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On June 26 2013 08:34 trutoman wrote: OMG !!!! What about russian DEADMAN !! perhaps 5 - 6 in history ranking.
Maybe if this were a ranking about who could kick the most people in the face (with leg.)
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On June 26 2013 19:20 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 14:31 trutoman wrote:I think WC3 < SC2 for pro level play, but that WC3 > SC2 for amateur level play. I think it's because micro is so important that you can make every style work, so it's only at the absolute top that you were forced into always playing the same way, whereas on a lower level it's probably better to become noticed for your unique approach to the game. WC3 >> SC2 in all . MUCH more micro, and more differents micro-technics , hero use (funniest) , items as Dota or LoL ; little less macro. At this moment, looking a SC2 replay is more often boring in 80% of cases W3 replays were always different, not only at amateur levels in pro too, millions of differents strats depending on heroes Except that wc3 has blatant imbalance, sc2 doesn't...and it has that random factor in the item drops of creeps, which makes things a little less healthy for the competitive scene. Yes, wc3 has random factors in the form of item drops, random damage, crits, creep paths, and even marketplace restock. But at the same time, significant build order advantages were very rare since everyone basically did the same thing. Only two I can think of off the top of my head is the MK/AM vs DH/Warden mindgame in Human vs NE (MK > Warden > AM > DH > MK).
Grubby made a note of the difference between the two games as he was switching to SC2. I also believe this is one of the biggest reasons Happy wasn't as successful at first in SC2.
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missing many, many significant players but a joy to read never the less.
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Best thread on TL !
Wc3 is such a great game , I still remember back in school when some guy told me to go to a lan cafe and check the game out , all the years of playing on b.net , the lan cafes , watching sky destroy everyone ( I am a sky fan boy ) priceless memories.
I hope I get to play WC4 with my kids someday
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On June 23 2013 23:55 Grumbels wrote: WC3 had so many really entertaining players that would have unique stylistic traits. I can't remember which player it was, but there was one person that would always try to make blood mage first builds work. He didn't do terribly well, but he managed to get a lot of publicity on the replay sharing sites, and the community would talk about him in discussing whether the blood mage was too weak or not. I don't feel like the same thing exists for SC2, you have less units, less races and play styles are more streamlined. I don't know if this is because the game is so competitive that you can't really afford to drift off into idiosyncrasy and still be relevant or because of some underlying game design factor.
This post is so damn right!
I would always search for replays fom bosuhe because somehow he made necromancer based play work on a professional level. I don't know if he dabbled in sc2 though - maybe he's still playing wc3 in china :D
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ThorZaiN(H): Started quite late and was getting good near the end of WC3 - Was one of the strongest players in the amatuer/semi pro scene playing for GaB during the last year of wc3, one of the best human from Europe in shape at the time(sorry ToD!)
Macsed(NE): Was consistently overshadowed by other Chinese players and was probably better than this ranking suggests. - The best Chinese online player ever, he constantly competed against people with 90-150 ping with 300-350 ping, followed closely by moonfans (Bei)
Rotterdam(O): Known for using Farseer when everyone used Blademaster. Also known for being good at OvO and sometimes qualifying over Grubby in Dutch qualifiers. - He wasn't playing at the end of wc3, I wouldn't lump him with the other players that are listed in this portion. He was a good player, but never anything special.
Ciara(O): Known for being recruited onto EG so they could have a third player to play team leagues with. - Consistency is what comes to mind with Ciara, unfortunately for him it means constantly being average. Never good enough to win, but good enough to make you lose.
Titan(NE): One of the better Russians near the end of WC3 - Young stud who DOMINATED amateur leagues
Nightend(U): An underrated Undead player. - This fucker never talked to me once when I was admin of his group for an amateur league, I assume it was due to sc2 at the time but that shit still rubs me the wrong way. I personally think VortiX was a better undead, but thats probably my bias (VortiX was always super nice, nightend was always super douchey)
Vortix(U): Was way overshadowed by his brother. However, in interviews, Lucifron stated that Vortix had a better win ratio against him than any other Undead in the world. - The best amateur/semi pro player in Europe at the end of wc3, him and his brother Ryo ran a solid team under x6tence who were constantly competing for first place in amateur tournaments.
Kas(H): Known for getting into semifinals of online cups - KASMATUY!!! One of my favourite players to host for, always fun, always chatty, taught me what pizdec means. In wc3 he was with Thorzain as one of the best humans in europe at the end of wc3. This dude had micro, head games, macro. He was the full package near the end of wc3 and was only a few mechanical errors behind Chinese powerhouse humans.
Elfiittaja(U): A decent Undead.- Average
Targa(NE): Honestly don't remember much - Average
Naama(O): Was the brother of another WC3 player, Sein. Otherwise, don't remember much. -Naama was a BEAST in the amateur scene, he would rank above kiwikaki, but below Ciara and Lucifron.
Kiwikaki(O):: Probably the second best player from North America near the end of WC3, overshadowed only by Nilknarf. - Canadas WCG representative, constantly signed to a semi pro team even though he was big into poker.
Naniwa(U): Known more for BM than skill - Actually he was quite known for being good, just there was stories about him getting in fights with his parents, as well as being actively BM which made people distance themselves from him.
Stephano(H): I can't recall any major accomplishments, but he did go to LANs and went a bit far into cups. - played for aAa, was overshadowed by their elf players as well as aAa.Monster. Was just too young to really make an impact until wc3 had fizzled out and the lack of money probably turned away his interest.
SjoW(H): Known for being a part of the best 2v2 team with Delicato in early WC3. - retired before I came around
Bly4eg(U): Mostly online player - Beast mode amateur player.
Cruncher(U): One of the better North Americans near the end of WC3 - Which isn't saying much...he also played human at the end if i recall correctly.
Moonglade(NE): A night elf. Possibly higher, I don't remember much. - He was more accomplished than the Americans, good LAN nerves.
Take(H): I just remember it being funny that he was on the same team as a player named tak3r.
Axslav(R): Known for his 2v2 team with Strifeco. They both massed huntresses and consistently beat all other top teams which consisted of top 1v1 players. Played random in WC3. - Not just for potm/kotg hunts in 2v2, but also the only strategical genius that America had. Its a shame his mechanical skill is not on par with Koreans as he would be our shining beacon of hope to win an international title. (with franklin retiring so early into his career as well) Was also competing in broodwar at the time, or so he told me. Also Axslav stopped playing random and started race choosing based on his opponent, so while he could play multiple races, he specialized in specific match-ups, and especially favouring the human race
Strifeco(NE): see Axslav - Competing in BW with axslav. generally not giving a fuck and having fun. pretty inactive compared to the slav near the end of wc3.
Sorry for the revive, I wrote all this out and I didn't want it to be no reason at all :p didn't realize I was reviving a dead post until I was done !
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