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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote: I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 07 2013 02:07 AoN.DimSum wrote: paleo isnt low carb, its about food quality. I understand that, but the meals the OP are describing are just a shitload of meat and protein, with occasional frozen vegetables. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On March 07 2013 03:53 Jibba wrote: I understand that, but the meals the OP are describing are just a shitload of meat and protein, with occasional frozen vegetables. Not nitpicking here but beans are everything but low-carb. Red beans for example are LOADED. | ||
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PiGStarcraft
Australia987 Posts
On March 07 2013 03:53 Jibba wrote: I understand that, but the meals the OP are describing are just a shitload of meat and protein, with occasional frozen vegetables. 200gm of frozen vegetables (good quality ones) + whatever leftovers I have, usually a bunch of pumpkin, sweet potato and carrots in each half omelette (single meal). Several pieces of fruit a day and a serving of either roast or frozen vegies, and sometimes kimchi too with each meal. It's a shitload of protein, and a shitload of vegetables/fruit. | ||
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PiGStarcraft
Australia987 Posts
On March 06 2013 17:15 Type|NarutO wrote: May I ask what your longterm goal is? Do you want your nutrition to change into paleo? Do you want to do it for a period of time? Do you want to sustain muscles, build muscles? Do you want definition... Without any goal it is very hard to give you insight on nutrition My goals are just to steadily move towards healthier habits, lose some weight, and increase my fitness with minimal effort. Wanting to enjoy food more, make better quality food and be happy with my regular food so that I'm not as tempted to eat junk and so I have the energy to stay positive in life + bother to actually exercise regularly. It's not about "i want to look cut!" or anything like that. It's just I want to feel good physically, aesthetically etc. But I like my life and want to find ways to slowly merge my lifestyle to be a bit healthier. I'm not really on a paleo diet. As I said at the start I just read a bit of stuff about the paleo guidelines, I liked what I saw, tried it and am enjoying it. I'm not completely cutting out carbs or anything crazy but just trying to find my own guidelines for sustainable, healthy and energising meals that I can make. The only feedback I'm looking for is specifically what vitamins a diet that skips grains, legumes and dairy might risk. Already got some great info so thanks guys  | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On March 07 2013 17:39 PiGStarcraft wrote: My goals are just to steadily move towards healthier habits, lose some weight, and increase my fitness with minimal effort. Wanting to enjoy food more, make better quality food and be happy with my regular food so that I'm not as tempted to eat junk and so I have the energy to stay positive in life + bother to actually exercise regularly. It's not about "i want to look cut!" or anything like that. It's just I want to feel good physically, aesthetically etc. But I like my life and want to find ways to slowly merge my lifestyle to be a bit healthier. I'm not really on a paleo diet. As I said at the start I just read a bit of stuff about the paleo guidelines, I liked what I saw, tried it and am enjoying it. I'm not completely cutting out carbs or anything crazy but just trying to find my own guidelines for sustainable, healthy and energising meals that I can make. The only feedback I'm looking for is specifically what vitamins a diet that skips grains, legumes and dairy might risk. Already got some great info so thanks guys Almost all diets lack in vitamins and minerals. Look at daily recommended values of various vitamins and then check it against your diet, accounting for the fact that storage and cooking degrades some nutrients and that modern agriculture tends to deplete the ground of minerals. As far as I know, most people are at least deficient in zinc, magnesium, B-vitamins, vitamin D. (not clinically deficient) | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote: And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote: and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On March 07 2013 21:51 Grumbels wrote: That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion. People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On March 08 2013 00:47 AoN.DimSum wrote: So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion. People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc. No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:47 Grumbels wrote: No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability. Isn't the idea behind paleo the need to readjust our heating habits to what our digestive system allegedly assimilates best? In my eyes, the whole "eat only meat" idea is just a deviation from that. You're not "paleo" if you consume only meat, because in paleolithic times meat was a rare ressource. Logically, most of our food came from gathering, and not hunting, as hunting is a dangerous, luck-based activity. It also goes against the "quality" requirement, because unless you make extra efforts and pay more than the triple of what people pay, you're just getting low-quality, industrially-processed meat, sometimes composed of up to 40% of animal carcass. The meat industry is a living hell for the people working and for the animals themselves. I don't see how it's very "self-conscious" to promote a lifestyle not sustainable in the long-term, and highly harmful to the environment. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:47 Grumbels wrote: No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability. You've never met a woman who revels in eating meat? Sucks for you dude. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:34 Kukaracha wrote: Isn't the idea behind paleo the need to readjust our heating habits to what our digestive system allegedly assimilates best? In my eyes, the whole "eat only meat" idea is just a deviation from that. You're not "paleo" if you consume only meat, because in paleolithic times meat was a rare ressource. Logically, most of our food came from gathering, and not hunting, as hunting is a dangerous, luck-based activity. It also goes against the "quality" requirement, because unless you make extra efforts and pay more than the triple of what people pay, you're just getting low-quality, industrially-processed meat, sometimes composed of up to 40% of animal carcass. The meat industry is a living hell for the people working and for the animals themselves. I don't see how it's very "self-conscious" to promote a lifestyle not sustainable in the long-term, and highly harmful to the environment. Well, paleo certainly is more than just a diet. It's a philosophy on food, but depending on the person you ask there are a lot of reasons behind the question of what drives the paleo approach to food. Some will say that they want to eat the food that we have evolved to make the best use of, others see it as a move to go back to nature and cast off some of the trappings of modern society. It's therefore no surprise that a lot of paleo diets are very different from each other, that pretty much all foods are allowed and that the people that believe in the paleo approach generally can't agree with each other except on the principle that paleo is awesome. What I think is that if you actually look at the movement despite all the differences of opinion those following it have two things in common: they are mostly men and they love meat. I think it's fair to say that in practice paleo mostly serves to rationalize eating meat. Personally I think the principles behind it are bankrupt. It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint to rape women, doesn't mean it's a good idea. If it was true that we are well off with eating a lot of meat that does nothing to justify it. Meat is not really sustainable and it's cruel to the animals. Raw meat is disgusting for most people, we have a digestive system suited to eating a lot of plant material, societies mostly dependent on hunting for their food might never have existed in significant numbers and it's unclear how much influence this had from an evolutionary PoV, so at best a lot of the reasons behind it are fuzzy. Paleo advocates are notorious for continuously trying to frame the issue to make it seem like meat was more important than it probably was. And last, you should be eating food that's good for you and that's preferably sustainable, you shouldn't be eating food just because some random group of people did some random amount of years ago. Everyone is of course free to eat whatever they want, but when people start a food movement it will influence others. On March 08 2013 02:55 farvacola wrote: You've never met a woman who revels in eating meat? Sucks for you dude. Not one that dresses it up as part of a fantasy of being a hunter living in the paleolithic area. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
As a result, i feel like that my skin has cleared up a lot. I also feel a lot better in general and increased endurance in my swimming/biking/running. However, i do eat oats because i dont think i can afford enough sweat potatoes as a source of carbs, and for what i do, i consume quite a lot of carbs. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On March 07 2013 17:39 PiGStarcraft wrote: My goals are just to steadily move towards healthier habits, lose some weight, and increase my fitness with minimal effort. Wanting to enjoy food more, make better quality food and be happy with my regular food so that I'm not as tempted to eat junk and so I have the energy to stay positive in life + bother to actually exercise regularly. It's not about "i want to look cut!" or anything like that. It's just I want to feel good physically, aesthetically etc. But I like my life and want to find ways to slowly merge my lifestyle to be a bit healthier. I'm not really on a paleo diet. As I said at the start I just read a bit of stuff about the paleo guidelines, I liked what I saw, tried it and am enjoying it. I'm not completely cutting out carbs or anything crazy but just trying to find my own guidelines for sustainable, healthy and energising meals that I can make. The only feedback I'm looking for is specifically what vitamins a diet that skips grains, legumes and dairy might risk. Already got some great info so thanks guys Your goal seems reasonable but you don't need any program or guide in my opinion. If you want to live a healthier life, just do it. All restrictions you put yourself are fine, but you need to think about downsides of restriction. Healthier is good, cutting something you enjoy not so much. I for my part love food, junk food and pizza but its bad for me, because I'm fast gainer and eating a big pizza would result in already feeling fat. So while I enjoy pizza and food I don't enjoy what they make me feel but I know people who wouldn't feel right without their occasonally "bad" junk food. It makes them happy and increase their quality of life. There is nothing wrong with your goal but if you really love pizza/junk just throw it in from time to time. Don't think over it too much, it won't hurt you. Thinking about it and stressing yourself is way worse to the body. Other than that, if you just have a good workout routine (I'd suggest do it right or leave it, you don't need to increase weights by a ton, but before you workout like a pussy 5kg x 5000 times you can as well skip that) things will work out. By what I gather from your posts, you want to be fit and if possible get your body shaped up by a bit, your key surely is nutrition but don't make the mistake to change your life in such a way, that you cannot sustain that lifestyle. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On March 09 2013 00:07 Grumbels wrote: I would always recommend recreational sports over going to the gym. Maybe it's less focused training, but it's also more engaging, you're being very active and you also use your entire body. Going to the gym cannot be recreational sports? :o | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On March 08 2013 23:47 Type|NarutO wrote: u don't need to increase weights by a ton, but before you workout like a pussy 5kg x 5000 times you can as well skip that) things will work out. By what I gather from your posts, you want to be fit and if possible get your body shaped up by a bit, your key surely is nutrition but don't make the mistake to change your life in such a way, that you cannot sustain that lifestyle. lol actually try 5kg x 5000, it's really hard mentally and physically. There's actually body builders that go low weight and high rep. But i do agree with everything else you said! | ||
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