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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
March 20 2013 22:48 GMT
#1
After reading Azera's excellent blog (read it if you haven't already) I felt I should share some accumulated insights about being an undergrad I've picked up through a combination of experience, observation, and dumb luck.

Of course, these insights are of no use to me, personally, anymore, since I've been out of le moulin diplôme for almost three years now. But they might be of use to some people who are still in there or haven't started yet... or, who, for some crazed reason, want to go back.



Pretty much all these tips are going to revolve around one central question: figuring out how to graduate with a minimum of regrets in terms of missed opportunities for fun and a good start (professional, technical, moral, intellectual, social, etc.) for the rest of your adult life. These two goals aren't necessarily synced, nor are they opposed; they're orthogonal, which means you're going to have to allocate your effort, time, and money (in that order in how much each affects your chances of fulfilling the goal) between them.

1. Don't do things half-assed - I knew a girl in college who wanted to become a banker due to familial pressure. She didn't know whether she really wanted to be a banker deep down inside, but figured she should give it a shot. In her third year, she did an easy stint at a lightweight boutique, thought that's what finance was all about, and said she liked it. She got a hardcore job after graduation in the IBD bowels of some New York bulge bracket, did not fit well. Suffered a ton. Gained twenty pounds in nine months, cried herself to sleep three nights every week, decided she hated banking, had an existential crisis, decided she loved working for nonprofits instead. Trouble is, by that time, her attitudes towards rich and poor were pretty warped and she wound up getting kicked out of a non-profit consulting firm for making some fairly rude remarks about race and economic 'performance' on an email that got forwarded to, of all people, the chairwoman of the NAACP. Her story ends on a bright note though: our heroine ended up working for the IMF.

The lesson here is that you shouldn't do something halfway because you won't be able to figure out whether you really like it or not. The only way to figure out whether you really like what you 'want' to do is if you put the pedal to the metal and invite the world to take a shit on you via your chosen path. Otherwise you might not figure out whether the sacrifices you'll have to make are worth it. And believe me, everything you'll want to do will come with sacrifices.

2. Do try a lot of things out, though - Don't take #1 to mean you shouldn't dabble in a bunch of things. You should dabble in anything and everything that sparks your interest, because otherwise you might miss out on that one questline (closing multi-billion dollar deals! doing cool software projects! being the first guy in the NSA to speedily crack 8192-bit encryption! writing a movie that takes nine Oscars!) you're willing to give up sleep, romantic prospects, and parts of your mental health for. I say this, because if you've graduated but you haven't figured out what gets your juices going yet, you've probably missed one of the best chances in life to figure that out.

I don't mean you need to figure out exactly what career you want to be (you won't know that until you start working for a while, in all likelihood) but you'll need to know what you like to do (do I like meeting and getting to know new people? speaking in front of a crowd? creating artistic content? counting things? crunching and estimating things to draw up a game plan? taking clear orders in a hierarchical bureaucracy, or working in a loosely organized crew, or simply being a freelancer/lone wolf?) And please don't end up as that boring cliche who will enjoy doing anything for a six-figure salary--society has enough of those people, you don't need to add another puff of PM 2.5 to the moral pollution.

3. Get good at it - This relates back to #1. But instead of trying to seek 'hardcoreness' here, you're trying to seek expertise. You really won't figure out whether you like something or not until you hit that plateau of proficiency, so seek to get really good at whatever it is you are interested in. This is something I wish I'd done more of in college--I was satisfied at being mediocre in a bunch of things, and only now am I realizing that had I really drilled down and tried to become a master at a few things I could have become a much better person.



Now, so far, a lot of what I've talked about revolves around career stuff. That's only half the battle. The other half is about finding emotional fulfillment AKA love.

Yep, you heard me right. You'll miss out on a lot of what it means to be human if you die without ever having given yourself over to somebody heart, body, and soul.

4. Sleep around a lot - This relates back to the dabbling thing I talked about earlier, as well as the half-assed thing as well. You're not going to figure out whether you like somebody without literally going all the way with them, and you probably should get to know a lot of people in that sense before you settle down on that one person. The reason you should do this in college (and not, say, in your mid-twenties) is because college is the last time on earth when you more than 80% of your lays are going to involve a superficial emotional or financial commitment. Past college, most times you sleep with somebody, there's going to be an implicit romantic or financial string attached, no matter how hard you try to deny it. So dick around, it won't hurt anybody (as long as you don't catch an STD or knock somebody up). Because hey, nothing is cooler than realizing that hot Georgian chick who lived down the hall who you banged six times over ten days is now married to the son of a Russian oligarch--you got to rent, for free, what that bastard just signed over X/2 to buy, where X is the net assets under the jurisdiction of the hypothetical divorce court.

5. Learn how to make other people love you - The old saw that men and women approach relationships differently is partly true. A more accurate description would be that everybody approaches relationships differently. Every person has their own unique set of preferences, their unique set of pleasure buttons and pet peeves, when it comes to dating. These things can't really be generalized in words, but depend more on a set of nonverbal intuitions--a sort of 'feel'. So get that 'feel' right. Learn exactly what to say and how to act to make somebody fall for you from the appetizer at an overpriced downtown restaurant all the way to breakfast in bed. As you may have already guessed, I've found food usually works for me, but you might discover other methods.

The trick here is that you should always seek to improve on a rational basis. Evaluate every single performance from the eye of a film critic--was it believable? could there have been scenes or dialogue that were played better? could it have been shortened and still delivered all the required plot points? could the production budget have been cut down--did you really need all those special effects and expensive props? etc. And constantly seek to better your game.

6. At the same time, remember who you really are - Don't lose track of your inner self amidst the posturing that goes on to get laid. Remember that at the end of the day Mr. or Mrs. Right has to wake up next to you at 6:30 AM every Monday for a long time. At 6:30 AM on a Monday, I can't fake anything worth shit, and you probably can't, either. You'll need to make sure that special somebody fits with the real you, not some fake perception of you. Generally, the real you is the you that requires a minimal amount of effort to maintain from a social interaction and critical thinking perspective. Basically, if #5 tells you to become Casanova on E, #6 is about becoming Homer Simpson on donuts. So at a certain point (usually after a month, or if you're a guy, whenever your new gf goes into 'temporary maintenance') you can start dropping hints of the real you on her. I start with farting in bed and go up from there, but you might find that a little too daunting, in which case, that's fine, you're just a whipped little pussy and you should tell him/her that--better he/she finds out about the real you, right?

7. If you find that one person, don't let him or her go - I'm not going to repeat myself, so if you'd like to know more about the logic here, you should read some of my other blog posts.



Okay, you've got that great career questline, and you have your maiden/warrior to accompany you. Now what? Now comes enlightenment.

8. Try assorted chemical substances - College is the last safe time you'll have to get high. It takes around 90 days, at most, for most drug residues to disappear from your body. (90 days is for hair samples--it might be shorter for urine, saliva, or blood). A lot of decent jobs require a drug test for admission, and you don't want to have 90-day stretches of unemployment after college... but in college, you can plan out your 420 timetable so that by the time you need to pee into a cup you're completely clean.

9. Learn to write and pick up a sense of wit - Try writing a piece of fiction, no matter how boring or stupid it may seem. It'll be a ton of fun and you'll learn about human nature. Also, writing (and speaking) well is a requirement for nearly any career. Wit is also a wonderful way to lubricate basic social interactions, and turn the unbearably awkward into the almost passable.

10. Pick up a sense of self-criticism - It's easy to become wrapped up with yourself in college. Pick up a habit of giving yourself a 'reason you suck' speech every single night, before you go to bed. Self-reflection is essential for figuring out how to become a better person. As a bonus, you'll get gripping, emotionally-charged dreams/nightmares that leave you a shivering ball of tears and laughter when you wake up.



Social stuff:

11. Help people you know succeed - Don't let jealousy get in the way of actively helping those you know succeed. Indeed, you should make it so that you would rather people you know--even if you don't like those people--succeed, since the more successful people you'll know, the better the rest of your life will become. This is something I must emphasize for the Chinese/Koreans/Taiwanese/Singaporeans here, because it seems to me a lot of us have this very lonely, singular, and hypercompetitive definition of 'success' that almost requires us to tear each other down. Don't fall into that cultural trap. Fight it.

12. Keep in touch with everybody and get to know as many people as you can - Seriously, don't be a hermit. And more than that, get to know people from a broad spectrum of society--jocks, stoners, geeks, loners, etc. You'll need to deal with all these groups of people in one way or another after you graduate, so why not practice in a low-pressure setting?



That's pretty much all for now. If any TLers have other tidbits, feel free to leave 'em below--would be highly interested, thanks!

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Что?
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
March 20 2013 22:56 GMT
#2
I'm going to college soon, and apart from #4, I think I'll be trying almost all of these when I go to college. College is definitely a time for self-exploration :D.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
March 20 2013 23:08 GMT
#3
In college I played AD&D (2nd edition!) on friday and saturday nights in the dorm basement. Of my 9 member D&D expedition, 5 are married now, 4 with kids, and the other 4 are pretty much nerds making bank.

So even if you have no hope all the way from highschool thru college, never getting drunk, skipping parties like they were the plague, and epic failing with women, chances are you will still make bank, or have negative bank (kids).
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 20 2013 23:23 GMT
#4
I can't tell if I love this advice or hate it. I agree with pretty much everything but sections 4-6 just come off so impersonal and self centred that it creates such a cognitive dissonance in me :\

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don't do drugs kids
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
March 21 2013 00:21 GMT
#5
On March 21 2013 08:08 Burrfoot wrote:
In college I played AD&D (2nd edition!) on friday and saturday nights in the dorm basement. Of my 9 member D&D expedition, 5 are married now, 4 with kids, and the other 4 are pretty much nerds making bank.

So even if you have no hope all the way from highschool thru college, never getting drunk, skipping parties like they were the plague, and epic failing with women, chances are you will still make bank, or have negative bank (kids).


Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
March 21 2013 00:48 GMT
#6
13. Skipping classes to ladder is okay.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
March 21 2013 00:51 GMT
#7
On March 21 2013 09:48 Lexpar wrote:
13. Skipping classes to ladder is okay.

Lol.... I did this today. Feel pretty terrible but I don't think I'll fail any classes
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
March 21 2013 00:56 GMT
#8
7a. If she likes Daft Punk, she's the one.
7b. Don't worry, everyone gets UTIs now and then.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
March 21 2013 01:13 GMT
#9
11. Help people you know succeed
Yes, I've been preaching this for so long.
I like having rich friends.
Meadowlark
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States349 Posts
March 21 2013 01:37 GMT
#10
I'm pretty excited for school and to be able to try more things. Not really sure how much I'll be doing 4 and 8 though .
''Three bottles of Monster in a day; I'm pumped as fuck." -Stephano
sths
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Australia192 Posts
March 21 2013 01:51 GMT
#11
More details on 5 please. Don't link me to books ie:Dale Carnegie. Personal experiences :D

Also,
"Her story ends on a bright note though: our heroine ended up working for the IMF."

Someone told her what the IMF(International mfkers) does right.....right??
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
March 21 2013 01:55 GMT
#12
come on man, don't do drugs
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
March 21 2013 01:59 GMT
#13
8 2d ed. Try assorted chemical substances - College is the last safe time you'll have to get high. It takes around 90 days, at most, for most drug residues to disappear from your body. (90 days is for hair samples--it might be shorter for urine, saliva, or blood). A lot of decent jobs require a drug test for admission, and you don't want to have 90-day stretches of unemployment after college... but in college, you can plan out your 420 timetable so that by the time you need to pee into a cup you're completely clean. Winners don't do drugs (the new catplanetcatplanet amendment)
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
March 21 2013 02:28 GMT
#14
Haha, thanks for the advice. I'll keep these in mind for when I get into college. Cheers!

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nutgirdle
Profile Joined May 2012
United States10 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 03:03:37
March 21 2013 02:49 GMT
#15
I'm not sure I agree with all of this. Instead of a long, point-by-point rebuttal, I'll just make a few comments.

I agree on getting good at something- diving in, going balls-deep into some project in order to know if you like it or not. That experience made me realize my path in undergrad was not the correct one, and I'm now pursuing a graduate degree which is much more closely aligned with my interests. I also found a wife and played football (American) along the way. That leads me to my next agreement.

Have something else going on- dabble somewhere else to keep you sane. Great advice.

That might be all I really agree with. Some of the other points just say to me "Try and be a massive dickbag, because this is the last time you have a chance to get away with it."

Anyway, my take home point is- go to college and become a responsible adult.

Post-post edit: This is a bit strong. Most of my criticism is at the early points made. Self-reflection and networking are obviously good things to do.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
March 21 2013 03:09 GMT
#16
On March 21 2013 10:59 Lexpar wrote:
8 2d ed. Try assorted chemical substances - College is the last safe time you'll have to get high. It takes around 90 days, at most, for most drug residues to disappear from your body. (90 days is for hair samples--it might be shorter for urine, saliva, or blood). A lot of decent jobs require a drug test for admission, and you don't want to have 90-day stretches of unemployment after college... but in college, you can plan out your 420 timetable so that by the time you need to pee into a cup you're completely clean. Winners don't do drugs (the new catplanetcatplanet amendment)

ya that.
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
March 21 2013 04:08 GMT
#17
On March 21 2013 12:09 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 10:59 Lexpar wrote:
8 2d ed. Try assorted chemical substances - College is the last safe time you'll have to get high. It takes around 90 days, at most, for most drug residues to disappear from your body. (90 days is for hair samples--it might be shorter for urine, saliva, or blood). A lot of decent jobs require a drug test for admission, and you don't want to have 90-day stretches of unemployment after college... but in college, you can plan out your 420 timetable so that by the time you need to pee into a cup you're completely clean. Winners don't do drugs (the new catplanetcatplanet amendment)

ya that.

i dont see whats wrong with trying weed or a cigarette. college really is the best time to try it. shadysands isnt advocating that you get hooked on drugs. having the experience of knowing what getting high is like, what smoking a cigarette is like, is valuable. you understand it more, and you can make an informed decision on whether you should do it or not. one time isn't going to harm you any more than many other things in life that people already do.

just talking about stuff like weed. shit like heroin is a different story. never do that.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
March 21 2013 04:24 GMT
#18
On March 21 2013 13:08 ieatkids5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 12:09 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On March 21 2013 10:59 Lexpar wrote:
8 2d ed. Try assorted chemical substances - College is the last safe time you'll have to get high. It takes around 90 days, at most, for most drug residues to disappear from your body. (90 days is for hair samples--it might be shorter for urine, saliva, or blood). A lot of decent jobs require a drug test for admission, and you don't want to have 90-day stretches of unemployment after college... but in college, you can plan out your 420 timetable so that by the time you need to pee into a cup you're completely clean. Winners don't do drugs (the new catplanetcatplanet amendment)

ya that.

i dont see whats wrong with trying weed or a cigarette. college really is the best time to try it. shadysands isnt advocating that you get hooked on drugs. having the experience of knowing what getting high is like, what smoking a cigarette is like, is valuable. you understand it more, and you can make an informed decision on whether you should do it or not. one time isn't going to harm you any more than many other things in life that people already do.

just talking about stuff like weed. shit like heroin is a different story. never do that.

In my experience, there is nothing wrong with doing it once to see if it is for you. What is wrong is getting mixed up in the wrong crowd and moving from simple drugs to harder drugs. College is a very easy time to do that, especially for kids I've known. I don't want to be that kid that buys drugs from highschool dealers lol and has to beg them for their stuff as a college kid .
User was warned for too many mimes.
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
March 21 2013 04:38 GMT
#19
On March 21 2013 13:08 ieatkids5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 12:09 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On March 21 2013 10:59 Lexpar wrote:
8 2d ed. Try assorted chemical substances - College is the last safe time you'll have to get high. It takes around 90 days, at most, for most drug residues to disappear from your body. (90 days is for hair samples--it might be shorter for urine, saliva, or blood). A lot of decent jobs require a drug test for admission, and you don't want to have 90-day stretches of unemployment after college... but in college, you can plan out your 420 timetable so that by the time you need to pee into a cup you're completely clean. Winners don't do drugs (the new catplanetcatplanet amendment)

ya that.

i dont see whats wrong with trying weed or a cigarette. college really is the best time to try it. shadysands isnt advocating that you get hooked on drugs. having the experience of knowing what getting high is like, what smoking a cigarette is like, is valuable. you understand it more, and you can make an informed decision on whether you should do it or not. one time isn't going to harm you any more than many other things in life that people already do.

just talking about stuff like weed. shit like heroin is a different story. never do that.


How can you understand heroin and make an informed decision about whether you should do it or not without trying?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
March 21 2013 04:47 GMT
#20
^ so many hashtags...

anyway thanks shady, perfect breather for me before my last final tomorrow -.-
lol orthogonal, just had to do some cross products lol llv x wll ;_;
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