EPTOn May 23 2013 07:29 Waxangel wrote:
There was a rikublog, it was a good day. That reminded me of an old, old photo.
TL'ers at DreamHack
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There was a rikublog, it was a good day. That reminded me of an old, old photo.
TL'ers at DreamHack
I had to enlarge the image to see what you were getting at and then I saw it. lol
On May 24 2013 07:16 Riku wrote:
Because, at the time of signing the lease, Serif had fulltime employment that was more than enough to support both of us. Not to mention, the 3 month contract was a "trial" period. And you can't really get a lease for less than a year in Santa Monica.
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On May 24 2013 06:10 -Kaiser- wrote:
Why'd you sign a year lease for a 3 month contract?
On May 24 2013 01:20 Riku wrote:
They had 100% offered me full time employment for 3 months as a contractor. The only thing left was to finish my paperwork on my first day.
This wasn't a "favor." I was qualified for the position, I did 5+ hours of interviews and had a lunch with my supervisor in addition to those interviews (because he couldn't make them). Certainly, my connections there helped me get my foot in the door, but, after that, it was my own performance and qualifications that got me the job offer.
I did not receive an offer from a singular person, I received a formal offer and employment package from Riot Games, the company.
On May 23 2013 09:06 MaestroSC wrote:
but like u said, they hadnt signed it yet, and they hadnt employed you full time yet...?
idk seems like a big miscommunication, and it sounds like they were very terrible/rude/shitty in the way they handled it, but even then if you were subcontracted out... idk how much of a case you would have had in court?
seems like someone was doing a favor, and then something happened so that they were no longer interested in making sure you received what was offered to you by said person.
On May 23 2013 08:30 Riku wrote:
I think I still have the full contract somewhere around my house. It was a certain thing. Here is a bit of proof:
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And here is a complaint I sent after the incident:
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I got only this as a reply:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2013 03:34 MaestroSC wrote:
Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
Sounds like it was more of a mis-communication than anything else.
Someone promised something that they could not deliver/were not in a position to deliver.
It sounds like you moved and signed a new lease on a verbal agreement? And then found out that was promised could not be delivered?
Pure Speculation, completely made on assumptions, this is just what I think might have happened. Because businesses generally dont have you sign a contract, and wait for you to move, to try to tear up that contract, cause that is HUGELY illegal, and will result in a GIANT lawsuit.
I cant imagine, that they offered you a position, you signed a contract, and once you moved they told you there was no position for you.
It sounds like someone said "Come to Cali, we'll get you a job at Riot" and then you moved, signed a lease, and that person/people couldnt deliver.
Also Sidenote:
I dont know how its disturbing to know that people arent interested in hiring people who have a history of seeking legal action against their employers.
No matter how you look at it there is no reason that something like this should be ignored.
A. Person who sought action against the company was innocent. (Best case scenario). At the VERY best, you know that this person is willing to become a GIANT problem if you somehow offend or piss them off, even unintentionally.
B. The Person who sought action against the company was actually a problem. (Worst case scenario). This person is just a tantrum throwing, whistle blowing person who cant cut it/handle being a part of your industry, and is more than happy to go from annoyance to major issue.
C.The Person who sought action against the company is just high maintenance. (Every scenario). There is no positive way to look at the person who pursued legal action. Why couldnt that person get along like the other 100000 employees? Why is this the only person having this problem?
This isnt saying that this is the scenario, but as someone who is part of the hiring/firing process and one of the Higher up members of the company at which i work, this is pretty standard across ALL industries.
Nobody wants a high maintenance employee. Nobody wants to let in a potential problem. We want sheep who can get along with everything/everyone who bring the least risk possible.
and there will always be people who can do the job just as well, while remaining a non-problem.
I know I am going to get blasted for this, but i am nothing if not honest.
and i am very skeptical when it comes to ANY 1-of stories. "Riot is evil" by 1/10000 employees doesnt make much of a case. **This applies to ANY/EVERY company**
I think I still have the full contract somewhere around my house. It was a certain thing. Here is a bit of proof:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi Renee,
Please find attached the preliminary paper work in connection with your offer here at Riot Games. We’re excited to have you join us!
The most important document to get back to me asap is the “Release Form Background Check”. Your start date is contingent on a clear background check. Please sign, scan and email the documents requiring signatures (even pages that don’t require signatures) back to me as soon as you can...
Please find attached the preliminary paper work in connection with your offer here at Riot Games. We’re excited to have you join us!
The most important document to get back to me asap is the “Release Form Background Check”. Your start date is contingent on a clear background check. Please sign, scan and email the documents requiring signatures (even pages that don’t require signatures) back to me as soon as you can...
And here is a complaint I sent after the incident:
+ Show Spoiler +
Dear ****,
I would like to inform you of the unprofessional way I have been treated by Riot Games and, specifically, by ***.
I was told on March 30th, 2012 by ***** that I had been chosen to start at Riot Games as a Production Coordinator. At this time, I halted my search for other jobs to focus on my graduation and my future work at Riot. After learning ***** had left Riot, I contacted *** on April 20th, inquiring how to proceed with my employment. He replied to me that he would be handling my employment and that I would receive my paperwork the next week.
A week later, I had still not received the paperwork and I sent him an e-mail reminder, to which he replied the paperwork would come soon. A week after that (May 3rd), I had still not received any paperwork and e-mailed him again, to which I received no reply. While the last message I had received from him stated " I'm not sure what happened but I apologize. I'll email someone now and make sure you get squared away," I was informed by a member of the hiring staff that, in fact, *** had not signed the paperwork required and they were waiting on him to give me my paperwork. While I understand if there was some other reason he did not wish to sign my paperwork or if he forgot to sign a document, I found it unprofessional that, not only did he not keep me informed of the progress, but he also did not reply to two of my e-mails (one on May 3rd and one on May 6th) inquiring about the paperwork that I had been supposed to receive two weeks earlier.
On May 20th, I restated my ideal start date to be June 1st and *** confirmed this date on May 21st. However, *** contacted me on May 25th asking to speak with me by phone on May 29th, I told him I would be free to talk all day. I did not receive a call nor e-mail on May 29th. I received my final employment papers on May 30th from ****** and e-mailed *** to inform him of the papers and that I had not received a call from him.
He e-mailed late on May 30th informing me that the offer of employment was being retracted and gave no clear reasoning as to why. Note that this was less than 48 hours before my start date, well after I had committed to Riot Games by halting my pursuit of other jobs and moving to Santa Monica, even signing a one year lease. He said he would call me the next week to explain why the position was suddenly taken away from me. I agreed to the phonecall, but I received no future contact from him. It has been over a month and I still have not received an explanation as to why I was lead on only to have the position taken away from me in the last second.
I am shocked and appalled that this would be the professional behavior of an employee of Riot. This treatment has not only put me in great financial and emotional difficulty, but has also ruined my passion for a company that I had been putting myself into fully.
I was informed for months that I would be employed at Riot, then I was not even given a real explanation nor the formality of a phonecall when that opportunity was taken away from me. As this would have been my professional job, I am not receiving unemployment and spent the money I had saved up during my internships and previous jobs on moving to Santa Monica, which has put me in an extremely difficult financial position. While the hardship of my position due to this situation is distressing, that I was treated so poorly and unprofessionally makes this situation truly painful.
Thank You,
Renee Gittins
I would like to inform you of the unprofessional way I have been treated by Riot Games and, specifically, by ***.
I was told on March 30th, 2012 by ***** that I had been chosen to start at Riot Games as a Production Coordinator. At this time, I halted my search for other jobs to focus on my graduation and my future work at Riot. After learning ***** had left Riot, I contacted *** on April 20th, inquiring how to proceed with my employment. He replied to me that he would be handling my employment and that I would receive my paperwork the next week.
A week later, I had still not received the paperwork and I sent him an e-mail reminder, to which he replied the paperwork would come soon. A week after that (May 3rd), I had still not received any paperwork and e-mailed him again, to which I received no reply. While the last message I had received from him stated " I'm not sure what happened but I apologize. I'll email someone now and make sure you get squared away," I was informed by a member of the hiring staff that, in fact, *** had not signed the paperwork required and they were waiting on him to give me my paperwork. While I understand if there was some other reason he did not wish to sign my paperwork or if he forgot to sign a document, I found it unprofessional that, not only did he not keep me informed of the progress, but he also did not reply to two of my e-mails (one on May 3rd and one on May 6th) inquiring about the paperwork that I had been supposed to receive two weeks earlier.
On May 20th, I restated my ideal start date to be June 1st and *** confirmed this date on May 21st. However, *** contacted me on May 25th asking to speak with me by phone on May 29th, I told him I would be free to talk all day. I did not receive a call nor e-mail on May 29th. I received my final employment papers on May 30th from ****** and e-mailed *** to inform him of the papers and that I had not received a call from him.
He e-mailed late on May 30th informing me that the offer of employment was being retracted and gave no clear reasoning as to why. Note that this was less than 48 hours before my start date, well after I had committed to Riot Games by halting my pursuit of other jobs and moving to Santa Monica, even signing a one year lease. He said he would call me the next week to explain why the position was suddenly taken away from me. I agreed to the phonecall, but I received no future contact from him. It has been over a month and I still have not received an explanation as to why I was lead on only to have the position taken away from me in the last second.
I am shocked and appalled that this would be the professional behavior of an employee of Riot. This treatment has not only put me in great financial and emotional difficulty, but has also ruined my passion for a company that I had been putting myself into fully.
I was informed for months that I would be employed at Riot, then I was not even given a real explanation nor the formality of a phonecall when that opportunity was taken away from me. As this would have been my professional job, I am not receiving unemployment and spent the money I had saved up during my internships and previous jobs on moving to Santa Monica, which has put me in an extremely difficult financial position. While the hardship of my position due to this situation is distressing, that I was treated so poorly and unprofessionally makes this situation truly painful.
Thank You,
Renee Gittins
I got only this as a reply:
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Renee – I'm familiar with the situation and am sorry you had such a negative experience and that we fell short of your expectations here on a number of fronts. I hope things have gone well since this all transpired and that you've landed on your feet.
****
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but like u said, they hadnt signed it yet, and they hadnt employed you full time yet...?
idk seems like a big miscommunication, and it sounds like they were very terrible/rude/shitty in the way they handled it, but even then if you were subcontracted out... idk how much of a case you would have had in court?
seems like someone was doing a favor, and then something happened so that they were no longer interested in making sure you received what was offered to you by said person.
They had 100% offered me full time employment for 3 months as a contractor. The only thing left was to finish my paperwork on my first day.
This wasn't a "favor." I was qualified for the position, I did 5+ hours of interviews and had a lunch with my supervisor in addition to those interviews (because he couldn't make them). Certainly, my connections there helped me get my foot in the door, but, after that, it was my own performance and qualifications that got me the job offer.
I did not receive an offer from a singular person, I received a formal offer and employment package from Riot Games, the company.
Why'd you sign a year lease for a 3 month contract?
Because, at the time of signing the lease, Serif had fulltime employment that was more than enough to support both of us. Not to mention, the 3 month contract was a "trial" period. And you can't really get a lease for less than a year in Santa Monica.
When it comes to renting a place that's pretty standard across the board even in other countries.
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