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On March 06 2013 04:14 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:10 Grumbels wrote:
A lot of people basically only care about meat. (try to say the word bacon on reddit and watch the ensuing lovefest) The paleo diet is primarily about eating a lot of meat, hence its popularity. Well, maybe we didn't frequent the same communities. As far as I know, meat is to be consumed with moderation, although at every meal. From what I read, what is stressed is vegetable consumption : anything you want, as much as you want (which isn't a lot of fun).
"Consume meat in moderation, at every meal." Yes, that's the definition of "in moderation"...
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Well, every big meal, which means three times a day. If you count an intake of ~80g of meat in average, it isn't that much... although it definitely is much, much more than what our grandparents used to eat (and maybe too much for the Earth to produce really, but that's another larger question).
In fact, I don't really find it that fun to eat so many eggs and so much fish. I guess you could eat bacon everyday, but I don't think any nutritionist would approve that. Similar to the "as much fruit as you want" rule, which can obviously be abused if you're just looking to have tasty meals.
But protein intake for any sportive diet is pretty scary if you look at the production costs.
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On March 06 2013 00:39 QuanticHawk wrote:
i can see avoiding grains and processed shit, but what's with no beans?? beans are fucking awesome and generally pretty healthy. i am no nutritionist so i dont know why that is
my only experience with paleo stuff is once I made some pad thai recipe i saw using zucchini instead of noodles, i think. it was pretty good actually
Yeah I used to consume a lot of beans, lentils, chickpeas etc. I actually didn't eat much meat at all for quite a few years when I was extremely poor while studying and used a lot of legumes to make up for it. I haven't looked into the rationalisation behind them being not bad for you, nutritionally. I think I'll look it up.
First google search pro-paleo:
"Legumes have a similar story to grains; they weren’t consumed by the paleo hunter-gatherer because they needed to be cooked in order to be edible. Legumes also have similar traits to grains in their make-up; they contain phytates which inhibit nutrient absorption and cause inflammation. They also contain lectins and play with healthy hormonal functions.
Types of legumes to avoid on the paleo diet include lentils, all beans (such as kidney beans, pinto beans and broad beans), peanuts (peanuts are a legume not a nut), soy beans and chickpeas." http://www.livingpaleo.com/foods-to-avoid-on-the-paleo-diet/
Next google search "debunking paleo":
"But (and there’s a big “but”): Legumes and whole grains have also been shown to reduce risk of disease and improve insulin sensitivity and blood glucose levels — not to mention decrease BMI[7][8][9][10]. So what justifies keeping them out of our bellies? Paleo proponents argue that legumes, grains, and other starches (i.e. potatoes) contain high levels of antinutrients (lectin, prolamin, phytate and saponins, for starters). These compounds, the Paleo philosophy holds, block key digestive enzymes, promote inflammation and, in some cases, lie at the root of autoimmune diseases and cancer[11].
Research does show that excess consumption of some antinutrients offsets our belly’s bacteria levels and puts us at risk for inflammatory diseases like asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, and inflammatory bowel syndrome[12][13]. But there isn’t as much science to support cutting them out completely. Some studies suggest dietary lectins from legumes and grains may bolster good bacteria inside our tummies and aid digestion[14]." -http://greatist.com/health/debunking-diets-paleo-facts/
On March 06 2013 03:59 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 03:23 Grumbels wrote:
I don't get the paleo diet. It sounds to me like a pseudo intellectual way to rationalize eating lots of meat and eggs every day. Congrats, you can now convince yourself that the food you want to eat anyway is good for you. Huh? The paleo diet is actually quite restrictive. Try eating only meat and vegetables. It's not cheap and it's not easy to make, unlike daily plates of pasta.
I've found my grocery bills actually aren't any higher, partly because I don't spend money anymore. I know in some countries meat and fresh produce is a lot more expensive than here in Australia though so it would be extremely hard to follow in a place like Japan!
I have to agree with you that the whole caveman, rationality behind the diet and lack of strong science behind some of its elements makes me doubt the benefits of it all. I do think the way it's explained like this gives it an incredibly sensory description to the diet that makes it seem very attractive. It is extremely easy to understand the general concept behind the diet, and the diet itself involves eating a lot of meat, fresh fruit and vegetables and of course this makes people feel good. Hence hype builds around the diet and it gets very popular.
That being said I feel there are some points in the diet which are very strong. For me, a diet is just a way of guiding myself towards eating foods that make me strong and feel good, and away from the ones that make me feel like crap. The Paleo diet rules out all the categories of food that are extremely energy-dense and emphasises ways to enjoy a lot of foods that you can eat until you are full. This results in a diet that allows you to lose weight, sleep well, feel stronger and healthier from increased protein and vegetable/fruit nutrition and at the end of the day it doesn't impact your lifestyle very heavily. There are no moments where you feel like starving and in fact you feel less lethargic and tired after meals as your body fills up quicker and digests easier on meat + vegies.
So for me the diet is a big win so far. I think I'll start taking a multivitamin and eating sesame seeds to make up my calcium and any other nutritional holes in the diet  .
I appreciate the feedback from everyone it's already made me more aware of a few things I'll be researching into further
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Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded.
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Everything contains anti-nutrients and everything will eventually kill you. Tomatoes, eggplants, dairy, grains, nuts all contain high amounts of lectin.
Cooking for 10 minutes eliminates most of the anti-nutrients in legumes.
On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20888279 Yes, eat lots of proteins and die of diabetes.
You can only build a few grams of muscle per day, how much protein do you think is necessary for that?
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On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
No pain, no gain right?
This kind of nonsense gave me a couple of chronic pains. Some of my joints are damaged for life.
This isn't about being a pussy, it's about not being an idiot and realizing that we didn't gain the knowledge we have by running head first into brick walls.
Sigh.
By the way, this isn't about getting shredded.
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What's ironic is how much female hormone they put into milk.
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On March 06 2013 08:53 Grumbels wrote:Everything contains anti-nutrients and everything will eventually kill you. Tomatoes, eggplants, dairy, grains, nuts all contain high amounts of lectin. Cooking for 10 minutes eliminates most of the anti-nutrients in legumes. Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20888279 Yes, eat lots of proteins and die of diabetes. You can only build a few grams of muscle per day, how much protein do you think is necessary for that?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23378612
Consumption of milk and dairy products has been associated with reduced risk of metabolic disorders and cardiovascular disease. Milk contains two primary sources of protein, casein (80%) and whey (20%). Recently, the beneficial physiological effects of whey protein on the control of food intake and glucose metabolism have been reported. Studies have shown an insulinotropic and glucose-lowering properties of whey protein in healthy and Type 2 diabetes subjects. Whey protein seems to induce these effects via bioactive peptides and amino acids generated during its gastrointestinal digestion. These amino acids and peptides stimulate the release of several gut hormones, such as cholecystokinin, peptide YY and the incretins gastric inhibitory peptide and glucagon-like peptide 1 that potentiate insulin secretion from β-cells and are associated with regulation of food intake. The bioactive peptides generated from whey protein may also serve as endogenous inhibitors of dipeptidyl peptidase-4 (DPP-4) in the proximal gut, preventing incretin degradation. Indeed, recently, DPP-4 inhibitors were identified in whey protein hydrolysates. This review will focus on the emerging properties of whey protein and its potential clinical application for obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
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On March 06 2013 11:49 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 08:53 Grumbels wrote:Everything contains anti-nutrients and everything will eventually kill you. Tomatoes, eggplants, dairy, grains, nuts all contain high amounts of lectin. Cooking for 10 minutes eliminates most of the anti-nutrients in legumes. On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20888279 Yes, eat lots of proteins and die of diabetes. You can only build a few grams of muscle per day, how much protein do you think is necessary for that? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23378612Show nested quote +
Consumption of milk and dairy products has been associated with reduced risk of metabolic disorders and cardiovascular disease. Milk contains two primary sources of protein, casein (80%) and whey (20%). Recently, the beneficial physiological effects of whey protein on the control of food intake and glucose metabolism have been reported. Studies have shown an insulinotropic and glucose-lowering properties of whey protein in healthy and Type 2 diabetes subjects. Whey protein seems to induce these effects via bioactive peptides and amino acids generated during its gastrointestinal digestion. These amino acids and peptides stimulate the release of several gut hormones, such as cholecystokinin, peptide YY and the incretins gastric inhibitory peptide and glucagon-like peptide 1 that potentiate insulin secretion from β-cells and are associated with regulation of food intake. The bioactive peptides generated from whey protein may also serve as endogenous inhibitors of dipeptidyl peptidase-4 (DPP-4) in the proximal gut, preventing incretin degradation. Indeed, recently, DPP-4 inhibitors were identified in whey protein hydrolysates. This review will focus on the emerging properties of whey protein and its potential clinical application for obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
He said: "eat lots of protein" as if it was a good idea. Most people already get too much protein. Dairy is not recommended by many nutritionists for other reasons.
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The easiest way to get protein into your diet is via milk and whey protein powder, clearly examplified and implied by his first sentence, "Stop being a pussy and drink milk"...
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On March 06 2013 12:37 Cambium wrote:
The easiest way to get protein into your diet is via milk and whey protein powder, clearly examplified and implied by his first sentence, "Stop being a pussy and drink milk"...
Yes, that's how it works. People have a diet and supplement with whey powder to the recommended amount of protein daily. /sarcasm
Most people don't take protein supplements, yet they still get too much protein just from dairy and meat. A recommendation like eat lots of protein in normal day language means to increase your meat intake.
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how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat.
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On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat.
wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that
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On March 06 2013 08:34 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Stop being a pussy and drink milk, lift heavy weights, get shredded.
You call yourself Australian and yet you disrespect the name of Zyzz.
If you want to lose weight, lots of protein, and less calories in then you're burning off. That's literally it.
Obviously cutting out junk food is good, but that shouldn't even be part of your diet, I mean if you don't have the willpower to stop drinking coke and eating pizza, you probably don't have the drive to be a top pro gamer either.
Lift weights. Eat protein. Get shredded.
Literally the stupidest post I've ever read
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On March 06 2013 04:44 Boblion wrote:
I'm closer of being underweight lol i only do this to get better results when i'm practicing. (1m80 and ~70kg)
Bodyfat around 15%.
Considering your weight, your bodyfat is high.
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May I ask what your longterm goal is? Do you want your nutrition to change into paleo? Do you want to do it for a period of time? Do you want to sustain muscles, build muscles? Do you want definition...
Without any goal it is very hard to give you insight on nutrition
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On March 06 2013 14:11 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 13:00 AoN.DimSum wrote:
how much protein do u eat a day then? i try to get 160-200g of protein a day. which is a little over 1kg of meat. wiki says that recommended dietary intake is just 56g, so you're very much over that
I also watched a documentary on the industry of protein supplements, and there's a very strong lobby pushing for higher numbers, when in fact a good number of nutritionists disagree and claim that a 30g intake is more than enough for the average person.
We must not forget that the agro-alimentary industry is big, big business.
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I sent a message to sheth on skype about this diet and Ill briefly run over what I experienced with it.
Firstly, it is built to lose weight, its not a lifestyle. You are not a caveman, you dont exercise like a cave man and you dont require the same things as a caveman. You also want to live past 30, unlike cavemen. Evolution in foods has adapted to our lifestyle, eating healthy is important, but there are reasons that some foods are farmed. For instance, white rice is farmed in SEA because its 1) cheap 2) easy to grow in the climate. It fills the stomach at low cost, if you cannot afford a healthy diet. It has very little nutritional value unless you are running marathons and need excessive slow release carbs.
(this is an example of why food is farmed)
Of course there are good things to take from the paleo diet, eating healthy, getting protein from food and not powder.. But if you don't mix it with good exercise you will end up with a low amount of muscle and a nice layer of fat over it all. You will have to work very hard to get rid of the excess.
I lost the final 5 kgs after switching back to carbs. Your body adapts stay healthy, mix it up and exercise as much as you have time for.
Edit: Oh.... And one thing you will need to do, make sure you have a good intake of amino acids, or your muscle will go bye bye
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On March 05 2013 10:58 PiGStarcraft wrote:Large servings of meat, eggs and vegetables at all my meals + several pieces of fruit/nuts throughout the day for snacks has been amazing. I rarely crave junk anymore, and can always eat until I'm full. I feel physically stronger, more energetic and mentally a lot more positive probably because my body is satisfied all the time and I'm not stuffing my face with chocolate late at night! Some common recipes I cook: Breakfast: Omelette (2 servings) - Ingredients: 6-8 eggs (depending on size) ~400gm of frozen vegies (capsicum, beans, broccoli, cauliflower) 2 rashers of bacon (optional) +any leftovers, chicken, roast vegies or whatever else. Mixed herbs or Oregano salt + pepper Preparation: 1) Defrost vegies in microwave 2) dice bacon 3) chuck them both in the fry pan to fry up 4) break the eggs into a bowl and add a good amount of pepper + herbs, if not using bacon add some salt too. 5) whisk the eggs thoroughly till a thick yellow paste with no lumps 6) Once the bacon and vegies are cooked to your liking pour the eggs over and reduce frypan to low heat. Cook ~7-8 minutes or until browning and then turn over and cook another 2-3 minutes on the other side or until browning. ^^ breakfast/lunch of champions  As for vegies, frozen vegies get pretty boring after a while so myself and Dot have started baking up a bigass batch of pumpkin, sweet potato and carrots once a week. We brush them all lightly in oil and mixed herbs and bake them for about 30-40 minutes @180degrees then increase to 230degrees for another 10 minutes to crisp them up. Apparently if you add cinnamon it's delicious, looking to try this on our next batch Result = a constant supply of delicious roast vegies to go along with every meal. Often dinner is just a good serving of roast vegies + whatever the meat of the day is: Pork chops Lamb chops Steak One of Jinxx's amazing chicken marinades: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=6600Roast Lamb How is this any different from Atkins?
Ok so since on this I've dropped about 3-4kg in the past I'd say month or 6 weeks.
TBH, that's exactly what I'd expect from any low carb diet. I think you'll have trouble converting it into a lifestyle, however, and there's other negative side effects from eating that much red meat.
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atkins doesnt allow fruit, at least for the first two weeks
my mom apparently just started it and i was trying to tell her it is dumb but whatever
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