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On May 22 2013 03:16 Ghin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 02:52 Riku wrote:On May 21 2013 22:12 StarStruck wrote:On May 21 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:55 CecilSunkure wrote:On May 21 2013 09:40 StarStruck wrote:
Connections matter in every industry darling. Oh darling. Please believe me. o-O Is there something going on between you two? :3 As for my connections, some were made from mutual attraction, but more were made from shared interests and friends. For instance, I became good friends with Diggity, a name many of you are familiar with. This connection was made through common friends and our mutual interest in League of Legends. It was certainly not due to attraction and he treats his male and female friends similarly. I was refering to referrals/references not what you're alluding to lmao. It is very weird that Riot would retract their offer in 48 hours of advance. You did sign an offer sheet, right? I wonder how many candidates they had. Anywho, I've got lots of work because I have a good repertoire with all the people I've worked with and they like my style. It's great because I never have to worry about finding work again. It was a contractor position (they try everyone out as a contractor for 3 months before hiring them in the entry level positions). Thus, I had no offer sheet, only the contract, which I had signed, but which was not going to be signed by them and finished until I came in to finalize the paperwork on my first day. I may have been still able to pursue some kind of legal action, but I was so heartbroken and upset about the whole situation, I tried to just ignore it. Whenever you feel upset, remember that there's always a creepy guy on the internet that would be glad to give you a hug.
hahahhahahh
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On May 22 2013 03:05 Torte de Lini wrote:
I would report it to the right authorities (some working/employment organization) with the associated documents.
It's been over 180 days, unfortunately, so no more chance at legal options there.
I even had all of the paperwork filled out, actually. :/ To report them, that is. All 25 pages of it.
On May 22 2013 03:16 Ghin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 02:52 Riku wrote:On May 21 2013 22:12 StarStruck wrote:On May 21 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:55 CecilSunkure wrote:On May 21 2013 09:40 StarStruck wrote:
Connections matter in every industry darling. Oh darling. Please believe me. o-O Is there something going on between you two? :3 As for my connections, some were made from mutual attraction, but more were made from shared interests and friends. For instance, I became good friends with Diggity, a name many of you are familiar with. This connection was made through common friends and our mutual interest in League of Legends. It was certainly not due to attraction and he treats his male and female friends similarly. I was refering to referrals/references not what you're alluding to lmao. It is very weird that Riot would retract their offer in 48 hours of advance. You did sign an offer sheet, right? I wonder how many candidates they had. Anywho, I've got lots of work because I have a good repertoire with all the people I've worked with and they like my style. It's great because I never have to worry about finding work again. It was a contractor position (they try everyone out as a contractor for 3 months before hiring them in the entry level positions). Thus, I had no offer sheet, only the contract, which I had signed, but which was not going to be signed by them and finished until I came in to finalize the paperwork on my first day. I may have been still able to pursue some kind of legal action, but I was so heartbroken and upset about the whole situation, I tried to just ignore it. Whenever you feel upset, remember that there's always a creepy guy on the internet that would be glad to give you a hug.
If you ever run into me at a Con or whatnot, I'd like to redeem that!
(No seriously, guys, I love free hugs and people who know me from the Interwebs saying "hi")
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I didn't know you were in Seattle, I'm moving there next month to start work. Maybe I'll bump into you sometime. Btw how is your job at the sports safety type place? I'm guessing the excitement wore off seeing as how you are looking back on the games industry. Anyways, I'm very sorry to hear about your incident with Riot Games, I have never heard of a company with such unprofessional hiring practices, even for contractor positions. Btw, what companies do you have job offers with right now? Any of them good?
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Pursuing legal action would have been the fastest way to ensure you never work in the game industry, unfortunately.
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On May 22 2013 07:20 -Kaiser- wrote:
Pursuing legal action would have been the fastest way to ensure you never work in the game industry, unfortunately.
Yeah, I have heard of very scary blacklists. I know Microsoft has their own blacklist. One dude I know was blacklisted for a pretty silly reason too: he was accepted to intern one summer. After a long period of no communication they sent him some email about interning, to which he replied he didn't want to intern anymore. Apparently someone didn't like this and informed him he was permanently blacklisted from ever working at Microsoft again.
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On May 22 2013 07:51 CecilSunkure wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 07:20 -Kaiser- wrote:
Pursuing legal action would have been the fastest way to ensure you never work in the game industry, unfortunately. Yeah, I have heard of very scary blacklists. I know Microsoft has their own blacklist. One dude I know was blacklisted for a pretty silly reason too: he was accepted to intern one summer. After a long period of no communication they sent him some email about interning, to which he replied he didn't want to intern anymore. Apparently someone didn't like this and informed him he was permanently blacklisted from ever working at Microsoft again.
Yeah, I'm starting a summer internship in the VFX industry this July and I've been sure to reply to every email promptly and enthusiastically.
There's a million awesome things about about these types of jobs, but you need to be on everybody's good list or doors can get shut pretty hard.
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On May 22 2013 06:09 Chairman Ray wrote:
I didn't know you were in Seattle, I'm moving there next month to start work. Maybe I'll bump into you sometime. Btw how is your job at the sports safety type place? I'm guessing the excitement wore off seeing as how you are looking back on the games industry. Anyways, I'm very sorry to hear about your incident with Riot Games, I have never heard of a company with such unprofessional hiring practices, even for contractor positions. Btw, what companies do you have job offers with right now? Any of them good?
My job is currently at the point where I am waiting on so many outside resources to get information and products back to me, I get bored and find myself with little work to do. However, the software team just tried to recruit me yesterday, so now I'm studying JavaScript to see if I can help out! Luckily, I already studied Rackett and Java, so JavaScript is pretty easy right now. HOWEVER, === (and !==) is(are) retarded and someone needs to be smacked over that one.
Well, one of them was Capcom. I didn't get the details, because I said I had no intention to moving to Canada right now, so I can't stay if the offer was good.
On May 22 2013 07:20 -Kaiser- wrote:
Pursuing legal action would have been the fastest way to ensure you never work in the game industry, unfortunately.
Both relieving and disturbing to know. However, I know that my current connections have little care for Riot and how they treated me (one of the offers was from an ex-Rioter to work at his new company).
Still, I think the bother would have been more than it was worth.
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I'm at a loss.
You seem to harbor a lot of [warranted] resentment after what happened with Riot, yet this is the first we hear of it and we have to yank it out of you? There's got to be something more to the story, i mean you moved, signed a lease etc.
Fill out 25 pages of legal paperwork but don't make a blog about it? I've only ever heard good things about Riot from employees. Given how incredibly unfair their treatment of you sounds, it would have become a story if you wanted it to be.
In retrospect you probably did the smart thing, but how did you manage to keep the lid on at the time?
By the way, you had to know this would be the focal point of the blog when you decided to add the mention of a 'Riot incident'.
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Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
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On May 22 2013 02:52 Riku wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 22:12 StarStruck wrote:On May 21 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:55 CecilSunkure wrote:On May 21 2013 09:40 StarStruck wrote:
Connections matter in every industry darling. Oh darling. Please believe me. o-O Is there something going on between you two? :3 As for my connections, some were made from mutual attraction, but more were made from shared interests and friends. For instance, I became good friends with Diggity, a name many of you are familiar with. This connection was made through common friends and our mutual interest in League of Legends. It was certainly not due to attraction and he treats his male and female friends similarly. I was refering to referrals/references not what you're alluding to lmao. It is very weird that Riot would retract their offer in 48 hours of advance. You did sign an offer sheet, right? I wonder how many candidates they had. Anywho, I've got lots of work because I have a good repertoire with all the people I've worked with and they like my style. It's great because I never have to worry about finding work again. It was a contractor position (they try everyone out as a contractor for 3 months before hiring them in the entry level positions). Thus, I had no offer sheet, only the contract, which I had signed, but which was not going to be signed by them and finished until I came in to finalize the paperwork on my first day. I may have been still able to pursue some kind of legal action, but I was so heartbroken and upset about the whole situation, I tried to just ignore it.
Aw, that really sucks. Sorry to hear that.
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There was a rikublog, it was a good day. That reminded me of an old, old photo.
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On May 23 2013 03:06 Thrill wrote:
I'm at a loss.
You seem to harbor a lot of [warranted] resentment after what happened with Riot, yet this is the first we hear of it and we have to yank it out of you? There's got to be something more to the story, i mean you moved, signed a lease etc.
Fill out 25 pages of legal paperwork but don't make a blog about it? I've only ever heard good things about Riot from employees. Given how incredibly unfair their treatment of you sounds, it would have become a story if you wanted it to be.
In retrospect you probably did the smart thing, but how did you manage to keep the lid on at the time?
By the way, you had to know this would be the focal point of the blog when you decided to add the mention of a 'Riot incident'.
I was shocked, unsure of my legal abilities, and was hoping they'd turn around and say "Yeah, that department was just going through too many changes, come back!" Also, writing a blog about it when you are taking legal action seems like a poor idea, as one poorly worded sentence could come back to bite you.
As for only good things about Riot, I don't know which employees you are talking to. Some like it, but I know of many issues that run deep in the company.
Truthfully, I cried and felt destroyed and scared. I was out of college, deep in debt, jobless and had just been betrayed by a company I was pretty much willing to pledge my life to. It's hard being treated like shit by something you love and cared about so deeply.
I even stopped playing League for a while, just worked on job searching and MLP crafts, playing a decent amount of Smite. I sent out a few bitter Tweets (which I generally deleted in a few hours/days), but I tried to keep it mostly to myself.
I apologize, I swear I had mentioned it before. I am pretty much over the incident, as it has been a year since then. It still hurts to think about sometimes, but I like to think I'm happier where I am now than I would have been there. Even if Riot Riku sounds awesome.
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On May 23 2013 03:34 MaestroSC wrote:
Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
I think I still have the full contract somewhere around my house. It was a certain thing. Here is a bit of proof:
+ Show Spoiler +Hi Renee,
Please find attached the preliminary paper work in connection with your offer here at Riot Games. We’re excited to have you join us!
The most important document to get back to me asap is the “Release Form Background Check”. Your start date is contingent on a clear background check. Please sign, scan and email the documents requiring signatures (even pages that don’t require signatures) back to me as soon as you can...
And here is a complaint I sent after the incident:
+ Show Spoiler +Dear ****,
I would like to inform you of the unprofessional way I have been treated by Riot Games and, specifically, by ***.
I was told on March 30th, 2012 by ***** that I had been chosen to start at Riot Games as a Production Coordinator. At this time, I halted my search for other jobs to focus on my graduation and my future work at Riot. After learning ***** had left Riot, I contacted *** on April 20th, inquiring how to proceed with my employment. He replied to me that he would be handling my employment and that I would receive my paperwork the next week.
A week later, I had still not received the paperwork and I sent him an e-mail reminder, to which he replied the paperwork would come soon. A week after that (May 3rd), I had still not received any paperwork and e-mailed him again, to which I received no reply. While the last message I had received from him stated " I'm not sure what happened but I apologize. I'll email someone now and make sure you get squared away," I was informed by a member of the hiring staff that, in fact, *** had not signed the paperwork required and they were waiting on him to give me my paperwork. While I understand if there was some other reason he did not wish to sign my paperwork or if he forgot to sign a document, I found it unprofessional that, not only did he not keep me informed of the progress, but he also did not reply to two of my e-mails (one on May 3rd and one on May 6th) inquiring about the paperwork that I had been supposed to receive two weeks earlier.
On May 20th, I restated my ideal start date to be June 1st and *** confirmed this date on May 21st. However, *** contacted me on May 25th asking to speak with me by phone on May 29th, I told him I would be free to talk all day. I did not receive a call nor e-mail on May 29th. I received my final employment papers on May 30th from ****** and e-mailed *** to inform him of the papers and that I had not received a call from him.
He e-mailed late on May 30th informing me that the offer of employment was being retracted and gave no clear reasoning as to why. Note that this was less than 48 hours before my start date, well after I had committed to Riot Games by halting my pursuit of other jobs and moving to Santa Monica, even signing a one year lease. He said he would call me the next week to explain why the position was suddenly taken away from me. I agreed to the phonecall, but I received no future contact from him. It has been over a month and I still have not received an explanation as to why I was lead on only to have the position taken away from me in the last second.
I am shocked and appalled that this would be the professional behavior of an employee of Riot. This treatment has not only put me in great financial and emotional difficulty, but has also ruined my passion for a company that I had been putting myself into fully.
I was informed for months that I would be employed at Riot, then I was not even given a real explanation nor the formality of a phonecall when that opportunity was taken away from me. As this would have been my professional job, I am not receiving unemployment and spent the money I had saved up during my internships and previous jobs on moving to Santa Monica, which has put me in an extremely difficult financial position. While the hardship of my position due to this situation is distressing, that I was treated so poorly and unprofessionally makes this situation truly painful.
Thank You,
Renee Gittins
I got only this as a reply:
+ Show Spoiler +Renee – I'm familiar with the situation and am sorry you had such a negative experience and that we fell short of your expectations here on a number of fronts. I hope things have gone well since this all transpired and that you've landed on your feet.
****
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Okay so now we understand a bit more when you say "incident with Riot Games" 
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On May 23 2013 08:30 Riku wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 03:34 MaestroSC wrote:
Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
I think I still have the full contract somewhere around my house. It was a certain thing. Here is a bit of proof: + Show Spoiler +Hi Renee,
Please find attached the preliminary paper work in connection with your offer here at Riot Games. We’re excited to have you join us!
The most important document to get back to me asap is the “Release Form Background Check”. Your start date is contingent on a clear background check. Please sign, scan and email the documents requiring signatures (even pages that don’t require signatures) back to me as soon as you can...
And here is a complaint I sent after the incident: + Show Spoiler +Dear ****,
I would like to inform you of the unprofessional way I have been treated by Riot Games and, specifically, by ***.
I was told on March 30th, 2012 by ***** that I had been chosen to start at Riot Games as a Production Coordinator. At this time, I halted my search for other jobs to focus on my graduation and my future work at Riot. After learning ***** had left Riot, I contacted *** on April 20th, inquiring how to proceed with my employment. He replied to me that he would be handling my employment and that I would receive my paperwork the next week.
A week later, I had still not received the paperwork and I sent him an e-mail reminder, to which he replied the paperwork would come soon. A week after that (May 3rd), I had still not received any paperwork and e-mailed him again, to which I received no reply. While the last message I had received from him stated " I'm not sure what happened but I apologize. I'll email someone now and make sure you get squared away," I was informed by a member of the hiring staff that, in fact, *** had not signed the paperwork required and they were waiting on him to give me my paperwork. While I understand if there was some other reason he did not wish to sign my paperwork or if he forgot to sign a document, I found it unprofessional that, not only did he not keep me informed of the progress, but he also did not reply to two of my e-mails (one on May 3rd and one on May 6th) inquiring about the paperwork that I had been supposed to receive two weeks earlier.
On May 20th, I restated my ideal start date to be June 1st and *** confirmed this date on May 21st. However, *** contacted me on May 25th asking to speak with me by phone on May 29th, I told him I would be free to talk all day. I did not receive a call nor e-mail on May 29th. I received my final employment papers on May 30th from ****** and e-mailed *** to inform him of the papers and that I had not received a call from him.
He e-mailed late on May 30th informing me that the offer of employment was being retracted and gave no clear reasoning as to why. Note that this was less than 48 hours before my start date, well after I had committed to Riot Games by halting my pursuit of other jobs and moving to Santa Monica, even signing a one year lease. He said he would call me the next week to explain why the position was suddenly taken away from me. I agreed to the phonecall, but I received no future contact from him. It has been over a month and I still have not received an explanation as to why I was lead on only to have the position taken away from me in the last second.
I am shocked and appalled that this would be the professional behavior of an employee of Riot. This treatment has not only put me in great financial and emotional difficulty, but has also ruined my passion for a company that I had been putting myself into fully.
I was informed for months that I would be employed at Riot, then I was not even given a real explanation nor the formality of a phonecall when that opportunity was taken away from me. As this would have been my professional job, I am not receiving unemployment and spent the money I had saved up during my internships and previous jobs on moving to Santa Monica, which has put me in an extremely difficult financial position. While the hardship of my position due to this situation is distressing, that I was treated so poorly and unprofessionally makes this situation truly painful.
Thank You,
Renee Gittins I got only this as a reply: + Show Spoiler +Renee – I'm familiar with the situation and am sorry you had such a negative experience and that we fell short of your expectations here on a number of fronts. I hope things have gone well since this all transpired and that you've landed on your feet.
****
but like u said, they hadnt signed it yet, and they hadnt employed you full time yet...?
idk seems like a big miscommunication, and it sounds like they were very terrible/rude/shitty in the way they handled it, but even then if you were subcontracted out... idk how much of a case you would have had in court?
seems like someone was doing a favor, and then something happened so that they were no longer interested in making sure you received what was offered to you by said person.
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Probably related to Serif, her then boyfriend (I believe he worked for Riot and probably gave her the leg up). He left the company, for whatever reason, and things just went to the shit probably.
Pure speculation but my best guess.
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On May 23 2013 21:00 FractalsOnFire wrote:
Probably related to Serif, her then boyfriend (I believe he worked for Riot and probably gave her the leg up). He left the company, for whatever reason, and things just went to the shit probably.
Pure speculation but my best guess.
ah.
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On May 23 2013 09:06 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 08:30 Riku wrote:On May 23 2013 03:34 MaestroSC wrote:
Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
I think I still have the full contract somewhere around my house. It was a certain thing. Here is a bit of proof: + Show Spoiler +Hi Renee,
Please find attached the preliminary paper work in connection with your offer here at Riot Games. We’re excited to have you join us!
The most important document to get back to me asap is the “Release Form Background Check”. Your start date is contingent on a clear background check. Please sign, scan and email the documents requiring signatures (even pages that don’t require signatures) back to me as soon as you can...
And here is a complaint I sent after the incident: + Show Spoiler +Dear ****,
I would like to inform you of the unprofessional way I have been treated by Riot Games and, specifically, by ***.
I was told on March 30th, 2012 by ***** that I had been chosen to start at Riot Games as a Production Coordinator. At this time, I halted my search for other jobs to focus on my graduation and my future work at Riot. After learning ***** had left Riot, I contacted *** on April 20th, inquiring how to proceed with my employment. He replied to me that he would be handling my employment and that I would receive my paperwork the next week.
A week later, I had still not received the paperwork and I sent him an e-mail reminder, to which he replied the paperwork would come soon. A week after that (May 3rd), I had still not received any paperwork and e-mailed him again, to which I received no reply. While the last message I had received from him stated " I'm not sure what happened but I apologize. I'll email someone now and make sure you get squared away," I was informed by a member of the hiring staff that, in fact, *** had not signed the paperwork required and they were waiting on him to give me my paperwork. While I understand if there was some other reason he did not wish to sign my paperwork or if he forgot to sign a document, I found it unprofessional that, not only did he not keep me informed of the progress, but he also did not reply to two of my e-mails (one on May 3rd and one on May 6th) inquiring about the paperwork that I had been supposed to receive two weeks earlier.
On May 20th, I restated my ideal start date to be June 1st and *** confirmed this date on May 21st. However, *** contacted me on May 25th asking to speak with me by phone on May 29th, I told him I would be free to talk all day. I did not receive a call nor e-mail on May 29th. I received my final employment papers on May 30th from ****** and e-mailed *** to inform him of the papers and that I had not received a call from him.
He e-mailed late on May 30th informing me that the offer of employment was being retracted and gave no clear reasoning as to why. Note that this was less than 48 hours before my start date, well after I had committed to Riot Games by halting my pursuit of other jobs and moving to Santa Monica, even signing a one year lease. He said he would call me the next week to explain why the position was suddenly taken away from me. I agreed to the phonecall, but I received no future contact from him. It has been over a month and I still have not received an explanation as to why I was lead on only to have the position taken away from me in the last second.
I am shocked and appalled that this would be the professional behavior of an employee of Riot. This treatment has not only put me in great financial and emotional difficulty, but has also ruined my passion for a company that I had been putting myself into fully.
I was informed for months that I would be employed at Riot, then I was not even given a real explanation nor the formality of a phonecall when that opportunity was taken away from me. As this would have been my professional job, I am not receiving unemployment and spent the money I had saved up during my internships and previous jobs on moving to Santa Monica, which has put me in an extremely difficult financial position. While the hardship of my position due to this situation is distressing, that I was treated so poorly and unprofessionally makes this situation truly painful.
Thank You,
Renee Gittins I got only this as a reply: + Show Spoiler +Renee – I'm familiar with the situation and am sorry you had such a negative experience and that we fell short of your expectations here on a number of fronts. I hope things have gone well since this all transpired and that you've landed on your feet.
**** but like u said, they hadnt signed it yet, and they hadnt employed you full time yet...? idk seems like a big miscommunication, and it sounds like they were very terrible/rude/shitty in the way they handled it, but even then if you were subcontracted out... idk how much of a case you would have had in court? seems like someone was doing a favor, and then something happened so that they were no longer interested in making sure you received what was offered to you by said person.
They had 100% offered me full time employment for 3 months as a contractor. The only thing left was to finish my paperwork on my first day.
This wasn't a "favor." I was qualified for the position, I did 5+ hours of interviews and had a lunch with my supervisor in addition to those interviews (because he couldn't make them). Certainly, my connections there helped me get my foot in the door, but, after that, it was my own performance and qualifications that got me the job offer.
I did not receive an offer from a singular person, I received a formal offer and employment package from Riot Games, the company.
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On May 24 2013 01:20 Riku wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 09:06 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 08:30 Riku wrote:On May 23 2013 03:34 MaestroSC wrote:
Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
I think I still have the full contract somewhere around my house. It was a certain thing. Here is a bit of proof: + Show Spoiler +Hi Renee,
Please find attached the preliminary paper work in connection with your offer here at Riot Games. We’re excited to have you join us!
The most important document to get back to me asap is the “Release Form Background Check”. Your start date is contingent on a clear background check. Please sign, scan and email the documents requiring signatures (even pages that don’t require signatures) back to me as soon as you can...
And here is a complaint I sent after the incident: + Show Spoiler +Dear ****,
I would like to inform you of the unprofessional way I have been treated by Riot Games and, specifically, by ***.
I was told on March 30th, 2012 by ***** that I had been chosen to start at Riot Games as a Production Coordinator. At this time, I halted my search for other jobs to focus on my graduation and my future work at Riot. After learning ***** had left Riot, I contacted *** on April 20th, inquiring how to proceed with my employment. He replied to me that he would be handling my employment and that I would receive my paperwork the next week.
A week later, I had still not received the paperwork and I sent him an e-mail reminder, to which he replied the paperwork would come soon. A week after that (May 3rd), I had still not received any paperwork and e-mailed him again, to which I received no reply. While the last message I had received from him stated " I'm not sure what happened but I apologize. I'll email someone now and make sure you get squared away," I was informed by a member of the hiring staff that, in fact, *** had not signed the paperwork required and they were waiting on him to give me my paperwork. While I understand if there was some other reason he did not wish to sign my paperwork or if he forgot to sign a document, I found it unprofessional that, not only did he not keep me informed of the progress, but he also did not reply to two of my e-mails (one on May 3rd and one on May 6th) inquiring about the paperwork that I had been supposed to receive two weeks earlier.
On May 20th, I restated my ideal start date to be June 1st and *** confirmed this date on May 21st. However, *** contacted me on May 25th asking to speak with me by phone on May 29th, I told him I would be free to talk all day. I did not receive a call nor e-mail on May 29th. I received my final employment papers on May 30th from ****** and e-mailed *** to inform him of the papers and that I had not received a call from him.
He e-mailed late on May 30th informing me that the offer of employment was being retracted and gave no clear reasoning as to why. Note that this was less than 48 hours before my start date, well after I had committed to Riot Games by halting my pursuit of other jobs and moving to Santa Monica, even signing a one year lease. He said he would call me the next week to explain why the position was suddenly taken away from me. I agreed to the phonecall, but I received no future contact from him. It has been over a month and I still have not received an explanation as to why I was lead on only to have the position taken away from me in the last second.
I am shocked and appalled that this would be the professional behavior of an employee of Riot. This treatment has not only put me in great financial and emotional difficulty, but has also ruined my passion for a company that I had been putting myself into fully.
I was informed for months that I would be employed at Riot, then I was not even given a real explanation nor the formality of a phonecall when that opportunity was taken away from me. As this would have been my professional job, I am not receiving unemployment and spent the money I had saved up during my internships and previous jobs on moving to Santa Monica, which has put me in an extremely difficult financial position. While the hardship of my position due to this situation is distressing, that I was treated so poorly and unprofessionally makes this situation truly painful.
Thank You,
Renee Gittins I got only this as a reply: + Show Spoiler +Renee – I'm familiar with the situation and am sorry you had such a negative experience and that we fell short of your expectations here on a number of fronts. I hope things have gone well since this all transpired and that you've landed on your feet.
**** but like u said, they hadnt signed it yet, and they hadnt employed you full time yet...? idk seems like a big miscommunication, and it sounds like they were very terrible/rude/shitty in the way they handled it, but even then if you were subcontracted out... idk how much of a case you would have had in court? seems like someone was doing a favor, and then something happened so that they were no longer interested in making sure you received what was offered to you by said person. They had 100% offered me full time employment for 3 months as a contractor. The only thing left was to finish my paperwork on my first day. This wasn't a "favor." I was qualified for the position, I did 5+ hours of interviews and had a lunch with my supervisor in addition to those interviews (because he couldn't make them). Certainly, my connections there helped me get my foot in the door, but, after that, it was my own performance and qualifications that got me the job offer. I did not receive an offer from a singular person, I received a formal offer and employment package from Riot Games, the company.
Why'd you sign a year lease for a 3 month contract?
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On May 24 2013 06:10 -Kaiser- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 01:20 Riku wrote:On May 23 2013 09:06 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 08:30 Riku wrote:On May 23 2013 03:34 MaestroSC wrote:
Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
I think I still have the full contract somewhere around my house. It was a certain thing. Here is a bit of proof: + Show Spoiler +Hi Renee,
Please find attached the preliminary paper work in connection with your offer here at Riot Games. We’re excited to have you join us!
The most important document to get back to me asap is the “Release Form Background Check”. Your start date is contingent on a clear background check. Please sign, scan and email the documents requiring signatures (even pages that don’t require signatures) back to me as soon as you can...
And here is a complaint I sent after the incident: + Show Spoiler +Dear ****,
I would like to inform you of the unprofessional way I have been treated by Riot Games and, specifically, by ***.
I was told on March 30th, 2012 by ***** that I had been chosen to start at Riot Games as a Production Coordinator. At this time, I halted my search for other jobs to focus on my graduation and my future work at Riot. After learning ***** had left Riot, I contacted *** on April 20th, inquiring how to proceed with my employment. He replied to me that he would be handling my employment and that I would receive my paperwork the next week.
A week later, I had still not received the paperwork and I sent him an e-mail reminder, to which he replied the paperwork would come soon. A week after that (May 3rd), I had still not received any paperwork and e-mailed him again, to which I received no reply. While the last message I had received from him stated " I'm not sure what happened but I apologize. I'll email someone now and make sure you get squared away," I was informed by a member of the hiring staff that, in fact, *** had not signed the paperwork required and they were waiting on him to give me my paperwork. While I understand if there was some other reason he did not wish to sign my paperwork or if he forgot to sign a document, I found it unprofessional that, not only did he not keep me informed of the progress, but he also did not reply to two of my e-mails (one on May 3rd and one on May 6th) inquiring about the paperwork that I had been supposed to receive two weeks earlier.
On May 20th, I restated my ideal start date to be June 1st and *** confirmed this date on May 21st. However, *** contacted me on May 25th asking to speak with me by phone on May 29th, I told him I would be free to talk all day. I did not receive a call nor e-mail on May 29th. I received my final employment papers on May 30th from ****** and e-mailed *** to inform him of the papers and that I had not received a call from him.
He e-mailed late on May 30th informing me that the offer of employment was being retracted and gave no clear reasoning as to why. Note that this was less than 48 hours before my start date, well after I had committed to Riot Games by halting my pursuit of other jobs and moving to Santa Monica, even signing a one year lease. He said he would call me the next week to explain why the position was suddenly taken away from me. I agreed to the phonecall, but I received no future contact from him. It has been over a month and I still have not received an explanation as to why I was lead on only to have the position taken away from me in the last second.
I am shocked and appalled that this would be the professional behavior of an employee of Riot. This treatment has not only put me in great financial and emotional difficulty, but has also ruined my passion for a company that I had been putting myself into fully.
I was informed for months that I would be employed at Riot, then I was not even given a real explanation nor the formality of a phonecall when that opportunity was taken away from me. As this would have been my professional job, I am not receiving unemployment and spent the money I had saved up during my internships and previous jobs on moving to Santa Monica, which has put me in an extremely difficult financial position. While the hardship of my position due to this situation is distressing, that I was treated so poorly and unprofessionally makes this situation truly painful.
Thank You,
Renee Gittins I got only this as a reply: + Show Spoiler +Renee – I'm familiar with the situation and am sorry you had such a negative experience and that we fell short of your expectations here on a number of fronts. I hope things have gone well since this all transpired and that you've landed on your feet.
**** but like u said, they hadnt signed it yet, and they hadnt employed you full time yet...? idk seems like a big miscommunication, and it sounds like they were very terrible/rude/shitty in the way they handled it, but even then if you were subcontracted out... idk how much of a case you would have had in court? seems like someone was doing a favor, and then something happened so that they were no longer interested in making sure you received what was offered to you by said person. They had 100% offered me full time employment for 3 months as a contractor. The only thing left was to finish my paperwork on my first day. This wasn't a "favor." I was qualified for the position, I did 5+ hours of interviews and had a lunch with my supervisor in addition to those interviews (because he couldn't make them). Certainly, my connections there helped me get my foot in the door, but, after that, it was my own performance and qualifications that got me the job offer. I did not receive an offer from a singular person, I received a formal offer and employment package from Riot Games, the company. Why'd you sign a year lease for a 3 month contract?
Because, at the time of signing the lease, Serif had fulltime employment that was more than enough to support both of us. Not to mention, the 3 month contract was a "trial" period. And you can't really get a lease for less than a year in Santa Monica.
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