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On August 20 2013 22:47 Daumen wrote:
Btw, why so much hate towards "The Left" ?
They gained some popularity with me thanks to Gregor Gysi's speeches.
He seems to understand how our failing Eco system works, doesnt he?
Minimum Wage, stop selling weapons to war waging countries, Stop Versailling Greece.
I know most people would say "its easy to shout from an oppositions point of view" but unless they have a chance to prove themselves they will never be able to prove themselves (wow, weird sentence). Also Gysi calls people on their bullshit in the Bundestag way more than others. :O
Prove me wrong plx, it will influence my Vote.
(this is not supposed to be a "Die Linke, fuck yeah" post, I just want to be more educated about them, ty)
Die Linke, has much more members than just Gregor Gysi (who might be sympathic, haven't payed much attention to them lately so I refrain from stating any opinion). Anyways, they attract attention with very exaggerated demands (which might or might not make it into their official program).
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it doesnt matter if they are exagerated. Making those demands is the whole point. Opening subjects to discussion is the job of a good opposition party. Not like the SPD who just sits on their asses and wait for mummy Merkel to invite them to a coalition again.
Die Linke gets a bad rep because of all those retarded kommunists that came from western germany when WASG and PDS combined.
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On August 18 2013 07:55 dismiss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:14 Dazed_Spy wrote:On August 18 2013 06:42 dismiss wrote:On August 18 2013 05:09 Dazed_Spy wrote:Are the FDP still polling terribly in Germany?  The FDP pulling bad results is just about the best thing that could happen, they have a terrible agenda regarding pretty much every important subject. If you're interested in recent survey results here's a pretty comprehensive list http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm They're the only party I find even remotely tolerable, though far too interventionist and illiberal for my tastes. Still, its Europe, you cant shoot for the moon. You might want to look more into the Green party, they're basically the same thing, except with fewer tax breaks for lawyers, dentists, and a little more crazy as well as an emphasis on environmental protection.
You couldn't be further from the truth. But on the otherhand you probably also know absolutely nothing about economics either.
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On August 20 2013 22:47 Daumen wrote:
Btw, why so much hate towards "The Left" ?
They gained some popularity with me thanks to Gregor Gysi's speeches.
He seems to understand how our failing Eco system works, doesnt he?
Minimum Wage, stop selling weapons to war waging countries, Stop Versailling Greece.
I know most people would say "its easy to shout from an oppositions point of view" but unless they have a chance to prove themselves they will never be able to prove themselves (wow, weird sentence). Also Gysi calls people on their bullshit in the Bundestag way more than others. :O
Prove me wrong plx, it will influence my Vote.
(this is not supposed to be a "Die Linke, fuck yeah" post, I just want to be more educated about them, ty)
take the time to actually read their 'Parteiprogramm'. Last time elections were around, I started on it and fairly soon I wasn't sure if they are delusional, if it's some kind of in-joke, or if just none of their voters actually bothered to read it.
some highlights from browsing through it right now: Pretty much all big companies will be - following a democratic process - shifted into ownership of their employees. Core infrastructure companies will not have to be operated to break even, but have to be available cheaply for the underprivileged. All private banks have to be transferred into state ownership. Any kind of financial transaction is to be discouraged through taxation. Exchange rates of currencies have to be fixed.
sounds like paradise on earth, doesn't it?
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BTW: Here you find current surveys ("Sonntagsfrage") by different institutes:
Klick
The last added data is from today. Concerning CDU/Greens (Black-Green coalition): I don't think neither party wants that. The conservatives in the CDU will be highly against that since of their positions on family politics and related stuff. The green party might also be afraid that such a coalition will hurt them as much as it did the SPD in 2005.
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Of course it sounds a bit strange if you look at the current reality we live in.
It is a nice contrast to current politics. Even if they ever got into the government they would never get such extreme positions through, but it would push the discussion into a more reasonable direction - eg. more social welfare, deprivatization of infrastructure, bank regulations, ..
If you read their party platform as a direction in which they want Germany to develop, it makes a lot more sense. You have to take into account that they are an opposition party and do not expect to take part in the government in the near future - even if they offer coalitions, that are more publicity stunts and trolling.
I personally do not agree with a lot of their positions (they go way too far) but in the current situation i see noone else adressing the standard left positions eg. caring for our neighbors and being a society.
We privatize our infrastrucure (see Die Bahn in Mainz, BER), take away the civil servant status from teachers etc. but when there are some banks going down suddenly there are billions of Euros to save them? Why are there nearly 50% royalties and taxes on family incomes but only 25% on stock profits? The gap between the rich and the poor is quickly growing. We develop away from a pay-as-you-go pension system (->Riesterrente) while the older people finance their pension on national dept which we young people will later have to pay back.
These are in my opinion serious wrong developments in our society which need to be fixed or at least mitigated.
Also, the Verfassungsschutz is observing them which makes them quite likeable in hindsight of the current surveillance scandals.
Just some points that make me seriously consider voting for Die Linke.
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It doesn't really matter who gets elected. It's just a game to keep the plebs thinking it was an actual democracy and to pretend they actually got to decide anything important.
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On August 21 2013 00:03 Rimstalker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 22:47 Daumen wrote:
Btw, why so much hate towards "The Left" ?
They gained some popularity with me thanks to Gregor Gysi's speeches.
He seems to understand how our failing Eco system works, doesnt he?
Minimum Wage, stop selling weapons to war waging countries, Stop Versailling Greece.
I know most people would say "its easy to shout from an oppositions point of view" but unless they have a chance to prove themselves they will never be able to prove themselves (wow, weird sentence). Also Gysi calls people on their bullshit in the Bundestag way more than others. :O
Prove me wrong plx, it will influence my Vote.
(this is not supposed to be a "Die Linke, fuck yeah" post, I just want to be more educated about them, ty) take the time to actually read their 'Parteiprogramm'. Last time elections were around, I started on it and fairly soon I wasn't sure if they are delusional, if it's some kind of in-joke, or if just none of their voters actually bothered to read it. some highlights from browsing through it right now: Pretty much all big companies will be - following a democratic process - shifted into ownership of their employees. Core infrastructure companies will not have to be operated to break even, but have to be available cheaply for the underprivileged. All private banks have to be transferred into state ownership. Any kind of financial transaction is to be discouraged through taxation. Exchange rates of currencies have to be fixed. sounds like paradise on earth, doesn't it?
Umsatzsteuer, we pay those taxes on almost everything, why not financial transactions? Rich Germans dont pay taxes anyways, they just move to Switzerland, the US or somewhere :o.
State owned Banks, Sweden has them, they were almost untouched by the bank crisis werent they? Banks go rampant, they need some kind of regulation, dont they? I mean why should the underprivileged buy them out?
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Ty grollicus, for your input but this, I dont understand:
On August 21 2013 00:47 Grollicus wrote:
Also, the Verfassungsschutz is observing them which makes them quite likeable in hindsight of the current surveillance scandals.
Why would that make them Likable? Because they are actually right and the State is afraid of them? Or because it was a thing to dislike the Linke, but now that we know the Surveillance in germany is quite scandalous so that we now know that Die Linke is actually not being Surveillanced for any good reasons?
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Hi Daumen,
I meant to say that if Die Linke had more influence over our intelligence services something like the arresting of Andrej Holm would propably not have happened. They have some experience with being under surveillance and would be opposed to that.
I don't really have an opinion weather or not there are good reasons to list Die Linke in the Verfassungsschutzbericht. But they seem to be a good candidate to retain (regain?) control over the various intelligence agencies.
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On August 21 2013 01:43 Daumen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 00:03 Rimstalker wrote:On August 20 2013 22:47 Daumen wrote:
Btw, why so much hate towards "The Left" ?
They gained some popularity with me thanks to Gregor Gysi's speeches.
He seems to understand how our failing Eco system works, doesnt he?
Minimum Wage, stop selling weapons to war waging countries, Stop Versailling Greece.
I know most people would say "its easy to shout from an oppositions point of view" but unless they have a chance to prove themselves they will never be able to prove themselves (wow, weird sentence). Also Gysi calls people on their bullshit in the Bundestag way more than others. :O
Prove me wrong plx, it will influence my Vote.
(this is not supposed to be a "Die Linke, fuck yeah" post, I just want to be more educated about them, ty) take the time to actually read their 'Parteiprogramm'. Last time elections were around, I started on it and fairly soon I wasn't sure if they are delusional, if it's some kind of in-joke, or if just none of their voters actually bothered to read it. some highlights from browsing through it right now: Pretty much all big companies will be - following a democratic process - shifted into ownership of their employees. Core infrastructure companies will not have to be operated to break even, but have to be available cheaply for the underprivileged. All private banks have to be transferred into state ownership. Any kind of financial transaction is to be discouraged through taxation. Exchange rates of currencies have to be fixed. sounds like paradise on earth, doesn't it? Umsatzsteuer, we pay those taxes on almost everything, why not financial transactions? Rich Germans dont pay taxes anyways, they just move to Switzerland, the US or somewhere :o. State owned Banks, Sweden has them, they were almost untouched by the bank crisis werent they? Banks go rampant, they need some kind of regulation, dont they? I mean why should the underprivileged buy them out?
For you, that stuff doesn't sound like a glorified DDR that can never work out and will end up in a huge, corrupt mess?
I'm currently suffering through my gf's home country (Argentina) becoming more and more socialistic, trying to end private banks, while buying votes from the lower social strata by giving them more unemployment money. It's a huge mess, and trying to get anything done is an unbelievable pain in the arse.
Here is a current article from the Spiegel about one of the socialist states in South America:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/sozialismus-in-venezuela-fuehrt-zu-knappheit-von-klopapier-und-milch-a-913020.html
edit: For more information on the pleasures of a leftist government: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corralito
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On August 21 2013 02:31 Rimstalker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:43 Daumen wrote:On August 21 2013 00:03 Rimstalker wrote:On August 20 2013 22:47 Daumen wrote:
Btw, why so much hate towards "The Left" ?
They gained some popularity with me thanks to Gregor Gysi's speeches.
He seems to understand how our failing Eco system works, doesnt he?
Minimum Wage, stop selling weapons to war waging countries, Stop Versailling Greece.
I know most people would say "its easy to shout from an oppositions point of view" but unless they have a chance to prove themselves they will never be able to prove themselves (wow, weird sentence). Also Gysi calls people on their bullshit in the Bundestag way more than others. :O
Prove me wrong plx, it will influence my Vote.
(this is not supposed to be a "Die Linke, fuck yeah" post, I just want to be more educated about them, ty) take the time to actually read their 'Parteiprogramm'. Last time elections were around, I started on it and fairly soon I wasn't sure if they are delusional, if it's some kind of in-joke, or if just none of their voters actually bothered to read it. some highlights from browsing through it right now: Pretty much all big companies will be - following a democratic process - shifted into ownership of their employees. Core infrastructure companies will not have to be operated to break even, but have to be available cheaply for the underprivileged. All private banks have to be transferred into state ownership. Any kind of financial transaction is to be discouraged through taxation. Exchange rates of currencies have to be fixed. sounds like paradise on earth, doesn't it? Umsatzsteuer, we pay those taxes on almost everything, why not financial transactions? Rich Germans dont pay taxes anyways, they just move to Switzerland, the US or somewhere :o. State owned Banks, Sweden has them, they were almost untouched by the bank crisis werent they? Banks go rampant, they need some kind of regulation, dont they? I mean why should the underprivileged buy them out? For you, that stuff doesn't sound like a glorified DDR that can never work out and will end up in a huge, corrupt mess? I'm currently suffering through my gf's home country (Argentina) becoming more and more socialistic, trying to end private banks, while buying votes from the lower social strata by giving them more unemployment money. It's a huge mess, and trying to get anything done is an unbelievable pain in the arse. Here is a current article from the Spiegel about one of the socialist states in South America: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/sozialismus-in-venezuela-fuehrt-zu-knappheit-von-klopapier-und-milch-a-913020.html
There is a difference between going hardcore socialism on the one hand and de-privatizing core infrastructure and keeping the banking sector in check on the other hand, imo. Unregulated, private banks haven't been doing too hot in the last few years. Considering they have been the loudest in singing the neo-liberal song of unchecked capitalism, they were quite quick in yelling for the state's help when they failed. If it wouldn't cost us all so much money, it'd be quite hillarious actually.
It has to be possible that a bank, that was mismanaged and has accumulated unbelievable amounts of debt, can go bankrupt. If we need more state banks and/or regulation to cover for their actual responsibility (providing the economy enough liquidity for an investment friendly environment) then so be it - the banking sector obviously fails at that role as it is.
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On August 21 2013 02:40 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:31 Rimstalker wrote:On August 21 2013 01:43 Daumen wrote:On August 21 2013 00:03 Rimstalker wrote:On August 20 2013 22:47 Daumen wrote:
Btw, why so much hate towards "The Left" ?
They gained some popularity with me thanks to Gregor Gysi's speeches.
He seems to understand how our failing Eco system works, doesnt he?
Minimum Wage, stop selling weapons to war waging countries, Stop Versailling Greece.
I know most people would say "its easy to shout from an oppositions point of view" but unless they have a chance to prove themselves they will never be able to prove themselves (wow, weird sentence). Also Gysi calls people on their bullshit in the Bundestag way more than others. :O
Prove me wrong plx, it will influence my Vote.
(this is not supposed to be a "Die Linke, fuck yeah" post, I just want to be more educated about them, ty) take the time to actually read their 'Parteiprogramm'. Last time elections were around, I started on it and fairly soon I wasn't sure if they are delusional, if it's some kind of in-joke, or if just none of their voters actually bothered to read it. some highlights from browsing through it right now: Pretty much all big companies will be - following a democratic process - shifted into ownership of their employees. Core infrastructure companies will not have to be operated to break even, but have to be available cheaply for the underprivileged. All private banks have to be transferred into state ownership. Any kind of financial transaction is to be discouraged through taxation. Exchange rates of currencies have to be fixed. sounds like paradise on earth, doesn't it? Umsatzsteuer, we pay those taxes on almost everything, why not financial transactions? Rich Germans dont pay taxes anyways, they just move to Switzerland, the US or somewhere :o. State owned Banks, Sweden has them, they were almost untouched by the bank crisis werent they? Banks go rampant, they need some kind of regulation, dont they? I mean why should the underprivileged buy them out? For you, that stuff doesn't sound like a glorified DDR that can never work out and will end up in a huge, corrupt mess? I'm currently suffering through my gf's home country (Argentina) becoming more and more socialistic, trying to end private banks, while buying votes from the lower social strata by giving them more unemployment money. It's a huge mess, and trying to get anything done is an unbelievable pain in the arse. Here is a current article from the Spiegel about one of the socialist states in South America: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/sozialismus-in-venezuela-fuehrt-zu-knappheit-von-klopapier-und-milch-a-913020.html There is a difference between going hardcore socialism on the one hand and de-privatizing core infrastructure and keeping the banking sector in check on the other hand, imo. Unregulated, private banks haven't been doing too hot in the last few years. Considering they have been the loudest in singing the neo-liberal song of unchecked capitalism, they were quite quick in yelling for the state's help when they failed. If it wouldn't cost us all so much money, it'd be quite hillarious actually. It has to be possible that a bank, that was mismanaged and has accumulated unbelievable amounts of debt, can go bankrupt. If we need more state banks and/or regulation to cover for their actual responsibility (providing the economy enough liquidity for an investment friendly environment) then so be it - the banking sector obviously fails at that role as it is.
What can I say? 'My' bank doesn't offer or do fancy investing, it also doesn't run any ads with celebrities I am aware of and I think they weathered the financial crisis without any problems. Voting with your wallet usually works quite well.
And you really, really, really do not want to have to jump through the hoops of a quasi state-owned banking system or the state meddling too much in the banking system. My gf pays a 20% 'government fee' if she pays with her card anywhere outside Argentina. If her bank account ever holds more than a certain amount (like 2k euro or so), she will get audited by some government agency. If you want to exchange money, you need government approval (which is not granted in most cases).
Are you ready to have all your financial transactions scrutinized by some apparatchik?
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I'd like to point out that we have plenty of state owned banks in Germany too, and among them happened to be the ones that were hit worst by the crisis, HSH Nordbank and BayernLB.
That doesn't mean that there wasn't a lot wrong with how the financial crisis developed, but it's not as easy as simply crying for state owned banks.
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On August 21 2013 02:40 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:31 Rimstalker wrote:On August 21 2013 01:43 Daumen wrote:On August 21 2013 00:03 Rimstalker wrote:On August 20 2013 22:47 Daumen wrote:
Btw, why so much hate towards "The Left" ?
They gained some popularity with me thanks to Gregor Gysi's speeches.
He seems to understand how our failing Eco system works, doesnt he?
Minimum Wage, stop selling weapons to war waging countries, Stop Versailling Greece.
I know most people would say "its easy to shout from an oppositions point of view" but unless they have a chance to prove themselves they will never be able to prove themselves (wow, weird sentence). Also Gysi calls people on their bullshit in the Bundestag way more than others. :O
Prove me wrong plx, it will influence my Vote.
(this is not supposed to be a "Die Linke, fuck yeah" post, I just want to be more educated about them, ty) take the time to actually read their 'Parteiprogramm'. Last time elections were around, I started on it and fairly soon I wasn't sure if they are delusional, if it's some kind of in-joke, or if just none of their voters actually bothered to read it. some highlights from browsing through it right now: Pretty much all big companies will be - following a democratic process - shifted into ownership of their employees. Core infrastructure companies will not have to be operated to break even, but have to be available cheaply for the underprivileged. All private banks have to be transferred into state ownership. Any kind of financial transaction is to be discouraged through taxation. Exchange rates of currencies have to be fixed. sounds like paradise on earth, doesn't it? Umsatzsteuer, we pay those taxes on almost everything, why not financial transactions? Rich Germans dont pay taxes anyways, they just move to Switzerland, the US or somewhere :o. State owned Banks, Sweden has them, they were almost untouched by the bank crisis werent they? Banks go rampant, they need some kind of regulation, dont they? I mean why should the underprivileged buy them out? For you, that stuff doesn't sound like a glorified DDR that can never work out and will end up in a huge, corrupt mess? I'm currently suffering through my gf's home country (Argentina) becoming more and more socialistic, trying to end private banks, while buying votes from the lower social strata by giving them more unemployment money. It's a huge mess, and trying to get anything done is an unbelievable pain in the arse. Here is a current article from the Spiegel about one of the socialist states in South America: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/sozialismus-in-venezuela-fuehrt-zu-knappheit-von-klopapier-und-milch-a-913020.html There is a difference between going hardcore socialism on the one hand and de-privatizing core infrastructure and keeping the banking sector in check on the other hand, imo. Unregulated, private banks haven't been doing too hot in the last few years. Considering they have been the loudest in singing the neo-liberal song of unchecked capitalism, they were quite quick in yelling for the state's help when they failed. If it wouldn't cost us all so much money, it'd be quite hillarious actually. It has to be possible that a bank, that was mismanaged and has accumulated unbelievable amounts of debt, can go bankrupt. If we need more state banks and/or regulation to cover for their actual responsibility (providing the economy enough liquidity for an investment friendly environment) then so be it - the banking sector obviously fails at that role as it is.
Well, please keep in mind that it was the state-owned banks (West LB, Bayern Bank etc.) which had the biggest problems while Deutsche Bank, the largest private bank, had little problems at all during the financial crisis, so I think de-privatizion alone might not be the solution.
My main problem with Die Linke, at least in the last election, was not that their program and their campaign was leftist, IMO it was pure populism - same thing as the FDP only from the other side. I will never get why these two parties got so many votes with their populist slogans, while CDU and SPD lost so many seats besides their good and, compared to other nations, very successful management of the hole economic situation back then.
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Germany now has a real bank owned and safed by the people (not sure they shoud be happy with it)
Coba (commerz bank) emitted tons of shares recently wich where mostly bought by german small private investors.
Instead of the german state having to pay for the nationalisation the public paid for it (wich is the same) though the public at least got ownership and control in return.In the end the difference with the state buying out the bank isnt that big i think.
Letting a bank go bankrupt wont safe the government alot of monney btw, they will have to pay out all guaranteed deposits (wich is 100k per captiva in germany i believe) and wich will probably cost more then bailing out the bank and waiting for better times.
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On August 20 2013 22:12 Jelissei wrote:very nice post! just to clarify though: The SPD has a social-democratic tradition. Not a socialist tradition. With the assistance of the old kaiserliche Armee (royal army) they actually fought the socialists in 1918/19 to gain power in Germany.
To someone from the political Right that is mostly semantics. And still there is nothing wrong with what I wrote there; the SPD is older than 1918, and historically was a socialist party in every sense of the word. It was even called Socialist Workers Party of Germany before renaming to SPD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany
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I realise that this is mostly blog stuff, but here it is anyways:
Maybe thats just me, my history and personality, but I am very confused and in a state of sadness and anger that at this moment the decision where to put my two votes feels like seeing myself playing in a Monthy Python scene, while realising that this is actually real life. At least Monthy Python was sensical nonsense!
Most of the posts already observed that the three big parties are nearly identical, with flavors in the corners and of the weeks. In various online surveys, which party suits my point of views the most, I often found myself with Die Grünen. But I hate their lack of vision and reverie. That may sound counterintuitiv, but look closely at their profile and you will most of the time stare into a dark reallity which is only made visible by their own light and it all reminds me of the stick and the carrot. The Linke is the most interesting, they have an alternative model of society, at the same time their pitfall because of the ideology that leads them into that model, which is and will always be their blinding spot, making them never real open minded. The Piraten and the AfD are not yet out of a polemic state of affair and thats why nearly void in substance.
How is to decide? What to do? How to make that decision meaningfull? You really can not go with the programs, because high profile politicians even said that those are not that helpfull. But than what to do? Granted, it is only one of many elections in my life. Or, it is just a god damn election! But there is this nagging feeling of: let me participate, let me be a good citizen, let me rule with all the others. Give sense to my political life. Give sense to my life. Let me feel important. Let me feel self-efficacy. Why do I feel so powerless? You won't get this with an election!
God, it is just a damn election!
To counter theese feelings, that came in various levels throughout my political life during Wahlzeit, I developed strange strategies, I flunked elections, I crossed my Wahlzettel, to make it not count - and in that process got myself called an irresponsible former GDR citizen -, I made my choices based on the attractiveness of the candidates - Cornelia Pieper (FDP) seemed to me as always an impeded MILF - or, and that was by far my best try, to make a vote because I knew the candidate very well and she - Claudia Dalbert (Die Grünen) - impressed me because of her human personality and vitality.
This time I don't know and the bad feelings are more present then ever.
So, my quetsion to all: How do you decide?
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On August 21 2013 21:52 Schmobutzen wrote:
I realise that this is mostly blog stuff, but here it is anyways:
Maybe thats just me, my history and personality, but I am very confused and in a state of sadness and anger that at this moment the decision where to put my two votes feels like seeing myself playing in a Monthy Python scene, while realising that this is actually real life. At least Monthy Python was sensical nonsense!
Most of the posts already observed that the three big parties are nearly identical, with flavors in the corners and of the weeks. In various online surveys, which party suits my point of views the most, I often found myself with Die Grünen. But I hate their lack of vision and reverie. That may sound counterintuitiv, but look closely at their profile and you will most of the time stare into a dark reallity which is only made visible by their own light and it all reminds me of the stick and the carrot. The Linke is the most interesting, they have an alternative model of society, at the same time their pitfall because of the ideology that leads them into that model, which is and will always be their blinding spot, making them never real open minded. The Piraten and the AfD are not yet out of a polemic state of affair and thats why nearly void in substance.
How is to decide? What to do? How to make that decision meaningfull? You really can not go with the programs, because high profile politicians even said that those are not that helpfull. But than what to do? Granted, it is only one of many elections in my life. Or, it is just a god damn election! But there is this nagging feeling of: let me participate, let me be a good citizen, let me rule with all the others. Give sense to my political life. Give sense to my life. Let me feel important. Let me feel self-efficacy. Why do I feel so powerless? You won't get this with an election!
God, it is just a damn election!
To counter theese feelings, that came in various levels throughout my political life during Wahlzeit, I developed strange strategies, I flunked elections, I crossed my Wahlzettel, to make it not count - and in that process got myself called an irresponsible former GDR citizen -, I made my choices based on the attractiveness of the candidates - Cornelia Pieper (FDP) seemed to me as always an impeded MILF - or, and that was by far my best try, to make a vote because I knew the candidate very well and she - Claudia Dalbert (Die Grünen) - impressed me because of her human personality and vitality.
This time I don't know and the bad feelings are more present then ever.
So, my quetsion to all: How do you decide?
Find solace in the thought that no matter how you vote, your one single vote will not decide anything. 
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On August 21 2013 21:52 Schmobutzen wrote:
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So, my quetsion to all: How do you decide?
I do not decide which party I vote for, I decide which party I do not vote for. And if I am lucky, there is still a party left on the list!
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