway is based on how much you earned in a year, you have to earn X amount to qualify for it and i didn't earn that much as i mostly worked weekends and nights when i could. I made enough to get into a higher tax bracket then the "student limit" but not enough for unemployment money. Then there is the second line, which is pretty much wellfare, which we do not qualify for since we are counted as one entity. Funily enough when it comes to taxes we count as a separate entity but when it comes to benefits we count as one. So we get screwed over double time since we aren't married. If we are married we get a small tax break and are counted as a single entity in the tax declaration for tax breaks. We are however just talking about walking down to city hall and getting married just for the tax break, which would suck since she wants a decent wedding but we simply cannot afford one. I guess this is what sucks the most. Not that i suffer and become depressed as hell about being unemployed, but all the shit she gets because of it. I feel so bad about it. We can't move to something bigger, we can't get the wedding she wants, we can't really buy anything to treat ourselves and i can't treat her the way she deserves. Breaks my heart. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On August 23 2013 05:05 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: The unemployment office in Sweden as you just realised is a fucking joke and it's ONLY function is to keep track of if you can get a-kassa and/or if you are "applying" (this means nothing you can send your CV in 10 times a week to phD level positons and it counts) for jobs if you are on state benefits. They will NOT help you get a job in any way imagineble but they will waste your time if you go there. So don't. Unless you are in some extra special category like ex-addict or newly arrived immigrant but then the help will still be minimal. If you want any kind of economic aid you must first on paper sever all your ties to close family and then make sure to have nothing at all in your savings account and that you don't own a car or a house. It's perfectly accectable to sign over your car or house to your spouse tho and claim that you rent it, it will be fine. I've been fortunate enough to chose a career path when where I'm never out of work but my gf is moving across the country for 3+ month long jobs trying to get into her career. She refuses to touch the unemployment office since they sent her to the same "counseling company" 3 times in a row just wasting her time. She did the exact same thing twice and they tried sending her to it again. Then she told them to fuck off since they would do nothing. We were living two persons on one persons student loan at the time btw so we had perhaps 10 $ at the end of the month after paying for pasta and the bills. That program has since been disbanded because it paid millions to private companies and provided about 0 jobs... Also when she finally got a part time job cleaning peoples homes (she has a masters in natural sciences) her advisor was really happy and wrote her off since she had succesfully helped her to get a job. So FUCK THEM. It's funny because my dad actually used to work at the unemployment office (he died a long time ago) back before they changed and he had so many contacts with different companies setting up interviews with matching candidates all the time. Then it apparantly all turned to shit somehow. My dad had a pretty similar story as your GF. His real-estate business went under during the crash, he sold restaurants and people ate out way less coupled with a crack down on tax evasion and income evasion which according to him, was how they actually made the restaurants break a profit. So profits took a nosedive, many many restaurants went under and there were nobody to invest in the market again since it wasn´t as lucrative and simply too risky. They tried to send him around to various crap like you say, but he put his foot down pretty early and chewed their ears of and they simply backed off. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On August 23 2013 07:24 Soap wrote: This is how you find a job: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=425972 If you mean: be really good at what you do, have 15+ years worth of experience with a sick project resume(including an academy award project) and the connections that come with it - then why yes that would be awesome Sadly i am not quite there yet. | ||
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