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Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
February 15 2013 16:14 GMT
#21
On February 16 2013 01:10 kerpal wrote:
Pucca, perhaps I can shed some light on the 'I don't want to play vs Random' phenomenum

I always ask people to pick a race because I feel like I'm still learning the game. Same reason I don't cheese and I hate playing against people who go 2port wraith. My priority is to first get my standard zvp and zvt up to the point where I can play d/d+.

I want to know what build I'm doing and focus on execution, playing vs random mostly means playing from behind, or starting from an opening you would never do normally, which means I'm going against what limited practice I actually manage. So if you won't pick a race, i kick you and someone else joins in <2mins.


i understand the issue of random I've accepted that long before. I just added to my argument as it another level of annoyance but I deal with that.

I'm still confused about the constant booting on Fish though.
Master Chief
fold
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia665 Posts
February 15 2013 16:29 GMT
#22
On February 16 2013 01:14 Pucca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:10 kerpal wrote:
Pucca, perhaps I can shed some light on the 'I don't want to play vs Random' phenomenum

I always ask people to pick a race because I feel like I'm still learning the game. Same reason I don't cheese and I hate playing against people who go 2port wraith. My priority is to first get my standard zvp and zvt up to the point where I can play d/d+.

I want to know what build I'm doing and focus on execution, playing vs random mostly means playing from behind, or starting from an opening you would never do normally, which means I'm going against what limited practice I actually manage. So if you won't pick a race, i kick you and someone else joins in <2mins.


i understand the issue of random I've accepted that long before. I just added to my argument as it another level of annoyance but I deal with that.

I'm still confused about the constant booting on Fish though.

I doubt they boot you because you speak English. Koreans play each other with no lag on low latency, if they can't stand playing some random with high latency then they'll just boot you. There's plenty of other Koreans to play. That's all, nothing personal.
t.t
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
February 15 2013 17:17 GMT
#23
On February 16 2013 01:29 fold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:14 Pucca wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:10 kerpal wrote:
Pucca, perhaps I can shed some light on the 'I don't want to play vs Random' phenomenum

I always ask people to pick a race because I feel like I'm still learning the game. Same reason I don't cheese and I hate playing against people who go 2port wraith. My priority is to first get my standard zvp and zvt up to the point where I can play d/d+.

I want to know what build I'm doing and focus on execution, playing vs random mostly means playing from behind, or starting from an opening you would never do normally, which means I'm going against what limited practice I actually manage. So if you won't pick a race, i kick you and someone else joins in <2mins.


i understand the issue of random I've accepted that long before. I just added to my argument as it another level of annoyance but I deal with that.

I'm still confused about the constant booting on Fish though.

I doubt they boot you because you speak English. Koreans play each other with no lag on low latency, if they can't stand playing some random with high latency then they'll just boot you. There's plenty of other Koreans to play. That's all, nothing personal.

Then what am I missing? If they type their "gg" in korean in the lobby and I see gg right back why do they boot me immediately I doubt I'll ever understand
Master Chief
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
February 15 2013 17:56 GMT
#24
On February 15 2013 23:28 Pucca wrote:
I doubt I'll ever get a shiny icon on iCCup with me 8-43 record hah.

@ Sayle
I feel so stupid I really should have clarified better in OP let me further explain the points.
1) decent means people would not just quittjust a result the game was FS. As well as people having AH on as I don't want to play against hackers.
2) Not so much as a rant but rather my inability to understand why there is this unspoken rule to not play random player. I prefer to play 10 match ups rather than just 3 going in. It also rewards "legit" random players who learn every matchup a slight advantage in the early game but TBH is a E ranker gonna be able utilize that anytime soon as I difficulty to even keep my money below like 500 lol.
3) communication like being able to write "pp" or "pause please" for people to understand. Like I said above as well I cannot copy and paste Korean without defaulting my whole system language to Korean. If I do not and copy and paste I get ?"s instead Unfortuantely. As for sGs the small amount of time I was in there group issues would arise as at times I'd run into RP's and I'm a Random player problems arises which I don't want further discuss here.
4) It was more of a joke then anything. Dying in 5 minutes is retarded from some cheesy all-in but I get past it. My main point if it does not take as long to find a match I would not mind defending all-ins.

Before random I played a lot of Terran. I'm sure you know TvPnisnquite the common match-up due RP's. I almost never got the chance to play TvT because I was Terran. Constantly playing TvP or the occanionl TvZ. Random I simply have a higher frequency of TvT's and other match-ups.

Slow improvement is fine with me. 8-43 does not bother me one bit. Stuck in the Silver League of sc2 for two years now. Do I understand the game at this point after casting for a whole year I hope so. Executing and understanding game sense is completely different every game and every mp.

My point if this thread / blog is trying to understand these seemingly unspoken rules of BW. I know they have always been there I just can't understand why play all players justify them.

@nagi
That quote is just what I believe what goes on in the Koreans mind not mine. Again my poor ability to be clear in my writing unfortantely. Also fun fact if I was to ask "why" knowing my luck and experience it would be followed with a "has left the game!"

2) stop bitching about it than, there are other alternitives (i.e dice or something)
3) people do understand simpel stuff like PP, gogo. i never had any real trouble communicating on a simpel basis with koreans,
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
February 15 2013 18:21 GMT
#25
On February 15 2013 23:28 Pucca wrote:
As well as people having AH on as I don't want to play against hackers.

Type /nah

People without antihack can't join your games then
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
February 15 2013 18:30 GMT
#26
On February 16 2013 03:21 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 23:28 Pucca wrote:
As well as people having AH on as I don't want to play against hackers.

Type /nah

People without antihack can't join your games then

oh sweet will do thanks
Master Chief
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 19:24:44
February 15 2013 19:21 GMT
#27
People don't want to play versus randoms because frankly it's stupid. Playing against randoms limits you to a few builds.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
February 15 2013 21:23 GMT
#28
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 21:35:05
February 15 2013 21:32 GMT
#29
I think your first 2 points actually answer themselves

1) Spending 5 to 10 minutes getting into a decent lobby
2) Not getting banned / booted because I'm a random player

The whole advantage of not having an automated match making system for me is that I can choose what to play. If I can spend an extra 5 minutes to guarantee the MU and skill level I want, that's definitely helping me improve faster than the alternative. And having a random race opponent pretty much destroys that entire advantage.
It also gives you an unfair advantage(not to mention forcing your opponent into a very limited pool of builds), and I still don't understand how random race players don't feel like dirty scumbags. If you're not playing with honor, you might as well just be a protoss player. Unless you're randoming specifically hoping for the 1/3 chance of autowin 1a2a3aProtossEZgg in which case I can respect a man leaving his fate to the gods.


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Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
February 15 2013 21:50 GMT
#30
On February 16 2013 06:23 ninazerg wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFKWqy2DDfE

troll detected
Master Chief
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
February 15 2013 21:59 GMT
#31
On February 16 2013 06:32 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
If you're not playing with honor, you might as well just be a protoss player. Unless you're randoming specifically hoping for the 1/3 chance of autowin 1a2a3aProtossEZgg

Fuck your racism.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
February 15 2013 22:10 GMT
#32
On February 16 2013 06:50 Pucca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 06:23 ninazerg wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFKWqy2DDfE

troll detected


See how ez it is to get D- games?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
February 15 2013 22:31 GMT
#33
On February 16 2013 06:59 EchOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 06:32 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
If you're not playing with honor, you might as well just be a protoss player. Unless you're randoming specifically hoping for the 1/3 chance of autowin 1a2a3aProtossEZgg

Fuck your racism.


I see a zerg icon.

See: ZvP Winrates.

I guess this is just the subtle way of saying zerg is even easier than protoss. :p
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TurboDreams
Profile Joined April 2009
United States427 Posts
February 16 2013 00:49 GMT
#34
What I like to do when I can't get games on iCCup is to just hop on East and play some BGH games.
Music is the medicine of the mind || Kill a Zergling and a hundred more will take its place.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5479 Posts
May 10 2013 07:36 GMT
#35
Does anybody miss Pucca. His lovely grammatically flawed blog entries and his pointless overcomplicated overlay *improvements*?

Just curious.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
May 10 2013 08:59 GMT
#36
On May 10 2013 16:36 thezanursic wrote:
Does anybody miss Pucca. His lovely grammatically flawed blog entries and his pointless overcomplicated overlay *improvements*?

Just curious.


You necroed this blog just to diss someone. Classy.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
May 10 2013 09:28 GMT
#37
oh god for a moment I actually thought he was back.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 10 2013 09:56 GMT
#38
Wait, Pucca was nuked? What happened?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
May 10 2013 11:37 GMT
#39
On May 10 2013 18:56 Hesmyrr wrote:
Wait, Pucca was nuked? What happened?

this happened
En Taro Violet
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
May 10 2013 11:56 GMT
#40
On May 10 2013 16:36 thezanursic wrote:
Does anybody miss Pucca. His lovely grammatically flawed blog entries and his pointless overcomplicated overlay *improvements*?

Just curious.


He made a thread just two days ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=411558
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