• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:33
CEST 01:33
KST 08:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy16ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea How Can I Add Timer & APM Count? A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group F [ASL21] Ro24 Group E Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9736 users

WC3 Power Ranks! - Page 2

Blogs > monk
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please read the intro before you comment. =(
Stye
Profile Joined September 2012
Poland40 Posts
June 19 2013 11:15 GMT
#21
I think 4k.Fury deserves to be on that list too.

Also I wonder if my idol Philbot (crypt fiend only against all races) would qualify to a power rank ^^
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
June 19 2013 11:19 GMT
#22
On June 19 2013 20:13 monk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 18:08 theonlyking wrote:
great effort!
But it's pretty far off from an in-depth analysis, you are missing quite a lot of players that were siginificant figures in WarCraft 3 history. For example FoV, who was considered the best undead in the world for a long period of time. His ghoul micro was unmatched and he also won ESWC.
Esportsearnings provides somewhat of an overview:
http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/8/warcraft_iii

Only sc2 players or sc2 related players

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 19:54 fleeze wrote:
nice a WC3 power rank.
but unfortunately not really objective at that.

Grubby (even tied at 1) > Lyn and ToD top 5? as much as i like ToD and Grubby, but this is just not true. Grubby < Fly100% and Lyn. especially Fly100% (and Xiaot too) has a really good record against Grubby (and Moon) in the big Tournaments.
Xiaot and Fly100% is even missing in the list at all.
also, worst mistake ever with a WC3 list: where are the UDs? especially where is Sweet and Fov? Madfrog is listed yet the most influental and best playing UDs are missing? also there are WAY worse UDs listed and those two missing, but having an Xlord on the list makes it pretty much invalid.
"newer" players like TH000 are also missing.

edit: just read the first part about only listing sc2 players. don't agree with this. and why is remind listed then? he clearly said he will never switch. or creolophus...

Most people you ask would rank moon/sky/grubby 1/2/3 in some order. Remind tried to qualify for GSL one time and there was a big deal about it. Creolophus coached a SC2 team. Yes, it's not objective because power ranks can never be objective.

most people rank grubby behind sky and moon. you even ranked him behind lyn yourself (who was the "better" orc for a longer period):
From 2007 onward, he was consistently one of the top players and probably better than Grubby overall except for a few short periods. He had exceptional micro and contributed the addition of spirit walkers to Orc vs Undead.


i'm nitpicking here, btw
happy you went through the effort to create a power rank at all.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
June 19 2013 11:40 GMT
#23
cool list

fun to read even thou i don't know nothing about wc3
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 19 2013 11:56 GMT
#24
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
June 19 2013 12:02 GMT
#25
On June 19 2013 20:56 Dingodile wrote:
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?


from the OP

This power rank only includes players who dabbled in SC2 and mostly serves to give an idea of how good the top players today were in WC3. The most notable players who never tried to switch include: Fly, TH000, Ted, Lucifer, Fov, Sweet, Reign, GoStop, SoJu, Zacard, Insomnia, Deadman, and HoT.


But then we have to remove Creo I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 19 2013 12:22 GMT
#26
On June 19 2013 20:56 Dingodile wrote:
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?

Deadman was better in 2005 imo and had a higher peak than HoT. HoT was perhaps better in 2006 and 2008.

But then we have to remove Creo I think.

Also, Creo coached!
Moderator
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 12:39:42
June 19 2013 12:35 GMT
#27
take was actually quite decent in the german scene (but that was very early on). its so funny to see him as a kid back then :D

wcg 2008 grubby vs moon final screamcasted by khaldor and someone else who almost equals khaldor in shouting is still my favourite esports moment. it was also my very first one.


i want wc3 back

also no yAws?

also th000 favourite human
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
June 19 2013 12:39 GMT
#28
Pretty cool.
Moonglade's liquipedia page ((Wiki)mOOnGLaDe) seems to give him a lot more credit than this write up, but as I am largely clueless about WC3 I don't know which to believe haha.
Also was this whO guy any good?
Thanks for the writeup!
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
icyF
Profile Joined June 2008
Finland305 Posts
June 19 2013 13:03 GMT
#29
This takes me way back... Nice to reminisce old times
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
June 19 2013 13:19 GMT
#30
Are you guys even reading, the list is only players who dabbled in SC2!

I kinda miss Sweet, he was so damn good. He would off-race NE and would still own people easily.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 19 2013 13:41 GMT
#31
On June 19 2013 21:39 DavoS wrote:
Pretty cool.
Moonglade's liquipedia page ((Wiki)mOOnGLaDe) seems to give him a lot more credit than this write up, but as I am largely clueless about WC3 I don't know which to believe haha.
Also was this whO guy any good?
Thanks for the writeup!


WhO?

yep, he was very good at the later stages of wc3. before 2008, he was very decent, but not considered one of the top orcs.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 14:38:01
June 19 2013 14:37 GMT
#32
On June 19 2013 21:02 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 20:56 Dingodile wrote:
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?


from the OP

Show nested quote +
This power rank only includes players who dabbled in SC2 and mostly serves to give an idea of how good the top players today were in WC3. The most notable players who never tried to switch include: Fly, TH000, Ted, Lucifer, Fov, Sweet, Reign, GoStop, SoJu, Zacard, Insomnia, Deadman, and HoT.


But then we have to remove Creo I think.

Insomnia played (or was supposed to play) in some of the early ESL-run beta tournaments. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESL_StarCraft_II_Beta_Invitational
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESL_SC2_Beta_Launch_Cup
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESL_TV_Pro_Invite_Cup

I don't know if that counts as "attempting to switch" though.

As for Moonglade, I don't remember him being a real impact player in WC3.
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
foen
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands111 Posts
June 19 2013 15:09 GMT
#33
If old players with little results, but still a lot of influence qualify, TillerMaN definately deserves a mention. Good old WC3 times
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
June 19 2013 15:10 GMT
#34
I really only know tod for the blood castle
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 19 2013 15:19 GMT
#35
how big of a copout is a power rank with a three way tie for first
Administrator
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10110 Posts
June 19 2013 15:20 GMT
#36
so many memories, thx! great read

Kenshin.WeRRa was really good, Insomnia was a beats also i was a fan of Showtime.WeRRa cause i think he was the first player to get lvl 50 in ladder (RoC iirc). RoC ladder was hard as hell. Fury needed a mention too i cant remember more
i miss wc3

p.s. imba BM
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
June 19 2013 15:35 GMT
#37
I think Madfrog is overrated. He had like a 6 month span where he was amazing, but other than that he was mediocre at best. I think quitting early helped him to save that "legendary status", I always thought he was given more credit than he deserved because of that tbh.
xlord 5:0
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 15:42:26
June 19 2013 15:37 GMT
#38
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_III_World_Championships

Relevant.

My favorite WC3 player was always Sk.FaTC. He didn't have the achievments of Insomnia and HeMan, but he was definitely on their level, if not better. Was known as "Mr. 2-0" for his results in WC3L. Beat FoV in ESWC 2004, and beat Freedom in some later WCG (or ESWC?), but rarely got past RO16. He was better than ToD until the end of his career, and also beat Grubby lots of times. Dominated in the weekly cups (wc3m and incup) when he participated in them.
ZMTYOU
Profile Joined May 2013
88 Posts
June 19 2013 15:48 GMT
#39
its funny that lucifron was a patchzerg in wc3 and a patchzerg-killer in sc2
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
June 19 2013 15:53 GMT
#40
On June 20 2013 00:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
how big of a copout is a power rank with a three way tie for first


a little worse than one with a tie for 3/4
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:00
Best Games of SC
Reynor vs Zoun
SHIN vs ByuN
herO vs sOs
Maru vs SHIN
Clem vs Bunny
PiGStarcraft633
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft633
SpeCial 122
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 168
Backho 80
910 42
Dota 2
monkeys_forever477
Other Games
summit1g6166
tarik_tv4307
shahzam498
C9.Mang0232
Fuzer 141
ProTech124
Mew2King68
PPMD16
Liquid`Ken11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick598
BasetradeTV55
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 110
• Hupsaiya 76
• RyuSc2 39
• davetesta1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 36
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1107
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
10h 27m
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
19h 27m
RSL Revival
1d 7h
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 14h
BSL
1d 19h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.