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WC3 Power Ranks! - Page 2

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Stye
Profile Joined September 2012
Poland40 Posts
June 19 2013 11:15 GMT
#21
I think 4k.Fury deserves to be on that list too.

Also I wonder if my idol Philbot (crypt fiend only against all races) would qualify to a power rank ^^
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
June 19 2013 11:19 GMT
#22
On June 19 2013 20:13 monk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 18:08 theonlyking wrote:
great effort!
But it's pretty far off from an in-depth analysis, you are missing quite a lot of players that were siginificant figures in WarCraft 3 history. For example FoV, who was considered the best undead in the world for a long period of time. His ghoul micro was unmatched and he also won ESWC.
Esportsearnings provides somewhat of an overview:
http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/8/warcraft_iii

Only sc2 players or sc2 related players

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On June 19 2013 19:54 fleeze wrote:
nice a WC3 power rank.
but unfortunately not really objective at that.

Grubby (even tied at 1) > Lyn and ToD top 5? as much as i like ToD and Grubby, but this is just not true. Grubby < Fly100% and Lyn. especially Fly100% (and Xiaot too) has a really good record against Grubby (and Moon) in the big Tournaments.
Xiaot and Fly100% is even missing in the list at all.
also, worst mistake ever with a WC3 list: where are the UDs? especially where is Sweet and Fov? Madfrog is listed yet the most influental and best playing UDs are missing? also there are WAY worse UDs listed and those two missing, but having an Xlord on the list makes it pretty much invalid.
"newer" players like TH000 are also missing.

edit: just read the first part about only listing sc2 players. don't agree with this. and why is remind listed then? he clearly said he will never switch. or creolophus...

Most people you ask would rank moon/sky/grubby 1/2/3 in some order. Remind tried to qualify for GSL one time and there was a big deal about it. Creolophus coached a SC2 team. Yes, it's not objective because power ranks can never be objective.

most people rank grubby behind sky and moon. you even ranked him behind lyn yourself (who was the "better" orc for a longer period):
From 2007 onward, he was consistently one of the top players and probably better than Grubby overall except for a few short periods. He had exceptional micro and contributed the addition of spirit walkers to Orc vs Undead.


i'm nitpicking here, btw
happy you went through the effort to create a power rank at all.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
June 19 2013 11:40 GMT
#23
cool list

fun to read even thou i don't know nothing about wc3
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 19 2013 11:56 GMT
#24
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
June 19 2013 12:02 GMT
#25
On June 19 2013 20:56 Dingodile wrote:
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?


from the OP

This power rank only includes players who dabbled in SC2 and mostly serves to give an idea of how good the top players today were in WC3. The most notable players who never tried to switch include: Fly, TH000, Ted, Lucifer, Fov, Sweet, Reign, GoStop, SoJu, Zacard, Insomnia, Deadman, and HoT.


But then we have to remove Creo I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
June 19 2013 12:22 GMT
#26
On June 19 2013 20:56 Dingodile wrote:
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?

Deadman was better in 2005 imo and had a higher peak than HoT. HoT was perhaps better in 2006 and 2008.

But then we have to remove Creo I think.

Also, Creo coached!
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 12:39:42
June 19 2013 12:35 GMT
#27
take was actually quite decent in the german scene (but that was very early on). its so funny to see him as a kid back then :D

wcg 2008 grubby vs moon final screamcasted by khaldor and someone else who almost equals khaldor in shouting is still my favourite esports moment. it was also my very first one.


i want wc3 back

also no yAws?

also th000 favourite human
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
June 19 2013 12:39 GMT
#28
Pretty cool.
Moonglade's liquipedia page ((Wiki)mOOnGLaDe) seems to give him a lot more credit than this write up, but as I am largely clueless about WC3 I don't know which to believe haha.
Also was this whO guy any good?
Thanks for the writeup!
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icyF
Profile Joined June 2008
Finland305 Posts
June 19 2013 13:03 GMT
#29
This takes me way back... Nice to reminisce old times
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
June 19 2013 13:19 GMT
#30
Are you guys even reading, the list is only players who dabbled in SC2!

I kinda miss Sweet, he was so damn good. He would off-race NE and would still own people easily.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 19 2013 13:41 GMT
#31
On June 19 2013 21:39 DavoS wrote:
Pretty cool.
Moonglade's liquipedia page ((Wiki)mOOnGLaDe) seems to give him a lot more credit than this write up, but as I am largely clueless about WC3 I don't know which to believe haha.
Also was this whO guy any good?
Thanks for the writeup!


WhO?

yep, he was very good at the later stages of wc3. before 2008, he was very decent, but not considered one of the top orcs.
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 14:38:01
June 19 2013 14:37 GMT
#32
On June 19 2013 21:02 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 20:56 Dingodile wrote:
what about the best yearly foreign Nightelf player HoT (except 2007 Creoplophus)?


from the OP

Show nested quote +
This power rank only includes players who dabbled in SC2 and mostly serves to give an idea of how good the top players today were in WC3. The most notable players who never tried to switch include: Fly, TH000, Ted, Lucifer, Fov, Sweet, Reign, GoStop, SoJu, Zacard, Insomnia, Deadman, and HoT.


But then we have to remove Creo I think.

Insomnia played (or was supposed to play) in some of the early ESL-run beta tournaments. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESL_StarCraft_II_Beta_Invitational
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESL_SC2_Beta_Launch_Cup
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESL_TV_Pro_Invite_Cup

I don't know if that counts as "attempting to switch" though.

As for Moonglade, I don't remember him being a real impact player in WC3.
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foen
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands111 Posts
June 19 2013 15:09 GMT
#33
If old players with little results, but still a lot of influence qualify, TillerMaN definately deserves a mention. Good old WC3 times
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33713 Posts
June 19 2013 15:10 GMT
#34
I really only know tod for the blood castle
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 19 2013 15:19 GMT
#35
how big of a copout is a power rank with a three way tie for first
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10129 Posts
June 19 2013 15:20 GMT
#36
so many memories, thx! great read

Kenshin.WeRRa was really good, Insomnia was a beats also i was a fan of Showtime.WeRRa cause i think he was the first player to get lvl 50 in ladder (RoC iirc). RoC ladder was hard as hell. Fury needed a mention too i cant remember more
i miss wc3

p.s. imba BM
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
June 19 2013 15:35 GMT
#37
I think Madfrog is overrated. He had like a 6 month span where he was amazing, but other than that he was mediocre at best. I think quitting early helped him to save that "legendary status", I always thought he was given more credit than he deserved because of that tbh.
xlord 5:0
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 15:42:26
June 19 2013 15:37 GMT
#38
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_III_World_Championships

Relevant.

My favorite WC3 player was always Sk.FaTC. He didn't have the achievments of Insomnia and HeMan, but he was definitely on their level, if not better. Was known as "Mr. 2-0" for his results in WC3L. Beat FoV in ESWC 2004, and beat Freedom in some later WCG (or ESWC?), but rarely got past RO16. He was better than ToD until the end of his career, and also beat Grubby lots of times. Dominated in the weekly cups (wc3m and incup) when he participated in them.
ZMTYOU
Profile Joined May 2013
88 Posts
June 19 2013 15:48 GMT
#39
its funny that lucifron was a patchzerg in wc3 and a patchzerg-killer in sc2
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33713 Posts
June 19 2013 15:53 GMT
#40
On June 20 2013 00:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
how big of a copout is a power rank with a three way tie for first


a little worse than one with a tie for 3/4
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