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Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports.
We are in mid February of 2013 with no clear road map for a 2013 championship other than "there will be a big SC2 competition at the next Blizzcon". Rob Simpson, the most public member of the "eSports Team" is now gone. Blizzard has yet to announce his replacement. If the "eSports Team" were growing Rob would have 2 replacements. Ilja Rotelli left a while ago. GomTV, with Blizzard as a major sponsor, is down to five seasons of 1v1 play for 2013. The makers of SC2 took a nice long run in the arena of eSports and discovered first hand its lack of profitability. And, when you are part of a company that generates almost 5 billion dollars in a quarter year profitability is a key factor in any decision. Activision-Blizzard and Blizzard proper expect mammoth revenue and profit numbers. These numbers are not forthcoming and Blizzard has quietly moved on.
Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events. I'd like to thank Blizzard for putting forth such great effort in support eSports since July 2010. I'd also like to thank them for taking a good long sustained look into eSports and not merely running 1 event and saying 'this sucks, we will never do this again'.
Competitive eSports may well become a major sport on the scale of football, baseball, or basketball, but that is a long way off.
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Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport.
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Pretty fair assessment Jim.
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On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport.
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I don't think they have scaled back their efforts. Everyday, I see more and more content from them based around esports, whether it be guides on how to start up a tournament, or just advertising other tournaments as much as they can. They may not be doing everything they could be, but we are definitely seeing improvement.
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On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. Chess is considered a sport by the IOC. It's even called e-sport to show that it is different from just sports. They are electronic sports. Just like how sports relating to cars and the likes are called Motor-sports.
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Rob Simpson may be the most iconic person within the E-Sports team of Blizzard, but he wasn't the main people running things.
To note, they just got a new directior and senior manager. They just don't announce who they are so openly.
This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts. Additionally, development companies no longer making events does not mean scaling back support but rather means relying on those whose main job is to create amazing events.
Let's also not forget that they're working more on the release of HOTS and establishing tournaments switching over to that rather than focusing on some grand scheme of events.
Wait and see.
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On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Rob Simpson may be the most iconic person within the E-Sports team of Blizzard, but he wasn't the main people running things.
To note, they just got a new directior and senior manager. They just don't announce who they are so openly.
This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts. Additionally, development companies no longer making events does not mean scaling back support but rather means relying on those whose main job is to create amazing events.
Let's also not forget that they're working more on the release of HOTS and establishing tournaments switching over to that rather than focusing on some grand scheme of events.
Wait and see.
prize money will be substantially lower in 2013 than 2012.
GOMTV has released its schedule. MLG has released nothing except a 32 player invite only thing. Shall I continue listing all the majors?
"nothing" has already been happening for six weeks therefore nothing is happening.
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On February 11 2013 01:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Rob Simpson may be the most iconic person within the E-Sports team of Blizzard, but he wasn't the main people running things.
To note, they just got a new directior and senior manager. They just don't announce who they are so openly.
This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts. Additionally, development companies no longer making events does not mean scaling back support but rather means relying on those whose main job is to create amazing events.
Let's also not forget that they're working more on the release of HOTS and establishing tournaments switching over to that rather than focusing on some grand scheme of events.
Wait and see.
prize money will be lower in 2013 than 2012.
So that concludes everything you're assumed?
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On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport. Being a good sweeper requires a lot of physical ability.
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as you've noted they are working on something far more profitable than eSports. they are working on an expansion pack.
i don't blame blizzard at all for scaling back their eSports efforts because it makes almost no money for a company of their size and scale.
On February 11 2013 01:24 GogoKodo wrote: Being a good sweeper requires a lot of physical ability. yep, so does playing SC2. which is why players retire at 30. Unlike Curling where Glenn Howard or Russ Howard or whatever his name is .. is a top player at like 50.
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On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. someone does not understand what a sport is. starcraft > chess > curling. and look which one is in the olympics. (smirk)
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On February 11 2013 01:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: as you've noted they are working on something far more profitable than eSports. they are working on an expansion pack.
i don't blame blizzard at all for scaling back their eSports efforts because it makes almost no money for a company of their size and scale.
But Torte literally just said they are not scaling back their esports efforts.
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On February 11 2013 01:28 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. someone does not understand what a sport is. starcraft > chess > curling. and look which one is in the olympics. (smirk) Curling absolutely 100% deserves to be in the Olympics.
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On February 11 2013 01:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Rob Simpson may be the most iconic person within the E-Sports team of Blizzard, but he wasn't the main people running things.
To note, they just got a new directior and senior manager. They just don't announce who they are so openly.
This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts. Additionally, development companies no longer making events does not mean scaling back support but rather means relying on those whose main job is to create amazing events.
Let's also not forget that they're working more on the release of HOTS and establishing tournaments switching over to that rather than focusing on some grand scheme of events.
Wait and see.
prize money will be substantially lower in 2013 than 2012. GOMTV has released its schedule. MLG has released nothing except a 32 player invite only thing. Shall I continue listing all the majors? "nothing" has already been happening for six weeks therefore nothing is happening.
Six weeks dictates a year right? MLG has a 32-player invite-only thing for their own reasons, not due to Blizzard's scaling back "efforts"
Yeah, keep listing them, because you're not really showing much conclusion. You just don't know anything to be real honest (neither do I, but I'm not making claims that their efforts are scaling back based on small tidbits).
Didn't hear anything about IEM DreamHack IPL7 (IPL6 is open-bracket HOTS + Qualifier regionals + Wings of Liberty Regionals + IPLTL). + How wrong you are about staff within Blizzard and their plans: Rotelli's been replaced and the senior manager has been hired.
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Over all, you will see fewer events and less money handed out by Blizzard in 2013. Furthermore, you'll see the same trend from Blizzard sponsored events. Lastly, eSports events that include SC2 and do not involve Blizzard will also be down in 2013.
Blizzard is not going to increase its support from what essentially has become "post sales support" and not even a break even proposition.
To conclude, less prize money and fewer events equals less support.
Blizzard's underlying motive: most profit for fewest resources committed. That is achieved by making new games.
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Quickly! State things as facts with no evidence and do it to show Starcraft 2 is dead!
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Yes, I see your conclusion. It just doesn't have much to support it.
This is what I'm asking, but whether I think you're wrong or you're right doesn't matter.
You're just thinking out loud.
edit: I'm going to bookmark this and screenshot it and message you in six months to get you to follow-up on this.
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excellent idea. and look at it again in one year as well.
As far as "nothing to support it".
what replaces this? http://us.battle.net/bwc/en/
there is 500K in prize money and 30 Blizzard produced events.
How much is being handed out in the GSL this year?
I could rhyme off the declining numbers of independent small scale online events, but i'm too lazy.
On February 11 2013 01:59 kollin wrote: Quickly! State things as facts with no evidence and do it to show Starcraft 2 is dead! this is basically the perspective of a 10 year old child.
scaling back support of SC2 eSports is only one aspect of Starcraft2.
Putting efforts into creating a phenomenal experience with the Expansion Pack is a way in which Blizzard is helping move SC2 forward.
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On February 11 2013 02:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:excellent idea. and look at it again in one year as well. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:59 kollin wrote: Quickly! State things as facts with no evidence and do it to show Starcraft 2 is dead! this is basically the perspective of a 10 year old child. scaling back support of SC2 eSports is only one aspect of Starcraft2. Putting efforts into creating a phenomenal experience with the Expansion Pack is a way in which Blizzard is helping move SC2 forward. As far as "nothing to support it". what replaces this? http://us.battle.net/bwc/en/there is 500K in prize money and 30 Blizzard produced events. How do you know what the event they said would be at Blizzcon will be like? Oh, you don't. So until we are more than 6 weeks into this year, stop proclaiming that the sky is falling and just be patient.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I'm with Torte on this. Six weeks have passed and there hasn't been an overflow of information, but January/February of last year weren't the most intense weeks in Starcraft II, either - things got much more action-packed (if you want to use that word) towards the mid/end of the year.
So yes, please continue listing all the "majors" , because from what I can see nothing significant has changed in Gom's schedule for 2013 compared to 2012, MLG is doing their 32-man invitational thing for MLG for reasons that are completely different than "Blizzard is scaling back their support", and IPL6 looks to be quite the massive event.
Blizzard may not be as public with what they do for eSports as Riot Games is, but they sure as heck are doing things - you might want to wait until they release information before you say there is none to be released - they may just have decided to wait with announcing their plans.
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did i ever say "zero support" and $0 of prize money with no events all year?
On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts.
I did not say 'nothing' just 'less support' it is a matter of degree not an "all or nothing".
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"The Great Blizzard eSports Experiment Is Over"
"Substantially scaled back..."
Yea...
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You're crazy if you ever though Blizzard gave half a shit about esports in the first place. Certainly they had no qualms about killing off the largest existing esports scene in BW. The only reason they subsidize SC2 tournaments is because they think it'll get you to buy their overpriced new expansions. When LotV is out, don't expect another penny from Blizzard.
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On February 11 2013 02:25 LaLuSh wrote: "The Great Blizzard eSports Experiment Is Over"
"Substantially scaled back..."
Yea...
Yep, BWC is done and never to return. It'll be interesting to see if an MLG Open Bracket happens again.
"Substantially scaled back" does not equal 0... all this is just bickering over semantics though... you've got the point.
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Where is your source on that?
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On February 11 2013 02:36 kollin wrote: Where is your source on that?
the lack of revenue generated from Blizzard eSports events.
however, my points were limited to 2013. nothing like BWC for 2013.
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You said that BWC is done and never to return. Not just in 2013, but never. And there's no way you can know how much revenue was generated from Blizzard esports events, because you don't work for Blizzard and have no financial insight into their company.
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On February 11 2013 02:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:did i ever say "zero support" and $0 of prize money with no events all year? Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts.
I did not say 'nothing' just 'less support' it is a matter of degree not an "all or nothing".
"Blizzard's eSport experiment is over" kind of implies zero support, you know. But fair enough, I'll play along. MLG_Adam (I believe it was Adam, any way) stated that the no open bracket-thing for Dallas was a one-off thing, caused by difficulties with things such as the beta server's stability. Nowhere was it implied that there will never be any more open brackets. As such, I'm unsure why you think there won't be - care to share your opinion on this matter?
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On February 11 2013 02:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 02:25 LaLuSh wrote: "The Great Blizzard eSports Experiment Is Over"
"Substantially scaled back..."
Yea... Yep, BWC is done and never to return. It'll be interesting to see if an MLG Open Bracket happens again. "Substantially scaled back" does not equal 0... all this is just bickering over semantics though... you've got the point. Yeah, because nothing is announced, let's nothing will happen again. I'm fairly sure MLG will do open brackets again. (But this assumption is as baseless are yours)
I think all this lack of tournaments has to do with the fact that HotS is coming out soon, thus organizing WoL tournaments right now is not really interesting.
How do you know BWC will never return?
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On February 11 2013 02:44 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 02:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:did i ever say "zero support" and $0 of prize money with no events all year? On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts.
I did not say 'nothing' just 'less support' it is a matter of degree not an "all or nothing". "Blizzard's eSport experiment is over" kind of implies zero support, you know. But fair enough, I'll play along. MLG_Adam (I believe it was Adam, any way) stated that the no open bracket-thing for Dallas was a one-off thing, caused by difficulties with things such as the beta server's stability. Nowhere was it implied that there will never be any more open brackets. As such, I'm unsure why you think there won't be - care to share your opinion on this matter?
the experiment was BWC 2012... that's 500K ... gone. Blizzard strongly believes in post sales support and supporting eSports events is part of that. Just don't expect the size and scale of support we received in 2012.
The main motive behind this is that Blizzard can make more money from game making than from eSports support.
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On February 11 2013 02:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 02:44 Zealously wrote:On February 11 2013 02:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:did i ever say "zero support" and $0 of prize money with no events all year? On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts.
I did not say 'nothing' just 'less support' it is a matter of degree not an "all or nothing". "Blizzard's eSport experiment is over" kind of implies zero support, you know. But fair enough, I'll play along. MLG_Adam (I believe it was Adam, any way) stated that the no open bracket-thing for Dallas was a one-off thing, caused by difficulties with things such as the beta server's stability. Nowhere was it implied that there will never be any more open brackets. As such, I'm unsure why you think there won't be - care to share your opinion on this matter? the experiment was BWC 2012.
Which you know will never return because you have insight into the financial aspects of BWC, correct? If that's not what you're saying then I'm sorry, but that's what I get from your posts.
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I guess blogs are often a way of being able to give your opinion on things, but I think if you want to be taken seriously by people who don't already think the same way you do, you'll need to back what you're saying up with some analysis or data because it just comes off as cynical train-of-thought doom and gloom. You might have a reason for believing what you believe, but if you don't actually write it down, it just sounds like an opinion without anything supporting it. If everyone does this in a thread, the thread becomes a shouting match of opinions rehashed in slightly different ways and nothing gets done.
On February 10 2013 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports.
How do you know? Of course, this could be your conclusion, so then I'd expect some sort of rationale for this statement later.
We are in mid February of 2013 with no clear road map for a 2013 championship other than "there will be a big SC2 competition at the next Blizzcon".
This far back from the last WCS we didn't have a roadmap. I think this is probably one of the more telling lines from your post--- I read it as "I dont know what is happening in the future, I'm afraid, therefore I will prepare for the worst. Oh my god, the worst is going to happen, here it is guys".
Rob Simpson, the most public member of the "eSports Team" is now gone. Blizzard has yet to announce his replacement.
Therefore there is no replacement? I don't even understand this.
If the "eSports Team" were growing Rob would have 2 replacements.
Do you know the size of the 'eSports Team'? No. Do you know if it is growing or shrinking or staying the same? no.
Ilja Rotelli left a while ago. GomTV, with Blizzard as a major sponsor, is down to five seasons of 1v1 play for 2013.
I don't think you're arguing that GomTV is dying, so what exactly are you arguing?
The makers of SC2 took a nice long run in the arena of eSports and discovered first hand its lack of profitability.
Assertion. Any evidence for this? I doubt they even have a detailed breakdown of cost/benefit of promoting esports. It's not just licensing and sales, it's also brand equity. A single WCS and its effect on future sales/brand equity is a really small data set.
And, when you are part of a company that generates almost 5 billion dollars in a quarter year profitability is a key factor in any decision. Activision-Blizzard and Blizzard proper expect mammoth revenue and profit numbers. These numbers are not forthcoming and Blizzard has quietly moved on.
This comes across as reminescent of posts by these doom-and-gloom shills for other companies that post in competitors boards, etc. Not saying you are, in fact I think you're not, but again, you're just throwing assertions around without any logical structure to them, with the general theme of 'bad things happening'. You don't know what the numbers are, I doubt even Blizzard does in as much detail as would be necessary to determine profitability.
Competitive eSports may well become a major sport on the scale of football, baseball, or basketball, but that is a long way off.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you there.
tldr; chill out dude, things are gonna be okay. Not knowing does not imply bad, it implies unknown. I think a safe assumption is that at worst, the game will be a hell of a lot better, the hard core foundation of SC2 will grow, and support for esports will continue. I don't think there's info to conclude anything else.
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So GSL is scaling back to 5 main seasons, so far we have no idea about OSL, which could easily have 3 seasons this year. Proleague and GSTL, IPL IPTL, DH, IEM and many more other LAn tourneys that we have each year, seems to me that it looks pretty much like last year just with hopefully more OSL's.
You also have to remember that because of HotS releasing part way thru the year that some event organisers won't want to commit to announcing an event until they see how balanced etc hots is.
Besides all that, the ultimate goal for Blizzard is that they shouldn't have to put ANY of their own money in to anything except BWC/blizzcon tourneys. You could equally argue that the scene is now so healthy that blizzard can afford to scale back their investment in to esports without worrying about it crumbling.
You are making an argument from ignorance, it is akin to saying "look in the sky, there is a UFO. It must be aliens." you've gone from not knowing what it is (The U in UFO standing for unidentified) to stating exactly what it is, in one sentence. Basically you have said, someone left the company, GSL have less seasons, this means BLizzard are pulling their support of esports. When you have no evidence that is the case, in fact you have no evidence on which to make any judgement. You are arguing from ignorance.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
GSL doesn't actually have less seasons, though - 5 seasons this year, just like last year.
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The only way any of this makes any sense is if it is put forth after HOTS is released.....As of now, if I want some mongering I'd prefer fish.
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On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport.
Hell no it isn't. I will be under the assumption that you have never tried curling, and definitely have never been a competitive curler. Matches are 2.5-3 hours each and in competition it isn't unusual to play 3 games a day. As a sweeper on the front end you basically working in 30 second spurts as hard as you can on and off for the whole game. Not the most physically demanding by any right, but still requires high level of fitness at a olympic level and a massive amount of skill and knowledge of the game.
How can anything not be more physically demanding than sitting down using a keyboard and a mouse.
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On February 11 2013 04:55 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport. Hell no it isn't. I will be under the assumption that you have never tried curling, and definitely have never been a competitive curler. Matches are 2.5-3 hours each and in competition it isn't unusual to play 3 games a day. As a sweeper on the front end you basically working in 30 second spurts as hard as you can on and off for the whole game. Not the most physically demanding by any right, but still requires high level of fitness at a olympic level and a massive amount of skill and knowledge of the game. How can anything not be more physically demanding than sitting down using a keyboard and a mouse. Look at how Mvp destroyed himself, and Taeja is in the process of doing that.
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On February 11 2013 05:02 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 04:55 Mementoss wrote:On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport. Hell no it isn't. I will be under the assumption that you have never tried curling, and definitely have never been a competitive curler. Matches are 2.5-3 hours each and in competition it isn't unusual to play 3 games a day. As a sweeper on the front end you basically working in 30 second spurts as hard as you can on and off for the whole game. Not the most physically demanding by any right, but still requires high level of fitness at a olympic level and a massive amount of skill and knowledge of the game. How can anything not be more physically demanding than sitting down using a keyboard and a mouse. Look at how Mvp destroyed himself, and Taeja is in the process of doing that.
By that case, then we should consider competitive programming and hardcore web searching as being possibly a sport because they too induce wrist related injuries? One or few people getting physical injuries shouldn't validate whether a hobby or interest is considered physically demanding.
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On February 11 2013 05:03 BirdKiller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 05:02 kollin wrote:On February 11 2013 04:55 Mementoss wrote:On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport. Hell no it isn't. I will be under the assumption that you have never tried curling, and definitely have never been a competitive curler. Matches are 2.5-3 hours each and in competition it isn't unusual to play 3 games a day. As a sweeper on the front end you basically working in 30 second spurts as hard as you can on and off for the whole game. Not the most physically demanding by any right, but still requires high level of fitness at a olympic level and a massive amount of skill and knowledge of the game. How can anything not be more physically demanding than sitting down using a keyboard and a mouse. Look at how Mvp destroyed himself, and Taeja is in the process of doing that. By that case, then we should consider competitive programming and hardcore web searching as being possibly a sport because they too induce wrist related injuries? One or few people getting physical injuries shouldn't validate whether a hobby or interest is considered a sport.
Those are not as intense and do not cause injuries as severe, nor as frequently, as is the case with competetive Starcraft. The two cannot be compared fairly. The point is, if Chess is considered a sport then so should Starcraft - because they require much the same skillsets.
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They are transitioning right now from WoL to HotS.
It makes sense that there would be somewhat of a slow down right now. They have bigger things to worry about such as getting the game released and balanced, before they can worry about enhancing the eSports aspects. They even said they are going to be looking at the tournament results for balance, they need to get the balance in place before working on expanding majorly.
Besides, if you look at the info on their launch day events, they mention plans for eSports information to be announced soon. They haven't even announced the launch day event plans yet (it says "coming soon...") so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Blizzard knows one of the only reasons SC2 is as successful as it is right now is the eSports support. Especially compared to their other recent releases...
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As was said, we are in a transition period.
Beyond that, it really doesn't matter what their level of involvement is in the pro scene while they intentionally sabotage it with expansions and reverting play back to WoL launch by adding new units that they intentionally keep overpowered as all hell to encourage their usage instead of scaling them initially to something sane and letting people add them in as needed.
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The OP forgot the 24 hour launch party that features one show match after another around the globe with top players and casters participating.
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these posts do not help at all.....hate seeing them pop up on the side!
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Playability should have less importance than watch ability. Sports today is all about the viewers - fantasy leagues, numbers, stats and TEAMs. Whatever videogames actually does this at a level that is "watchable" with sports center like highlights - wins!
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On February 11 2013 05:03 BirdKiller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 05:02 kollin wrote:On February 11 2013 04:55 Mementoss wrote:On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport. Hell no it isn't. I will be under the assumption that you have never tried curling, and definitely have never been a competitive curler. Matches are 2.5-3 hours each and in competition it isn't unusual to play 3 games a day. As a sweeper on the front end you basically working in 30 second spurts as hard as you can on and off for the whole game. Not the most physically demanding by any right, but still requires high level of fitness at a olympic level and a massive amount of skill and knowledge of the game. How can anything not be more physically demanding than sitting down using a keyboard and a mouse. Look at how Mvp destroyed himself, and Taeja is in the process of doing that. By that case, then we should consider competitive programming and hardcore web searching as being possibly a sport because they too induce wrist related injuries? One or few people getting physical injuries shouldn't validate whether a hobby or interest is considered physically demanding.
If people competed in programming and web searching then yes they'd be a sport.
Competition + Physicality (I.E: Wrist injuries) = Sport. What's your actual point?
@Above: That's not entirely true only partially, LoL is doing really well as an E-sport despite being far, far less watchable to a casual viewer than sc2 (Compare lots of random coloured lights with no visible effects to Seeing a Tank shoot a marine.) just because of it's much larger player base. On the other hand, much less of the LoL playerbase watches any LoL at all, likely due to this low watchability I already described. So a mixture is very vital.
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@JimmyJRaynor, Thank you for telling us this, we really need people like you to point this things out, I mean where would we be as a community if you didn't make posts like this, think of the actual impact this will make on the community as whole. It's great and I think many others will thank you for the effort you put into the post. It's really awesome, i really mean it....NOT.
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This is one of the silliest things I've read in a while.
"No one has announced full plans yet, therefore nothing is happening."
For all we know WCS could stay the same or even be more expansive than last year, just the Grand Finals happening at Blizzcon instead of in China.
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I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release.
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On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote: I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release.
say good bye to IPL.
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On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote: I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL. It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish.
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On February 11 2013 01:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Rob Simpson may be the most iconic person within the E-Sports team of Blizzard, but he wasn't the main people running things.
To note, they just got a new directior and senior manager. They just don't announce who they are so openly.
This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts. Additionally, development companies no longer making events does not mean scaling back support but rather means relying on those whose main job is to create amazing events.
Let's also not forget that they're working more on the release of HOTS and establishing tournaments switching over to that rather than focusing on some grand scheme of events.
Wait and see.
prize money will be substantially lower in 2013 than 2012. GOMTV has released its schedule. MLG has released nothing except a 32 player invite only thing. Shall I continue listing all the majors? "nothing" has already been happening for six weeks therefore nothing is happening.
That's a ridiculous connection to draw. The 1 tournament a month GSL thing was actually just silly. And most of these murky waters coincide with the release of HoTs. NASL has been growing, as has IPL, Dreamhack, IEM and now KesPa is involved too. The scene is bigger than it's ever been. I wouldn't call that failiure.
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On February 22 2013 05:21 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote: I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL. It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish.
I've stated my projections based upon the facts at hand.
I'm predicting fewer events and lower over all prize handouts for 2013 compared to 2012. With direct money coming from Blizzard going down substantially.
Did i ever say there would be no more SC2 tournaments ever? No, i did not.
The "roadmap" was all nice and laid out for 2012 and so far for 2013 all we know is that there is a Blizzcon in early November. The public face of the "esports division" of Blizzard is a far lower profile than throughout 2011 and 2012.
Will some cash get handed out by Blizzard this year? yes. Will it be any where near what it was in 2012? no it won't.
IPL is a black hole for money and its done like dinner. They are just trying to snake out of any contracts and agreements they've already signed on for...
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Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games.
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On February 22 2013 07:29 kollin wrote: Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games.
when did i say any of this was "good" or "bad". i'm not moralizing here.
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On February 22 2013 07:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:21 kollin wrote:On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote: I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL. It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish. I've stated my projections based upon the facts at hand. I'm predicting fewer events and lower over all prize handouts for 2013 compared to 2012. With direct money coming from Blizzard going down substantially. Did i ever say there would be no more SC2 tournaments ever? No, i did not. The "roadmap" was all nice and laid out for 2012 and so far for 2013 all we know is that there is a Blizzcon in early November. Will some cash get handed out by Blizzard this year? yes. Will it be any where near what it was in 2012? no it won't. IPL is a black hole for money and its done like dinner. Nothing you have said can be described as "projections" its just wild speculation, further I can't believe you bumped up this blog by pointing out that IPL is being sold and link that to that SC2 is dying considering that IPL consists of multiple game titles and not just SC2, and if SC2 was "dying" they simply would drop it and focus on the other games they have, like lol. Even the link between profit and IPL can be questioned since at least a part of the reason behind IPL was to market IGN's online game presence and awareness in hopes of drawing more users to their main IGN website and generate more revenue that way without necessarily making any profit from IPL directly.
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On February 22 2013 07:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 07:29 kollin wrote: Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games. when did i say any of this was "good" or "bad". i'm not moralizing here. 'The Great Blizzard Esports Experiment has Failed
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On February 22 2013 07:45 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 07:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 22 2013 07:29 kollin wrote: Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games. when did i say any of this was "good" or "bad". i'm not moralizing here. 'The Great Blizzard Esports Experiment has Failed
which is an amoral state of affairs.
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On February 22 2013 05:21 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote: I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL. It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish.
IPL looks pretty dead to me. Having no prizes and posting videos on YOutube.com is a far cry from the promised 4 giant live events in Las Vegas and 100K SC2 prize pools. it exists as an advertisement for IGN... the name is IGN Pro League. take that away from it and no live events .. and really you have nothing.
OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: this does not mean that SC2 is dying. Blizzard has made hundreds of millions of dollars making SC1 and SC2 and will continue to make money off of the STarcraft franchise for the foreseeable future. HotS pricing structures indicate Blizzard is making exactly what they were expecting to make off of WoL.
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Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D
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On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote: Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D Beat me to the punch.
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On February 11 2013 01:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:28 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. someone does not understand what a sport is. starcraft > chess > curling. and look which one is in the olympics. (smirk) Curling absolutely 100% deserves to be in the Olympics.
Not trying to argue your point, but who does determine what is deserving of being a olympic diciple? Starcraft is more demanding / straining to your body and mind. Why is it not worthy of being a olympic diciple?
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On April 03 2013 15:31 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 01:28 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote: Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. someone does not understand what a sport is. starcraft > chess > curling. and look which one is in the olympics. (smirk) Curling absolutely 100% deserves to be in the Olympics. Not trying to argue your point, but who does determine what is deserving of being a olympic diciple? Starcraft is more demanding / straining to your body and mind. Why is it not worthy of being a olympic diciple? Yeah it's an ultimately pointless conversation. The Olympic committee (or whatever decides what sports are included) is pretty independent of our opinions anyway. There are some really weird/random sports in there because there are powerful groups that are interested in them or what have you, wrestling is out, etc.
Nice bump though
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I feel extremely satisfied about this blog.
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On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote: Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D
I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million?
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On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote: Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D Was about to bump this as well and ask him how he thinks his "highly accurate" predictions are working so far .
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On April 04 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote: Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million?
No, Blizzard refuses to reveal where the money is coming from. So Blizzard did not "give up to the tune of 1.6 million".
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/04/blizzards-starcraft-2-wcs-2013-explained-by-company-ceo-mike-morhaime/
We are definitely seeing far fewer events.
GomTV customers are getting less events than they expected for the annual ticket they bought. which is unfortunate.
as far as money goes.. so far this year we are behind the 2012 prize money levels.
with Blizzard folding in the WCS with a bunch of major MLG and ESL events it'll be interesting to see if the over all prize money for 2013 is higher or lower by years end. So for 2013 ESL, MLG and WCS money is all being pooled together to make up the 1.6 million.
3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't.
so what i said still stands. less events. lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012.
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This blog is delicious now.
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On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now.
3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't.
so what i said still stands. less events. lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012.
great PR job by Blizzard though.
that "bigger than the NHL" thing in PCGamer.com is great stuff!
the NHL has a players union of over 600 members where the minimum pay is half a million a year. dozens in its memebership are on guaranteed contracts paying more than 40 million dollars. the NHL has 20 to 40 "live events" every week where 15,000+ people pay $20-$1000 to watch a 3 hour event.
it just ain't even close. but it sounds great.
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Jesus Christ you are delusional.
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On April 05 2013 10:34 kollin wrote: Jesus Christ you are delusional.
saying Starcraft is bigger than the NHL is delusional.
we are still behind 2012 in prize money. what new event is going to arrive on the horizon ? NASL IPL?
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You repeat the same points over and over, despite the fact they have no relevancy to the overall point you're trying to get across.
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On April 05 2013 10:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote: Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million? No, Blizzard refuses to reveal where the money is coming from. So Blizzard did not "give up to the tune of 1.6 million". http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/04/blizzards-starcraft-2-wcs-2013-explained-by-company-ceo-mike-morhaime/We are definitely seeing far fewer events. GomTV customers are getting less events than they expected for the annual ticket they bought. which is unfortunate. as far as money goes.. so far this year we are behind the 2012 prize money levels. with Blizzard folding in the WCS with a bunch of major MLG and ESL events it'll be interesting to see if the over all prize money for 2013 is higher or lower by years end. So for 2013 ESL, MLG and WCS money is all being pooled together to make up the 1.6 million. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. so what i said still stands. less events. lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012. This is irrelevant since it's pretty easy to see that the major events had to be postponed due to the re-organization of the sc2 tournament ecosystem and that the total prize pool that you are so obsessed with will increase this year as well. And besides that you are as wrong as you can be regarding blizzard "Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports". They have not scaled back and they are anything but quiet.
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lol so cute. Why can people not admit they were wrong but instead try to change the point they were trying to make.
You said Blizzard was pretty much throwing in the towel. Not other companies, tournament organizers ect. Blizzard. Blizzard just came out with their strongest support to date of sc2 and you fall back on numbers that are irrelevant and have nothing to do with your original point.
Your pride is ridiculous to the point of saying you were still right after all this.
"Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports."
"Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events."
I might have been mistaken but I thought you were talking about Blizzard this whole time.
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Honestly,
I rather have about 10-20 less tournaments and focus on three or four major leagues than have a shitload of events left and right but with no stability. The best way, in my opinion, to generate a stable system is by first scaling down to the point where everything has a meaning in terms of tournaments. Sure, we may see less prize money, and it will be harder to get into the top end, but please don't forget that by having a very stable core, we can lay down a framework to grow the whole scene.
Yes, the prize money will be lower perhaps. We might even see less tournaments of a major status. However, the thing is that we'll have the opportunity to create an actual structure. Call KeSPA what you like, but you can't deny that they put down a rock solid competitive system in Korea. Don't be pessimistic about each little change, just because you're not looking past the events of the next month. Your arguments are flawed and you're too afraid to admit that you might be wrong.
Discussions like this hurt the community more than any company with a respectable record and a staff like Blizzard would be able to do to their own product.
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On April 05 2013 14:13 OmniEulogy wrote: lol so cute. Why can people not admit they were wrong but instead try to change the point they were trying to make.
You said Blizzard was pretty much throwing in the towel. Not other companies, tournament organizers ect. Blizzard. Blizzard just came out with their strongest support to date of sc2 and you fall back on numbers that are irrelevant and have nothing to do with your original point.
Your pride is ridiculous to the point of saying you were still right after all this.
"Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports."
"Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events."
I might have been mistaken but I thought you were talking about Blizzard this whole time.
yes JimmyRaynor probably should not speak for awhile after getting trolled by Blizzard's announcement. And BTW Raynor 1.6 million in prizes from OSL, GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, Proleague..........should be easy enough. Reading the Blizzard announcement makes in seem as though the guaranteed money they will put up will be for the WCS finals...
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On April 05 2013 11:14 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 04 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote: Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million? No, Blizzard refuses to reveal where the money is coming from. So Blizzard did not "give up to the tune of 1.6 million". http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/04/blizzards-starcraft-2-wcs-2013-explained-by-company-ceo-mike-morhaime/We are definitely seeing far fewer events. GomTV customers are getting less events than they expected for the annual ticket they bought. which is unfortunate. as far as money goes.. so far this year we are behind the 2012 prize money levels. with Blizzard folding in the WCS with a bunch of major MLG and ESL events it'll be interesting to see if the over all prize money for 2013 is higher or lower by years end. So for 2013 ESL, MLG and WCS money is all being pooled together to make up the 1.6 million. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. so what i said still stands. less events. lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012. This is irrelevant since it's pretty easy to see that the major events had to be postponed due to the re-organization of the sc2 tournament ecosystem and that the total prize pool that you are so obsessed with will increase this year as well. And besides that you are as wrong as you can be regarding blizzard "Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports". They have not scaled back and they are anything but quiet.
Blizzard will do the best they can to spin anything negative. So its great that they are saying "Starcraft is bigger than the NHL", but it doesn't stand up when it comes to player payment.
i dont see any kind of real number from you. i predicted a lower prize pool for 2013. so what your saying is a lot of talk with nothing to back it up.
so we are going to say what ? $10 million in prizes award? $20 million?
On April 05 2013 10:41 kollin wrote: You repeat the same points over and over, despite the fact they have no relevancy to the overall point you're trying to get across.
i predicted a lower prize pool for 2013 .. this is the truest measure of BLizzard's support because Blizzard is intricately 'partnered" with all the major event holders. the biggest problem players face today is no money.
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Where did Blizzard say they are bigger than NHL? Also, read the title of this fucking blog. Now read the first line. Now please for the love of god admit you were incorrect and Blizzard did not give up in esports.
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On April 06 2013 01:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i predicted a lower prize pool for 2013 .. this is the truest measure of BLizzard's support because Blizzard is intricately 'partnered" with all the major event holders. the biggest problem players face today is no money.
I am going to ignore the rest, since 99% of your arguments are invalid or have been countered. My only response on this message I did quote is that we currently are in APRIL and already we are set for HALF the amount we spent last year. Predict all you want, but you still aren't going to be making any valuable points. The year is not over, so any argument that 'it is lower now than 2012' kind of makes no sense. Come back with a solid statement after the year is over, without incorporating two dozen of inconsistencies and claims you pulled out your butthole.
Edit:
Blizzard partnered with the organisations to help them set up a good experience and system, but by no means have spent money into the leagues in the way they do now. The mere fact that you're unable to provide evidence that supports your argument that Blizzard Entertainment is involved into funding the prize pools for multiple leagues, shows that you're just here to kick up dirt and not get any constructive point across.
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Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports. Stop fucking lying.
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I have absolutely no interest in the actual topic but can I just say how hilarious it is to watch someone be so wrong and yet argue so hard. Jimmy, Blizzard could not possibly have done more to prove your OP wrong. You said they are scaling back support instead they are putting more money into it now then ever. What else do you need Blizzard to do in order to admit you're wrong?
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On April 06 2013 04:19 FryBender wrote: I have absolutely no interest in the actual topic but can I just say how hilarious it is to watch someone be so wrong and yet argue so hard. Jimmy, Blizzard could not possibly have done more to prove your OP wrong. You said they are scaling back support instead they are putting more money into it now then ever. What else do you need Blizzard to do in order to admit you're wrong? Nobody is wrong on the internet!
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On April 06 2013 04:56 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 04:19 FryBender wrote: I have absolutely no interest in the actual topic but can I just say how hilarious it is to watch someone be so wrong and yet argue so hard. Jimmy, Blizzard could not possibly have done more to prove your OP wrong. You said they are scaling back support instead they are putting more money into it now then ever. What else do you need Blizzard to do in order to admit you're wrong? Nobody is wrong on the internet!
Good point
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On April 06 2013 02:03 kollin wrote: Where did Blizzard say they are bigger than NHL? Also, read the title of this fucking blog. Now read the first line. Now please for the love of god admit you were incorrect and Blizzard did not give up in esports. Here.
Itzik Ben-Bassat: We were just told the other day that by numbers, StarCraft is bigger than the NHL. If you look just as the last month, we had several live broadcasts, MLG Dallas with record breaking concurrent viewers. Even the Heart of the Swarm release was really successful, with high viewership numbers.
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So, using numbers, Starcraft is bigger than the NHL. Cool, it doesn't seem like Blozzard are trying to spin anything negative into their favour.
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On April 06 2013 03:52 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports. Stop fucking lying. Its not lying if you make your argument so fluid and always select the numbers that make sure your theory is always proven correct. Haven't you read Calvin and Hobbs: "Lower your expectations until they are already met".
This Blog has become amazing.
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On April 06 2013 05:57 Plansix wrote: This Blog has become amazing. I should have known when I saw this blog back at the top of the blog section that something magical was happening
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On April 06 2013 05:58 bonifaceviii wrote:I should have known when I saw this blog back at the top of the blog section that something magical was happening Only best kind of magic, where logic and math are defeated and we can be whatever we want to be.
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Just read the blog, had a good laugh considering recent announcements. A bit unfair though to laugh in hindsight, in February you could make a case to come to such conclusions.
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Guys, none of you have yet considered that in a hypothetical parallel universe, Blizzard has decided to cut all funding for SC2. In this other universe, there are green cats as well. Therefore, the OP is true in a multiversal sense and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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Is there a Hall of Fame we can archive this thread to?
Every time anyone says SC2 is dieing I'm just gonna link them this thread.
Glorious.
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You do realize that you just provided a link which contradicted your reason for why GomTV offered a refund. Do you even read and try to understand things before you comment on them?
I literally can't believe that you actually used a source claiming to support your reasoning when it in actuality confirmes that you are wrong.
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Lets rename the OP to "JimmyTryHard"
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ROFL holy cow I expected jimmy to ignore this or something but he still thinks he's right? lol holy cow.
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On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't.
Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support.
God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself.
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The sky will always be falling.
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On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself.
1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events.
2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard.
3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from"
so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that.
"PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators."
Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker.
However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516
kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through.
this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support".
and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013.
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On April 06 2013 09:55 Aelonius wrote: Lets rename the OP to "JimmyTryHard"
On April 06 2013 12:09 blade55555 wrote: ROFL holy cow I expected jimmy to ignore this or something but he still thinks he's right? lol holy cow.
On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself.
He's a known troll over at Gamereplays. Atleast I'm pretty damn sure it's the same guy.
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On April 06 2013 18:50 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:09 blade55555 wrote: ROFL holy cow I expected jimmy to ignore this or something but he still thinks he's right? lol holy cow. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. He's a known troll over at Gamereplays. Atleast I'm pretty damn sure it's the same guy.
no, you're just a sucker for Blizzard marketing. Blizzard has made many great games in the past. and employs some of the greatest minds in game design. Blizzard is not very good at overseeing competitive leagues
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On April 06 2013 18:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. 1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events. 2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard. 3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from" so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that. " PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators." Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through. this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support". and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013. You're an idiot, plain and simple. That, or a troll. You have consistently and repeatedly dodged everything anyone has said that shows the main subject of this blog, which you wrote, is wrong. Please provide proof on how you are right, or shut up.
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On April 06 2013 18:55 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 18:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. 1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events. 2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard. 3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from" so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that. " PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators." Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through. this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support". and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013. You're an idiot, plain and simple. That, or a troll. You have consistently and repeatedly dodged everything anyone has said that shows the main subject of this blog, which you wrote, is wrong. Please provide proof on how you are right, or shut up.
No, you don't read. This WCS announcement is hardly a sign of improved support. Its chaos and confusion.
Again, try reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516
if you disagree with the content of Martjin's post .. or my post .. then go for it... but this is a waste of time.
Blizzard has already botched this... and they of course have a large contingent of apologists around willing to forgive anything and everything... they've earned that because they've made such great games.
but this WCS is as has been noted by many people already a total rush job.
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On April 06 2013 18:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 18:55 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. 1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events. 2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard. 3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from" so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that. " PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators." Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through. this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support". and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013. You're an idiot, plain and simple. That, or a troll. You have consistently and repeatedly dodged everything anyone has said that shows the main subject of this blog, which you wrote, is wrong. Please provide proof on how you are right, or shut up. No, you don't read. This WCS announcement is hardly a sign of improved support. Its chaos and confusion. Again, try reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516if you disagree with the content of Martjin's post .. or my post .. then go for it... but this is a waste of time. It IS improved support. It's also the first time Blizzard are trying a large year long league, so you can't expect it to be perfect. You need to get into your skull that you are actually wrong, and that just claiming otherwise does not make it so.
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On April 06 2013 18:59 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 18:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 18:55 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. 1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events. 2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard. 3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from" so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that. " PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators." Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through. this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support". and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013. You're an idiot, plain and simple. That, or a troll. You have consistently and repeatedly dodged everything anyone has said that shows the main subject of this blog, which you wrote, is wrong. Please provide proof on how you are right, or shut up. No, you don't read. This WCS announcement is hardly a sign of improved support. Its chaos and confusion. Again, try reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516if you disagree with the content of Martjin's post .. or my post .. then go for it... but this is a waste of time. It IS improved support. It's also the first time Blizzard are trying a large year long league, so you can't expect it to be perfect. You need to get into your skull that you are actually wrong, and that just claiming otherwise does not make it so.
i'm just watching the confusion.
do you know the points system? does playing in Code "A" lock u into Korea for the year? this thing is so much better GomTV has to offer refunds LOL
a year from now Blizzard will have a totally new plan and they'll explain why this plan didnt "meet their goals". kinda like they did in their PCGamer interview about why they changed from WCS 2012 to WCS 2013.
In Blizzard own words they said they wanted to make things clearer for fans and easier to understand. well... its April 6, 2013... when will we know the points system, the Code "S" system for NA, the up and down rules for Code "A" and Code "S" in NA... when will we know that? in June for 2013?
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On April 06 2013 19:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 18:59 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 18:55 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. 1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events. 2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard. 3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from" so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that. " PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators." Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through. this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support". and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013. You're an idiot, plain and simple. That, or a troll. You have consistently and repeatedly dodged everything anyone has said that shows the main subject of this blog, which you wrote, is wrong. Please provide proof on how you are right, or shut up. No, you don't read. This WCS announcement is hardly a sign of improved support. Its chaos and confusion. Again, try reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516if you disagree with the content of Martjin's post .. or my post .. then go for it... but this is a waste of time. It IS improved support. It's also the first time Blizzard are trying a large year long league, so you can't expect it to be perfect. You need to get into your skull that you are actually wrong, and that just claiming otherwise does not make it so. i'm just watching the confusion. do you know the points system? does playing in Code "A" lock u into Korea for the year? this thing is so much better GomTV has to offer refunds LOL a year from now Blizzard will have a totally new plan and they'll explain why this plan didnt "meet their goals". kinda like they did in their PCGamer interview about why they changed from WCS 2012 to WCS 2013. What the fuck are you even talking about? Whatever, it doesn't matter I'm done here. If you're immature enough to the point where you are incapable of accepting that you are wrong then I won't even bother.
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On April 06 2013 19:05 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 19:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 18:59 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 18:55 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. 1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events. 2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard. 3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from" so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that. " PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators." Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through. this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support". and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013. You're an idiot, plain and simple. That, or a troll. You have consistently and repeatedly dodged everything anyone has said that shows the main subject of this blog, which you wrote, is wrong. Please provide proof on how you are right, or shut up. No, you don't read. This WCS announcement is hardly a sign of improved support. Its chaos and confusion. Again, try reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516if you disagree with the content of Martjin's post .. or my post .. then go for it... but this is a waste of time. It IS improved support. It's also the first time Blizzard are trying a large year long league, so you can't expect it to be perfect. You need to get into your skull that you are actually wrong, and that just claiming otherwise does not make it so. i'm just watching the confusion. do you know the points system? does playing in Code "A" lock u into Korea for the year? this thing is so much better GomTV has to offer refunds LOL a year from now Blizzard will have a totally new plan and they'll explain why this plan didnt "meet their goals". kinda like they did in their PCGamer interview about why they changed from WCS 2012 to WCS 2013. What the fuck are you even talking about? Whatever, it doesn't matter I'm done here. If you're immature enough to the point where you are incapable of accepting that you are wrong then I won't even bother.
because you do not have any answers at all.. beceause no one knows what is going on. because WCS 2013 is total anarchy. and you call this "better support"
and just so i'm not "labelled" as a complainer. Blizzard makes the best RTS games ever made. They are just not very good at over-seeing competitive leagues.
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On April 06 2013 19:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 19:05 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 19:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 18:59 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 18:55 kollin wrote:On April 06 2013 18:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. 1. in the blog i predicted LOWER TOTAL PRIZE POOL FOR 2013 and fewer events. 2. none of the "private company support" is possible without Blizzard. Every tournament requires a license from Blizzard. 3. Blizzard has already stated "we are not telling u where the money is coming from" so to claim this new announcement proves Blizzard "support" is improved... you can't say that. " PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators." Blizzard just pulled a huge fast one and many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. However, here is an excellent sober second thought on the matter.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516kudos to the poster for having the balls to put in writing what every team is going through. this is a giant mess and is hardly a sign of "improved Blizzard support". and, i'll stick with my prediction of a lower over all prize pool for 2013. You're an idiot, plain and simple. That, or a troll. You have consistently and repeatedly dodged everything anyone has said that shows the main subject of this blog, which you wrote, is wrong. Please provide proof on how you are right, or shut up. No, you don't read. This WCS announcement is hardly a sign of improved support. Its chaos and confusion. Again, try reading http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203¤tpage=26#516if you disagree with the content of Martjin's post .. or my post .. then go for it... but this is a waste of time. It IS improved support. It's also the first time Blizzard are trying a large year long league, so you can't expect it to be perfect. You need to get into your skull that you are actually wrong, and that just claiming otherwise does not make it so. i'm just watching the confusion. do you know the points system? does playing in Code "A" lock u into Korea for the year? this thing is so much better GomTV has to offer refunds LOL a year from now Blizzard will have a totally new plan and they'll explain why this plan didnt "meet their goals". kinda like they did in their PCGamer interview about why they changed from WCS 2012 to WCS 2013. What the fuck are you even talking about? Whatever, it doesn't matter I'm done here. If you're immature enough to the point where you are incapable of accepting that you are wrong then I won't even bother. because you do not have any answers at all.. beceause no one knows what is going on. because WCS 2013 is total anarchy. and you call this "better support" and just so i'm not "labelled" as a complainer. Blizzard makes the best RTS games ever made. They are just not very good at over-seeing competitive leagues.
The reason why people have labeled you as "complainer" is because you keep making up stuff, some people would even go as far as calling the very definition of the Strawman argumentation, not only do you use false analogies, like comparing SC2 with Carsports regarding sponsors and money, i mean they have so much in common, right? and of course you will make up some shit for this so it fits, in your head at least, as always.
You also keep changing the premises which you base your argument on, first it was that Blizzard is pulling back support (look at your damn blog title) Then you changed to less pricemoney, even though there is no proof of this since 2013 hasnt gone by yet and that you have not provided a single credible source as proof for this other than your own made up reason. Once this did not work you brought up the fact that GOMTV is giving refunds because of lesser events, even though the link you gave as proof clealry explains that the reason was that 720p now is free compared to before when only standard definition was availble.
Since this did not work you went back to just lesser pricepool, which again, you can't actually know since 2013 is not done yet and no clear evidence of this is present, but you make shit up so why not say it anyway, right? The only other "proof" of whatever your basis of logic is now, is that Blizzard hasn't revealed where the money has come from.
Surely this isn't enough so you use these changes that has happened as an excuse to re-define it into something bad. In fact you are so aware of this community with such a insight that you can claim that "no one knows what is going on" and that "WCS 2013 is total anarchy" Allot of people would argue that they actually know what is going on, and I hardly need to tell you that anarchy means no form of leadership or rules So i don't even understand why you even put that in there.
My only guess is that YOU think that no one knows anything and that YOU think that this community is in anarchy, and since you think that then it doesn't matter if others thinks otherwise and actually knows something about this, enough to make money, keep the entire sc2 ecosystem working, being able to own and train teams and so forth.
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Dear JimmyTryHard,
In order to give my last response (in a serious manner) on this topic, I'll try to break these points you attempt to make into constructive elements. Do note however, that I will write these from the way I have interpreted your statements, so perhaps I may summarize things slightly direct.
First off, you seem to have a general message that the following points are happening:
[*] The total prizepool for 2013 will be lower than 2012 according to your estimates. [*] The level of support that Blizzard is offering suffers, rather than improve [*] You say that Blizzard Entertainment is directly influencing the tournaments in terms of how these tournaments are run and where the money comes from. [*] The new system is not helping but pure chaos.
As you might understand, these summarized points are not something I agree with. So let me break them down towards some sensible arguments.
The total prizepool for 2013 will be lower than 2012 according to your estimates. I find this an interesting prediction, that perhaps could be right but it is not based on fact. You are counting the current prizepool from January to April, yet we have 8 more months this year to fill. In my opinion, you can not claim so loudly that the prizepool will be lower, without having any inside knowledge. Knowledge that you have yet to show within this argument, ergo not existing untill you do provide it.
The level of support that Blizzard is offering suffers, rather than improving I do not agree with this statement, due to the fact that Blizzard Entertainment has been spending a lot of effort to grow and sustain this industry by helping out initiatives with idea's, and often act as mediator between various parties. The point that people are being laid off, is not a clear indication of change in support. People may have been placed to another part of the company, which makes it seem for you and me that the support goes down, while in fact it gets better with people doing dedicated jobs to that eSports aspect.
You say that Blizzard Entertainment is directly influencing the tournaments in terms of how these tournaments are run and where the money comes from. As far as I know, Blizzard Entertainment has not directly and financially backed the tournaments across the board, with perhaps the GSL as an exception. What Blizzard does, is providing a license to a tournament host. This license permits the holder to host a tournament, in accordance to a few key rules. One of these rules I remember, is that in live tournaments the Blizzard logo should be visible at different points during the stream/cast.
I'd like to give you an example. My studies involve Information Security Management for banks, corporations and such. In these studies, we have to deal with various law aspects as these companies that we will work at, are bound to them aswell. When you open such a law, for example regarding auditing of financial systems, you will not see an exact description of the requirements of such system, or the methods. Instead, you get a list of criteria that you've got to pass before you're able to be audited properly. HOW you do that, is largely up to your organisation. Some even ignore parts of the law because the solution is more expensive than the fine they get when crossing the line.
With these licenses, Blizzard is doing the exact same as what your government (Parliament) does. It creates an outline for a law with criteria to meet, and then leaves the bodies that deal with such law, implement it themselves. They give tips if needed, but they don't do it FOR them.
But but... you didn't tell me where the money comes from! Then perhaps it is time for you to actually do some research, look up the various companies that host these events and you'll find that there's quite a few organisations investing because it is a.... behold... Marketing opportunity . An organisation is not required to tell you as a non-stakeholder* what they earn their money on, nor would you tell me where you earn how much, and how you spend it. If you like that information then go to the stock market and buy stock into the companies you'd like to have the information about.
* = Note: Stakeholder in the broad sense of the word. This includes the 'stakeholders', government and business partners of the organisation
But, now Blizzard is changing WCS and it's all chaos? It's confusing! Yes, it is chaos because it's NEW. Every new venture and major change that affects the whole scene requires time to be worked out. Some things will change, some things will not. You've quoted the MC post, which has valuable points but it also focuses on the opportunities of Koreans compared to the world. They started with three major regions and then will expand it. A little piece of advice: If you try something new, start small and make it sustainable before you expand. You can't just 'hatch first' on such a grand scale without knowing if the opponent is going to be aggressive or not, to put it into Starcraft terms. The opponent here, are customers that eventually make or break your new idea.
Well, I think you are still wrong because I am right and that's that! Honestly, I am pretty sure you've already shown the world that we shouldn't take you that serious. If you wish to be delusional, then that's your choice. I am not saying my views are amazing, but I am open for discussion and able to accept that I might be wrong. I might look at it from a different perspective, and then maybe my views change aswell. The point is that you are like an ostrich. You stick your head in the sand and mumble "lalalalala I cant hear you" whenever you're proven wrong or questioned about the validity of a statement
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I forgot to add that you're awfully impatient. They expressed the intention to change things, working on the last details and knowing Blizzard they will come out in time with all the details required.
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Why do people want SO HARD for SC2 to be dying? Why can't you just admit that...maybe things aren't actually bad rofl
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please read the DISCLAIMER. SC2 and the Starcraft franchise are doing great and Blizzard will continue to make a giant pile of money from sales of the game.
I'd like to add... I love Starcraft and I think Blizzard is the best game developer on the planet. They are lousy at over-seeing competitive leagues.
Much in the same way.. the guy who invented baseball wouldn't necessarily have the skill set required to run MLB.
more on the total anarchy that has followed Blizzard's big announcement.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406571
to quote TotalBiscuit
"This whole thing is a goddamn mess. I have contacts at Blizzard yet I'm still not 100% sure about how this thing is working. "
this has not "improved support" for the game.
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On April 07 2013 06:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:please read the DISCLAIMER. SC2 and the Starcraft franchise are doing great and Blizzard will continue to make a giant pile of money from sales of the game. I'd like to add... I love Starcraft and I think Blizzard is the best game developer on the planet. They are lousy at over-seeing competitive leagues. Much in the same way.. the guy who invented baseball wouldn't necessarily have the skill set required to run MLB. more on the total anarchy that has followed Blizzard's big announcement. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406571to quote TotalBiscuit " This whole thing is a goddamn mess. I have contacts at Blizzard yet I'm still not 100% sure about how this thing is working. " this has not "improved support" for the game. replace "total anarchy" with "temporary confusion", because that what it is. And once you done that your last sentence no longer makes sense.
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Well, they certainly haven't scaled back their support.
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On April 07 2013 06:52 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, they certainly haven't scaled back their support.
actually, according the Morhaime's own quote in PCGamer.com they no longer will reveal their level of support. so its all speculation now.
but this latest move certainly doesn't feel like "better support".
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On April 07 2013 06:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 06:52 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, they certainly haven't scaled back their support. actually, according the Morhaime's own quote in PCGamer.com they no longer will reveal their level of support. so its all speculation now. but this latest move certainly doesn't feel like "better support". Regardless of your own definition of "support" Blizzard still spent allot of money and resources on this and therefore should be viewed as such.
And please don't bring up the current confusion as a counterpoint since it only involves Korea GSL regarding an announcement of the region locking that players choosing the Korean region in Season 1 (the current season lasting until June) are allowed a one-time-only opportunity to change their region at the end of the season and that the confusion has been brought up after that certain korean teams has been told that they only have 10 days instead of the promised June deadline to make a decision and that they want clarification about this since the teams have planned their players schedule after the original announcement.
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On April 07 2013 06:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 06:52 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, they certainly haven't scaled back their support. actually, according the Morhaime's own quote in PCGamer.com they no longer will reveal their level of support. so its all speculation now. but this latest move certainly doesn't feel like "better support".
And now you come with another random comment because you don't want to admit you might possibly be wrong?
Hah.
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On April 07 2013 06:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 06:52 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, they certainly haven't scaled back their support. actually, according the Morhaime's own quote in PCGamer.com they no longer will reveal their level of support. so its all speculation now. but this latest move certainly doesn't feel like "better support". It's not necessarily scaled back support either. We're all grasping at straws here.
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thanks for proving my point. how many years was that proven hacker.. Testie (the guy from Western Ontario) invited to Blizzcon only to get ROFL-stomped.
And by their own admission Blizzard has stated it is outside their realm of expertise.
another quote on this WCS Debacle. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406571¤tpage=3#53
This is just another example of Blizzard misdirecting the oversight of competitive events unless of course you think Blizzard is doing a "great job".
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In the end it comes down to this:
You're raging and blabbering incoherently half of the time, because Blizzard wants to change something that is actually beneficial to the scene in the LONG run, but creates a little bit of confusion for one region right now, and you then try any card to discredit their desire to improve the scene further with more stability.
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On April 07 2013 09:21 Aelonius wrote: In the end it comes down to this:
You're raging and blabbering incoherently half of the time, because Blizzard wants to change something that is actually beneficial to the scene in the LONG run, but creates a little bit of confusion for one region right now, and you then try any card to discredit their desire to improve the scene further with more stability.
not raging at all. i said this would happen all along. i'm not at all surprised.
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On April 07 2013 10:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 09:21 Aelonius wrote: In the end it comes down to this:
You're raging and blabbering incoherently half of the time, because Blizzard wants to change something that is actually beneficial to the scene in the LONG run, but creates a little bit of confusion for one region right now, and you then try any card to discredit their desire to improve the scene further with more stability. not raging at all. i said this would happen all along. i'm not at all surprised. You predicted that Blizzard would more intimately involve themselves in the scene by becoming a much more active regulator of several major leagues?
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On April 07 2013 10:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 09:21 Aelonius wrote: In the end it comes down to this:
You're raging and blabbering incoherently half of the time, because Blizzard wants to change something that is actually beneficial to the scene in the LONG run, but creates a little bit of confusion for one region right now, and you then try any card to discredit their desire to improve the scene further with more stability. not raging at all. i said this would happen all along. i'm not at all surprised. You have never ever said or even hinted of that Blizzard would make an announcement April the third regarding a complete league system change and that the league system overhaul a few days later would create confusion due to that detailed information of the overhaul of system in question was yet to be given out. Or did I miss something in your previous incoherent ramblings?
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On April 07 2013 08:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:thanks for proving my point. how many years was that proven hacker.. Testie (the guy from Western Ontario) invited to Blizzcon only to get ROFL-stomped. And by their own admission Blizzard has stated it is outside their realm of expertise. another quote on this WCS Debacle. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406571¤tpage=3#53This is just another example of Blizzard misdirecting the oversight of competitive events unless of course you think Blizzard is doing a "great job".
Nah, I think Blizzard has been doing a fucking terrible job, but they've put on competitive events before where the Korean players won. I don't know why you're calling out Testie when he beat Assem at the 2005 LAN. That's stupid. My point is Blizzard has put on competitive tournaments before that have been good, and you refuse to see that because Testie was invited?
I lol at you. I lol at you personally.
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Why do I always come back to a thread and end up seeing another class comment by nina
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On April 07 2013 10:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 09:21 Aelonius wrote: In the end it comes down to this:
You're raging and blabbering incoherently half of the time, because Blizzard wants to change something that is actually beneficial to the scene in the LONG run, but creates a little bit of confusion for one region right now, and you then try any card to discredit their desire to improve the scene further with more stability. not raging at all. i said this would happen all along. i'm not at all surprised.
LOL no you haven't. You said blizzard was done with esports and wasn't going to host tournaments anymore. Oh lord man your posts are so gold due to how stubborn you are even when being proved wrong rofl.
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This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. Only a few have twisted their original argument so much just to assure they were right in their own head.
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time to bump this again i guess
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Blizzard has quietly moved on WCS ramps up, Blizzard purchases IGN
not raging at all. i said this would happen all along. i'm not at all surprised.
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On April 07 2013 10:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 09:21 Aelonius wrote: In the end it comes down to this:
You're raging and blabbering incoherently half of the time, because Blizzard wants to change something that is actually beneficial to the scene in the LONG run, but creates a little bit of confusion for one region right now, and you then try any card to discredit their desire to improve the scene further with more stability. not raging at all. i said this would happen all along. i'm not at all surprised.
checked your post history for the last 10 minutes. I couldn't find you saying this at all. Go ahead and prove me wrong.
I still disagree with your initial position. As much as you are hating on blizzard for not having their shit together and creating confusion, you are basing your premise on the lack of information at hand and fabricating scenarios that prove your point.
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On April 07 2013 08:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:thanks for proving my point. how many years was that proven hacker.. Testie (the guy from Western Ontario) invited to Blizzcon only to get ROFL-stomped. And by their own admission Blizzard has stated it is outside their realm of expertise. another quote on this WCS Debacle. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406571¤tpage=3#53This is just another example of Blizzard misdirecting the oversight of competitive events unless of course you think Blizzard is doing a "great job".
Your posts are just golden. Even in the WCS korea confusion thread, just pure gold. Plz keep going while i wait for GoT to download i need some entertainment.
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On April 09 2013 04:28 Bart Hurt wrote: time to bump this again i guess
NO JUST LET THIS THREAD DIE
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I totally imagine JimmyTryHard to work out a 'witty' yet futile comment now to refute the fact that Blizzard bought IPL :p
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It's like Blizzard has read this post, and are just doing stuff to make JimmyTryHard feel worse about himself.
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On April 09 2013 10:35 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:/endofthread
You've out-Nina'd me.
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^ thats all you can come up with?
Your entire OP is debunked and now youre just grasping for straws
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Masq, he's been doing that for the last 8 pages.
We call him 'JimmyTryHard' for a reason
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From what I`ve seen Jimmy is right. What Blizzard has created is just big mess.
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On April 11 2013 04:10 mdb wrote: From what I`ve seen Jimmy is right. What Blizzard has created is just big mess. He is right in that it's a mess right now, but he is still wrong in his original claim that Blizzard would scale back their support. They're supporting the scene more right now, just not doing a good job at it.
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Allot of the problems are one time problems since it's related to the fact that the system just has been put in into place and we will not see these problems next year.
And regarding the remaining problem of Koreans picking other regions than KR it's just a matter of adjusting the price pool after the atmount of competition in each region. KR should have a higher price pool since it is harder so that's not hard to fix either.
And again, you are not god, you don't get to dictate or re-define what something means for everyone else, we had this discussion before, just because you don't think this is Blizzard being supportive doesn't mean it isn't.
On April 11 2013 06:06 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 04:10 mdb wrote: From what I`ve seen Jimmy is right. What Blizzard has created is just big mess. He is right in that it's a mess right now, but he is still wrong in his original claim that Blizzard would scale back their support. They're supporting the scene more right now, just not doing a good job at it. No he is not right in anything. Problem is that the system just has been implemented and that there is some confusion and some people are in a tough spot due to them being stuck between the old and the new system. All these problems goes away by next year when everyone knows how it works and all the players transition from the old to the new system is completed. The second problem is the distribution of the overall price money of the regions which can be adjusted in favour of KR since it has the most competition. He hasn't pointed out any of this, he doesn't know shit and never has, period.
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On April 10 2013 05:10 ninazerg wrote:You've out-Nina'd me.
Bow to me.
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You mean confusion, anarchy implies no rules or government. At least use the proper wording when describing something.
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lol @ jimmy. Has he admitted that his original argument was incorrect? It really shouldn't be hard to admit you were wrong to an internet community, bud. Do you care so much about your internet reputation that you're going to keep trying to modify your argument without admitting you were wrong?
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On April 11 2013 13:41 Integra wrote:You mean confusion, anarchy implies no rules or government. At least use the proper wording when describing something.
Yeah, he was looking for chaos or bedlam. Just an FYI Jimmy, every bad thing that someone says about Blizzard does not count as evidence that you were correct. In fact, you were already proven wrong and even you amended prediction is not 100% correct.
Admitting you are wrong is the first step to recovery. We have 11 others, but we should start with step one.
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lower prize pool for GSL. too bad Blizzard just slammed this together with even less preparation than WCS 2012.
the players themselves realize there is less money to be won this year. " the fans " get wow-ed by big announcements and TV Studios.
Blizzard did a great job of white-washing all events together... smearing the issue ... and then leaving the real news of a lowered GSL prize pool weeks later
during the entire uproar after WCS 2013 was announced hardly any "fans" brought up the lower prize pool during the "active debate" here on TL.Net.
i must tip my hat to Blizzard for doing a great PR job.... what is it PT Barnum said... "there is a sucker born every minute".
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On April 17 2013 22:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:lower prize pool for GSL. too bad Blizzard just slammed this together with even less preparation than WCS 2012. the players themselves realize there is less money to be won this year. " the fans " get wow-ed by big announcements and TV Studios. Blizzard did a great job of white-washing all events together... smearing the issue ... and then leaving the real news of a lowered GSL prize pool weeks later during the entire uproar after WCS 2013 was announced hardly any "fans" brought up the lower prize pool during the "active debate" here on TL.Net. i must tip my hat to Blizzard for doing a great PR job.... what is it PT Barnum said... "there is a suck born every minute". Yes, GSL has a lower price pool... what exactly does this has to with your blog again?
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you want to hear that again? ok. less prize money for 2013 and fewer events in 2013. (compared to 2012) less support from Blizzard than in 2012.
GSL's #1 sponsor is Blizzard.
Why was there so much chaos after the incomplete and rushed announcement? Blizzard did not put the resources forward.
WCS 2012 looks like the superbowl compared to the WCS 2013 mess. I didn't think it would get this ugly or be this rushed though.
just silly. lowering the prize pool in the middle of the event.... sad.
Blizzard is making Ilja Rotelli look like a hero
it will take 1 full year probably.. when WCS 2014 is announced look for a complete "mea culpa" announcement from Blizzard regarding WCS 2013.
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On April 17 2013 22:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:you want to hear that again? ok. less prize money for 2013 and fewer events in 2013. (compared to 2012) less support from Blizzard than in 2012. GSL's #1 sponsor is Blizzard. Why was there so much chaos after the incomplete and rushed announcement? Blizzard did not put the resources forward. WCS 2012 looks like the superbowl compared to the WCS 2013 mess. I didn't think it would get this ugly or be this rushed though. https://twitter.com/sc2_translator/status/324427436940984320just silly. lowering the prize pool in the middle of the event.... sad. Blizzard is making Ilja Rotelli look like a hero it will take 1 full year probably.. when WCS 2014 is announced look for a complete "mea culpa" announcement from Blizzard regarding WCS 2013. And I'm asking you again, how exactly does all of this relate to your blog?
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if u can't figure that out then u r not reading the post... total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events.
good post from redditor Gatesleeper
" For prize pools in 2012, using rough numbers: WCS gave out $750k (an amalgamated sum of all WCS events) GSL gave out $775k (5 x 155) OSL gave out $100k (1 x 100) MLG gave out $400k (4 x 100, each season had a ~25k arena + a ~75k finals) IEM gave out $180k (80k finals + 4 smaller events that average ~25k each) Add that all up, we've got just about $2.2 million. For prize pools in 2013, we've got just the WCS, at $1.6 million. So, a net decrease of $600,000. We don't know what Dreamhack and NASL are doing this year, will they give out more money? less? about the same? Are MLG/IEM/GSL going to host special one off tournaments like the GSL World Championship that give out additional prize money? We don't know yet. We'll just have to wait till the end of the year and count the stacks. "
i say lower.
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On April 18 2013 00:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if u can't figure that out then u r not reading the post... total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events.
good post from redditor Gatesleeper
" For prize pools in 2012, using rough numbers: WCS gave out $750k (an amalgamated sum of all WCS events) GSL gave out $775k (5 x 155) OSL gave out $100k (1 x 100) MLG gave out $400k (4 x 100, each season had a ~25k arena + a ~75k finals) IEM gave out $180k (80k finals + 4 smaller events that average ~25k each) Add that all up, we've got just about $2.2 million. For prize pools in 2013, we've got just the WCS, at $1.6 million. So, a net decrease of $600,000. We don't know what Dreamhack and NASL are doing this year, will they give out more money? less? about the same? Are MLG/IEM/GSL going to host special one off tournaments like the GSL World Championship that give out additional prize money? We don't know yet. We'll just have to wait till the end of the year and count the stacks. "
i say lower. I can't figure it out because of your ramblings, in fact this whole sentence: total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events. It's a huge mess and makes zero sense, only reason why you typed it like that is because you don't want anyone to understand what you are trying to say.
Here I'll help you so you know what to write in response to this post:
Start your post with:
"This connects with my blog 'The Great Blizzard eSports Experiment Is Over' because.... [Insert simple to understand coherent motivational arguments here free from any jargon or other sensational wording]
and once you are done with this, please continue with:
... and as you can see this leads to... [insert the content of the two previous posts along with comments which clearly shows the link between your earlier argumentation with actual content of your previous two postings. ]
I think this will help you to better explain your point of view in a more rational understandably way.
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On April 18 2013 00:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if u can't figure that out then u r not reading the post... total disorganization and haphazard incomplete announcements causing total confusion are symptomatic of poor support from Blizzard.. the company in charge of WCS 2013 and its feeder events.
good post from redditor Gatesleeper
" For prize pools in 2012, using rough numbers: WCS gave out $750k (an amalgamated sum of all WCS events) GSL gave out $775k (5 x 155) OSL gave out $100k (1 x 100) MLG gave out $400k (4 x 100, each season had a ~25k arena + a ~75k finals) IEM gave out $180k (80k finals + 4 smaller events that average ~25k each) Add that all up, we've got just about $2.2 million. For prize pools in 2013, we've got just the WCS, at $1.6 million. So, a net decrease of $600,000. We don't know what Dreamhack and NASL are doing this year, will they give out more money? less? about the same? Are MLG/IEM/GSL going to host special one off tournaments like the GSL World Championship that give out additional prize money? We don't know yet. We'll just have to wait till the end of the year and count the stacks. "
i say lower.
Jimmy,
I got bad new for you. In your OP, where you made this grand theory, you never said that prize pools would be lower this year. I mean, if you want to make that new argument now, you can. But we are already up to 1.6 million and you didn't count the recent MLG or IEM. We have a long way to go before December, with several more MLGs, IEMs, Dreamhacks and NASL. But I am holding you to the number listed above, so don't try to change it.
Also, there was no one who expect the switch to WCS to go smoothly. Players are going to whine, along with teams and other community members. However, Riot had the same problem with LCS when they started it too. People are doing the math for GSL and the top 5 players for Korea can earn about the game amount for winning the season finals as last years GSL finals.
You can cite all the selective math you want, but Blizzard is behind Esports, even if the opening is a bit rough(which it was going to be and has been for every world wide league). You were wrong on that front and there is no denying that.
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we can't debate money any longer as an indicator of Blizzard's support because Blizzard refused to answer the money questions when the announcement was made
the only thing we can use... as an imprecise broad yardstick is examine total prize pool versus what was handed out in 2012 in all the events Blizzard rolled up into "WCS 2013".
so now we can only discuss "support level".
and WCS 2013 is just a disorganized mess that was hastily thrown together and at this point ... poorly executed.
even more chaos.... yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv....
no more... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cjg2j/nasl_not_allowed_by_blizzard_to_cover_wcs/
WCS 2013 continues to be a mess.
i thought the days of "testie" were over. with all this online qualifying its only a matter of time before another "testie" type of guy knocks out a legit player.
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On April 18 2013 03:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:we can't debate money any longer as an indicator of Blizzard's support because Blizzard refused to answer the money questions when the announcement was made so now we can only discuss "support level". and WCS 2013 is just a disorganized mess that was hastily thrown together and at this point ... poorly executed. even more chaos.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1cjg2j/nasl_not_allowed_by_blizzard_to_cover_wcs/WCS 2013 continues to be a mess. i thought the days of "testie" were over. with all this online qualifying its only a matter of time before another "testie" type of guy knocks out a legit player.
You mean that you can't debate money any more because you lost that argument. Got it. Lets move on to your next point.
You are really grasping at straws and are pretty bad at arguing. That link you just posted only proves that you don't read and aren't are just trying to find anything you think supports your point. If you go to the post in the Reddit thread, Mr. Bitter points out that Blizzard DID NOT TELL THEM TO STOP BROADCASTING WCS EU. Mr. Bitter said that NASL told them not to continue the broadcast because it was costing them to much money with no return. If you go to Mr. Bitter's twitter, he says that WCS is awesome and he is only bummed that he has to wait to cast some SC2. That post does not support your point in any way.
Once again, a world wide league was never going to work out flawlessly. It was going to be improved and refined over time. People who thought it was all going to be an instant, smooth transition with no confusion at all had very unrealistic expectations.
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overall prize money is down.. support is down.. disorganization chaos and uncertainty are all up... changing the prize pool in the middle of a GSL season... sad.
pretty sad stuff.. so disorganized.
there are hundreds if not thousands of qualifer games.. and they can't find a way to let NASL broadcast on their channels like they did yesterday...
i guess this is what Blizzard calls a "streamlined viewing experience". on the plus side of broadcasting less of these online qualifiers the amount of "stream cheating" will be lower.
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On April 18 2013 03:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:overall prize money is down.. support is down.. disorganization chaos and uncertainty are all up... changing the prize pool in the middle of a GSL season... sad. pretty sad stuff.. so disorganized. there are hundreds if not thousands of qualifer games.. and they can't find a way to let NASL broadcast on their channels like they did yesterday...
What part of NASL is a for profit business and doesn't do stuff for free. Mr. Bitter said his boss told them to stop producing the casts because they were getting no return on the broadcast, while having 8 staff members working on it. That isn't Blizzard's fault, its Mr. Bitter's fault for providing a product that they weren't getting paid for and then being told to stop broadcasting for free.
Jimmy, you clearly are just going to ignore everything everyone posts and gong to keep saying that Esports is going to die due to Blizzard. You will change your points and theories, drop them when you lose and move on to whatever new theory supports your claim. You are 100% wrong on all points. Give up, your wrong, it isn't the end of the world.
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Rob Simpson, the most public member of the "eSports Team" is now gone. Blizzard has yet to announce his replacement. If the "eSports Team" were growing Rob would have 2 replacements. Ilja Rotelli left a while ago. And they ended up purchasing IPL staff and assets.
Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events. There is no way that the Blizzcon invitationals in 2010 and 2011 can even hold a candle up to the scope of WCS 2013. A comparison with WCS 2012 is arguable, yes, but still, it is undeniable that Blizzard is taking a more hands-on approach to eSports now more than ever. Heck, if they actually "scaled back," we wouldn't even have these current WCS glitches and everything would remain at the status quo.
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On April 18 2013 03:48 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +Rob Simpson, the most public member of the "eSports Team" is now gone. Blizzard has yet to announce his replacement. If the "eSports Team" were growing Rob would have 2 replacements. Ilja Rotelli left a while ago. And they ended up purchasing IPL staff and assets. Show nested quote +Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events. There is no way that the Blizzcon invitationals in 2010 and 2011 can even hold a candle up to the scope of WCS 2013. A comparison with WCS 2012 is arguable, yes, but still, it is undeniable that Blizzard is taking a more hands-on approach to eSports now more than ever. Heck, if they actually "scaled back," we wouldn't even have these current WCS glitches and everything would remain at the status quo.
Rob Simpson also got offered a better job at another company(which fucking happens in the real world) and they did replace him with an entire production team and several Esports folks. Also they provided a contact to players to report hackers and other weird stuff on the ladder.
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On April 18 2013 03:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote: overall prize money is down.. support is down.. No.. GSL price pool is down, slightly, and it has nothing to do with the support from Blizzard, if that's even what you are referring to.
disorganization chaos and uncertainty are all up... What does this sentence even mean?
changing the prize pool in the middle of a GSL season... sad. You are correct there! Great job, they did change the money pool.
pretty sad stuff.. so disorganized. there are hundreds if not thousands of qualifer games.. and they can't find a way to let NASL broadcast on their channels like they did yesterday... I think it's more cause NASL didn't see it to be worth to cast all the games and not cause it's "disorganized"
i guess this is what Blizzard calls a "streamlined viewing experience". on the plus side of broadcasting less of these online qualifiers the amount of "stream cheating" will be lower. Blizzard is not GSL, or NASL. And the stream cheating is easily prevented by invoking delays on the streams.
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and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv and they are permitted to cast in any language other than english. lol.
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents.
did Kalaeris find a WCS logo to put on his stream yet?
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On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess.
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On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv and they are permitted to cast in any language other than english. lol.
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents.
NASL stopped the broadcast, not Blizzard. Drop it, you wrong and you didn't read the reddit thread. Khaldor is able to broadcast the code A qualifiers on his own stream because it is just him, doing it on his free time. You see, that's how it works. On your free time, you can do what you want. But in the office, during business hours, you need to do your job and not take up 8 staff members doing stuff for free. I know its weird for you, but sometimes people other than Blizzard do things and they are for totally valid reasons.
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On April 18 2013 04:06 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess.
so that is ur prediction 0 incidents lol..its a long year.
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On April 18 2013 04:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv and they are permitted to cast in any language other than english. lol.
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. NASL stopped the broadcast, not Blizzard. Drop it, you wrong and you didn't read the reddit thread. Khaldor is able to broadcast the code A qualifiers on his own stream because it is just him, doing it on his free time. You see, that's how it works. On your free time, you can do what you want. But in the office, during business hours, you need to do your job and not take up 8 staff members doing stuff for free. I know its weird for you, but sometimes people other than Blizzard do things and they are for totally valid reasons.
lol.. i'm not laying blame at all LOL 1 day NASL is on... doing great work.. next day GONE..
1 day the GSL first prize is $40,000 ... the next day... $20,000.... changing the prize pool during the middle of the event is sloppy
I don't have enough space to go into the errors made by ESL during the WCS-Europe qualifiers.
growing pains are 1 thing... this is just sloppy.
did Kalaeris find a WCS logo...
its so sloppy it is comedic. but all of it indicative of less support from Blizzard.
Blizzard needs a guy like Ilja Rotelli to run the show. he is really missed now.
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On April 18 2013 04:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:06 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess. so that is ur prediction 0 incidents lol..its a long year. For the qualifiers. And again, your above post is related to NASL and GSL, they have nothing to do with Blizzards support.
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On April 18 2013 04:17 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 18 2013 04:06 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess. so that is ur prediction 0 incidents lol..its a long year. For the qualifiers. And again, your above post is related to NASL and GSL, they have nothing to do with Blizzards support.
its Blizzard's event now. they put their name all over it... now calling it "WCS". and the GSL is now simply a part of "Korea WCS" ... please read all the crap about Artosis not calling it WCS and erroneously sticking with the name GSL
what is the first logo in the list?
its all under the Blizzard WCS umbrella now. which is why they Kaelaris needed to find a WCS logo. LOL
and right from Mr Bitter himself...
"So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?". The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no"."
where is Ilja now? .. o ya.. working for Riot.
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On April 18 2013 04:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:17 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 18 2013 04:06 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess. so that is ur prediction 0 incidents lol..its a long year. For the qualifiers. And again, your above post is related to NASL and GSL, they have nothing to do with Blizzards support. its Blizzard's event now. they put their name all over it... now calling it "WCS". and the GSL is now simply a part of "Korea WCS" ... please read all the crap about Artosis not calling it WCS and erroneously sticking with the name GSL No, WCS is a global ladder system which is being used to unify the scene and create a common rating system for all players, its not an event. All the other events, such as GSL, ESL, MLG and so forth simply uses the ladder system to know what players to pick, their events are their own and has nothing to do with Blizzard except for the main WCS event at blizzcon, which will be hosted by Blizzard. And regarding the logos that's the sponsors, and Blizzard is there because they are using their game, not because they OWN GSL or run it.
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its so disorganized Artosis doesn't even know what to call it.
"PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators. We have announced the overall prize pool for 2013 – that’ll be $1.6 million."
the Blizzard CEO... has inextricably tied his brand to all the feeder events.
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On April 18 2013 04:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:17 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 18 2013 04:06 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess. so that is ur prediction 0 incidents lol..its a long year. For the qualifiers. And again, your above post is related to NASL and GSL, they have nothing to do with Blizzards support. its Blizzard's event now. they put their name all over it... now calling it "WCS". and the GSL is now simply a part of "Korea WCS" ... please read all the crap about Artosis not calling it WCS and erroneously sticking with the name GSL its all under the Blizzard WCS umbrella now. which is why they Kaelaris needed to find a WCS logo. LOL and right from Mr Bitter himself... "So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?". The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no"." where is Ilja now? .. o ya.. working for Riot.
Jimmy, you are just wrong and bad at making arguments that make sense. Saying things over and over again doesn't make you right. Citing that people have changed jobs doesn't prove anything. You are just shouting at the rain and claiming the sky is falling. In the end, you will be wrong a year from now and still be claiming that it is all Blizzards fault.
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On April 18 2013 04:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 18 2013 04:17 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 18 2013 04:06 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess. so that is ur prediction 0 incidents lol..its a long year. For the qualifiers. And again, your above post is related to NASL and GSL, they have nothing to do with Blizzards support. its Blizzard's event now. they put their name all over it... now calling it "WCS". and the GSL is now simply a part of "Korea WCS" ... please read all the crap about Artosis not calling it WCS and erroneously sticking with the name GSL its all under the Blizzard WCS umbrella now. which is why they Kaelaris needed to find a WCS logo. LOL and right from Mr Bitter himself... "So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?". The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no"." where is Ilja now? .. o ya.. working for Riot. Jimmy, you are just wrong and bad at making arguments that make sense. Saying things over and over again doesn't make you right. Citing that people have changed jobs doesn't prove anything. You are just shouting at the rain and claiming the sky is falling. In the end, you will be wrong a year from now and still be claiming that it is all Blizzards fault.
read post above.
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who decided ESL would be the "EU WCS Partner" ? Blizzard made that decision.
WCS is owned by Blizzard.
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On April 18 2013 04:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 04:31 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2013 04:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 18 2013 04:17 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 18 2013 04:06 Integra wrote:On April 18 2013 04:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and yet Khaldor was allowed to stream Code "A" qualifiers on his own channel. and yesterday WCS qualifiers were on NASL.tv
its just a totally disorganized mess... and has been from the start.
hopefully, no legit players get burned by hacking or stream cheating.. but i'll be shocked if there are zero incidents. Prepare to be shocked then i guess. so that is ur prediction 0 incidents lol..its a long year. For the qualifiers. And again, your above post is related to NASL and GSL, they have nothing to do with Blizzards support. its Blizzard's event now. they put their name all over it... now calling it "WCS". and the GSL is now simply a part of "Korea WCS" ... please read all the crap about Artosis not calling it WCS and erroneously sticking with the name GSL its all under the Blizzard WCS umbrella now. which is why they Kaelaris needed to find a WCS logo. LOL and right from Mr Bitter himself... "So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?". The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no"." where is Ilja now? .. o ya.. working for Riot. Jimmy, you are just wrong and bad at making arguments that make sense. Saying things over and over again doesn't make you right. Citing that people have changed jobs doesn't prove anything. You are just shouting at the rain and claiming the sky is falling. In the end, you will be wrong a year from now and still be claiming that it is all Blizzards fault. read post above. The post above just makes you look like a man grasping at straws Jimmy. It doesn't make you right, it just makes you seem a like a fool who will say anything to make people believe him. The only person you are trying to convince is yourself.
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On April 18 2013 04:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: who decided ESL would be the "EU WCS Partner" ? Blizzard made that decision.
WCS is owned by Blizzard. WCS is the global ladder system and no one is forced to use it if they don't want to. Also blizzard does not own it, they own the WCS event at blizzcon but ESL is no part of that.
On April 18 2013 04:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its so disorganized Artosis doesn't even know what to call it.
"PCG: Are the prize pools for MLG, GSL, and other participating WCS leagues now provided by Blizzard?
MM: We’re not getting into details on where the money’s coming from. Blizzard is working in partnership with all of the tournament operators. We have announced the overall prize pool for 2013 – that’ll be $1.6 million."
the Blizzard CEO... has inextricably tied his brand to all the feeder events.
The post you made above simply stated that blizzard had an estimate on how much money would be distributed during 2013 in WCS, not that it came directly from Blizzard, nor does it include the other price money from events outside WCS like MLG, Dreamhack, Proleauge and so forth.
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What if...
...JimmyRaynor is right?
DUN DUN DUN
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Hey, if Jimmy only gets one prediction right he'll still be a better prophet than Nostradamus.
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For the sake of clarity:
ESL told us that they would allow us to stream to WCS_Europe2.
Problem here is that since we're not officially involved in WCS we would essentially be working for free. 2 casters, 2 production people, 8+ hours dedicated to a stream channel that isn't ours. As much as Kev and I would love to cast the games, of course our boss isn't going to allow it.
So the dispute was "Is NASL allowed to stream WCS Qualifiers to NASL channels?".
The answer to that question, at least for now, is "no". The complete quote on why NASL didnt continue to cast WCS Qualifiers.
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It's MLG who were responsible for dealing with the tournament setup which was a normal 512 invite and they were the ones who fucked it up, not Blizzard. The Europe version had no problem since it was handled by ESL, another organizer. This had nothing to do with WCS or Blizzard since MLG would had fucked it up anyway, they couldn't even update the brackets correctly which is kinda O_o.
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and Blizzard HAND PICKED MLG as their partner in the Americas. lol
PhysicsLee is gone.
lol
i just feel bad for all the other people he eliminated.
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Is this thread still going?
Is the OP even remotely relevant anymore, or is Jimmy just desperately clinging to every single controversy he can find to salvage some pride?
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On April 22 2013 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote: Is this thread still going?
Is the OP even remotely relevant anymore, or is Jimmy just desperately clinging to every single controversy he can find to salvage some pride? He has no pride left to salvage, and regarding relevance I think I've figured it out, JimmyJRaynor's logic basically goes like this:
Find something bad, any bad that happens in the community and then find a possible link to Blizzard, disregard if the link actually is credible, relevant, real or simply made up, and claim that Blizzard is the cause or own it while being as general as possible so it fits.
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Comm was also disqualified... pretty sad stuff.
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On April 22 2013 04:46 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote: Is this thread still going?
Is the OP even remotely relevant anymore, or is Jimmy just desperately clinging to every single controversy he can find to salvage some pride? He has no pride left to salvage, and regarding relevance I think I've figured it out, JimmyJRaynor's logic basically goes like this: Find something bad, any bad that happens in the community and then find a possible link to Blizzard, disregard if the link actually is credible, relevant, real or simply made up, and claim that Blizzard is the cause or own it while being as general as possible so it fits.
Comm was also disqualified... pretty sad stuff.
then there was that big lag incident. really there are too many hacking and lag incidents to track .. and i'm too lazy to list them all.
your implication that there would be ZERO hacking incidents the entire year was good for a laugh though.
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On April 22 2013 21:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:46 Integra wrote:On April 22 2013 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote: Is this thread still going?
Is the OP even remotely relevant anymore, or is Jimmy just desperately clinging to every single controversy he can find to salvage some pride? He has no pride left to salvage, and regarding relevance I think I've figured it out, JimmyJRaynor's logic basically goes like this: Find something bad, any bad that happens in the community and then find a possible link to Blizzard, disregard if the link actually is credible, relevant, real or simply made up, and claim that Blizzard is the cause or own it while being as general as possible so it fits. Comm was also disqualified... pretty sad stuff. then there was that big lag incident. really there are too many hacking and lag incidents to track .. and i'm too lazy to list them all. your implication that there would be ZERO hacking incidents the entire year was good for a laugh though. Please outline where I said no one would hack or cheat in the tournament. And to further correct you, again, I was talking about the timeframe of the qualifiers, and not for the entire year, but that doesn't matter since it's okay for you to just make up shit, right?
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this kind of event.. this giant open qualifier could easily be held in the traditional (MLG 2010,2011, 2012) MLG open bracket live event to avoid all of these issues.
however, that is expensive. and over all support for eSports has been lowered for 2013 in comparison to 2012.
So, we'll all have to tolerate the possibility of hacking, stream cheating, and lag spikes (which can be tough to quantify) during online matches (which are cheaper to host and run).
And again.. for the 5th time.
Blizzard selected MLG.
MLG isn't running this on their own... it is not some kind of independent MLG event.
Please stop pretending that Blizzard has nothing to do with the WCS. Because the WCS is 100% their property.
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On April 22 2013 22:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: this kind of event.. this giant open qualifier could easily be held in the traditional (MLG 2010,2011, 2012) MLG open bracket live event to avoid all of these issues.
No, the problems would still had persisted regardless of WCS since the problems are due to poor administration of MLG, and MLG actually had far worse problems during 2010-2011. It's not unusual for MLG to fuck up.
however, that is expensive. and over all support for eSports has been lowered for 2013 in comparison to 2012.
And you have zero evidence of this, except for the slightly lowered GSL price pool, how that now possibly even can be related to MLG.
So, we'll all have to tolerate the possibility of hacking, stream cheating, and lag spikes (which can be tough to quantify) during online matches (which are cheaper to host and run).
And exactly how was this better before WCS? The offline tournaments were just as prevalent before.
And again.. for the 5th time. Blizzard selected MLG.
Congrats! You are right!
MLG isn't running this on their own... it is not some kind of independent MLG event.
Actually it is an MLG driven event which Blizzard had no control over.
Please stop pretending that Blizzard has nothing to do with the WCS. Because the WCS is 100% their property. No one ever said that Blizzard had nothing to do with WCS, why did you even bring up this point?
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still nothing published any where about the starting times of the WCS America Online Qualifiers held by MLG.
which is allegedly going on every night this week... its now Monday 10 AM EST. pretty disorganized.
for all of Mohraime's talk about an easier viewing experience... its just not happening.
hopefully, it'll improve in the future... but at this point .. its all pretty sloppy.
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On April 22 2013 22:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: still nothing published any where about the starting times of the WCS America Online Qualifiers held by MLG.
which is allegedly going on every night this week... its now Monday 10 AM EST. pretty disorganized.
for all of Mohraime's talk about an easier viewing experience... its just not happening. Mohraime is not the owner of MLG or responsible for the organization, Sundance is, remember?
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This thread is still alive? 0_o
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On April 06 2013 18:50 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:09 blade55555 wrote: ROFL holy cow I expected jimmy to ignore this or something but he still thinks he's right? lol holy cow. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 16:13 Ianuus wrote:On April 05 2013 10:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote: This blog is delicious now. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. Except this blog isn't about private company support, it's about Blizzard's support. God I love it when people are spectacularly wrong, then still try to argue to save face. It makes me feel a lot better about myself. He's a known troll over at Gamereplays. Atleast I'm pretty damn sure it's the same guy.
I'll just echo my earlier statement for everyone's sanity.
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Yes Jimmy, we all know that the qualifiers are kind of a mess. That in absolutely no way, shape, or form proves your original point that Blizard is scaling back it's support for e-sports.
Just stop. At first it was funny. Now it's just sad.
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Morhaime is the guy making the general sweeping statements about how much better WCS 2013 will be... " We wanted to take the next step and involve the StarCraft 2 ecosystem."
this is an evolution.. LOL
the whole thing is a giant clusterfuck that was hastily thrown together...
this means "less support".
proper support means running a proper WCS akin to the level of quality of the 2012 WCS.
as stated already...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408859¤tpage=37#729
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Wow, either you're just trolling, in which case whatever, or you seriously don't understand the definition of the word support in which case you might be mildly retarded. In either of the cases talking to you is pointless so good luck with the rest of the thread.
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Both are links which just talks about the NA qualifier part (MLG) which we already discussed above, so no point going through that again.
The easier viewing experience that morhaime talked about in the article was regarding the WCS system and to unify all the leagues under a common point system to easier sort players real skill among the different offline events, nowhere did he say that ESL and MLG was a vital part of making improving the experience, but that the WCS system was that vital part. In fact nowhere in the article does it say that ESL or MLG even was selected as partners, they just drew parallels between all the major leagues, including GSL and Dreamhack, trying to demonstrate how the system simplifies player rankings among multiple major events.
You don't even read the stuff you post, do you?
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On April 23 2013 00:26 Integra wrote: You don't even read the stuff you post, do you?
this is an evolution of the ecosystem? the ecosystem must've been in horrific terrible awful shape in 2010, 2011 and 2012 if this is an evolution.
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On April 23 2013 00:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:26 Integra wrote: You don't even read the stuff you post, do you? this is an evolution of the ecosystem? the ecosystem must've been in horrific terrible awful shape in 2010, 2011 and 2012 if this is an evolution. You mean "ladder system" because that what WCS is, a global ladder meant to grade SCII players with points based on their skill. And as for your question, there was no ladder system prior to this one. And still, we are only talking about MLG here, remember?
And how exactly was your response an answer to the question you quoted me from? Could you please elaborate because I fail to see the connection.
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again back to the interview from PCGamer.com
"MM: We recognised that we’re in a unique position to make some changes to the top level of pro eSports, and to put a system in place with seven partners in the WCS."
by Morhaime's own acknowledgement.. its their system and the 7 "partners" were selected by Blizzard...
you make a great apologist for Blizzard though.
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On April 23 2013 00:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: again back to the interview from PCGamer.com
"MM: We recognised that we’re in a unique position to make some changes to the top level of pro eSports, and to put a system in place with seven partners in the WCS."
by Morhaime's own acknowledgement.. its their system and the 7 "partners" were selected by Blizzard...
you make a great apologist for Blizzard though. ya, and those partners would had been responsible for their each event, because that's what the partners are, the ones that actually owns and are responsible for each event, and even if WCS would not be in place, online and offline events still would had happened. and MLG would still have screwed up, like they did during 2010-2011, like you so kindly pointed out in your previous posts, regardless the involvement of WCS or not.
Btw, How does this relate to your blog again and why are you bringing this up?
EDIT: I'm taking it that you claim that MLG was a poor choice and maybe WCS should had picked someone else for NA premier qualifier, like Dreamhack or something, then again, it's fucking impossible to actually know the overall points you are trying to convey with your posts being cryptic as shit.
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"WCS 2012" > "WCS 2013" hands down people.
WCS didn't exist in 2012 but the main event WCS did exist, so I take it you are comparing the two WCS main events, which 2013 has yet to happen...?
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It's the main event, not the ladder system, it did not exist back in 2012. So I take it you are comparing the main events which you can't since the 2013 event not yet has been done.
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here is Blizzard's own employee discussing WCS 2012 in a "text only" super edited interview with PCGamer..
IBB: We really enjoyed WCS last year – some great stories from places like Brazil. But we also came to the conclusion that it’s not our role to create the scale of community content. We should encourage the community to create that content and tournaments. But on the top level, the high quality experience, that’s where we can bring our expertise in terms of what’s best for the IP, and create storylines for people to watch.
WCS 2012 did exist
lol
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On April 23 2013 02:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote: here is Blizzard's own employee discussing WCS 2012 in a "text only" super edited interview with PCGamer..
IBB: We really enjoyed WCS last year – some great stories from places like Brazil. But we also came to the conclusion that it’s not our role to create the scale of community content. We should encourage the community to create that content and tournaments. But on the top level, the high quality experience, that’s where we can bring our expertise in terms of what’s best for the IP, and create storylines for people to watch.
WCS 2012 did exist
lol
Ya, they talked about the WSC main event held at Blizzard HQ, which I never denied that it existed back in 2012, I see no problem here
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It's funny you link TB's video, yet you didn't understand anything he said. Selective hearing much? Quote from TB: "I was pretty damn worried about Blizzard getting involved in this. Yes I celebrated the notion of Blizzard just putting more money into it, that's good. Saying "hey we care aout e-sports". The problem is, when they do this, they bungle it..." Clearly TB thinks WCS was rushed and badly organized (I do too, and noone here is saying otherwise), but he obviously believes Blizzard is supporting the game, plus what he says goes against your whole blizzard is stepping down theory.
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and i've never said Blizzard was dropping their support for SC2 esports.
The amount of resources Blizzard dedicates to the support of SC2 esports will be lower in 2013 than 2012.
Blizzard knows this.. so they have "partnered up" with several organizations and then blurred the lines of whose fault anything is by refusing to answer who is paying the prize money. Nice smear job by Blizzard.
And we are seeing the symptoms of this right now.
Horrible WCS branded events and finger pointing in every direction.
Don't worry though... the "mea culpa" Blizzard provided in 2013 about the failures of 2012.... we'll get the same thing in 2014 about 2013.. and then everything will be wonderful because the billionaire owner will talk to a bunch of big video game magazines about how good everyone feels about 2014.
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On April 23 2013 03:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and i've never said Blizzard was dropping their support for SC2 esports.
The amount of resources Blizzard dedicates to the support of SC2 esports will be lower in 2013 than 2012.
Blizzard knows this.. so they have "partnered up" with several organizations and then blurred the lines of whose fault anything is by refusing to answer who is paying the prize money. Nice smear job by Blizzard.
And we are seeing the symptoms of this right now.
Horrible WCS branded events and finger pointing in every direction.
On February 10 2013 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports.
We are in mid February of 2013 with no clear road map for a 2013 championship other than "there will be a big SC2 competition at the next Blizzcon". Rob Simpson, the most public member of the "eSports Team" is now gone. Blizzard has yet to announce his replacement. If the "eSports Team" were growing Rob would have 2 replacements. Ilja Rotelli left a while ago. GomTV, with Blizzard as a major sponsor, is down to five seasons of 1v1 play for 2013. The makers of SC2 took a nice long run in the arena of eSports and discovered first hand its lack of profitability. And, when you are part of a company that generates almost 5 billion dollars in a quarter year profitability is a key factor in any decision. Activision-Blizzard and Blizzard proper expect mammoth revenue and profit numbers. These numbers are not forthcoming and Blizzard has quietly moved on.
Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events. I'd like to thank Blizzard for putting forth such great effort in support eSports since July 2010. I'd also like to thank them for taking a good long sustained look into eSports and not merely running 1 event and saying 'this sucks, we will never do this again'.
Competitive eSports may well become a major sport on the scale of football, baseball, or basketball, but that is a long way off. I won't even bother responding to the stuff you edited in afterwards since it's all made up bullshit anyway.
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The StarCraft II WCS will give eSports fans an exciting, globe-circling story to follow throughout the year.
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it is exciting... i have to give you that. but it really isn't even "throughout the year"... the WCS 2013 didnt start until 1/3 of the way into the year.
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You still don't understand that the main subject of this blog is wrong. No matter how you look at it, the 'Great Blizzard eSports Experiment' is by no means over, and Blizzard are pouring more money into the scene. Yes it was incompetently done and poorly managed, however you are STILL incorrect despite that,
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no.. Blizzard will not acknowledge how much money they are "pouring into the scene". that is directly from Morhaime in his PCGamer.com interview.
he has been asked elsewhere.. and also refuses to comment..
it is a white wash smear job... no one really knows between these "7 partners" who is supply what money to whom.
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But they are still putting money in. Your blog says they won't anymore. Reading comprehension is a basic skill. Use it.
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On April 23 2013 23:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no.. Blizzard will not acknowledge how much money they are "pouring into the scene". that is directly from Morhaime in his PCGamer.com interview.
he has been asked elsewhere.. and also refuses to comment..
it is a white wash smear job... no one really knows between these "7 partners" who is supply what money to whom. The question was regarding if Blizzard supplied all the money or if the other event holders still was giving away money as well as which Blizzard choose not to respond. The question was not about how much money.
EDIT:JimmyJRaynor you are losing it, half of your posts can't even be considered as relevant anymore, are you getting fed up of always being wrong?
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no, i said Blizzard will lower its support. i did not said "no one any where will ever put anything into SC2 eSports ever again".
what i did say was.. 2013 ain't gonna be as good as 2012 due to lowered support by Blizzard.
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But 2013 is better than 2012 8(
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On April 23 2013 23:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no, i said Blizzard will lower its support. i did not said "no one any where will ever put anything into SC2 eSports ever again".
what i did say was.. 2013 ain't gonna be as good as 2012 due to lowered support by Blizzard. You actually said all three statements above already in this blog and you have also denied them, what the hell man, you are really slipping!
At least come up with something original. this is getting boring now.
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no one knows... now... Morhaime won't answer the question.
so we can only speculate at this point...
but with the disaster that WCS 2013 has become... i'd say support is not as good as 2012.
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On April 23 2013 23:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no one knows... now... Morhaime won't answer the question.
so we can only speculate at this point...
but with the disaster that WCS 2013 has become... i'd say support is not as good as 2012. So you admit that everything you wrote in this blog is speculation? Thank you for saying that you were wrong!
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You're just jumping from opinion to opinion, changing what you think just to keep up the argument and make yourself not look wrong. But you are wrong, so for the love of all things holy stop trying to argue the dozens of mutually exclusive points you've presented.
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guy, can u stop PM-ing me...
i'm commenting that at this point 2013 is worse than 2012 for SC2 eSports support.
WCS 2013 is looking like an unmitigated disaster.
I hope Blizzard will fix this for 2014, but at this point all i can do is hope.
On April 23 2013 23:58 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 23:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no one knows... now... Morhaime won't answer the question.
so we can only speculate at this point...
but with the disaster that WCS 2013 has become... i'd say support is not as good as 2012. So you admit that everything you wrote in this blog is speculation? Thank you for saying that you were wrong!
the Blog was written BEFORE Morhaime refused to answer the money question. Had he answered it we'd have a definitive answer.
I can't account for his secrecy in this matter.
the others who are claiming Blizzard is increasing the prize money AFTER Morhaime's PCGamer.com interview .. they are speculating...
their comments were made AFTER Morhaime refused to answer the money question.
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I pm you once asking you to stop spewing misinformation and idiocy. It seems my pm didn't help
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On April 24 2013 00:58 kollin wrote:I pm you once asking you to stop spewing misinformation and idiocy. It seems my pm didn't help
dude i've received several PMs from you... i've asked u to stop via PM .. now i'm requesting it in public.. this is comical.
almost as comical as WCS 2013...
although WCS 2013 is turning into a tragicomedy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragicomedy
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It's sad that you've resorted to lying to try and smear me. Oh well. #lifegoeson
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On April 24 2013 00:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:guy, can u stop PM-ing me... i'm commenting that at this point 2013 is worse than 2012 for SC2 eSports support. WCS 2013 is looking like an unmitigated disaster. I hope Blizzard will fix this for 2014, but at this point all i can do is hope. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 23:58 Integra wrote:On April 23 2013 23:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no one knows... now... Morhaime won't answer the question.
so we can only speculate at this point...
but with the disaster that WCS 2013 has become... i'd say support is not as good as 2012. So you admit that everything you wrote in this blog is speculation? Thank you for saying that you were wrong! the Blog was written BEFORE Morhaime refused to answer the money question. Had he answered it we'd have a definitive answer. I can't account for his secrecy in this matter. the others who are claiming Blizzard is increasing the prize money AFTER Morhaime's PCGamer.com interview .. they are speculating... their comments were made AFTER Morhaime refused to answer the money question. Again, thank you for coming out admitting that you were wrong, very kind of you
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WCS 2013 is a an unmitigated disaster... symptomatic of the rush job Blizzard put together on this.
I guess the next big thing to predict will the "Apology Cardinality" of WCS 2013.
i say the "WCS 2013 Official Apology Total" will be greater than the "WCS 2012 Official Apology Total"
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looooool you're just ignoring the points other people present and spouting the same bullshit over and over again. A poor troll, better luck next time eh?
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On April 24 2013 01:51 kollin wrote: looooool you're just ignoring the points other people present and spouting the same bullshit over and over again. A poor troll, better luck next time eh? Kollin, whenever he repeats himself or goes off-tangent (whenever he starts making zero sense) then just ignore him. I mean there is not point discussing with him at that point.
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I try to, but the temptation to rip his argument to pieces never ends EDIT: Lest we forget this:
On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 09:41 Dundron2000 wrote:On February 24 2013 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 09:21 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 09:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: [quote]
that is great, however, hte head of the IPL said they are 5 years from profitability. Ziff Davis said "find another sugar daddy". What is that your Stone Cold Steve Austin imitation? http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jan/07/ipl-spent-over-1-million-years-event-and-lost-money-they-expect-it-make-money-its-fifth-year/and as you know Ziff-Davis is trying to sell the league. although why any one would buy it to lose money for 5 years is beyond me. IPLs previous "value proposition" was that it drew traffic to IGN.com. ZD announced their alternative method of attracting that same traffic is by simply reporting on eSPorts events rather than paying out the prize money. well you said it yourself, 5 years from profitability.. so "losing" money for 5 years isnt really true, rather it means you will make money in the future to compensate for the initial costs. so it has more to do with short versus long term investement strategies rather than "sugar daddies". ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability" any one can lose money. the tricky part is making it. if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank. It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban.
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On April 24 2013 02:05 kollin wrote:I try to, but the temptation to rip his argument to pieces never ends EDIT: Lest we forget this: Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 09:41 Dundron2000 wrote:well you said it yourself, 5 years from profitability.. so "losing" money for 5 years isnt really true, rather it means you will make money in the future to compensate for the initial costs. so it has more to do with short versus long term investement strategies rather than "sugar daddies". ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability" any one can lose money. the tricky part is making it. if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank. It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban.
The easiest thing is not to argue with him at all, just correct and clarify him since nothing he says is grounded in anything concrete anyway.
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He never said IPL would or would not be sold, he said there would no longer be any large scale events by IPL, similar to IPL 3, 4 & 5
IPL doesn't even exist at this point.
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He did say they wouldn't be sold, more than once.
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How did 2011 Prize money compare?
Because I remember late 2011-early 2012 as the best years, with this slowly catching up and I feel will surpass as players develop in HotS.
Jimmy, this is an aside, but how do you feel game quality will compare with the previous years?
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On April 24 2013 04:40 kollin wrote: He did say they wouldn't be sold, more than once. link? does not exist.
i stated there would be no more IPL 4 and 5 style events. furthermore, i stated that "buying" IPL is meaningless in terms of consumers getting to attend giant Starcraft live events. any one can just buy it and then use it to make youtube videos. the brand is gone.... there are no more IPL live events.... as i stated. you were the clown blabbing away at someone "buying it".
On April 24 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote: How did 2011 Prize money compare?
Because I remember late 2011-early 2012 as the best years, with this slowly catching up and I feel will surpass as players develop in HotS.
Jimmy, this is an aside, but how do you feel game quality will compare with the previous years?
i think HotS is more fun than WoL. Both are really fun games. In general, Blizzard is great at making games.
Gamespot article proves both Blizzard AND MLG are responsible for the WCS NA 2013 Mess. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-and-mlg-respond-to-wcs-na-qualifier-concerns-6407510
When MLG's famous "internet outage" at Dallas 2010 occurred ... and we got 8 hours of nonstop Day9 talk ... we heard nothing from Blizzard... why... because it was 100% MLGs errors.
These huge WCS errors are due to poor support from Blizzard and Blizzard-China as outlined throughout TL.Net
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On April 25 2013 11:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:40 kollin wrote: He did say they wouldn't be sold, more than once. link? does not exist. i stated there would be no more IPL 4 and 5 style events. furthermore, i stated that "buying" IPL is meaningless in terms of consumers getting to attend giant Starcraft live events. any one can just buy it and then use it to make youtube videos. the brand is gone.... there are no more IPL live events.... as i stated. you were the clown blabbing away at someone "buying it". Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote: How did 2011 Prize money compare?
Because I remember late 2011-early 2012 as the best years, with this slowly catching up and I feel will surpass as players develop in HotS.
Jimmy, this is an aside, but how do you feel game quality will compare with the previous years? i think HotS is more fun than WoL. Both are really fun games. In general, Blizzard is great at making games. Gamespot article proves both Blizzard AND MLG are responsible for the WCS NA 2013 Mess. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-and-mlg-respond-to-wcs-na-qualifier-concerns-6407510When MLG's famous "internet outage" at Dallas 2010 occurred ... and we got 8 hours of nonstop Day9 talk ... we heard nothing from Blizzard... why... because it was 100% MLGs errors. These huge WCS errors are due to poor support from Blizzard and Blizzard-China as outlined throughout TL.Net The article didn't prove anything, MLG apologized for the mess and Blizzard just gave more details about the WCS structure in general. And it's still only related to WCS NA which is run by MLG since ESL and WCS EU is going fine without much problems, thus it's MLG who screwed up this since they are both using the same system, namely WCS.
Won't bother respond to all the other stuff you wrote since it's bullshit anyway.
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This is the song that never ends. It just goes on and on my friends. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was, And they'll continue singing it forever just because . . .
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On April 25 2013 11:40 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 04:40 kollin wrote: He did say they wouldn't be sold, more than once. link? does not exist. i stated there would be no more IPL 4 and 5 style events. furthermore, i stated that "buying" IPL is meaningless in terms of consumers getting to attend giant Starcraft live events. any one can just buy it and then use it to make youtube videos. the brand is gone.... there are no more IPL live events.... as i stated. you were the clown blabbing away at someone "buying it". On April 24 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote: How did 2011 Prize money compare?
Because I remember late 2011-early 2012 as the best years, with this slowly catching up and I feel will surpass as players develop in HotS.
Jimmy, this is an aside, but how do you feel game quality will compare with the previous years? i think HotS is more fun than WoL. Both are really fun games. In general, Blizzard is great at making games. Gamespot article proves both Blizzard AND MLG are responsible for the WCS NA 2013 Mess. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-and-mlg-respond-to-wcs-na-qualifier-concerns-6407510When MLG's famous "internet outage" at Dallas 2010 occurred ... and we got 8 hours of nonstop Day9 talk ... we heard nothing from Blizzard... why... because it was 100% MLGs errors. These huge WCS errors are due to poor support from Blizzard and Blizzard-China as outlined throughout TL.Net The article didn't prove anything, MLG apologized for the mess and Blizzard just gave more details about the WCS structure in general. And it's still only related to WCS NA which is run by MLG since ESL and WCS EU is going fine without much problems, thus it's MLG who screwed up this since they are both using the same system, namely WCS. Won't bother respond to all the stuff you wrote since it's bullshit anyway.
All 3 WCS locations have been a complete disaster due to Blizzard's really short time line. MLG stated this in their apology... Blizzard knows they fucked up... which is why they are even bothering to respond to Breslau's comments at all. you can keep on apologizing for Blizzard though, but it won't make the reality of Blizzard's inadequate support and its WCS ... better than LCS.. you can dream on though.
Blizzard doesn't even have a web site for the WCS...its just a sad joke... the community says it better than i can... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409515¤tpage=3#48
nice work by Breslau... as usual.
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On April 25 2013 11:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:40 Integra wrote:On April 25 2013 11:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 24 2013 04:40 kollin wrote: He did say they wouldn't be sold, more than once. link? does not exist. i stated there would be no more IPL 4 and 5 style events. furthermore, i stated that "buying" IPL is meaningless in terms of consumers getting to attend giant Starcraft live events. any one can just buy it and then use it to make youtube videos. the brand is gone.... there are no more IPL live events.... as i stated. you were the clown blabbing away at someone "buying it". On April 24 2013 05:11 Pandain wrote: How did 2011 Prize money compare?
Because I remember late 2011-early 2012 as the best years, with this slowly catching up and I feel will surpass as players develop in HotS.
Jimmy, this is an aside, but how do you feel game quality will compare with the previous years? i think HotS is more fun than WoL. Both are really fun games. In general, Blizzard is great at making games. Gamespot article proves both Blizzard AND MLG are responsible for the WCS NA 2013 Mess. http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-and-mlg-respond-to-wcs-na-qualifier-concerns-6407510When MLG's famous "internet outage" at Dallas 2010 occurred ... and we got 8 hours of nonstop Day9 talk ... we heard nothing from Blizzard... why... because it was 100% MLGs errors. These huge WCS errors are due to poor support from Blizzard and Blizzard-China as outlined throughout TL.Net The article didn't prove anything, MLG apologized for the mess and Blizzard just gave more details about the WCS structure in general. And it's still only related to WCS NA which is run by MLG since ESL and WCS EU is going fine without much problems, thus it's MLG who screwed up this since they are both using the same system, namely WCS. Won't bother respond to all the stuff you wrote since it's bullshit anyway. All 3 WCS locations have been a complete disaster due to Blizzard's really short time line. MLG stated this in their apology... Blizzard knows they fucked up... which is why they are even bothering to respond to Breslau's comments at all. you can keep on apologizing for Blizzard though, but it won't make the reality of Blizzard's inadequate support and its WCS ... better than LCS.. you can dream on though. nice work by Breslau... as usual. Everything you just wrote is made up by you and just bullshit, I won't even take the time to point out where in the article, if that's even what you are basing this off. But go ahead and make shit up, you are really good at it, too bad you lost all credibility at this point and no one even bothers replying to you anymore.
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WCS NA has the credibility problem. Its Blizzard and MLG running around making apologies and responding to "concerns".
i have credibility with SEHC, MDM and HMS Direct. that is all i require.
my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility"... its a hobby... i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave.
and of course Blizzard-China did an inadequate job supporting the Chinese teams.. helping make WCS NA Season 1 a debacle.
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On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave.
I suppose every raving lunatic is due his own street corner.
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On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave. We've noticed that at this point...
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On April 25 2013 11:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave. I suppose every raving lunatic is due his own street corner.
the people who think this WCS NA is was "properly supported" are the raving lunatics. i'm just here sayin ... "i told you guys support would be scaled back". and some guys can't handle watching the results of poor support. some guys don't like hearing "i told you so"...
just like i told you so about Ovechkin's play this year... Blue Jays winning 69 games in 2012... the Leafs being a well coached team in 2013...
etc etc.. so on and so forth...
On April 25 2013 11:56 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave. We've noticed that at this point...
and you should've also noticed.... that WCS NA has the real credibility problem. not my blog
Ovechkin, 2012 BLue Jays, Bret Lawrie, Alex Anthopoulos trading away all that pitching...Claude Lemieux... hmmm i think you'll get pretty credible info from my posts..
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On April 25 2013 12:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave. I suppose every raving lunatic is due his own street corner. the people who think this WCS NA is was "properly supported" are the raving lunatics. i'm just here sayin ... "i told you guys support would be scaled back". and some guys can't handle watching the results of poor support. some guys don't like hearing "i told you so"... just like i told you so about Ovechkin's play this year... Blue Jays winning 69 games in 2012... the Leafs being a well coached team in 2013... etc etc.. so on and so forth...
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On April 25 2013 12:06 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 12:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 25 2013 11:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave. I suppose every raving lunatic is due his own street corner. the people who think this WCS NA is was "properly supported" are the raving lunatics. i'm just here sayin ... "i told you guys support would be scaled back". and some guys can't handle watching the results of poor support. some guys don't like hearing "i told you so"... just like i told you so about Ovechkin's play this year... Blue Jays winning 69 games in 2012... the Leafs being a well coached team in 2013... etc etc.. so on and so forth...
wanna pick a fight with me about Claude Lemieux..c'mon man.... please that was so much fun last year.
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I admire you trolling ability, Jimmy. To all the people heatedly responding to him, you need a better trolldar. I'm not even calling him a troll to insult the stupidity of his comments, I'm saying he's literally a troll. You are being trolled. Stop fucking responding to him lol.
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On April 25 2013 12:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:53 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave. I suppose every raving lunatic is due his own street corner. the people who think this WCS NA is was "properly supported" are the raving lunatics. i'm just here sayin ... "i told you guys support would be scaled back". and some guys can't handle watching the results of poor support. some guys don't like hearing "i told you so"... just like i told you so about Ovechkin's play this year... Blue Jays winning 69 games in 2012... the Leafs being a well coached team in 2013... etc etc.. so on and so forth... Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:56 Integra wrote:On April 25 2013 11:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote: my blog isn't on TL.Net for the purposes of "credibility". i'm happy with it. if you do not like it .. you are welcome to leave. We've noticed that at this point... and you should've also noticed.... that WCS NA has the real credibility problem. not my blog Ovechkin, 2012 BLue Jays, Bret Lawrie, Alex Anthopoulos trading away all that pitching...Claude Lemieux... hmmm i think you'll get pretty credible info from my posts..
All hail the mighty prophet, foreseer of all things foreseen.
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On April 25 2013 12:10 Doodsmack wrote: I admire you trolling ability, Jimmy. To all the people heatedly responding to him, you need a better trolldar. I'm not even calling him a troll to insult the stupidity of his comments, I'm saying he's literally a troll. You are being trolled. Stop fucking responding to him lol.
Yeah it's why I stopped responding and just bumped this thread. It's hilarious how he trolls and rolls like it is painfully obvious ^^.
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On April 25 2013 13:10 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 12:10 Doodsmack wrote: I admire you trolling ability, Jimmy. To all the people heatedly responding to him, you need a better trolldar. I'm not even calling him a troll to insult the stupidity of his comments, I'm saying he's literally a troll. You are being trolled. Stop fucking responding to him lol. Yeah it's why I stopped responding and just bumped this thread. It's hilarious how he trolls and rolls like it is painfully obvious ^^.
i see Ovechkin will win the Maurice Richard award this year. dead bang on ... again.
back on topic...
support provided for WCS 2013 is so poor that the integrity of the WCS is under question
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You know what they say about broken clocks. Considering you spat out a few dozen predictions in this thread alone, it'd be shocking if you didn't have a few right guesses to your name.
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This thread won't die. It must have horcruxes about.
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On April 25 2013 11:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote: we got 8 hours of nonstop Day9 talk
If only we could get this lucky, and it would be like eating 800 bowls of ice cream.
@ everyone else -
Talking about JimmyRaynor like he's not here while going "OH YEAH, WE GOT THIS TROLL. WE FIGURED THIS OUT. HE'S A TROLL." just seems like a really ineffective strategy, kind of like going pure firebats against dragoons or something similar, which is definitely not like eating 800 bowls of ice cream, it's more like eating 800 bowls of shit-flavored instant ramen noodles.
I think we can just agree that the great Blizzard E-Sporting Adventure is over and we might as well all go home, sit down on our couches, watch a little bit of Breaking Bad while thinking about our life and eating peaches directly out of can with our bare hands. I mean, there's only so far the average reader will take in before he or she says "If I read any more of this, I'm going put my hand into a blender to prevent myself from clicking on the next page button" and I think many a-reader has reached that breaking point, and frankly, I'm a little bit concerned about the possibility of some hand-blender incidents in the near future due to the excessive nature of this thread. The reason I'm even mentioning this is because I imagine the internet is like a giant UFC cage made of text and you have to fight in front of the masses to show that you are the heir to Pride Rock. However, if the masses have left their seat and your only audience is like, some janitor who is a secret genius mopping the floor, you can stop fighting, because there's no one left to win over. I'm pretty gosh-diggity-darn sure that people won't come across this thread at this point, and go "Welp, I guess E-Sports is dead, time to switch to auto-sports.", YA DIG?
Go through this check list to see if you should continue to argue on this thread:
- Can you predict the future? - Are you going to convince JimmyRaynor of the error of his ways and cause him to issue a formal apology? - Will you gain +1500 XP and level up irl if you win this argument? - At this point, since it seems like everyone is against him, is there any reason to fight to turn any potential audience against JimmyRaynor's viewpoints?
If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, then you're dumb you can probably let it die now.
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I`m not against him. I think he is absolutely right.
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Imagine a scale from 1 to 10.
1 being "SC2 will die before LOTV is released" and 10 being "SC2 is doing great and its growth as an esport cant be better"
do you see how being on either end of this scale might be a bit ridiculous? though of course if you are on either end, there's probably nothing one could say to you in order to convince you otherwise.
you are close to 1, not on 1, but maybe 3 or 2.5.
edit: oh im being trolled, *facepalm*
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On April 25 2013 16:28 mdb wrote: I`m not against him. I think he is absolutely right.
No problem. The point is, the people who think he's wrong have given him way more exposure than I think they intended. Now they've formed some weird "JimmyRaynor Is Stupid Club" that meets regularly in this thread.
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I got bored of my other circlejerk thread so I cam here
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nice to see Blizzard admitting they thoroughly fucked up on "State of the Game" today. nice MEA CULPA from Blizzard.
they are claiming they are putting more into eSports than they ever have... of course until 1/3 of the way through the year they had contributed very little... and they are saying the whole thing is run by just 4 people. ROFLMAO.
it'll be interesting to see.. if we actually see anything tangible during 2013 to reflect this "greater commitment". i don't think we will.
Cloaken is taking a beating from DJWheat and TotalBiscuit.
but i love those moronic apologists who claim its all the fault of ESL, MLG and Gretech/GomTV.
On April 25 2013 17:25 MasterCynical wrote: Imagine a scale from 1 to 10.
1 being "SC2 will die before LOTV is released" and 10 being "SC2 is doing great and its growth as an esport cant be better"
do you see how being on either end of this scale might be a bit ridiculous? though of course if you are on either end, there's probably nothing one could say to you in order to convince you otherwise.
you are close to 1, not on 1, but maybe 3 or 2.5.
edit: oh im being trolled, *facepalm*
i think SC2 will roll along just fine for the next several years.
Will SC2 eSports be an amazing profitable venture in the foreseeable future? No.
I love playing Starcraft.. its a great game... and the Starcraft arcade is great fun.
Blizzard is one of the best video game designers in the 30+ year history of the industry. Blizzard is not very good at running a highly competitive gaming league.
Are James Naismith and his athletic staff at Mcgill (the guys who invented basketball) are they the guys who would be best at running the NBA? of course not... same applies to Starcraft and its best and most competitive organized league.
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I understand it's fun to troll but damn you put a lot of effort into it bro lol.
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On April 25 2013 16:28 mdb wrote: I`m not against him. I think he is absolutely right. No you don't
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the special "Blizzard Damage Control" episode of SotG was pretty good. TotalBiscuit, basically said the stuff i've been saying for at least a week.
4 people.. then the back tracking was great stuff.
On April 26 2013 06:59 Doodsmack wrote: I understand it's fun to troll but damn you put a lot of effort into it bro lol. if you think posting on this forum is "a lot of effort" i have to wonder if you've ever had a real job.
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And there we go, he admitted it.
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On April 26 2013 11:52 Doodsmack wrote: And there we go, he admitted it.
Did we read the same post?
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On April 26 2013 16:37 ninazerg wrote:Did we read the same post? Yeah, apparently this is Jimmy's real job.
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The New "Blizzard Apology" Drinking Game
drink 1 beer every time a Blizzard employee says "ecosystem"
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On April 26 2013 16:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The New "Blizzard Apology" Drinking Game
drink 1 beer every time a Blizzard employee says "ecosystem"
Does this overlap with the JimmyJRaynor Drinking Game? Because my alcohol saturation is reaching dangerous levels as is.
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On April 26 2013 16:37 ninazerg wrote:Did we read the same post?
Admitted by trolling that is (by implication).
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well, now it appears NASL will no longer support SC2.... as i predicted o so long ago.
and Blizzard's convoluted "no broadcast crossovers permitted" rule set sure helped it along where are all those guys that said NASL was "waiting for HotS to come out"
NASL gone, IPL gone. WCS is doing a great job of killing the independent scene.
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On May 10 2013 13:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:well, now it appears NASL will no longer support SC2.... as i predicted o so long ago. and Blizzard's convoluted "no broadcast crossovers permitted" rule set sure helped it along where are all those guys that said NASL was "waiting for HotS to come out" NASL gone, IPL gone. WCS is doing a great job of killing the independent scene.
You're a joke, go back under your bridge.
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On May 10 2013 15:52 Gofarman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 13:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:well, now it appears NASL will no longer support SC2.... as i predicted o so long ago. and Blizzard's convoluted "no broadcast crossovers permitted" rule set sure helped it along where are all those guys that said NASL was "waiting for HotS to come out" NASL gone, IPL gone. WCS is doing a great job of killing the independent scene. You're a joke, go back under your bridge.
the joke is claiming Starcraft is bigger than the NHL.
i predicted the end of the NASL's support of SC2 six months ago. where are all the guys saying NASL is waiting for "HotS" ?
look for more layoffs at Blizzard, WoW is down and according to Kotick, it won't get up.
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On April 26 2013 00:21 kollin wrote:I got bored of my other circlejerk thread so I cam here whats goin on in here
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what is going on?
as predicted.. the NASL is no longer holding SC2 events.
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On May 10 2013 22:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: what is going on?
as predicted.. the NASL is no longer holding SC2 events. Don't really care about the discussion itself since you are making zero sense, however I would like you to give the source as to NASL no longer hosting SC2 events since that itself is pretty big news and has yet to reach any major news page as far as I've seen.
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On May 10 2013 23:10 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 22:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: what is going on?
as predicted.. the NASL is no longer holding SC2 events. Don't really care about the discussion itself since you are making zero sense, however I would like you to give the source as to NASL no longer hosting SC2 events since that itself is pretty big news and has yet to reach any major news page as far as I've seen.
i made the prediction re NASL.... several people disputed it.. we now know the result.
look for prize money to fall this year... as i predicted.
how much prize money has NASL given out so far this year ? $0 for all intents and purposes NASL does not exist.
i made my predictions about Alex Anthopoulos... it led to a huge outcry.... we now know the result.
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On May 11 2013 00:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 23:10 Integra wrote:On May 10 2013 22:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: what is going on?
as predicted.. the NASL is no longer holding SC2 events. Don't really care about the discussion itself since you are making zero sense, however I would like you to give the source as to NASL no longer hosting SC2 events since that itself is pretty big news and has yet to reach any major news page as far as I've seen. i made the prediction re NASL.... several people disputed it.. we now know the result. look for prize money to fall this year... as i predicted. how much prize money has NASL given out so far this year ? $0 for all intents and purposes NASL does not exist. i made my predictions about Alex Anthopoulos... it led to a huge outcry.... we now know the result. So your source is yourself, that's great...
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So, what's new? Is the great Blizzard eSports experiment still over?
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On May 11 2013 04:08 ninazerg wrote: So, what's new? Is the great Blizzard eSports experiment still over? Well you can't say that it's over, but you CAN say that it's not going as planned, to put it mildly.
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On May 11 2013 05:35 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 04:08 ninazerg wrote: So, what's new? Is the great Blizzard eSports experiment still over? Well you can't say that it's over, but you CAN say that it's not going as planned, to put it mildly. Mostly just MLG and NA fucking up things. EU and Korea has gone pretty smooth.
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When 1 person leads an argument, and doesn't give any points to any valid claims by the other side I just ignore them, and suggest everyone else does the same.
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I love how the message has gone from "Blizzard is done with ESports" to "Fuck you Blizzard, stay out of ESports".
I wonder if Jimmy predicted that.
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On May 12 2013 10:54 9-BiT wrote: When 1 person leads an argument, and doesn't give any points to any valid claims by the other side I just ignore them, and suggest everyone else does the same.
Do you have any valid claims to support your suggestion that everyone should do the same?
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On May 12 2013 12:47 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 10:54 9-BiT wrote: When 1 person leads an argument, and doesn't give any points to any valid claims by the other side I just ignore them, and suggest everyone else does the same. Do you have any valid claims to support your suggestion that everyone should do the same? Do you have any evidence to support your claims that validity can be suggested?
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