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On June 20 2013 21:56 Ryo_ wrote:Guys, you totally missed the greatest LucifroN achievements :S - 1st ESWC Masters of Cheonan 2009 (Cheonan, South Korea) http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/23795-ESWC_Lucifron_wins_Cheonan_Lyn_secondLucifroN was the champion beating Lyn, Fly100% (2 orc mirrors, for those who say that he was a "race abuser"), TH000, Sky and XlorD. - 1st European Blizzard Regional finals 2009 (Cologne, Germany) http://www.globalmmo.com/mmorpg/game/world-of-warcraft-wow/area/europe/resource/news/entry/6370/tag/accounts/p/In this tournament LucifroN manage to beat the best European players, including Grubby in both the winner bracket final (2-0) and the overall final (1-2, 2-1). - 3rd European Blizzard Regional finals 2008 (Madrid, Spain) - 5/8th WCG 2008 (Cologne, Germany) I think that 9th place for him is totally undeserved, he was a top tier WC3 player in the last years and he could beat (and he did, in fact) every player in the world.
Anyone who ever watched Orc mirrors or played them knows that match up is a literal roll of RNG most of the time. Oh your BM crit, but mine didn't? Guess you're winning the early encounters.
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"Kiwikaki(O):: Probably the second best player from North America near the end of WC3, overshadowed only by Nilknarf."
Hm... never heard of Nilknarf before. I thought near the end it was LongWalk who always won the US qualifiers and before that it was Sonkie.
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mirror is always the most random matchup. It doesn't matter whether wc3, sc1, sc2 or cnc or whatever.
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On June 21 2013 00:44 Paragleiber wrote:
"Kiwikaki(O):: Probably the second best player from North America near the end of WC3, overshadowed only by Nilknarf."
Hm... never heard of Nilknarf before. I thought near the end it was LongWalk who always won the US qualifiers and before that it was Sonkie.
actually the only americans to really compete were shortround placing 3rd and 4th at WCG if i recall correctly, and wizard winning a car at ACON4 or something like that
nilknarf was by far the best before wc3 went downhill pretty fast
longwalk and sonkie were okayish and only qualified if none better showed up
in the history of american wc3 players like aether, shock and ghostrider in their mTw time were also pretty good
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On June 21 2013 00:39 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 21:56 Ryo_ wrote:Guys, you totally missed the greatest LucifroN achievements :S - 1st ESWC Masters of Cheonan 2009 (Cheonan, South Korea) http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/23795-ESWC_Lucifron_wins_Cheonan_Lyn_secondLucifroN was the champion beating Lyn, Fly100% (2 orc mirrors, for those who say that he was a "race abuser"), TH000, Sky and XlorD. - 1st European Blizzard Regional finals 2009 (Cologne, Germany) http://www.globalmmo.com/mmorpg/game/world-of-warcraft-wow/area/europe/resource/news/entry/6370/tag/accounts/p/In this tournament LucifroN manage to beat the best European players, including Grubby in both the winner bracket final (2-0) and the overall final (1-2, 2-1). - 3rd European Blizzard Regional finals 2008 (Madrid, Spain) - 5/8th WCG 2008 (Cologne, Germany) I think that 9th place for him is totally undeserved, he was a top tier WC3 player in the last years and he could beat (and he did, in fact) every player in the world. Anyone who ever watched Orc mirrors or played them knows that match up is a literal roll of RNG most of the time. Oh your BM crit, but mine didn't? Guess you're winning the early encounters.
That isn't true in the slightest. You could make an argument about getting extreme bad luck with item drops (you get several rings while your opponent gets claws/gloves), but BM crits are the least of your worries. Bad drop luck isn't unique to any specific matchup though. Orc mirror was always how we would 1v1 because the matchup revolves around micro, positioning, and decision making. If you play a series the better player will win.
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TeD was a notable WC3 player, too. If you mention Zacard and Hot, TeD should be mentioned, too.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Bit off topic, but whatever happened to LongWalk? Wasn't he one of the best American players?
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sooo much nostalgia was caused by this blog. 
Longwalk, Sonkie, nilknarf were good, but no other american was as fun to watch as axslav. I was a random player myself and looooved to watch his replays. If I remember correctly he managed to ladder up an account where he played no heroes :D #starcraftstyle
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On June 21 2013 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:
Bit off topic, but whatever happened to LongWalk? Wasn't he one of the best American players?
Pretty sure he's a decent poker player now. Could be confusing him with someone else though.
Off my memory: The best american WC3ers in terms of achievments were first and foremost Wizard and Shortround. Those are the only ones with notable international achievments in 1v1 tournaments. Wizard winning ACON4, and Shortround with good placements in various WCG/ESWC's. Notable about both though is that they both kinda sucked online. That wasn't the case with the later generations of players, with guys like Nilknarf and Sonkie. They did consistently alright, but never managed to get any particular notable result in an important 1v1 tournament. That goes for a LOT of WC3ers though, there weren't really that many 1v1 tournaments.
http://eslgfx.net/media/de/news/wc3l/WC3L_best_players.pdf (has to be refreshed)
Fascinating reading. Overall stats from several years of WC3L. Grubby so fucking dominant. 119 BO3s won, 25 lost. Funny to see even Darkforce with a couple of games played there, can't say I remember that.
Edit: haha, Take at the very bottom of the list consisting of 513 players.
What happened to mouz.Spell? He was always pretty good, but kinda overlooked. Possibly the best german wc3er at certain times.
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Interesting list. I never got into the WCIII scene even though I loved the game but this list was pretty good for giving me a broad view
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Worth noting is that a lot of the results were a result of which starting map the coach/captain decided to put the players on.
Lots of the fun with wc3l was the speculation before the matches as to who were to be chosen to play on which of the four startingmaps. Certain races were good at certain maps, however certain players were good vs certain races, so it was always a dilemma for the coaches/captains regarding which maps to give to which players.
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Lyn, my favorite w3 player...
please come back...
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You shouldn't forget to mention that Axslav was _extremely_ bad mannered and childish during a period of his Warcraft 3 days. Well, that's my experience when I used to meet him and Strifeco on ladder. BM from the start of each game, just uselessly flaming away.
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Should mention Lucifer(UD). He liked to do unorthodox strategies like Lich tower rush or his trademark tier 2 push, I've seen him use panda first as well.
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Great list, and pretty accurate assessment of every player. The top 3 without a doubt were Grubby Moon and Sky in terms of best known and legacy. The were the kings of their respective races. Surprised not to see TED, he was one of the strongest UD's near the end. And where's the famous Showtime? Freedom? Dayfly? These were huge names before they left the scene. Would also like to mention my personal favorite UD player of all time, Sweet[SAINT], and the Big UD 5 (not sure if 4 or 5). These were similar to the brood war protoss dragons. They were: Sweet[SAINT],Lof.FoV, Cherry.ReiGn, Susiria.Werra and Cherry.Lucifer.
Edit: Okay, completely missed the bolded segment in OP. My apologies. But so happy you included sweet fov and reign. They were the champions of all UD before Orcs took over and drove them to near extinction  .
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SK.HeMaN
SK.Sweet
Kenshin.Werra ?
ShowTime.Werra ? :D
aT DeadMan ?
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Lucifron ranked too high. happy too low.. ehmm I didnt really like this rank
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Best Of The Article :
"Naniwa(U): Known more for BM than skill"
So funny and so true
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