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On August 21 2013 21:52 Schmobutzen wrote:
So, my quetsion to all: How do you decide?
do the Day-9 trick! Flip a coin, screw what the coin tells you to vote and vote whoever you ended up thinking "oh gosh I hope this thing lands on heads so I can vote for XXX" while in the air. Vote XXX and be happy.
If you have more than 2 options to vote for you probably need to make it some kind of tournament, best option would be with double elimination to make sure everyone get's a second chance and didn't just get an unlucky bo1 performace.
And advice from my point of view: Do that while still at home. Don't get in the voting booth with pen, paper & a coin. Instead have it done at home so you only go there and make your cross in the booth, already knowing what you're going to vote for!
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On August 21 2013 21:52 Schmobutzen wrote:
So, my quetsion to all: How do you decide?
I use the wal-o-mat from Spiegel online to compare the stances of 'my' direct candidates. Whoever has the least bullshit opinions gets my vote. I think last time it was actually the candidate from SPD, CSU candidate disqualified himself with very strong opinions on same-sex marriage, legalization of weed and some other things related to the internet. Some candidates however also disqualify themselves through party affiliation. I have no love for the left, the right, or the bible thumpers.
For my 2nd vote, I check the party agenda of the pirates and if it doesn't have too much outrageous stuff, they get it.
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the 'vote-o-meter' for the state elections in Bavaria is online: http://wahlomat.spiegel.de/bayern2013/
highest affinity for me is for FDP with 73%, 2nd place for the Pirates with 62%.
Last place for the two biggest parties, SPD and CSU with 43.5%
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Please take also into account the reliability of each party's statements - which is of course NOT considered in the "vote-o-meter". ;-)
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Going to vote AfD just to piss off the established parties.
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I am going to do my usaual stuff. I am gonna make my vote invalid myself. Still voted. If that would do everybody who doenst vote, that would be at least a statement.
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On August 23 2013 02:57 spaZps wrote:
I am going to do my usaual stuff. I am gonna make my vote invalid myself. Still voted. If that would do everybody who doenst vote, that would be at least a statement.
well yeah but you can't really expect people who don't care to show up for votes to do that and vote as "invalid". So in reality people who vote like that are people who would have voted to begin with (imo).
So it's not exactly a good thing to tell people to do that...
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I will vote for the AfD.
The ongoing support (called "credit", although it is a known fact, that we won't get the money back) for Greece and other countries is the wrong thing to do in my opinion. They should take some responsibility for their over the top government spending.
The German citizens are paying huge amounts of taxes, thanks to well working tax administration, while this kind of administration is not working in Greece, they are evading their tax payments. There was a statistic a few months ago, showing that the median acquired private property in Germany is lower than in most other European countries (also partly due to high tax payments), and this fact has been down played by media and politicians alike.
The private wealth in the southern European countries is there, they just are unable or unwilling to take it from their own citizens and Germany and other "rich" northern European countries are partly financing their government spendings.
In my opinion, we are paying for their public spendings, without having a right to vote - No taxation without representation.
Another American idea I like is the concept of self-responsibility, instead of "solidarity", which has been corrupted to the point of extortion here in Europe.
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Will propably vote Union or Green, haven't decided yet. I have some problems with both their programs but they strike me as the least bad options. Kudos for the OP, it's excellent 
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Die Linke here, no point in voting for something else.
SPD = CDU
FDP is old farts that want to support their CEO friends. The Greens are full with the children of said old farts and CEO's
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Do us all a favor and vote for AFD so we can topple the euro that is hurting the whole of Europe. This currency is too weak for Germany and too strong for everyone else, it's killing us.
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On August 23 2013 03:50 polarwolf wrote:
I will vote for the AfD.
The ongoing support (called "credit", although it is a known fact, that we won't get the money back) for Greece and other countries is the wrong thing to do in my opinion. They should take some responsibility for their over the top government spending.
The German citizens are paying huge amounts of taxes, thanks to well working tax administration, while this kind of administration is not working in Greece, they are evading their tax payments. There was a statistic a few months ago, showing that the median acquired private property in Germany is lower than in most other European countries (also partly due to high tax payments), and this fact has been down played by media and politicians alike.
The private wealth in the southern European countries is there, they just are unable or unwilling to take it from their own citizens and Germany and other "rich" northern European countries are partly financing their government spendings.
In my opinion, we are paying for their public spendings, without having a right to vote - No taxation without representation.
Another American idea I like is the concept of self-responsibility, instead of "solidarity", which has been corrupted to the point of extortion here in Europe.
You can have whatever opinion you desire on the German support for Greece.
However, your arguments are severely flawed and thus your conclusion blatantly wrong.
Just consider for a moment what factors other than "having more money" can contribute to the fact that "the median acquired private property" of one country's citizens is higher than that of another.
You have for example: property price. Property in Germany is extremely expensive in comparison to some other countries. From personal experience I can only give examples of Bulgaria, but it should explain what I have in mind. In Bulgaria you can get an old, small house outside of the cities for as little as €5k, In many cities you can find apartments as cheap as €5k-10k. Even in the capital where property prices are absurdly high for Bulgaria, you can find many ~90m² apartments for €30k-35k.
Now compare this to Germany, where you would struggle to find anything this size for less than €50k even in the most remote places. If you try to find something similar in a larger city you might easily have to pay 2 or 3 times more.
Another factor is mentality. From my experience, Germans don't have "owning private property" as a very high priority. Just looking at my previous school mates and their parents living situation, I cannot recall a single German family that tried to buy an own place. There was a family of 1st generation immigrants from Turkey, whose main priority was buying a house. They own a shitty 15 year old car and generally own nothing too fancy, but have invested in their own house. The same happened to a 1st generation Iranian immigrants. (Both families relied solely on one person working full-time as a regular employee without any kind of high education) On the other hand, the father of a friend of mine, who earned really well at least for 20 years, including several years with earnings well into 6 digits, never bought a home, but instead leased a new BMW/Mercedes every 2 years and bought a new Golf as a second car at some point.
The fact that tax evasion has been rampant in Greece for quite a while is another issue...
Anyway, I'd advise you to really reconsider who you want to vote for. I personally cannot see any reason to vote for the AfD, a party relying heavily on populist statements, and having a considerable member fraction of far right views. If you really do not want to vote for a mainstream party, consider at least the pirates...
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On August 23 2013 04:04 Skilledblob wrote:
Die Linke here, no point in voting for something else.
SPD = CDU
FDP is old farts that want to support their CEO friends. The Greens are full with the children of said old farts and CEO's
Are you serious?
Die Linke aren't fit to be real players in german politics, even they know that, that is why they make so many ridiculous claims, since they know they won't have to keep them because they will never be in power.
If you just want to protest atleast vote the pirates, voting Die Linke is of no consequence since no other party will ever be willing to coalate with them (SPD talks about it every time, but only to pressure the other parties, they know that they would never do it) and even IF they would suddenly get into power it would be nothing positive for germany.
I really hope that you were just joking.
On August 23 2013 05:34 ggrrg wrote:
Anyway, I'd advise you to really reconsider who you want to vote for. I personally cannot see any reason to vote for the AfD, a party relying heavily on populist statements, and having a considerable member fraction of far right views. If you really do not want to vote for a mainstream party, consider at least the pirates...
I wouldn't vote for them, but wasn't the party founded by economists?
That they have far right supporters makes sense since they are basically being against the same thing that far right parties would be against to use the fear of the people, but I don't think the leaders or many close under them should be put in the same group as far right politicians.
Then again I fervently ignored every newspaper article I saw about the AfD because I knew that they won't be too important (except maybe giving politicians an excuse to flirt with the idea of stopping the support of poorer countries, but they'd never go through with it anyway since they would have done it long ago if they could and I wouldn't have to read about them in particular to find out about that).
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the best "protest vote" is Die Partei anyway.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 23 2013 06:49 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 04:04 Skilledblob wrote:
Die Linke here, no point in voting for something else.
SPD = CDU
FDP is old farts that want to support their CEO friends. The Greens are full with the children of said old farts and CEO's Are you serious? Die Linke aren't fit to be real players in german politics, even they know that, that is why they make so many ridiculous claims, since they know they won't have to keep them because they will never be in power. If you just want to protest atleast vote the pirates, voting Die Linke is of no consequence since no other party will ever be willing to coalate with them (SPD talks about it every time, but only to pressure the other parties, they know that they would never do it) and even IF they would suddenly get into power it would be nothing positive for germany. I really hope that you were just joking. Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 05:34 ggrrg wrote:
Anyway, I'd advise you to really reconsider who you want to vote for. I personally cannot see any reason to vote for the AfD, a party relying heavily on populist statements, and having a considerable member fraction of far right views. If you really do not want to vote for a mainstream party, consider at least the pirates... I wouldn't vote for them, but wasn't the party founded by economists? That they have far right supporters makes sense since they are basically being against the same thing that far right parties would be against to use the fear of the people, but I don't think the leaders or many close under them should be put in the same group as far right politicians. Then again I fervently ignored every newspaper article I saw about the AfD because I knew that they won't be too important (except maybe giving politicians an excuse to flirt with the idea of stopping the support of poorer countries, but they'd never go through with it anyway since they would have done it long ago if they could and I wouldn't have to read about them in particular to find out about that).
your arrogance towards "Die Linke" is astounding.
and yes, AfD was founded by economists. however, there party naturally attracts nationalists etc.
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your arrogance towards "Die Linke" is astounding.
Either explain yourself, or don't post at all, the Linke is just not seen as a possible coalition partner above statelevel by any other party, they know it, the parties know it and you should know it too.
"Wealth for everybody" isn't exactly realistic.
and yes, AfD was founded by economists. however, there party naturally attracts nationalists etc.
Which is exactly what I said.
Next time try to bring atleast ONE piece of new information or explanation for what you state or just don't post at all, because you're not helping anybody here and do it with an attitude.
(I realise that my post isn't the nicest one I've ever written too, but I hate it when people just brush into the thread, make a statement or two or a one-liner, which doesn't help the thread or other people at all and is often insulting and just leave again afterwards.)
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I really hope that you were just joking.
calling every vote for Die Linke a joke is not only disrespectful but also, as i said, very arrogant.
first of all, you are missing the point. you can vote for a party not only because they will do a coaltion, but also because you want a good opposition. and in my opinion, Die Linke was quite a good one during the last years. (check out the amount of small requests by tDie Linke ( http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/kleine-anfragen-spd-liegt-hinter-der-opposition-zurueck-a-894333.html ). couple that with charismatic and smart politicans (gysi is probably one of the smartest in germany) and you have your answer.
and yes, i just agreed with you on the AfD.
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calling every vote for Die Linke a joke is not only disrespectful but also, as i said, very arrogant.
If you think I did that you need to read my post again.
first of all, you are missing the point.
You were making no point, neither was he, that's why you need to explain yourself on the internet.
I don't know how you get the idea that the pure quantity of that makes a good opposition, and no, I wouldn't call them "good" during the last few years, Die Linke may have disagreed with pretty much everyone on every topic ever and they asked the most written questions to the CDU over official channels, but even though you didn't even mention the first thing the second one alone surely doesn't make them a good opposition (the first one seemed kinda implied to me, forgive me if I'm wrong).
couple that with charismatic and smart politicans (gysi is probably one of the smartest in germany)
That is just so wrong that I'm not even going to get into that...
and yes, i just agreed with you on the AfD.
I'm happy about that, but I don't need +1-posts, especially when most of the rest of the post pretty much only consisted out of an insult to me.
I'd actually like to hear your reasons why you think Die Linke needs to become stronger, wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong on the internet or that I learned something here, but that party has never given me the slightest reason to call them competent politicians and even you have to admit that they talk about and promise a lot of completely ridiculous things.
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On August 23 2013 05:34 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:50 polarwolf wrote:
I will vote for the AfD.
The ongoing support (called "credit", although it is a known fact, that we won't get the money back) for Greece and other countries is the wrong thing to do in my opinion. They should take some responsibility for their over the top government spending.
The German citizens are paying huge amounts of taxes, thanks to well working tax administration, while this kind of administration is not working in Greece, they are evading their tax payments. There was a statistic a few months ago, showing that the median acquired private property in Germany is lower than in most other European countries (also partly due to high tax payments), and this fact has been down played by media and politicians alike.
The private wealth in the southern European countries is there, they just are unable or unwilling to take it from their own citizens and Germany and other "rich" northern European countries are partly financing their government spendings.
In my opinion, we are paying for their public spendings, without having a right to vote - No taxation without representation.
Another American idea I like is the concept of self-responsibility, instead of "solidarity", which has been corrupted to the point of extortion here in Europe. Anyway, I'd advise you to really reconsider who you want to vote for. I personally cannot see any reason to vote for the AfD, a party relying heavily on populist statements, and having a considerable member fraction of far right views.
Intruiging, ggrrg, intruiging. "having a considerable member fraction of far right views" in the party, it should be oh so easy to name just a single AfD official and post his corresponding far right statements or views. Enlighten me please.
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On August 23 2013 07:33 SilentchiLL wrote:
I'd actually like to hear your reasons why you think Die Linke needs to become stronger, wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong on the internet or that I learned something here, but that party has never given me the slightest reason to call them competent politicians and even you have to admit that they talk about and promise a lot of completely ridiculous things.
I also don't think 'Die Linke' is so bad, so i'll just take the freedom to give you my opinion. Importantly , they were the only party that did vote against the bailout packages, and thus, they were the only party trying to not socialize financial losses of the big players.
'Die Linke' also wants the wages to go up substantially, which is not only reasonable because many employees would profit from it, but because it will reduce our trade surplus (exporting more than importing a lot of stuff sounds pretty nice, but in fact from an economical standpoint is pretty stupid) which would also give the other European countries actually a chance to be able to compete with us.
Furthermore the party is progressive when it comes to social politics and does not propagate an image of society that could stem from the 50's.
They also despise selling guns and tanks to crazy despotic countries, which at least in my opinion, is kind of a reasonable position to take.
Intruiging, ggrrg, intruiging. "having a considerable member fraction of far right views" in the party, it should be oh so easy to name just a single AfD official and post his corresponding far right statements or views. Enlighten me please.
Bernd Lucke: "Ich glaube nicht, dass Jörg Haider ein Rechtsradikaler ist." (I don't believe Jörg Haider was a right-wing extremist)
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