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Top30 Foreigners (October 2012)

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 19:07:12
September 27 2012 15:08 GMT
#1

*** Vote at the bottom of this post ***




Introduction or: Where is Sen?
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Hi guys!

To my and hopefully your excitement, i created a list of the best 30 foreign players. As you may know, those lists are rly subjective. I try to look at achievements and latest results, but its unavoidable to get personal opinions into this.
There is no such thing as the perfect „ranking“, but i enjoy doing those, most ppl enjoy reading them, but not many ppl put rankings out there.
My ranking is purely about foreign players and i exclude asian, non korean players as well – that means you wont find chinese or taiwanese players in my ranking. The simple reason being: i dont have much information about these scenes. I obviously know that Sen, Xigua and others are great players, but its impossible to compare them to the players in EU and NA. So you could consider it a „Western Foreigner Top 30“.

I put quite some work into it and i hope i get at least some reads, since i think a ranking made by a random person should be posted as a blog and not as a thread in the general section, even though it might end up with no responses at all.

So here is the list for this month!





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------ 1. (Wiki)Stephano ------ 2.(Wiki)Nerchio ------ 3.(Wiki)NaNiWa ------
------ 4. (Wiki)MaNa ------ 5.(Wiki)SaSe ------ 6.(Wiki)Vortix ------
------ 7. (Wiki)Lucifron ------ 8.(Wiki)ThorZaiN ------ 9.(Wiki)Kas ------
------ 10. (Wiki)Grubby ------ 11.(Wiki)Ret ------ 12.(Wiki)sLivko ------
------ 13. (Wiki)TitaN ------ 14.(Wiki)Dimaga ------ 15.(Wiki)SortOf ------
------ 16. (Wiki)Happy ------ 17.(Wiki)Scarlett ------ 18.(Wiki)HasuObs ------
------ 19. (Wiki)Sheth ------ 20.(Wiki)Socke ------ 21.(Wiki)IdrA ------
------ 22. (Wiki)DeMusliM ------ 23.(Wiki)HuK ------ 24.(Wiki)BabyKnight ------
------- 25. (Wiki)TargA ------ 26.(Wiki)NightEnD ------ 27.(Wiki)Bly ------
------ 28. (Wiki)Snute ------ 29.(Wiki)JonnyRecco ------ 30.(Wiki)LoWeLy ------





The following 20:
Note: I cut it down to 20 players this month, so these players form rank 30 to 50.

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LiveZerg
KiLLeR
DarKFoRcE
ViBe
Suppy
TLO
mOOnGlaDe




MajOr
BratOK
SeleCt
ClouD
BeastyQt
Strelok
Illusion




Feast
Frear
elfi
ToD
White-Ra
BlinG







VOTE - Your opinion on the individual ranks:


Poll: 1: Stephano

about right. (43)
 
93%

too high! (3)
 
7%

46 total votes

Your vote: 1: Stephano

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.



Poll: 2: Nerchio

about right. (27)
 
82%

too high! (6)
 
18%

too low... (0)
 
0%

33 total votes

Your vote: 2: Nerchio

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 3: NaNiWa

too high! (39)
 
85%

about right. (5)
 
11%

too low... (2)
 
4%

46 total votes

Your vote: 3: NaNiWa

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 4: MaNa

too high! (20)
 
51%

about right. (19)
 
49%

too low... (0)
 
0%

39 total votes

Your vote: 4: MaNa

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 5: SaSe

too high! (30)
 
75%

about right. (10)
 
25%

too low... (0)
 
0%

40 total votes

Your vote: 5: SaSe

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 6: Vortix

about right. (23)
 
62%

too low... (11)
 
30%

too high! (3)
 
8%

37 total votes

Your vote: 6: Vortix

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 7: Lucifron

too low... (18)
 
49%

about right. (17)
 
46%

too high! (2)
 
5%

37 total votes

Your vote: 7: Lucifron

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 8: ThorZaiN

too high! (16)
 
47%

about right. (14)
 
41%

too low... (4)
 
12%

34 total votes

Your vote: 8: ThorZaiN

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 9: Kas

about right. (14)
 
47%

too high! (10)
 
33%

too low... (6)
 
20%

30 total votes

Your vote: 9: Kas

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 10: Grubby

about right. (18)
 
56%

too high! (8)
 
25%

too low... (6)
 
19%

32 total votes

Your vote: 10: Grubby

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 11: Ret

too high! (15)
 
50%

about right. (13)
 
43%

too low... (2)
 
7%

30 total votes

Your vote: 11: Ret

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 12: sLivko

about right. (15)
 
71%

too high! (4)
 
19%

too low... (2)
 
10%

21 total votes

Your vote: 12: sLivko

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 13: TiTaN

about right. (11)
 
48%

too high! (6)
 
26%

too low... (6)
 
26%

23 total votes

Your vote: 13: TiTaN

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 14: Dimaga

too high! (23)
 
79%

about right. (6)
 
21%

too low... (0)
 
0%

29 total votes

Your vote: 14: Dimaga

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 15: SortOf

about right. (12)
 
48%

too high! (9)
 
36%

too low... (4)
 
16%

25 total votes

Your vote: 15: SortOf

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 16: Happy

too low... (14)
 
54%

about right. (10)
 
38%

too high! (2)
 
8%

26 total votes

Your vote: 16: Happy

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 17: Scarlett

too low... (32)
 
65%

about right. (11)
 
22%

too high! (6)
 
12%

49 total votes

Your vote: 17: Scarlett

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 18: HasuObs

about right. (15)
 
65%

too high! (6)
 
26%

too low... (2)
 
9%

23 total votes

Your vote: 18: HasuObs

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 19: Sheth

about right. (14)
 
56%

too high! (7)
 
28%

too low... (4)
 
16%

25 total votes

Your vote: 19: Sheth

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 20: Socke

about right. (17)
 
65%

too high! (6)
 
23%

too low... (3)
 
12%

26 total votes

Your vote: 20: Socke

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 21: IdrA

too high! (33)
 
72%

too low... (8)
 
17%

about right. (5)
 
11%

46 total votes

Your vote: 21: IdrA

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 22: DeMusliM

too high! (18)
 
67%

about right. (5)
 
19%

too low... (4)
 
15%

27 total votes

Your vote: 22: DeMusliM

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 23: HuK

too high! (18)
 
53%

about right. (10)
 
29%

too low... (6)
 
18%

34 total votes

Your vote: 23: HuK

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 24: BabyKnight

too low... (22)
 
69%

too high! (6)
 
19%

about right. (4)
 
13%

32 total votes

Your vote: 24: BabyKnight

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 25: TargA

too low... (15)
 
48%

too high! (10)
 
32%

about right. (6)
 
19%

31 total votes

Your vote: 25: TargA

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 26: NightEnD

too low... (24)
 
80%

about right. (5)
 
17%

too high! (1)
 
3%

30 total votes

Your vote: 26: NightEnD

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 27: Bly

too low... (13)
 
68%

about right. (4)
 
21%

too high! (2)
 
11%

19 total votes

Your vote: 27: Bly

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 28: Snute

too low... (19)
 
68%

too high! (5)
 
18%

about right. (4)
 
14%

28 total votes

Your vote: 28: Snute

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 29: JonnyRecco

about right. (12)
 
50%

too high! (7)
 
29%

too low... (5)
 
21%

24 total votes

Your vote: 29: JonnyRecco

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...



Poll: 30: LoWeLy

too low... (15)
 
63%

about right. (6)
 
25%

too high! (3)
 
13%

24 total votes

Your vote: 30: LoWeLy

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): too low...




----------------------

Poll: Who belongs to the Top 30 - Zerg:

ViBe (10)
 
32%

TLO (6)
 
19%

Suppy (6)
 
19%

KiLLeR (5)
 
16%

LiveZerg (2)
 
6%

DarKFoRcE (2)
 
6%

mOOnGlaDe (0)
 
0%

Someone else (comments) (0)
 
0%

31 total votes

Your vote: Who belongs to the Top 30 - Zerg:

(Vote): LiveZerg
(Vote): DarKFoRcE
(Vote): ViBe
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): Suppy
(Vote): KiLLeR
(Vote): Someone else (comments)



Poll: Who belongs to the Top 30 - Terran:

MajoR (18)
 
60%

BeastyQt (5)
 
17%

BratOK (3)
 
10%

Strelok (2)
 
7%

SeleCt (1)
 
3%

Illusion (1)
 
3%

ClouD (0)
 
0%

Someone else (comments) (0)
 
0%

30 total votes

Your vote: Who belongs to the Top 30 - Terran:

(Vote): MajoR
(Vote): BratOK
(Vote): ClouD
(Vote): BeastyQt
(Vote): SeleCt
(Vote): Illusion
(Vote): Strelok
(Vote): Someone else (comments)



Poll: Who belongs to the Top 30 - Protoss:

Fraer (14)
 
39%

Feast (12)
 
33%

elfi (5)
 
14%

BlinG (3)
 
8%

White-Ra (1)
 
3%

ToD (1)
 
3%

Someone else (comments) (0)
 
0%

36 total votes

Your vote: Who belongs to the Top 30 - Protoss:

(Vote): Feast
(Vote): Fraer
(Vote): elfi
(Vote): White-Ra
(Vote): BlinG
(Vote): ToD
(Vote): Someone else (comments)












Please VOTE on who is overrated / underrated by me: Thanks!


And if you cant get enough of rankings:
On October 07 2012 18:50 00Visor wrote:You may want to check my korean ranking :
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=372185





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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44811 Posts
September 27 2012 15:28 GMT
#2
lol I can't believe you put that many polls in the OP.

Anyway, there's a lot of movement this month. Vortix and Lucifron made the most impressive jumps in my opinion, and deserved to be moved up close to the top (as you indicated). Stephano definitely still on top, and most other people gradually moving up or down makes sense to me. Good stuff overall
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ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
September 27 2012 15:38 GMT
#3
Great post This is cool! Voted on all. Though would like to vote more on the protosses. Feast, Elfi, Bling & Tod are better than some of the current Top30 imo
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
September 27 2012 15:39 GMT
#4
Also, I think Scarlett should be top10 at least.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
September 27 2012 15:46 GMT
#5
Vortix and Lucifron deserve their rankings. What about Scarlett? She won WCS NA.
=Þ
InfectedGoat
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada444 Posts
September 27 2012 15:49 GMT
#6
nightend has gotten a lot better recently, thinks he deserve a little higer
and i was like BANELINGS x 3
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
September 27 2012 16:48 GMT
#7
Nice again. I agree with this month's more than any other month. The only big change I would make is to make lowely less lowely. =) Sheth probably a bit too high too.
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 16:51:49
September 27 2012 16:50 GMT
#8
These days I think Kespa does a better job ranking current talent. Nothing about the OP, but the polls that people are voting on. Won something, anything, in the past week? "Too Low!" Haven't won a championship in the past month? "Too High!"

I just want to say sorry to all the players on the community's behalf.

edit: Just wanted to be clear that I think the OP did a pretty good job.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 18:25:52
September 27 2012 18:24 GMT
#9
Grubby, sLivko, DIMAGA, and HasuObs are too high. Snute is the best zerg in Norway and should be in the mid-teens, BabyKnight is also way way undervalued, considering where Grubby has been placed, putting BK so far down makes no sense. Scarlett is in the top ten. JonnyREcco should also be quite a bit higher. Not sure why Happy is so high up there, but he won't ever win anything, so he placement is probably not accurate.

Also, it's so interesting to me that Stephano and Nerchio are seen as accurately ranked, but almost everybody else in the top ten is judged 'too high'. I actually agree with it, but then I run into the problem of who to give that space. If I were writing a PR, I probably would leave the third spot empty. There's nobody who deserves it right now; NaNiwa is on a huge skid, MaNa is inconsistent, and we just haven't seen much from SaSe to give him that slot, although he's the best bet for my money.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 18:29:30
September 27 2012 18:29 GMT
#10
On September 28 2012 03:24 tree.hugger wrote:
Grubby, sLivko, DIMAGA, and HasuObs are too high. Snute is the best zerg in Norway and should be in the mid-teens, BabyKnight is also way way undervalued, considering where Grubby has been placed, putting BK so far down makes no sense. Scarlett is in the top ten. JonnyREcco should also be quite a bit higher. Not sure why Happy is so high up there, but he won't ever win anything, so he placement is probably not accurate.

Also, it's so interesting to me that Stephano and Nerchio are seen as accurately ranked, but almost everybody else in the top ten is judged 'too high'. I actually agree with it, but then I run into the problem of who to give that space. If I were writing a PR, I probably would leave the third spot empty. There's nobody who deserves it right now; NaNiwa is on a huge skid, MaNa is inconsistent, and we just haven't seen much from SaSe to give him that slot, although he's the best bet for my money.


thanks for the feedback.

would u mind to post ur personal ranking here? I'd be really interested in it
its easy to say "xy should be lower / higher", but its hard to place them correctly when all comes together!
leaving out ranks, ranking 2 guys the same place or making the list longer than 30 isnt what i ranking is supposed to be, that makes it rly hard honestly^^
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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:04:23
September 27 2012 20:07 GMT
#11
Completely agree with this list

infact; I completely disagree with the voting from tl´rs, they seem far more populistic, and if it is one thing this poll has done right, is that it has (Even if monthly) a healthy look on the longertimespan, and not trends.



Except one thing:

Get johnnyreco out and get major in.


Just... get... major in, somewhere, shieses
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 27 2012 20:37 GMT
#12
the funny thing is, that everyone from rank 20 to 30 seem to be ranked too low :D
if i rank them up all together, we have the same ranking again
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 27 2012 20:50 GMT
#13
Snute, hasuobs and slivko should be off.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:01:56
September 27 2012 21:01 GMT
#14
It's fraer, not Frear.

Anyway, nice list. Naniwa seems to be a bit too high at the moment because he hasn't performed well in the last few tournaments but since I know you have people drop lower really slowly, it's okay, I guess. And as tree.hugger said, I don't know who I'd give the spot to anyway. Maybe even to one of the Spaniards, but that would be a bit too biased due to very recent events and with the way you're ranking, you couldn't even remotely justify it.

Whatever, enough with the rambling, keep those lists coming.
EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 22:13:33
September 27 2012 22:09 GMT
#15
On September 28 2012 03:24 tree.hugger wrote:
Grubby, sLivko, DIMAGA, and HasuObs are too high. Snute is the best zerg in Norway and should be in the mid-teens, BabyKnight is also way way undervalued, considering where Grubby has been placed, putting BK so far down makes no sense. Scarlett is in the top ten. JonnyREcco should also be quite a bit higher. Not sure why Happy is so high up there, but he won't ever win anything, so he placement is probably not accurate.

Also, it's so interesting to me that Stephano and Nerchio are seen as accurately ranked, but almost everybody else in the top ten is judged 'too high'. I actually agree with it, but then I run into the problem of who to give that space. If I were writing a PR, I probably would leave the third spot empty. There's nobody who deserves it right now; NaNiwa is on a huge skid, MaNa is inconsistent, and we just haven't seen much from SaSe to give him that slot, although he's the best bet for my money.



I disagree with most of this...

I've never seen snute perform well in tournaments or clan wars. And the 3rd place should easily be given to THORZAIN.

He won Dreamhack stockholm as well as TSL 2 and has been a generally consistent player for a while now.

Happy has held EU GM no.1 for many consecutive seasons and performed quite well in tournaments like Homestory cup even when Terran was doing it's worst. He definately deserved to be top 15.

Major problems with this list are

Scarlett too low, she roflstomped WCS canada
Maj0r.... Fucking major put him on that list what the fuck
Suppy/Vibe need to be there in place of say, Titan]

Ret hasn't won anything I don't believe... Swap his place with scarlett.
I'm embarrased by my past actions and even more ashamed of my present thoughts and future endeavors to clear my name.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
September 28 2012 04:28 GMT
#16
On September 28 2012 07:09 EnE wrote:
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On September 28 2012 03:24 tree.hugger wrote:
Grubby, sLivko, DIMAGA, and HasuObs are too high. Snute is the best zerg in Norway and should be in the mid-teens, BabyKnight is also way way undervalued, considering where Grubby has been placed, putting BK so far down makes no sense. Scarlett is in the top ten. JonnyREcco should also be quite a bit higher. Not sure why Happy is so high up there, but he won't ever win anything, so he placement is probably not accurate.

Also, it's so interesting to me that Stephano and Nerchio are seen as accurately ranked, but almost everybody else in the top ten is judged 'too high'. I actually agree with it, but then I run into the problem of who to give that space. If I were writing a PR, I probably would leave the third spot empty. There's nobody who deserves it right now; NaNiwa is on a huge skid, MaNa is inconsistent, and we just haven't seen much from SaSe to give him that slot, although he's the best bet for my money.



I disagree with most of this...

I've never seen snute perform well in tournaments or clan wars. And the 3rd place should easily be given to THORZAIN.

He won Dreamhack stockholm as well as TSL 2 and has been a generally consistent player for a while now.

Happy has held EU GM no.1 for many consecutive seasons and performed quite well in tournaments like Homestory cup even when Terran was doing it's worst. He definately deserved to be top 15.

Major problems with this list are

Scarlett too low, she roflstomped WCS canada
Maj0r.... Fucking major put him on that list what the fuck
Suppy/Vibe need to be there in place of say, Titan]

Ret hasn't won anything I don't believe... Swap his place with scarlett.
(-_-)

Snute recently took second place at Campus Party Europe, and third at the Battle of the Ministry of Win. He won the online ONOG Invitational a while ago, but if you can count ThorZaIN's TSL2 win as an argument for him being ranked over a year later, then I can certainly mention everything else.

ThorZaIN is really good, but I question his killer instinct. When he was an underdog, he used to constantly over-perform expectations, in part because they were low, but also in part because he seems to relish playing up. Now that he's routinely favored, he's had difficulty matching expectations. Happy hasn't been EU GM #1 in ages, that's been VortiX and BabyKnight for a while now. He basically plays one style per match-up, and will probably keep performing decently without ever winning anything. Much as I love Suppy, and much as I've recently been impressed by ViBE, TitaN is better than both.

Ret has won Assembly Winter 2011, EU Battle.net Championship, took top four at DH Winter 2011, took third at IEM Sao Paulo, won the RB LAN #1, took top four at DH Stockholm, directly qualified for TSL4, and took fourth at NASL3. He's not so bad.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 28 2012 09:32 GMT
#17
On September 28 2012 07:09 EnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 03:24 tree.hugger wrote:
Grubby, sLivko, DIMAGA, and HasuObs are too high. Snute is the best zerg in Norway and should be in the mid-teens, BabyKnight is also way way undervalued, considering where Grubby has been placed, putting BK so far down makes no sense. Scarlett is in the top ten. JonnyREcco should also be quite a bit higher. Not sure why Happy is so high up there, but he won't ever win anything, so he placement is probably not accurate.

Also, it's so interesting to me that Stephano and Nerchio are seen as accurately ranked, but almost everybody else in the top ten is judged 'too high'. I actually agree with it, but then I run into the problem of who to give that space. If I were writing a PR, I probably would leave the third spot empty. There's nobody who deserves it right now; NaNiwa is on a huge skid, MaNa is inconsistent, and we just haven't seen much from SaSe to give him that slot, although he's the best bet for my money.



I disagree with most of this...

I've never seen snute perform well in tournaments or clan wars. And the 3rd place should easily be given to THORZAIN.

He won Dreamhack stockholm as well as TSL 2 and has been a generally consistent player for a while now.

Happy has held EU GM no.1 for many consecutive seasons and performed quite well in tournaments like Homestory cup even when Terran was doing it's worst. He definately deserved to be top 15.

Major problems with this list are

Scarlett too low, she roflstomped WCS canada
Maj0r.... Fucking major put him on that list what the fuck
Suppy/Vibe need to be there in place of say, Titan]

Ret hasn't won anything I don't believe... Swap his place with scarlett.


no way can u swap in vibe or suppy for titan on 13. lol.
watch titans results, hes one of the best foreign protosses for sure!
major - ye, but talent isnt everything, results are missing.
scarlett - i need more offline results. winning wcs canada isnt the most impressive thing for a top 10 caliber player - anyone would do it. she is on her way up though obviously as you can see on this months ranking.
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Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
September 28 2012 12:30 GMT
#18
In my opinion, top5 should be Stephano, Vortix, Lucifron, Grubby, Mana.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
September 28 2012 15:06 GMT
#19
Oh, a bit early, Karl .

The polls are bit funny, almost every player placed "too high"?

On September 28 2012 00:46 Heh_ wrote:
Vortix and Lucifron deserve their rankings. What about Scarlett? She won WCS NA.


And she is the top NA players on the list.
EU/KR competition is pretty different to that. She recently lost to Titan and TLO. I think she is pretty well placed.

The most missplaced player is Huk imo. I don't get how he lost 6 more places this month. He is 3-0 in NASL and qualified for IPL5 beating 3 Koreans. He should be clearly placed above Idra.
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
September 28 2012 15:56 GMT
#20
I always really enjoy saying how things are progressing from month to month I still think that ViBe should be on that but perhaps we'll see him jump up there after the MvP MLG event finishes seems like he's dominating right now for NA with a 6-0 record at the start.
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Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
September 28 2012 20:57 GMT
#21
Babyknight and Scarlet need to be way higher
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
September 28 2012 21:21 GMT
#22
Now that I've seen some arguments, I agree Babyknight a lot higher and Huk a bit higher.

However, I disagree with tree's sentiment of Happy and Hasuobs being too high. They might never be a top player, but if you ran a tournament right now and probably any time till they retire, I bet they'll always consistently finish around where they're placed. It's a similar problem to what I had with lucifron's ranking last month; most people would agree that he has a ton of potential, but making a ranking solely based off of potential is imo a bit too subjective to justify in a ranking.
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
September 29 2012 03:42 GMT
#23
the lack of terrans on this list makes me sad
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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
October 01 2012 06:57 GMT
#24
(Z)Scarlett is too low. (T)LucifroN passing (T)ThorZaIN.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 09:43:31
October 05 2012 09:23 GMT
#25
Just a small update about whats going through my mind currently concidering those rankings:

I think i undervalued snute quite a bit.
Also, Major, beastyqt and probably Feast should be in there.
The question is: for who? Jrecco, Targa, Bly, Lowely? Some well known EG players? idk :/

Monchi should be in the top 50 now after his impressive ieSF win, while socke seems to be worse than ever and should probably drop even more ranks now. SortOf is a tiny bit overvalued as well.
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jupidar
Profile Joined December 2010
United States229 Posts
October 05 2012 18:01 GMT
#26
Curious, what has SaSe done to be ranked so high? Genuine question because I don't follow him that much.
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
October 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#27
Next year I'll be on that list
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ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 21:45:16
October 05 2012 20:07 GMT
#28
Major is a top ten foreigner... Not on the list is just bad. Vibe should also be there.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 07 2012 04:33 GMT
#29
On October 05 2012 18:23 KalWarkov wrote:
Just a small update about whats going through my mind currently concidering those rankings:

I think i undervalued snute quite a bit.
Also, Major, beastyqt and probably Feast should be in there.
The question is: for who? Jrecco, Targa, Bly, Lowely? Some well known EG players? idk :/

Monchi should be in the top 50 now after his impressive ieSF win, while socke seems to be worse than ever and should probably drop even more ranks now. SortOf is a tiny bit overvalued as well.


Yeah, Major and Beasty should be in. I would drop Bly and Lowely.
I agree about monchi and Socke.

On October 06 2012 05:07 ampson wrote:
Major is a top ten foreigner... Not on the list is just bad. Vibe should also be there.


Major should be on the list, but he has definitly not shown enough to be top ten. He beat Hyun and Puma (but also lost to both of them shortly after or before). We need to see more from Major, especially vs Europeans too.

Vibe is in contention with his latest matches.

On October 06 2012 03:01 jupidar wrote:
Curious, what has SaSe done to be ranked so high? Genuine question because I don't follow him that much.


Sase doesnt play a lot of tournaments. So if you don't follow him and don't hear from him, it doesnt mean, he is doing bad.

He had very strong MLG performances this year (beating numerous of strong koreans). At the last Dreamhack he only was eliminated by the later winner Taeja, he did beat Sage and Moon before.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
October 07 2012 04:52 GMT
#30
Vortix, Thorzain, Sase, and maybe Ret should be lower imo
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guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 07 2012 08:01 GMT
#31
Wow this is awesome. I was totally out of the loop of the scene until I saw this. It's helps a ton having the poll too. Bookmarked.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 07 2012 09:50 GMT
#32
On October 07 2012 17:01 guitarizt wrote:
Wow this is awesome. I was totally out of the loop of the scene until I saw this. It's helps a ton having the poll too. Bookmarked.


You may want to check my korean ranking :
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=372185
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
October 07 2012 19:06 GMT
#33
On October 07 2012 18:50 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 17:01 guitarizt wrote:
Wow this is awesome. I was totally out of the loop of the scene until I saw this. It's helps a ton having the poll too. Bookmarked.


You may want to check my korean ranking :
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=372185


ill add this to the OP i think.

dno what to do with naniwa, well see next month^^
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OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 19:03:23
October 08 2012 18:54 GMT
#34
On October 06 2012 05:07 ampson wrote:
Major is a top ten foreigner... Not on the list is just bad. Vibe should also be there.


He really isn't. He definitely has talent, but what accomplishments does he have in international LAN tournaments?

Vibe, Scarlet and Major are really hard to rank when they so rarely participate in tournaments with lots of non-NA players.

Also, Snute is probably better than Targa. It's too bad he hasn't participated in some of the big tournaments of late, because he seems to be in pretty good shape. Beat Targa the other day in a Norwegian lan. Also demolished Babyknight in that bo69 match, although admittably that wasn't a very serious showmatch in terms of prestige.
Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
October 08 2012 20:31 GMT
#35
Stephano #1 since March, thats some damn good consistency.
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 08 2012 21:49 GMT
#36
Nani so not #3 anymore :s
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 08 2012 22:01 GMT
#37
On October 09 2012 06:49 HaXXspetten wrote:
Nani so not #3 anymore :s

Idk. Who is really challenging Nani?
In MLG vs Kespa Nani is currently the only foreigner with a positive record.
GSL is just very tough and many would lose there (as did Mana). In the showmatch vs Nerchio, Nerchio got in his head and ZvP has often been his bane.
I would have to see a bit more of Sase, Lucifron and vortix to place them over Nani.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 27 2012 14:37 GMT
#38
This months rating will be interesting, don't you dare leave fraer out this time! He's just been so consistently solid, at the very least top 5 EU toss for me, but maybe I tend to overrate him.
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