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On June 20 2013 05:53 monk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 05:47 ATiBright wrote:
Pretty certain Thorzain invented the tower Mk Gryphons strategy vs Orc, the first time we saw it was in WC3L where he defeated Who, Lyn, and Focus with it.
Also remind won a total of 4 battle.net ladder seasons, and had more zotac cup victories by a mile then any other player in wc3 history, his accomplishment list should be much longer, and almost anyone involved in Warcraft 3 would place him around 5th. None of the statements in your post are true. The accomplishments only include world championships and not minor $100 Zotac cups, other minor tournaments, or team leagues. Otherwise, every player's accomplishments would be a mile long.
http://classic.battle.net/war3/tournaments/asia1v1.shtml
He won 1, 2, 4, and 8
Sorry but your wrong, at least when it comes to remind and me mentioning his 4 ladder season victories, which were very very big tournaments.
He defeated 4k.Fury in season 2, and Season 1 he defeated Sweet in the Asia finals, can't remember who he beat in the grand final, but I know he won it.
Don't use wikipedia to try and prove someone wrong who worked with Remind on a daily basis for almost 2 years. That page is missing several notable tournaments.
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On June 20 2013 10:58 Littlesheep wrote:
Anyone else disappointed when they see a player was into WC3 instead of BW? I feel like that game took so much less skill that I respect the players less when I find out that's where they came from, naniwa and lucifron included.
Sort of like if you find out your favourite cs:go player started in CS:S instead of CS1.6
I never followed WC3 but I did follow BW, maybe its just me.
Most of those guys were really young when they started playing, and thus chose the game that was more popular and had a better scene. Plus why would they waste their time playing a game that had almost no foreign scene and very little prize money?
Also by your logic, you should be really disappointed by Flash/Jaedong playing SC2 and they should have continued playing BW since it was much harder, amirite?
Aside from the concept of building an army, SC2 and WC3 had very few (if any) similarities in the way they were played, so its like comparing apples and oranges in terms of the skills required.
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Aw, thank you so much for doing this.
WC3 will always be my one true love. Played the shit out of that single player when I was a kid and coninue to love the game still. It's sad that the pro scene didn't have the longevity of Brood War.
I still love watching WC3 vods from time to time. (and there are a few YouTubers out there, like Crota, that pump them out constantly) because I love the artstyle and I love the game!
Fuck! <3 WC3 forever. Always waiting for a WC4.
Thanks again for this writeup, monk. Very nice, very interesting.
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On June 20 2013 08:54 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 07:27 nGBeast wrote:On June 20 2013 04:31 Awesomeness wrote:Sonkie played some sc2 in the beta, he even has a liquipedia page: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SonkieHe was pretty good in wc3, should be the best rated US player here at least. Well LongWalk is the best US player ever, he consistently did better then any other US player, sadly he grew out of video games. He post on WCReplays from time to time still. In terms of pure achievements, you have to put ShortRound above LongWalk  Even Wizard was a better player IMO. Of course its hard to compare since they played in different time periods, but I would rate a 2nd place and 4th place in WCG grand finals over most other achievements. http://www.sk-gaming.com/player/1182-ShortroundDon't think any American player can match that.
In terms of raw skill, I think Aether was the most talented player all-round in NA, but he disappeared for school and never came back.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=18504
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Awesome list. Loved following the little scene that we had the last few years of WC3.
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On June 20 2013 10:58 Littlesheep wrote:
Anyone else disappointed when they see a player was into WC3 instead of BW? I feel like that game took so much less skill that I respect the players less when I find out that's where they came from, naniwa and lucifron included.
Sort of like if you find out your favourite cs:go player started in CS:S instead of CS1.6
I never followed WC3 but I did follow BW, maybe its just me.
it makes me angry just reading that post. the games are completely different, and so are the skillsets. sure, you don't have to spend 100 apm macroing in war3, but the micro is much harder and decision making is completely different (and there are much more options than in sc2 imo).
and by your own logic, shouldn't you respect someone *more* when they came from an "easier" game and manage to do really well in the "harder" one?
either way, the main point is gonna be that when there's a lot of competition, striving in it is going to be hard regardless of the actual game.
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On June 20 2013 12:18 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:54 Piledriver wrote:On June 20 2013 07:27 nGBeast wrote:On June 20 2013 04:31 Awesomeness wrote:Sonkie played some sc2 in the beta, he even has a liquipedia page: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SonkieHe was pretty good in wc3, should be the best rated US player here at least. Well LongWalk is the best US player ever, he consistently did better then any other US player, sadly he grew out of video games. He post on WCReplays from time to time still. In terms of pure achievements, you have to put ShortRound above LongWalk Even Wizard was a better player IMO. Of course its hard to compare since they played in different time periods, but I would rate a 2nd place and 4th place in WCG grand finals over most other achievements. http://www.sk-gaming.com/player/1182-ShortroundDon't think any American player can match that. In terms of raw skill, I think Aether was the most talented player all-round in NA, but he disappeared for school and never came back. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=18504
fuck yeah, Aether
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Wow this is really cool. Thanks for writing this monk.
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On June 20 2013 09:35 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 07:00 Grovbolle wrote:On June 20 2013 06:22 ShivaN wrote:So many big UD names missing on this list! TeD, FoV, Sweet, Space?? Well... UD did always get the shaft in that game..  ONLY PLAYERS WHO PLAY/PLAYED SC2 Jesus people, reading is a useful skill toi have. I don't understand why monk would arbitrarily pick out only the players that dabbled in SC2 for a WC3 power rank, given that half of them have already retired from SC2 or play in total obscurity. By that logic one could also add TeD and FoV for most likely having played some SC2 ladder games at some point in their life. I think monk was just anxious to write more power ranks, it must be addictive.
This blog is a spin off from this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417764
That's why.
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On June 20 2013 10:58 Littlesheep wrote:
Anyone else disappointed when they see a player was into WC3 instead of BW? I feel like that game took so much less skill that I respect the players less when I find out that's where they came from, naniwa and lucifron included.
Sort of like if you find out your favourite cs:go player started in CS:S instead of CS1.6
I never followed WC3 but I did follow BW, maybe its just me.
Not really, actually one would say it is a bigger acomplishment since you then face a steeper ladder to climb because your skill was lower. Not saying BW>War3 in terms of difficulty, I don't want to open that discussion.
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XlorD Achievements:
3rd ASUS European Nations War 2006
3rd ASUS European Nations War 2007
1st ASUS European Nations War 2008
1st ESL Pro Series Season 12 (2008)
1st ESL Pro Series Season 13 (2008)
1st ESL Pro Series Season 14 (2008)
2nd ESL Pro Series Season 16 (2009)
In 2008 XlorD was one of the strongest europeans.
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On June 20 2013 12:18 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:54 Piledriver wrote:On June 20 2013 07:27 nGBeast wrote:On June 20 2013 04:31 Awesomeness wrote:Sonkie played some sc2 in the beta, he even has a liquipedia page: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SonkieHe was pretty good in wc3, should be the best rated US player here at least. Well LongWalk is the best US player ever, he consistently did better then any other US player, sadly he grew out of video games. He post on WCReplays from time to time still. In terms of pure achievements, you have to put ShortRound above LongWalk Even Wizard was a better player IMO. Of course its hard to compare since they played in different time periods, but I would rate a 2nd place and 4th place in WCG grand finals over most other achievements. http://www.sk-gaming.com/player/1182-ShortroundDon't think any American player can match that. In terms of raw skill, I think Aether was the most talented player all-round in NA, but he disappeared for school and never came back. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=18504
Aether wasn't match for Shortround. Also, I think Wizard did better then him also.
But guy I always admired from USA wc3 scene was KingHazeem, but he played so short on start of wc3 and never saw him after :/
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On June 20 2013 10:58 Littlesheep wrote:
Anyone else disappointed when they see a player was into WC3 instead of BW? I feel like that game took so much less skill that I respect the players less when I find out that's where they came from, naniwa and lucifron included.
Sort of like if you find out your favourite cs:go player started in CS:S instead of CS1.6
I never followed WC3 but I did follow BW, maybe its just me.
this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this website.
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On June 20 2013 10:58 Littlesheep wrote:
Anyone else disappointed when they see a player was into WC3 instead of BW? I feel like that game took so much less skill that I respect the players less when I find out that's where they came from, naniwa and lucifron included.
Sort of like if you find out your favourite cs:go player started in CS:S instead of CS1.6
I never followed WC3 but I did follow BW, maybe its just me.
still in Wc3 there were very few upsets, the better player won much more often then in Sc2 (i dont know much about BW).
i dont understand why so many Sc2ers feel so elite cause the game needs 150 apm for building depots,mules,units, structures alone
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I'd put rotterdam a bit higher on that list. For a while he was hyped as being the next grubby. Never reached that obviously, but did have more achievements than most of the other honourable mentions and some of the low end.
Also Axslav was probably the best NA player as well as his 2v2 fame. Though that counts about as much as it does in SC2. Known for using bizarre strategies like mass hyppo riders.
On June 20 2013 20:02 3point14 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 10:58 Littlesheep wrote:
Anyone else disappointed when they see a player was into WC3 instead of BW? I feel like that game took so much less skill that I respect the players less when I find out that's where they came from, naniwa and lucifron included.
Sort of like if you find out your favourite cs:go player started in CS:S instead of CS1.6
I never followed WC3 but I did follow BW, maybe its just me.
still in Wc3 there were very few upsets, the better player won much more often then in Sc2 (i dont know much about BW). i dont understand why so many Sc2ers feel so elite cause the game needs 150 apm for building depots,mules,units, structures alone
Nah, going f4 click m click m click m click m click m click m click m click m 1a2a3a4a is obviously much harder than 6ddc then a few move commands for that huntress block to let a dh snipe a unit, because more actions!
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Guys, you totally missed the greatest LucifroN achievements :S
- 1st ESWC Masters of Cheonan 2009 (Cheonan, South Korea)
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/23795-ESWC_Lucifron_wins_Cheonan_Lyn_second
LucifroN was the champion beating Lyn, Fly100% (2 orc mirrors, for those who say that he was a "race abuser"), TH000, Sky and XlorD.
- 1st European Blizzard Regional finals 2009 (Cologne, Germany)
http://www.globalmmo.com/mmorpg/game/world-of-warcraft-wow/area/europe/resource/news/entry/6370/tag/accounts/p/
In this tournament LucifroN manage to beat the best European players, including Grubby in both the winner bracket final (2-0) and the overall final (1-2, 2-1).
- 3rd European Blizzard Regional finals 2008 (Madrid, Spain)
- 5/8th WCG 2008 (Cologne, Germany)
I think that 9th place for him is totally undeserved, he was a top tier WC3 player in the last years and he could beat (and he did, in fact) every player in the world.
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On June 20 2013 12:18 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:54 Piledriver wrote:On June 20 2013 07:27 nGBeast wrote:On June 20 2013 04:31 Awesomeness wrote:Sonkie played some sc2 in the beta, he even has a liquipedia page: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SonkieHe was pretty good in wc3, should be the best rated US player here at least. Well LongWalk is the best US player ever, he consistently did better then any other US player, sadly he grew out of video games. He post on WCReplays from time to time still. In terms of pure achievements, you have to put ShortRound above LongWalk Even Wizard was a better player IMO. Of course its hard to compare since they played in different time periods, but I would rate a 2nd place and 4th place in WCG grand finals over most other achievements. http://www.sk-gaming.com/player/1182-ShortroundDon't think any American player can match that. In terms of raw skill, I think Aether was the most talented player all-round in NA, but he disappeared for school and never came back. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=18504
Aether/Apex 2v2 team was retarded. I always got the feeling that neither of them really cared about competing, and were just really good anyway.
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On June 20 2013 19:15 Musicus wrote:
XlorD Achievements:
3rd ASUS European Nations War 2006
3rd ASUS European Nations War 2007
1st ASUS European Nations War 2008
1st ESL Pro Series Season 12 (2008)
1st ESL Pro Series Season 13 (2008)
1st ESL Pro Series Season 14 (2008)
2nd ESL Pro Series Season 16 (2009)
In 2008 XlorD was one of the strongest europeans.
He was talented, but those achievments aren't really that impressive. Just a teamleague and a german-only league? Another talented german undead was Protois, I remember him being very hyped up, but never really achieving anything sadly.
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On June 20 2013 10:58 Littlesheep wrote:
Anyone else disappointed when they see a player was into WC3 instead of BW? I feel like that game took so much less skill that I respect the players less when I find out that's where they came from, naniwa and lucifron included.
Sort of like if you find out your favourite cs:go player started in CS:S instead of CS1.6
I never followed WC3 but I did follow BW, maybe its just me.
I have a lot more respect to the wc3 guys then scbw.
To your first question: I am very happy that I dont have seen IdrA or Ret in wc3. The only one is White-ra.
I really like IdrA and Ret in sc2.
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