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Yo guys
I recently started following a paleo diet, to some degree. I've had people telling me about the "caveman diet" for a long time and urging me to try it out. After hearing more about it than usual in the last few months, including pro sc2 player Sheth was swapping to it and having great success (http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2013/01/21/starcraft-weight-and-pain) I decided to have a go myself. After all, I love eating meat, more of it couldn't be bad right?
The diet itself can be read about here: http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/
Basically it emphasises lot's of natural, unprocessed foods and removing grains, dairy, legumes (beans etc) and junk foods which it claims the body isn't adjusted for and struggles to process and digest.
Pic of Paleo meal (ignore the rice): http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=368527336579911&set=pb.130791517020162.-2207520000.1362448584&type=3&theater
(Carribean chicken, seasoned vegies and kimchi)
For me a diet is just a guideline on getting good nutrition and cutting out excess crap from what I want to eat. Whilst I avoid most grains, legumes and dairy with this diet I still eat some and aren't super strict about the diet, it's more a guideline to eating well so I don't gorge on crap.
Large servings of meat, eggs and vegetables at all my meals + several pieces of fruit/nuts throughout the day for snacks has been amazing. I rarely crave junk anymore, and can always eat until I'm full. I feel physically stronger, more energetic and mentally a lot more positive probably because my body is satisfied all the time and I'm not stuffing my face with chocolate late at night!
Some common recipes I cook:
Breakfast: Omelette (2 servings) -
Ingredients:
6-8 eggs (depending on size)
~400gm of frozen vegies (capsicum, beans, broccoli, cauliflower)
2 rashers of bacon (optional)
+any leftovers, chicken, roast vegies or whatever else.
Mixed herbs or Oregano
salt + pepper
Preparation:
1) Defrost vegies in microwave
2) dice bacon
3) chuck them both in the fry pan to fry up
4) break the eggs into a bowl and add a good amount of pepper + herbs, if not using bacon add some salt too.
5) whisk the eggs thoroughly till a thick yellow paste with no lumps
6) Once the bacon and vegies are cooked to your liking pour the eggs over and reduce frypan to low heat. Cook ~7-8 minutes or until browning and then turn over and cook another 2-3 minutes on the other side or until browning.
^^
breakfast/lunch of champions 
As for vegies, frozen vegies get pretty boring after a while so myself and Dot have started baking up a bigass batch of pumpkin, sweet potato and carrots once a week. We brush them all lightly in oil and mixed herbs and bake them for about 30-40 minutes @180degrees then increase to 230degrees for another 10 minutes to crisp them up. Apparently if you add cinnamon it's delicious, looking to try this on our next batch 
Result = a constant supply of delicious roast vegies to go along with every meal.
Often dinner is just a good serving of roast vegies + whatever the meat of the day is:
Pork chops
Lamb chops
Steak
One of Jinxx's amazing chicken marinades: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=6600
Roast Lamb
Dot has become super pro at cooking meat and insists it must sit to room temperature, then rub in garlic, herbs, salt and pepper and let it sit for 10 minutes before cooking it on high temperature either with a turnover every 30second-minute constantly for the whole process or for 2-3 minutes on each side with just one turnover, or until just nice and pink but not too bloody inside.
The Actual Results
Ok so since on this I've dropped about 3-4kg in the past I'd say month or 6 weeks. Most importantly I feel a lot stronger. Partly because I'm ensuring I go jogging 5-6km at least twice a week. This isn't really a lot of exercise especially since in the past I used to go to the gym 5 times a week, however it's completely sustainable and fits my busy work schedule really well. I'm working to slowly increase the amount of exercise I do without every cutting into the rest of my life.
Overall I feel a lot happier and more positive and still eat the occasional grains, pasta or dairy without any real adverse effects other than feeling a bit more bloated/lethargic than I do after a Paleo meal.
Feedback
I'd like to hear anyones input on what possible vitamin deficiencies are possible on a paleo diet, for instance where do I get calcium if I don't eat dairy? Any issues you guys have with it or reasons you like/dislike the diet!
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calcium is in green veggies like spinach.
i follow the autoimmune protocol of paleo + white rice. recently i realized my ecezma gets worse with the white rice so i had to cut it out and low carb. 
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On March 05 2013 11:56 AoN.DimSum wrote:calcium is in green veggies like spinach. i follow the autoimmune protocol of paleo + white rice. recently i realized my ecezma gets worse with the white rice so i had to cut it out and low carb.
do you have brown rice now?
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Interesting, I've been experimenting with cutting all non-organic sugar intake in the last few months, and I've seen good results. Good luck!
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I tried it and found that it was as effective as any other low-carbohydrate diet.
I quit for lifestyle reasons. It was relatively expensive and time-consuming, and following it made it very difficult to eat socially. (And I really like peanut butter bagel sandwiches.)
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Thanks AoN.DimSum I eat a lot of green vegies so I should be fine for calcium
@zf that's a shame! I realised that my grocery costs are quite similar/a bit less, probably because I spend less money on junk!
Eating socially I tend to just break the diet, though I try to minimise it. Barbeque's are great though!
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If you aren't eating dairy I wouldn't be too confident that you are getting enough calcium from green vegetables, the reason being that while they can be high in calcium (and even iron) the calcium found in leafy greens such as spinach are often bound to oxalates, which greatly lessens their bioavailability. A good "paleo" source of calcium would be crushed eggshell, bone meal, or bone broth. Of the three bone broth is certainly the easiest to work in as a food, since it can be the base of many a soup or stew; the others can be a bit trickier to implement in a tasty fashion.
If you aren't regularly eating ruminant liver (beef/lamb/bison) it's possible you are getting a suboptimal amount of copper and vitamin A (preformed, not as carotene from vegetables), though it should not be enough to raise worries of an overt deficiency of either nutrient. The amount of vitamin C you get will depend on the type of vegetables you consume and how often you eat fruit, so that is another thing to be conscious of on some level. If you find you are eating more poultry and less beef or seafood you may not be getting enough selenium, but if you are eating beef or fish regularly that should not be a problem.
There aren't too many worries with overt deficiency on a whole foods paleo diet, my only word of caution would be that you do not fall into the "carbohydrates are evil" trap that so many do when adopting a paleo diet. Moderate carbohydrate intake from fruits, vegetables, potatoes, milk, and even white rice is unlikely to cause issues for most people, and often helps people who are having trouble on a very low carbohydrate version of paleo.
Best of luck!
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On March 05 2013 15:05 TroW wrote:
If you aren't eating dairy I wouldn't be too confident that you are getting enough calcium from green vegetables, the reason being that while they can be high in calcium (and even iron) the calcium found in leafy greens such as spinach are often bound to oxalates, which greatly lessens their bioavailability. A good "paleo" source of calcium would be crushed eggshell, bone meal, or bone broth. Of the three bone broth is certainly the easiest to work in as a food, since it can be the base of many a soup or stew; the others can be a bit trickier to implement in a tasty fashion.
If you aren't regularly eating ruminant liver (beef/lamb/bison) it's possible you are getting a suboptimal amount of copper and vitamin A (preformed, not as carotene from vegetables), though it should not be enough to raise worries of an overt deficiency of either nutrient. The amount of vitamin C you get will depend on the type of vegetables you consume and how often you eat fruit, so that is another thing to be conscious of on some level. If you find you are eating more poultry and less beef or seafood you may not be getting enough selenium, but if you are eating beef or fish regularly that should not be a problem.
There aren't too many worries with overt deficiency on a whole foods paleo diet, my only word of caution would be that you do not fall into the "carbohydrates are evil" trap that so many do when adopting a paleo diet. Moderate carbohydrate intake from fruits, vegetables, potatoes, milk, and even white rice is unlikely to cause issues for most people, and often helps people who are having trouble on a very low carbohydrate version of paleo.
Best of luck!
Thanks for all that info! Hmmm I wonder if Viet Pho soup has bone-broth in it, I will keep having some dairy every now and then so hopefully that won't cause an issue.
I eat a lot of beef so selenium should be ok. I eat lots of fruit and eat vitamin C tablets like a candy twice a day . I don't really eat any liver I'll keep an eye on vitamin A and copper deficiencies.
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While we're talking about Paleo, is it okay to not cook at all when on the diet and just eat Paleo-friendly foods unprepared?
What makes Paleo work great for me is the fact that all the stuff you're allowed to eat I like anyways, so I eat nuts, boiled eggs, raw veggies, fresh fruit, chicken boiled in water just with salt and never get bored with it.
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i can see avoiding grains and processed shit, but what's with no beans?? beans are fucking awesome and generally pretty healthy. i am no nutritionist so i dont know why that is
my only experience with paleo stuff is once I made some pad thai recipe i saw using zucchini instead of noodles, i think. it was pretty good actually
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I think just about everyone should take a simple multivitamin (for guys, make sure no iron). It can't hurt, and ensures that you're getting all your essential nutrients in case you have any diet-related deficiencies.
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I don't get the paleo diet. It sounds to me like a pseudo intellectual way to rationalize eating lots of meat and eggs every day. Congrats, you can now convince yourself that the food you want to eat anyway is good for you.
A lot of benefits from good food don't show themselves right away, but only after years of use. If some person switches to a paleo diet and cuts out refined sugar along the way, he'll probably end up feeling a lot better and healthier and lose weight. (imagine that) That doesn't mean it's good for you long-term and it doesn't mean it's the best possible diet.
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On March 06 2013 03:23 Grumbels wrote:
I don't get the paleo diet. It sounds to me like a pseudo intellectual way to rationalize eating lots of meat and eggs every day. Congrats, you can now convince yourself that the food you want to eat anyway is good for you.
Huh? The paleo diet is actually quite restrictive. Try eating only meat and vegetables. It's not cheap and it's not easy to make, unlike daily plates of pasta.
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I don't understand how people can feel strong without any carbohydrate income. I feel sleepy without rice tbh. I understand why it makes your body look better tho.
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On March 06 2013 04:05 Boblion wrote:
I don't understand how people can feel strong without any carbohydrate income. I feel sleepy without rice tbh. I understand why it makes your body look better tho.
That's because you're used to eating a lot of carbohydrates, your body can adjust if you're eating lower amounts of carbs consistently.
On March 06 2013 03:59 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 03:23 Grumbels wrote:
I don't get the paleo diet. It sounds to me like a pseudo intellectual way to rationalize eating lots of meat and eggs every day. Congrats, you can now convince yourself that the food you want to eat anyway is good for you. Huh? The paleo diet is actually quite restrictive. Try eating only meat and vegetables. It's not cheap and it's not easy to make, unlike daily plates of pasta.
A lot of people basically only care about meat. (try to say the word bacon on reddit and watch the ensuing lovefest) The paleo diet is primarily about eating a lot of meat, hence its popularity.
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On March 06 2013 04:10 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:05 Boblion wrote:
I don't understand how people can feel strong without any carbohydrate income. I feel sleepy without rice tbh. I understand why it makes your body look better tho. That's because you're used to eating a lot of carbohydrates, your body can adjust if you're eating lower amounts of carbs consistently.
That's what i'm trying lately but it is annoying :3
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On March 06 2013 04:05 Boblion wrote:
I don't understand how people can feel strong without any carbohydrate income. I feel sleepy without rice tbh. I understand why it makes your body look better tho.
People nowadays have the idea that they have to eat a lot of carbs, but it's just an extrapolation of sportive nutrition (what is usually called 421 GPL - 4 portions of glucids, 2 of proteines, and 1 of lipids). You don't need much energy if you live a sedentary life.
On March 06 2013 04:10 Grumbels wrote:
A lot of people basically only care about meat. (try to say the word bacon on reddit and watch the ensuing lovefest) The paleo diet is primarily about eating a lot of meat, hence its popularity.
Well, maybe we didn't frequent the same communities. As far as I know, meat is to be consumed with moderation, although at every meal. From what I read, what is stressed is vegetable consumption : anything you want, as much as you want (which isn't a lot of fun).
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By the way I just had an exam yesterday, and the subject was obesity. Boblion, did you know that France will be as fat as the US is now by 2020? Right now, obese people represent 14,5% of the population, but the numbers climb by 5.9% every year. That means that one third of France will be obese in just seven years.
So, paleo gogogo!
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I'm closer of being underweight lol i only do this to get better results when i'm practicing. (1m80 and ~70kg)
Bodyfat around 15%.
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On March 06 2013 04:14 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:10 Grumbels wrote:
A lot of people basically only care about meat. (try to say the word bacon on reddit and watch the ensuing lovefest) The paleo diet is primarily about eating a lot of meat, hence its popularity. Well, maybe we didn't frequent the same communities. As far as I know, meat is to be consumed with moderation, although at every meal. From what I read, what is stressed is vegetable consumption : anything you want, as much as you want (which isn't a lot of fun).
"Consume meat in moderation, at every meal." Yes, that's the definition of "in moderation"...
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Well, every big meal, which means three times a day. If you count an intake of ~80g of meat in average, it isn't that much... although it definitely is much, much more than what our grandparents used to eat (and maybe too much for the Earth to produce really, but that's another larger question).
In fact, I don't really find it that fun to eat so many eggs and so much fish. I guess you could eat bacon everyday, but I don't think any nutritionist would approve that. Similar to the "as much fruit as you want" rule, which can obviously be abused if you're just looking to have tasty meals.
But protein intake for any sportive diet is pretty scary if you look at the production costs.
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On March 06 2013 00:39 QuanticHawk wrote:
i can see avoiding grains and processed shit, but what's with no beans?? beans are fucking awesome and generally pretty healthy. i am no nutritionist so i dont know why that is
my only experience with paleo stuff is once I made some pad thai recipe i saw using zucchini instead of noodles, i think. it was pretty good actually
Yeah I used to consume a lot of beans, lentils, chickpeas etc. I actually didn't eat much meat at all for quite a few years when I was extremely poor while studying and used a lot of legumes to make up for it. I haven't looked into the rationalisation behind them being not bad for you, nutritionally. I think I'll look it up.
First google search pro-paleo:
"Legumes have a similar story to grains; they weren’t consumed by the paleo hunter-gatherer because they needed to be cooked in order to be edible. Legumes also have similar traits to grains in their make-up; they contain phytates which inhibit nutrient absorption and cause inflammation. They also contain lectins and play with healthy hormonal functions.
Types of legumes to avoid on the paleo diet include lentils, all beans (such as kidney beans, pinto beans and broad beans), peanuts (peanuts are a legume not a nut), soy beans and chickpeas." http://www.livingpaleo.com/foods-to-avoid-on-the-paleo-diet/
Next google search "debunking paleo":
"But (and there’s a big “but”): Legumes and whole grains have also been shown to reduce risk of disease and improve insulin sensitivity and blood glucose levels — not to mention decrease BMI[7][8][9][10]. So what justifies keeping them out of our bellies? Paleo proponents argue that legumes, grains, and other starches (i.e. potatoes) contain high levels of antinutrients (lectin, prolamin, phytate and saponins, for starters). These compounds, the Paleo philosophy holds, block key digestive enzymes, promote inflammation and, in some cases, lie at the root of autoimmune diseases and cancer[11].
Research does show that excess consumption of some antinutrients offsets our belly’s bacteria levels and puts us at risk for inflammatory diseases like asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, and inflammatory bowel syndrome[12][13]. But there isn’t as much science to support cutting them out completely. Some studies suggest dietary lectins from legumes and grains may bolster good bacteria inside our tummies and aid digestion[14]." -http://greatist.com/health/debunking-diets-paleo-facts/
On March 06 2013 03:59 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 03:23 Grumbels wrote:
I don't get the paleo diet. It sounds to me like a pseudo intellectual way to rationalize eating lots of meat and eggs every day. Congrats, you can now convince yourself that the food you want to eat anyway is good for you. Huh? The paleo diet is actually quite restrictive. Try eating only meat and vegetables. It's not cheap and it's not easy to make, unlike daily plates of pasta.
I've found my grocery bills actually aren't any higher, partly because I don't spend money anymore. I know in some countries meat and fresh produce is a lot more expensive than here in Australia though so it would be extremely hard to follow in a place like Japan!
I have to agree with you that the whole caveman, rationality behind the diet and lack of strong science behind some of its elements makes me doubt the benefits of it all. I do think the way it's explained like this gives it an incredibly sensory description to the diet that makes it seem very attractive. It is extremely easy to understand the general concept behind the diet, and the diet itself involves eating a lot of meat, fresh fruit and vegetables and of course this makes people feel good. Hence hype builds around the diet and it gets very popular.
That being said I feel there are some points in the diet which are very strong. For me, a diet is just a way of guiding myself towards eating foods that make me strong and feel good, and away from the ones that make me feel like crap. The Paleo diet rules out all the categories of food that are extremely energy-dense and emphasises ways to enjoy a lot of foods that you can eat until you are full. This results in a diet that allows you to lose weight, sleep well, feel stronger and healthier from increased protein and vegetable/fruit nutrition and at the end of the day it doesn't impact your lifestyle very heavily. There are no moments where you feel like starving and in fact you feel less lethargic and tired after meals as your body fills up quicker and digests easier on meat + vegies.
So for me the diet is a big win so far. I think I'll start taking a multivitamin and eating sesame seeds to make up my calcium and any other nutritional holes in the diet .
I appreciate the feedback from everyone it's already made me more aware of a few things I'll be researching into further
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Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded.
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Everything contains anti-nutrients and everything will eventually kill you. Tomatoes, eggplants, dairy, grains, nuts all contain high amounts of lectin.
Cooking for 10 minutes eliminates most of the anti-nutrients in legumes.
On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20888279 Yes, eat lots of proteins and die of diabetes.
You can only build a few grams of muscle per day, how much protein do you think is necessary for that?
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On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
No pain, no gain right?
This kind of nonsense gave me a couple of chronic pains. Some of my joints are damaged for life.
This isn't about being a pussy, it's about not being an idiot and realizing that we didn't gain the knowledge we have by running head first into brick walls.
Sigh.
By the way, this isn't about getting shredded.
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What's ironic is how much female hormone they put into milk.
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On March 06 2013 08:53 Grumbels wrote:Everything contains anti-nutrients and everything will eventually kill you. Tomatoes, eggplants, dairy, grains, nuts all contain high amounts of lectin. Cooking for 10 minutes eliminates most of the anti-nutrients in legumes. Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20888279 Yes, eat lots of proteins and die of diabetes. You can only build a few grams of muscle per day, how much protein do you think is necessary for that?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23378612
Consumption of milk and dairy products has been associated with reduced risk of metabolic disorders and cardiovascular disease. Milk contains two primary sources of protein, casein (80%) and whey (20%). Recently, the beneficial physiological effects of whey protein on the control of food intake and glucose metabolism have been reported. Studies have shown an insulinotropic and glucose-lowering properties of whey protein in healthy and Type 2 diabetes subjects. Whey protein seems to induce these effects via bioactive peptides and amino acids generated during its gastrointestinal digestion. These amino acids and peptides stimulate the release of several gut hormones, such as cholecystokinin, peptide YY and the incretins gastric inhibitory peptide and glucagon-like peptide 1 that potentiate insulin secretion from β-cells and are associated with regulation of food intake. The bioactive peptides generated from whey protein may also serve as endogenous inhibitors of dipeptidyl peptidase-4 (DPP-4) in the proximal gut, preventing incretin degradation. Indeed, recently, DPP-4 inhibitors were identified in whey protein hydrolysates. This review will focus on the emerging properties of whey protein and its potential clinical application for obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
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On March 06 2013 11:49 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 08:53 Grumbels wrote:Everything contains anti-nutrients and everything will eventually kill you. Tomatoes, eggplants, dairy, grains, nuts all contain high amounts of lectin. Cooking for 10 minutes eliminates most of the anti-nutrients in legumes. On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20888279 Yes, eat lots of proteins and die of diabetes. You can only build a few grams of muscle per day, how much protein do you think is necessary for that? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23378612Show nested quote +
Consumption of milk and dairy products has been associated with reduced risk of metabolic disorders and cardiovascular disease. Milk contains two primary sources of protein, casein (80%) and whey (20%). Recently, the beneficial physiological effects of whey protein on the control of food intake and glucose metabolism have been reported. Studies have shown an insulinotropic and glucose-lowering properties of whey protein in healthy and Type 2 diabetes subjects. Whey protein seems to induce these effects via bioactive peptides and amino acids generated during its gastrointestinal digestion. These amino acids and peptides stimulate the release of several gut hormones, such as cholecystokinin, peptide YY and the incretins gastric inhibitory peptide and glucagon-like peptide 1 that potentiate insulin secretion from β-cells and are associated with regulation of food intake. The bioactive peptides generated from whey protein may also serve as endogenous inhibitors of dipeptidyl peptidase-4 (DPP-4) in the proximal gut, preventing incretin degradation. Indeed, recently, DPP-4 inhibitors were identified in whey protein hydrolysates. This review will focus on the emerging properties of whey protein and its potential clinical application for obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
He said: "eat lots of protein" as if it was a good idea. Most people already get too much protein. Dairy is not recommended by many nutritionists for other reasons.
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The easiest way to get protein into your diet is via milk and whey protein powder, clearly examplified and implied by his first sentence, "Stop being a pussy and drink milk"...
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On March 06 2013 12:37 Cambium wrote:
The easiest way to get protein into your diet is via milk and whey protein powder, clearly examplified and implied by his first sentence, "Stop being a pussy and drink milk"...
Yes, that's how it works. People have a diet and supplement with whey powder to the recommended amount of protein daily. /sarcasm
Most people don't take protein supplements, yet they still get too much protein just from dairy and meat. A recommendation like eat lots of protein in normal day language means to increase your meat intake.
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how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat.
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On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat.
wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that
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On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded.
Literally the stupidest post I've ever read
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On March 06 2013 04:44 Boblion wrote:
I'm closer of being underweight lol i only do this to get better results when i'm practicing. (1m80 and ~70kg)
Bodyfat around 15%.
Considering your weight, your bodyfat is high.
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May I ask what your longterm goal is? Do you want your nutrition to change into paleo? Do you want to do it for a period of time? Do you want to sustain muscles, build muscles? Do you want definition...
Without any goal it is very hard to give you insight on nutrition
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On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that
I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person.
We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business.
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I sent a message to sheth on skype about this diet and Ill briefly run over what I experienced with it.
Firstly, it is built to lose weight, its not a lifestyle. You are not a caveman, you dont exercise like a cave man and you dont require the same things as a caveman. You also want to live past 30, unlike cavemen. Evolution in foods has adapted to our lifestyle, eating healthy is important, but there are reasons that some foods are farmed. For instance, white rice is farmed in SEA because its 1) cheap 2) easy to grow in the climate. It fills the stomach at low cost, if you cannot afford a healthy diet. It has very little nutritional value unless you are running marathons and need excessive slow release carbs.
(this is an example of why food is farmed)
Of course there are good things to take from the paleo diet, eating healthy, getting protein from food and not powder.. But if you don't mix it with good exercise you will end up with a low amount of muscle and a nice layer of fat over it all. You will have to work very hard to get rid of the excess.
I lost the final 5 kgs after switching back to carbs. Your body adapts stay healthy, mix it up and exercise as much as you have time for.
Edit: Oh.... And one thing you will need to do, make sure you have a good intake of amino acids, or your muscle will go bye bye
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On March 05 2013 10:58 PiGStarcraft wrote:Large servings of meat, eggs and vegetables at all my meals + several pieces of fruit/nuts throughout the day for snacks has been amazing. I rarely crave junk anymore, and can always eat until I'm full. I feel physically stronger, more energetic and mentally a lot more positive probably because my body is satisfied all the time and I'm not stuffing my face with chocolate late at night! Some common recipes I cook: Breakfast: Omelette (2 servings) - Ingredients: 6-8 eggs (depending on size) ~400gm of frozen vegies (capsicum, beans, broccoli, cauliflower) 2 rashers of bacon (optional) +any leftovers, chicken, roast vegies or whatever else. Mixed herbs or Oregano salt + pepper Preparation: 1) Defrost vegies in microwave 2) dice bacon 3) chuck them both in the fry pan to fry up 4) break the eggs into a bowl and add a good amount of pepper + herbs, if not using bacon add some salt too. 5) whisk the eggs thoroughly till a thick yellow paste with no lumps 6) Once the bacon and vegies are cooked to your liking pour the eggs over and reduce frypan to low heat. Cook ~7-8 minutes or until browning and then turn over and cook another 2-3 minutes on the other side or until browning. ^^ breakfast/lunch of champions As for vegies, frozen vegies get pretty boring after a while so myself and Dot have started baking up a bigass batch of pumpkin, sweet potato and carrots once a week. We brush them all lightly in oil and mixed herbs and bake them for about 30-40 minutes @180degrees then increase to 230degrees for another 10 minutes to crisp them up. Apparently if you add cinnamon it's delicious, looking to try this on our next batch Result = a constant supply of delicious roast vegies to go along with every meal. Often dinner is just a good serving of roast vegies + whatever the meat of the day is: Pork chops Lamb chops Steak One of Jinxx's amazing chicken marinades: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=6600Roast Lamb How is this any different from Atkins?
Ok so since on this I've dropped about 3-4kg in the past I'd say month or 6 weeks.
TBH, that's exactly what I'd expect from any low carb diet. I think you'll have trouble converting it into a lifestyle, however, and there's other negative side effects from eating that much red meat.
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atkins doesnt allow fruit, at least for the first two weeks
my mom apparently just started it and i was trying to tell her it is dumb but whatever
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paleo isnt low carb, its about food quality.
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On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business.
And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine.
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On March 07 2013 02:07 AoN.DimSum wrote:
paleo isnt low carb, its about food quality.
I understand that, but the meals the OP are describing are just a shitload of meat and protein, with occasional frozen vegetables.
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On March 07 2013 03:53 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 02:07 AoN.DimSum wrote:
paleo isnt low carb, its about food quality. I understand that, but the meals the OP are describing are just a shitload of meat and protein, with occasional frozen vegetables.
Not nitpicking here but beans are everything but low-carb. Red beans for example are LOADED.
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On March 07 2013 03:53 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 02:07 AoN.DimSum wrote:
paleo isnt low carb, its about food quality. I understand that, but the meals the OP are describing are just a shitload of meat and protein, with occasional frozen vegetables.
200gm of frozen vegetables (good quality ones) + whatever leftovers I have, usually a bunch of pumpkin, sweet potato and carrots in each half omelette (single meal). Several pieces of fruit a day and a serving of either roast or frozen vegies, and sometimes kimchi too with each meal.
It's a shitload of protein, and a shitload of vegetables/fruit.
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On March 06 2013 17:15 Type|NarutO wrote:
May I ask what your longterm goal is? Do you want your nutrition to change into paleo? Do you want to do it for a period of time? Do you want to sustain muscles, build muscles? Do you want definition...
Without any goal it is very hard to give you insight on nutrition
My goals are just to steadily move towards healthier habits, lose some weight, and increase my fitness with minimal effort. Wanting to enjoy food more, make better quality food and be happy with my regular food so that I'm not as tempted to eat junk and so I have the energy to stay positive in life + bother to actually exercise regularly. It's not about "i want to look cut!" or anything like that. It's just I want to feel good physically, aesthetically etc. But I like my life and want to find ways to slowly merge my lifestyle to be a bit healthier.
I'm not really on a paleo diet. As I said at the start I just read a bit of stuff about the paleo guidelines, I liked what I saw, tried it and am enjoying it. I'm not completely cutting out carbs or anything crazy but just trying to find my own guidelines for sustainable, healthy and energising meals that I can make. The only feedback I'm looking for is specifically what vitamins a diet that skips grains, legumes and dairy might risk. Already got some great info so thanks guys
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On March 07 2013 17:39 PiGStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 17:15 Type|NarutO wrote:
May I ask what your longterm goal is? Do you want your nutrition to change into paleo? Do you want to do it for a period of time? Do you want to sustain muscles, build muscles? Do you want definition...
Without any goal it is very hard to give you insight on nutrition My goals are just to steadily move towards healthier habits, lose some weight, and increase my fitness with minimal effort. Wanting to enjoy food more, make better quality food and be happy with my regular food so that I'm not as tempted to eat junk and so I have the energy to stay positive in life + bother to actually exercise regularly. It's not about "i want to look cut!" or anything like that. It's just I want to feel good physically, aesthetically etc. But I like my life and want to find ways to slowly merge my lifestyle to be a bit healthier. I'm not really on a paleo diet. As I said at the start I just read a bit of stuff about the paleo guidelines, I liked what I saw, tried it and am enjoying it. I'm not completely cutting out carbs or anything crazy but just trying to find my own guidelines for sustainable, healthy and energising meals that I can make. The only feedback I'm looking for is specifically what vitamins a diet that skips grains, legumes and dairy might risk. Already got some great info so thanks guys
Almost all diets lack in vitamins and minerals. Look at daily recommended values of various vitamins and then check it against your diet, accounting for the fact that storage and cooking degrades some nutrients and that modern agriculture tends to deplete the ground of minerals.
As far as I know, most people are at least deficient in zinc, magnesium, B-vitamins, vitamin D. (not clinically deficient)
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On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine.
and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine.
edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first.
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On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first.
That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you.
On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o
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On March 07 2013 21:51 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o
So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion.
People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc.
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On March 08 2013 00:47 AoN.DimSum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 21:51 Grumbels wrote:On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion. People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc.
No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability.
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so I'm guessing you are a vegan lol
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On March 08 2013 01:47 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:47 AoN.DimSum wrote:On March 07 2013 21:51 Grumbels wrote:On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion. People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc. No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability.
Isn't the idea behind paleo the need to readjust our heating habits to what our digestive system allegedly assimilates best? In my eyes, the whole "eat only meat" idea is just a deviation from that. You're not "paleo" if you consume only meat, because in paleolithic times meat was a rare ressource. Logically, most of our food came from gathering, and not hunting, as hunting is a dangerous, luck-based activity.
It also goes against the "quality" requirement, because unless you make extra efforts and pay more than the triple of what people pay, you're just getting low-quality, industrially-processed meat, sometimes composed of up to 40% of animal carcass.
The meat industry is a living hell for the people working and for the animals themselves. I don't see how it's very "self-conscious" to promote a lifestyle not sustainable in the long-term, and highly harmful to the environment.
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On March 08 2013 01:47 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 00:47 AoN.DimSum wrote:On March 07 2013 21:51 Grumbels wrote:On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion. People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc. No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability.
You've never met a woman who revels in eating meat? Sucks for you dude.
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On March 08 2013 02:34 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:47 Grumbels wrote:On March 08 2013 00:47 AoN.DimSum wrote:On March 07 2013 21:51 Grumbels wrote:On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion. People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc. No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability. Isn't the idea behind paleo the need to readjust our heating habits to what our digestive system allegedly assimilates best? In my eyes, the whole "eat only meat" idea is just a deviation from that. You're not "paleo" if you consume only meat, because in paleolithic times meat was a rare ressource. Logically, most of our food came from gathering, and not hunting, as hunting is a dangerous, luck-based activity. It also goes against the "quality" requirement, because unless you make extra efforts and pay more than the triple of what people pay, you're just getting low-quality, industrially-processed meat, sometimes composed of up to 40% of animal carcass. The meat industry is a living hell for the people working and for the animals themselves. I don't see how it's very "self-conscious" to promote a lifestyle not sustainable in the long-term, and highly harmful to the environment.
Well, paleo certainly is more than just a diet. It's a philosophy on food, but depending on the person you ask there are a lot of reasons behind the question of what drives the paleo approach to food. Some will say that they want to eat the food that we have evolved to make the best use of, others see it as a move to go back to nature and cast off some of the trappings of modern society. It's therefore no surprise that a lot of paleo diets are very different from each other, that pretty much all foods are allowed and that the people that believe in the paleo approach generally can't agree with each other except on the principle that paleo is awesome.
What I think is that if you actually look at the movement despite all the differences of opinion those following it have two things in common: they are mostly men and they love meat. I think it's fair to say that in practice paleo mostly serves to rationalize eating meat.
Personally I think the principles behind it are bankrupt. It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint to rape women, doesn't mean it's a good idea. If it was true that we are well off with eating a lot of meat that does nothing to justify it. Meat is not really sustainable and it's cruel to the animals.
Raw meat is disgusting for most people, we have a digestive system suited to eating a lot of plant material, societies mostly dependent on hunting for their food might never have existed in significant numbers and it's unclear how much influence this had from an evolutionary PoV, so at best a lot of the reasons behind it are fuzzy. Paleo advocates are notorious for continuously trying to frame the issue to make it seem like meat was more important than it probably was.
And last, you should be eating food that's good for you and that's preferably sustainable, you shouldn't be eating food just because some random group of people did some random amount of years ago. Everyone is of course free to eat whatever they want, but when people start a food movement it will influence others.
On March 08 2013 02:55 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 01:47 Grumbels wrote:On March 08 2013 00:47 AoN.DimSum wrote:On March 07 2013 21:51 Grumbels wrote:On March 07 2013 21:36 Zafrumi wrote:On March 07 2013 03:38 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 19:24 Kukaracha wrote:On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person. We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business. And I read there are indigenous cultures where they consume just 15g a day and they're fine. and I read there are other indigenous cultures where they eat almost exclusively fat/protein, like 90%. and they're fine. edit: again, paleo is about quality of foods, not about high protein/low carb. you can just as easily eat very high carb (lots of fruits, yams and sweetpotatoes) and still be paleo, as some indigenous cultures do as you already pointed out. but they only eat what they can find in nature, not what has to be proccessed with industrial facilities first. That's why I distrust paleo, it's often meaningless as a term, because it becomes everything its defenders need it to be. Try saying: "HI IM PALEO AND EAT LOTS OF POTATOES" on some forum dedicated to it and watch the ensuing mayhem, stating as if paleo allows for potatoes is mostly spin as a lot of people will disagree with you. On another note, I found this article which is like the dumbest thing I've ever read. :o So you are angry at people who talk about paleo? There are always idiots on forums, not sure why you care about their opinion. People have different genetics so thats why paleo differs per person. Some people are more carb tolerant so they can afford to eat more carbs, etc. No, I'm annoyed at people (they are all men) who revel in eating meat because of some hunter gatherer neanderthal fantasy while they buy their meat from the supermarket. Calling it paleo is just a fad word to deflect any criticism and to give it a veneer of respectability. You've never met a woman who revels in eating meat? Sucks for you dude.
Not one that dresses it up as part of a fantasy of being a hunter living in the paleolithic area.
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I try avoid grains mostly and wheat./bread gluten, legumes, dairy as much as possible as well.
As a result, i feel like that my skin has cleared up a lot. I also feel a lot better in general and increased endurance in my swimming/biking/running.
However, i do eat oats because i dont think i can afford enough sweat potatoes as a source of carbs, and for what i do, i consume quite a lot of carbs.
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On March 07 2013 17:39 PiGStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 17:15 Type|NarutO wrote:
May I ask what your longterm goal is? Do you want your nutrition to change into paleo? Do you want to do it for a period of time? Do you want to sustain muscles, build muscles? Do you want definition...
Without any goal it is very hard to give you insight on nutrition My goals are just to steadily move towards healthier habits, lose some weight, and increase my fitness with minimal effort. Wanting to enjoy food more, make better quality food and be happy with my regular food so that I'm not as tempted to eat junk and so I have the energy to stay positive in life + bother to actually exercise regularly. It's not about "i want to look cut!" or anything like that. It's just I want to feel good physically, aesthetically etc. But I like my life and want to find ways to slowly merge my lifestyle to be a bit healthier. I'm not really on a paleo diet. As I said at the start I just read a bit of stuff about the paleo guidelines, I liked what I saw, tried it and am enjoying it. I'm not completely cutting out carbs or anything crazy but just trying to find my own guidelines for sustainable, healthy and energising meals that I can make. The only feedback I'm looking for is specifically what vitamins a diet that skips grains, legumes and dairy might risk. Already got some great info so thanks guys
Your goal seems reasonable but you don't need any program or guide in my opinion. If you want to live a healthier life, just do it. All restrictions you put yourself are fine, but you need to think about downsides of restriction. Healthier is good, cutting something you enjoy not so much.
I for my part love food, junk food and pizza but its bad for me, because I'm fast gainer and eating a big pizza would result in already feeling fat. So while I enjoy pizza and food I don't enjoy what they make me feel but I know people who wouldn't feel right without their occasonally "bad" junk food. It makes them happy and increase their quality of life. There is nothing wrong with your goal but if you really love pizza/junk just throw it in from time to time. Don't think over it too much, it won't hurt you. Thinking about it and stressing yourself is way worse to the body.
Other than that, if you just have a good workout routine (I'd suggest do it right or leave it, you don't need to increase weights by a ton, but before you workout like a pussy 5kg x 5000 times you can as well skip that) things will work out. By what I gather from your posts, you want to be fit and if possible get your body shaped up by a bit, your key surely is nutrition but don't make the mistake to change your life in such a way, that you cannot sustain that lifestyle.
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I would always recommend recreational sports over going to the gym. Maybe it's less focused training, but it's also more engaging, you're being very active and you also use your entire body.
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On March 09 2013 00:07 Grumbels wrote:
I would always recommend recreational sports over going to the gym. Maybe it's less focused training, but it's also more engaging, you're being very active and you also use your entire body.
Going to the gym cannot be recreational sports? :o
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On March 08 2013 23:47 Type|NarutO wrote:
u don't need to increase weights by a ton, but before you workout like a pussy 5kg x 5000 times you can as well skip that) things will work out. By what I gather from your posts, you want to be fit and if possible get your body shaped up by a bit, your key surely is nutrition but don't make the mistake to change your life in such a way, that you cannot sustain that lifestyle.
lol actually try 5kg x 5000, it's really hard mentally and physically. There's actually body builders that go low weight and high rep. But i do agree with everything else you said!
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On March 09 2013 00:15 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 23:47 Type|NarutO wrote:
u don't need to increase weights by a ton, but before you workout like a pussy 5kg x 5000 times you can as well skip that) things will work out. By what I gather from your posts, you want to be fit and if possible get your body shaped up by a bit, your key surely is nutrition but don't make the mistake to change your life in such a way, that you cannot sustain that lifestyle. lol actually try 5kg x 5000, it's really hard mentally and physically. There's actually body builders that go low weight and high rep. But i do agree with everything else you said!
It was an exaggeration. You often see guys in the gym doing 30% of what they are capable of or even less and do 3 sets with ~20 reps. That doesn't get you ANYWHERE. It shapes your body kind of... but is it effective? No. Right now I moved away from 5x5 with previous 3 warmup sets to 2 warmup sets and 3 mainsets with 12 reps right now. As long as I progress with the weight I will keep 12 reps, as soon as I cannot increase it, I'll drop reps and increase weigth. 5kg x 50 does require less energy than 5 x 50kg I think.
So yeah, not saying its completely useless, especially after a heavy set you can drop weight and do clean reps with low weight to get best blood flow to power-out. So yup :x ofcourse not meaning to shit all over "high reps are shit to begin with"
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On March 08 2013 23:47 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 17:39 PiGStarcraft wrote:On March 06 2013 17:15 Type|NarutO wrote:
May I ask what your longterm goal is? Do you want your nutrition to change into paleo? Do you want to do it for a period of time? Do you want to sustain muscles, build muscles? Do you want definition...
Without any goal it is very hard to give you insight on nutrition My goals are just to steadily move towards healthier habits, lose some weight, and increase my fitness with minimal effort. Wanting to enjoy food more, make better quality food and be happy with my regular food so that I'm not as tempted to eat junk and so I have the energy to stay positive in life + bother to actually exercise regularly. It's not about "i want to look cut!" or anything like that. It's just I want to feel good physically, aesthetically etc. But I like my life and want to find ways to slowly merge my lifestyle to be a bit healthier. I'm not really on a paleo diet. As I said at the start I just read a bit of stuff about the paleo guidelines, I liked what I saw, tried it and am enjoying it. I'm not completely cutting out carbs or anything crazy but just trying to find my own guidelines for sustainable, healthy and energising meals that I can make. The only feedback I'm looking for is specifically what vitamins a diet that skips grains, legumes and dairy might risk. Already got some great info so thanks guys Your goal seems reasonable but you don't need any program or guide in my opinion. If you want to live a healthier life, just do it. All restrictions you put yourself are fine, but you need to think about downsides of restriction. Healthier is good, cutting something you enjoy not so much. I for my part love food, junk food and pizza but its bad for me, because I'm fast gainer and eating a big pizza would result in already feeling fat. So while I enjoy pizza and food I don't enjoy what they make me feel but I know people who wouldn't feel right without their occasonally "bad" junk food. It makes them happy and increase their quality of life. There is nothing wrong with your goal but if you really love pizza/junk just throw it in from time to time. Don't think over it too much, it won't hurt you. Thinking about it and stressing yourself is way worse to the body. Other than that, if you just have a good workout routine (I'd suggest do it right or leave it, you don't need to increase weights by a ton, but before you workout like a pussy 5kg x 5000 times you can as well skip that) things will work out. By what I gather from your posts, you want to be fit and if possible get your body shaped up by a bit, your key surely is nutrition but don't make the mistake to change your life in such a way, that you cannot sustain that lifestyle.
Hey man yeah I'm like you in that I really enjoy pizza and whatnot and I actually have still been throwing in some stuff like it once in a while without over-thinking it. Likewise the other day I really felt like milk so I drank a big glass of it. I agree the whole purpose is to find something you can do without stressing yourself out, and just guides the majority of your eating but not all of it. I'm slowly changing my lifestyle in ways which I can maintain which is the most important thing as you said!
Personally I doubt I'll be going back to the gym ever or in a long time. Just jogging and slowly getting back into pushups/crunches and other weights just using the floor and my own weight or dumbells at home is all I plan on doing. I don't want to put on size at all and whilst I'd like to be nicely ripped doing much or even any weights isn't sustainable right now. Hopefully in the near future I'll find more time to spend on exercise.
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