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turnip
Profile Joined May 2010
United States193 Posts
June 21 2013 23:29 GMT
#141
I'd be very interested to see a current list, as I believe there's still a moderate-sized Asian scene. As far as I can tell from war3.replays.net Some big names like TH000, moon, lyn, ted, etc are still active.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
June 22 2013 02:30 GMT
#142
wow reading at all these names... so much memories.

isn't wc3 still played in wcg though?
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2013 03:16 GMT
#143
On June 22 2013 11:30 konadora wrote:
wow reading at all these names... so much memories.

isn't wc3 still played in wcg though?


it's been confirmed for 2013 slate
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
DustbinBieber
Profile Joined April 2013
France276 Posts
June 22 2013 06:21 GMT
#144
On June 22 2013 02:53 monk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 02:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 22 2013 02:19 GTR wrote:
On June 21 2013 21:29 fleeze wrote:
On June 21 2013 18:18 [F_]aths wrote:
On June 21 2013 16:53 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 21 2013 00:46 Dingodile wrote:
mirror is always the most random matchup. It doesn't matter whether wc3, sc1, sc2 or cnc or whatever.


Orc mirror on TFT was excessively volatile, all depending on what items the creeps drop and on how many crits your BM lands.

The crits are not that important, considering the high HP units in WC3 in general and especially for orc, it is more like an overall dps increase. The Blademaders's strength is more about the items you have. But "luck" comes with effort (a good planned out creep route.)

still... orc mirror was like the worst matchup.
even with a good creep route you were at a BIG disadvantage if you got 2 ring of protection while the other BM has circlet or claws. also there were maps with only one shop (echo isles...) and the fight for the 1 pair of boots decided who could harass easily.


Wasn't Orc mirror that bad for some players that they would learn NE and off-race just to avoid the coin flip?


Offracing as elf was common for human mirror I believe.

Yea, with the way Sky developed the HvH metagame, HvH became a lot more coin-flippy. Basically it went from tier 2 and 3 fights into mass tier 1 footmen with mercenaries and often base trades.


Man I loved those T1 fights... HvH was great imo.
Your topic made me reinstall War3 just so you know :p
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 22 2013 06:44 GMT
#145
Fifth race number 1

Miou did always well against German players but failed internationally.
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
June 22 2013 08:59 GMT
#146
viOlet is known for one more thing: at peak of his skill, when he became real power that can play against the best of the best there was a fire at his fathers house, so he leaved gaming and SK to help him. He returned to gaming only with SC2 release. Also he started as a great 2x2 player at A1 team with nelf player Uranus.WeRRa
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 22 2013 11:03 GMT
#147
Uh were other humans really offracing against sky or only th000 ?
thanks for bringing me back in time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
June 22 2013 11:30 GMT
#148
A very informative list. Takes me back to a lovely time in my life. Thanks!
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
June 22 2013 15:22 GMT
#149
On June 22 2013 20:03 Erasme wrote:
Uh were other humans really offracing against sky or only th000 ?
thanks for bringing me back in time

Infi did this too. Then what happened was that when Infi played TH000, they played a NE mirror. Eventually Sky fell into this temptation too and all three would just NE mirror against each other in tournaments. Sky was the worst at it though out of the three.
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Shinrai
Profile Joined November 2006
Philippines17 Posts
June 22 2013 15:57 GMT
#150
Swain!
He who questions my courage shall watch my army destroy his homeland as he feels my steel rip his heart - Matsu Gohei
schmitty9800
Profile Joined August 2010
United States390 Posts
June 22 2013 18:05 GMT
#151
On June 23 2013 00:22 monk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 20:03 Erasme wrote:
Uh were other humans really offracing against sky or only th000 ?
thanks for bringing me back in time

Infi did this too. Then what happened was that when Infi played TH000, they played a NE mirror. Eventually Sky fell into this temptation too and all three would just NE mirror against each other in tournaments. Sky was the worst at it though out of the three.

Sky should've learned UD in that case
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
June 22 2013 18:10 GMT
#152
th000 is probably the best random player.
for some time he was the only one who I would find replays of on wcreplays, that would beat other topplayers with Ud
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States885 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 18:38:00
June 22 2013 18:34 GMT
#153
Oh man, so many awesome memories. I remember always hating Sky and Infi and their tower rushes and rooting for whoever they were against haha. And Moon didn't play Night Elf; he was the 5th race.

4k was my favorite team. ToD/Grubby/Creo was just so much dominance in a single foreign team. Creo's WCG 2007 journey is probably my favorite storyline in all of WC3 history.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
June 22 2013 21:49 GMT
#154
destroyed the three consecutive wins of sky
im still a bit sad about that
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
June 22 2013 22:50 GMT
#155
Man i so wish Zacard would switch to sc2 ((
Xialos
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada508 Posts
June 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#156
elfi was decent too...
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
June 23 2013 00:41 GMT
#157
Th000 was kinda like the TLO of war3. Very creative player.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 05:25:12
June 23 2013 05:24 GMT
#158
Anyone care to rank active players?
Zechs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom321 Posts
June 23 2013 10:36 GMT
#159
No Fly, no TH000... Madfrog in 8th. Um, yeah... I don't really see how these can be considered "power rankings." I get the whole "only SC2 players" angle, but that paints a very, very narrow picture of the scene. You're missing out some of the best players the game had to offer. People often don't seem to realise that most of the ex-WC3 players who do well in SC2 were mostly fairly average in WC3 and by missing out the non-SC2 player from this list i think the OP is continuing that misconception. You did rightly mention that Naniwa was more famous for his behaviour than for this skill but a lot of the top European SC2 players were average-to-good in WC3 (by pro standards, obviously).
Esports and stuff: zechleton.tumblr.com
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
June 23 2013 12:09 GMT
#160
This list seems pretty random. You seem to be mixing historic accomplishments and the skill level at the end of Wc3 as your deciding factors. Also I'm missing some pretty big names in your top ten while there are players like Lucifron who was just a very promising talent. Also tak3r mostly played for mtw while I remember take mostly for being on SK maybe they were on the same team for a brief period but I honestly doubt it.
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