Before I go any further, I have to make the very embarrassing admission that this blog isn't about me or any girl I actually know per se, but I'm trying to help a friend out. Obviously my poor looks anti-female body armor would prevent such a situation from arising on my end.
Motivating Problem: So, my friend--let's call him "natural philosophy master," ("physics master") in short, has known said girl--let's call her "Paula," for a few months now. I know from physics master's ramblings that he was initially a classmate of Paula's and that they've spent a fair amount of time doing 'friend' activities--i.e. activities that in the wrong context may be construed as belonging to the 'date' category. Strictly speaking, these were limited to things such as eating dinner together consuming sustenance in the dining halls and touring the city walking together to various bus stops. Let me make it clear that he hasn't shown any signs of affection during these activities--I can confirm this to a limited extent through my observations of them together working on homework assignments. In fact, until recently, physics master was completely unaware of the situation until he was asked by said girl to a trip to a local amusement park. He was still even somewhat doubtful of the idea that she had feelings for him until I reinforced his own brewing suspicious. At this instant, he realized that he had a serious problem. Saying that she is not a vector in his subspace of compatible girlfriends is putting it lightly; even the projection of said vector in the subspace is the zero vector. Every physics master has boundary conditions.
Initial condition: At time t=0, physics master will be at the amusement park with said girl. The function must be continuous on the entire interval of Saturday and must be well-behaved (he must avoid any ugly scenario as they will likely end up taking the bus together home). I can't apply any existence theorem here to guarantee that such a solution even exists, but that's where the infinite wisdom of TL comes into play.
TL DR; Find a build order that lets my friend get through a "date" while maintaining a safe rush distance. This will be a macro game.
**I apologize for making this blog unnecessarily vague; I only wish to protect the identities of all those involved
If you realize a girl's asking you on a date and you're not interested, you should say (BEFORE THE DATE) that you're only interested in her as a friend. 2 plausible responses: 1) she says "lol me too" and it's all good 2) she is like "aww man that sucks" but at least it's out in the open and you can deal with it.
The whole idea of going to the park on false pretenses is bad. He should talk to her beforehand and tell her firmly but kindly that he sees her only as a friend. If she's still down for going to the park then hey, go to the park. If not, you've each saved money since you don't have to buy amusement park tickets!
So yeah be honest and frank up front and it'll be all good.
I give it a 4/5-- good girl blog but not about you.
I cannot provide any provable solution as I have worked on a similar problem with little success for some two years. Factual statements appear to be incompatible with the solution problem space.
On April 28 2012 17:41 UniversalSnip wrote: I cannot provide any provable solution as I have worked on a similar problem with little success for some two years. Factual statements appear to be incompatible with the solution problem space.
Yeah or you could just tell her you're not interested up front??? Honestly it will hurt her less to find out earlier... imagine if you were the one getting friendzoned-- better to know earlier right
On April 28 2012 17:37 Blazinghand wrote: If you realize a girl's asking you on a date and you're not interested, you should say (BEFORE THE DATE) that you're only interested in her as a friend. 2 plausible responses: 1) she says "lol me too" and it's all good 2) she is like "aww man that sucks" but at least it's out in the open and you can deal with it.
The whole idea of going to the park on false pretenses is bad. He should talk to her beforehand and tell her firmly but kindly that he sees her only as a friend. If she's still down for going to the park then hey, go to the park. If not, you've each saved money since you don't have to buy amusement park tickets!
So yeah be honest and frank up front and it'll be all good.
Let me clarify that the initial conditions cannot be changed. Being the boneless wimp that he is, physics master has already bought tickets; so saving money is impossible and that he really has no way to avoid going to the park with her aside from the imaginary solution (ditching). However, he agrees that he should be at least be honest if she does anything to escalate the situation.
I guess another question is recognize at what time he should firmly tell her what he thinks.
On April 28 2012 17:37 Blazinghand wrote: If you realize a girl's asking you on a date and you're not interested, you should say (BEFORE THE DATE) that you're only interested in her as a friend. 2 plausible responses: 1) she says "lol me too" and it's all good 2) she is like "aww man that sucks" but at least it's out in the open and you can deal with it.
The whole idea of going to the park on false pretenses is bad. He should talk to her beforehand and tell her firmly but kindly that he sees her only as a friend. If she's still down for going to the park then hey, go to the park. If not, you've each saved money since you don't have to buy amusement park tickets!
So yeah be honest and frank up front and it'll be all good.
Let me clarify that the initial conditions cannot be changed. Being the boneless wimp that he is, physics master has already bought tickets; so saving money is impossible and that he really has no way to avoid going to the park with her aside from the imaginary solution (ditching). However, he agrees that he should be at least be honest if she does anything to escalate the situation.
I guess another question is recognize at what time he should firmly tell her what he thinks.
How much time do we have to work with here? If they're going to the thing tomorrow then basically we're totes bonerized
BUT
if it's like next weekend, you should just talk to her now, and if she doesn't want to go to the amusement park, scalp the tickets
OR, EVEN BETTER,
If she's like "wahh ok if you dont' want to bone me, then we're not gonna be friends" then just ask out a hot babe and BAM HAVE AN ACTUAL DATE
On April 28 2012 17:37 Blazinghand wrote: If you realize a girl's asking you on a date and you're not interested, you should say (BEFORE THE DATE) that you're only interested in her as a friend. 2 plausible responses: 1) she says "lol me too" and it's all good 2) she is like "aww man that sucks" but at least it's out in the open and you can deal with it.
The whole idea of going to the park on false pretenses is bad. He should talk to her beforehand and tell her firmly but kindly that he sees her only as a friend. If she's still down for going to the park then hey, go to the park. If not, you've each saved money since you don't have to buy amusement park tickets!
So yeah be honest and frank up front and it'll be all good.
Let me clarify that the initial conditions cannot be changed. Being the boneless wimp that he is, physics master has already bought tickets; so saving money is impossible and that he really has no way to avoid going to the park with her aside from the imaginary solution (ditching). However, he agrees that he should be at least be honest if she does anything to escalate the situation.
I guess another question is recognize at what time he should firmly tell her what he thinks.
How much time do we have to work with here? If they're going to the thing tomorrow then basically we're totes bonerized
BUT
if it's like next weekend, you should just talk to her now, and if she doesn't want to go to the amusement park, scalp the tickets
OR, EVEN BETTER,
If she's like "wahh ok if you dont' want to bone me, then we're not gonna be friends" then just ask out a hot babe and BAM HAVE AN ACTUAL DATE
oh shiiii
Unfortunately, it's Saturday as in today (it's past midnight here). If only physics master and I had come up with that solution earlier D:
On the bright side he's just told me that Paula bought her own ticket, so it's not a (total) loss. He doesn't think that she's a very aggressive girl; but this poses the problem that it'll be difficult to read her actions. He doesn't want to unnecessarily blurt out oh we're just friends if that's she's been thinking the whole time.
On April 28 2012 17:37 Blazinghand wrote: If you realize a girl's asking you on a date and you're not interested, you should say (BEFORE THE DATE) that you're only interested in her as a friend. 2 plausible responses: 1) she says "lol me too" and it's all good 2) she is like "aww man that sucks" but at least it's out in the open and you can deal with it.
The whole idea of going to the park on false pretenses is bad. He should talk to her beforehand and tell her firmly but kindly that he sees her only as a friend. If she's still down for going to the park then hey, go to the park. If not, you've each saved money since you don't have to buy amusement park tickets!
So yeah be honest and frank up front and it'll be all good.
Let me clarify that the initial conditions cannot be changed. Being the boneless wimp that he is, physics master has already bought tickets; so saving money is impossible and that he really has no way to avoid going to the park with her aside from the imaginary solution (ditching). However, he agrees that he should be at least be honest if she does anything to escalate the situation.
I guess another question is recognize at what time he should firmly tell her what he thinks.
How much time do we have to work with here? If they're going to the thing tomorrow then basically we're totes bonerized
BUT
if it's like next weekend, you should just talk to her now, and if she doesn't want to go to the amusement park, scalp the tickets
OR, EVEN BETTER,
If she's like "wahh ok if you dont' want to bone me, then we're not gonna be friends" then just ask out a hot babe and BAM HAVE AN ACTUAL DATE
oh shiiii
Unfortunately, it's Saturday as in today (it's past midnight here). If only physics master and I had come up with that solution earlier D:
On the bright side he's just told me that Paula bought her own ticket, so it's not a (total) loss. He doesn't think that she's a very aggressive girl; but this poses the problem that it'll be difficult to read her actions. He doesn't want to unnecessarily blurt out oh we're just friends if that's she's been thinking the whole time.
Oh man that's a real toughie. It's a same day deal, that ALSO gets rid of the possibility of you finding another date on short notice-- unless you got some serious mad skills and like pick up a chick past midnight OR early in the morning. And scalping a ticket on the same day is a huge pain ;_; unless you're willing to take a loss on the ticket of course, then you could dump it around 10-11 ish when the families show up.
So what you could do is, tell her in the morning, THEN if she gets all mad, offer to buy out her ticket and then go with a friend. amusement parks are pretty fun! Just make sure you do this before you get on the bus.
EDIT: alternatively, if you're interested in her you should have him bail and then just show up and be like "oh hey baby did you get stood up or what" and she's like "oh loser777 physics guy just stood me up on this date" and you're like "hey baby its okay you can go on a date with me, that guy gave me this ticket anyways" and she's like "oh you're so handsome and i'm so emotionally vulnerable!" and it'll be good
"Hey Paula, it's natural philosophy master. Listen, there's something I wanted to ask you: the amusement park plan, did you mean that as a date? Because as much as I enjoy going out and doing fun stuff together, I also don't have romantic feelings for you, and I suddenly got worried that I might be giving you the wrong signals. I know this is unexpected, but we've been hanging out a lot one-on-one, and I just wanted us to be on the same page so neither of us is hurt or embarrassed later on."
Or something. Paula will probably get the point and answer the question before natural philosophy master needs to say all that. He just needs to open the topic.
Edit: Oh. He's got the ticket? Just go as friends and if it's awkward, suck it up.
On April 28 2012 17:51 Masq wrote: switch your gameplan, a macro build won't work.
You need to go head first with a micro intensive build after scouting such an opener. I suggest a baneling bust.
Imagine that the game doesn't end when the opponent is defeated; instead, you're stuck in chat with her for the rest of the day.
On April 28 2012 17:46 surfinbird1 wrote: This might actually be the first man in the history of mankind with this problem.
I think it's very likely that you don't find every girl in the universe attractive. This problem is just an instance where you're on a date with one element of the set of unattractive girls.
So in any case, Looser777, i think the best strategy here is for the friend to tell her straight up and for you to swoop and implement the strategy I outlined here:
On April 28 2012 17:53 Blazinghand wrote: EDIT: alternatively, if you're interested in her you should have him bail and then just show up and be like "oh hey baby did you get stood up or what" and she's like "oh loser777 physics guy just stood me up on this date" and you're like "hey baby its okay you can go on a date with me, that guy gave me this ticket anyways" and she's like "oh you're so handsome and i'm so emotionally vulnerable!" and it'll be good
EDIT: Assuming of course you are single & interested
On April 28 2012 18:00 Blazinghand wrote: So in any case, Looser777, i think the best strategy here is for the friend to tell her straight up and for you to swoop and implement the strategy I outlined here:
On April 28 2012 17:53 Blazinghand wrote: EDIT: alternatively, if you're interested in her you should have him bail and then just show up and be like "oh hey baby did you get stood up or what" and she's like "oh loser777 physics guy just stood me up on this date" and you're like "hey baby its okay you can go on a date with me, that guy gave me this ticket anyways" and she's like "oh you're so handsome and i'm so emotionally vulnerable!" and it'll be good
EDIT: Assuming of course you are single & interested
Haha, no--ironically I have even higher standards than physics master does.
His main problem is that he doesn't want to be the bad guy. He's interested in another girl so he acknowledges that he needs to say this at some point and that the sooner the better.
She seems very excited to go on this trip. I'm telling him that he's actually being a bad guy by passively egging her on all this time.
On April 28 2012 18:00 Blazinghand wrote: So in any case, Looser777, i think the best strategy here is for the friend to tell her straight up and for you to swoop and implement the strategy I outlined here:
On April 28 2012 17:53 Blazinghand wrote: EDIT: alternatively, if you're interested in her you should have him bail and then just show up and be like "oh hey baby did you get stood up or what" and she's like "oh loser777 physics guy just stood me up on this date" and you're like "hey baby its okay you can go on a date with me, that guy gave me this ticket anyways" and she's like "oh you're so handsome and i'm so emotionally vulnerable!" and it'll be good
EDIT: Assuming of course you are single & interested
Haha, no--ironically I have even higher standards than physics master does.
His main problem is that he doesn't want to be the bad guy. He's interested in another girl so he acknowledges that he needs to say this at some point and that the sooner the better.
She seems very excited to go on this trip. I'm telling him that he's actually being a bad guy by passively egging her on all this time.
Make the fool talk to her already. If they're smart enough to do homework together then they're smart enough to figure out this stupid situation together once they both have the facts.
On April 28 2012 18:00 Blazinghand wrote: So in any case, Looser777, i think the best strategy here is for the friend to tell her straight up and for you to swoop and implement the strategy I outlined here:
On April 28 2012 17:53 Blazinghand wrote: EDIT: alternatively, if you're interested in her you should have him bail and then just show up and be like "oh hey baby did you get stood up or what" and she's like "oh loser777 physics guy just stood me up on this date" and you're like "hey baby its okay you can go on a date with me, that guy gave me this ticket anyways" and she's like "oh you're so handsome and i'm so emotionally vulnerable!" and it'll be good
EDIT: Assuming of course you are single & interested
Haha, no--ironically I have even higher standards than physics master does.
His main problem is that he doesn't want to be the bad guy. He's interested in another girl so he acknowledges that he needs to say this at some point and that the sooner the better.
She seems very excited to go on this trip. I'm telling him that he's actually being a bad guy by passively egging her on all this time.
Ah, well then that option is gone. I don't suppose the two of you have some other single, compatible friend to be a tissue box for her after the horrible potential letdown?
Regarding being a good guy: Oh yeah definitely. If he wants to be a good guy the best thing to do is tell her sooner. I'm sure he's been in the reverse situation, right? Better to know sooner rather than later.
I guess he understands what the consensus is at this point, but as with the protagonist of every other girl blog, he must realize that it is simply up to him to execute the delicately prepared build order.
Let's postulate other girls B, C, D, and E, who each form basis vectors (when normalized) in said friend's subspace of girlfriend vectors. Friend can form a different cross product with each of B, C, D, and E, which should tell girl A (whose projection into friend's subspace is the zero vector) that her cross product is zero as well. And what girl wants a cross product that's zero in magnitude? Size isn't everything, but it's something...
On April 28 2012 17:41 UniversalSnip wrote: I cannot provide any provable solution as I have worked on a similar problem with little success for some two years. Factual statements appear to be incompatible with the solution problem space.
Yeah or you could just tell her you're not interested up front??? Honestly it will hurt her less to find out earlier... imagine if you were the one getting friendzoned-- better to know earlier right
On April 28 2012 17:41 UniversalSnip wrote: I cannot provide any provable solution as I have worked on a similar problem with little success for some two years. Factual statements appear to be incompatible with the solution problem space.
Yeah or you could just tell her you're not interested up front??? Honestly it will hurt her less to find out earlier... imagine if you were the one getting friendzoned-- better to know earlier right
what makes you think I didn't?
Wow, it took me a few minutes to follow the thread back to figure out what this digression was about.
Also, doesn't "Friendzone" sound like some kind of 90s teen pop band? If there's a take-away from this thread, it's how awesome that is.
To the OP. Assuming you're serious. Your friend can be gracious, friendly, and nevertheless ready to be very direct about lack of interest should an instance come up where it seems in doubt. There's a lot of overlap between what's acceptable between friends and romantic partners, and as long as she doesn't cross any lines, it doesn't necessarily have to be an issue.
Your friend can try momzoning her. You know "You remind me of when I did this with my mom", etc. etc. It should be very clear that he's not interested in her as a girlfriend.
On April 28 2012 19:21 Nikon wrote: Your friend can try momzoning her. You know "You remind me of when I did this with my mom", etc. etc. It should be very clear that he's not interested in her as a girlfriend.
That's a little subtle. I'm not sure everyone would take that as a brush-off.
Eh, I hope it's not either of their FIRST dates ever with people....
Because if not, then this isn't even something to worry about. And, if your friend didn't see it until now..well, he must have his head in a book or something. I mean, who walks a girl to the bus stop or hangs out in halls and can't tell if someone is flirting with them?
And, also, if neither of you have actually heard from the girl in direct wording, how can you be sure? Because this seemed like a "surprise" for him. Maybe she is bored, lonely, or likes guy friends over girl friends?
I can't find a solution to the problem but I can prove that finding such a solution would be NP hard. See the way the neurons are arranged is like some sort of graph with nodes and edges. Whatever answer your friend provides will remove some of the edges of said graph depending on what associations the girl has created in her brain with the words your friend says. Finding the shortest(or perhaps best) pathway in such a graph would then be like solving a known NP problem, the ham cycle problem. The translations to and from the ham cycle problem would take at least polynomial time.
You could use heuristics and apply the honesty theorem though for a good enough approximation: Given a bad situation with a girl, the girl would in the long run be happier knowing the truth than being led on for too long or being lied to. It's an approximation so I can't guarantee the success of this solution.
Can't say I've ever seen this solution play out though.
I think the solution is quite easy. Tell him to put himself in the fucking friendzone again. Tell him to be very nice and caring with the girl. To talk a lot with girl, ask her about her problems, without ever touching her. Avoiding eye contact and an awakward body language should help aswell.
On April 28 2012 23:53 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: Step 1: You make a cameo on the trip Step 2: You take one for the team and kiss him passionately Step 3: ????? Step 4: Success.
On April 28 2012 19:21 Nikon wrote: Your friend can try momzoning her. You know "You remind me of when I did this with my mom", etc. etc. It should be very clear that he's not interested in her as a girlfriend.
Actually, instead of that you should try siszoning her. If he doesn't have a sister, "You're like the sister I never had", and if he has a sister, "I guess I have two sisters now", etc.
On April 29 2012 00:24 krndandaman wrote: if he has another girl he likes he should just mention her to 'Paula'. ex. "hey... there's this girl I like from (blahblah make it obvious its not paula) and I want to maybe ask her out. Any ideas?"
exactly my thoughts. Show her what's up without hitting her in the face. Then there are 3 possible outcomes: a) everything will go on as has been, and P.M + Paula will remain friends. If Paula was into P.M. and continues to wanting to be with him even though he made it absolutely clear that he is interested in girl number 2 (and thus not Paula) it is her own choice, thus P.M. will not be the bad guy (and no bad breakup). If Paula was not into P.M., nothing changes (except for the fact that she knows his secret crush on girl number 2). b) she will confront him, P.M. will have to grow some balls and tell her that he likes Paula as a friend, but doesn't think they belong together (not enough synergy). This is ugly, but leaves P.M. with the best sleep at night. c) she will make a retreat. P.M. will have lost Paula as a friend. This scenario is least likely, since P.M. did nothing to Paula directly. Plus, chicks dig dudes who are already taken (since they usually wont make a move on the girl, therefore making it a much safer friendship for the girl). As i said, most unlikely option.
The funny thing is, as long as P.M. doesn't throw the ball in Paulas court, all 3 possible outcomes are true at the same time.
I'm inclined to think he should try daughterzoning her or perhaps dogzoning. "you're like a less important daughter to me" or "i have so much fun with you, just like when I'm playing with my dog."
On April 28 2012 23:51 GoTuNk! wrote: I think the solution is quite easy. Tell him to put himself in the fucking friendzone again. Tell him to be very nice and caring with the girl. To talk a lot with girl, ask her about her problems, without ever touching her. Avoiding eye contact and an awakward body language should help aswell.
Always works for me. Though this girl has the balls to ask your friend out and your friend won't even give her a chance?
The only time in my life this situation happened to me, I used the "let's just be friends line" and I promptly ended up losing her as a friend. I wouldn't suggest doing that lol. After that I would just address them as friend/you're a great friend/etc. to let them know that I am only looking for friendship with them. It's a lot easier after you are married though, I just point to my ring.
On April 28 2012 21:01 Th1rdEye wrote: Eh, I hope it's not either of their FIRST dates ever with people....
Because if not, then this isn't even something to worry about. And, if your friend didn't see it until now..well, he must have his head in a book or something. I mean, who walks a girl to the bus stop or hangs out in halls and can't tell if someone is flirting with them?
And, also, if neither of you have actually heard from the girl in direct wording, how can you be sure? Because this seemed like a "surprise" for him. Maybe she is bored, lonely, or likes guy friends over girl friends?
Well by the sounds of the OP they're all in college and the guy is a physics major, aka a grade A nerd. So he probably DID have his head buried in a book the entire time while she's all giggly and shit, rofl.
Anyway OP I think the momzoning/siszoning and/or the "can you help me with this chick" line is a great solution.
It's just what I think though, who knows what'll happen with bitches.
Again, I bring up that any relationship with Paula is not a desirable moment for any parties involved.
Update #1: It seems that as the trip as a whole was organized by some larger entity; they met a mutual friend at the park. Hopefully the mutual friend serves as an integrating factor to find the solution.
I don't think he's going to say anything firm given that he has this bit of leeway now.
How do you even know that the girl likes your friend? For all you two know, she could be friendzoning him, you hear about this all the time. Maybe you should get out more.
Since when could men and women be friends? An obvious myth, dude should have known from the git-go. In order to correct said situation, tell him to be a man and speak his mind, otherwise this is going terminal velocity asap.
On April 28 2012 17:51 Masq wrote: switch your gameplan, a macro build won't work.
You need to go head first with a micro intensive build after scouting such an opener. I suggest a baneling bust.
I agree, you don't want a macro game here, that will just draw it out too long with potentially devastating results.
An early aggression build would be best. However, I think a baneling bust is too much of a do-or-die attack. You essentially blow your whole load in one dangerous moment.
The method I've used, and would not recommend, in these cases is a cloak banshee attack. I play hard to pin down and hard to catch while harassing them to the point of a frustration gg. Again, I would not suggest this method because the opponent is typically unhappy and confused afterwards.
Instead, I would suggest something more direct and brute force like a 4 gate. Simple, strait-forward. Its not as much about hiding your tech as it is about just hammering them with the truth quickly, and moving forwards from there.
On April 28 2012 23:53 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: Step 1: You make a cameo on the trip Step 2: You take one for the team and kiss him passionately Step 3: ????? Step 4: Success.
Update 2: Well, as I mentioned earlier, physics master indeed found another group of friends, but this was not an asymptotically stable solution. The other group immediately assumed that he and Paula were a couple, and proceeded to act as a group of onlookers (taking several pictures of them). The rest of the day became exponentially more uncomfortable and awkward and I really don't understand why he didn't just say WE'RE NOT A COUPLE.
On April 29 2012 15:50 Loser777 wrote: Update 2: Well, as I mentioned earlier, physics master indeed found another group of friends, but this was not an asymptotically stable solution. The other group immediately assumed that he and Paula were a couple, and proceeded to act as a group of onlookers (taking several pictures of them). The rest of the day became exponentially more uncomfortable and awkward and I really don't understand why he didn't just say WE'RE NOT A COUPLE.
The future really looks grim at this point.
Sounds like he might as well take his chances and /0 at this point. At worst, the universe implodes; at best, he will be free of this burden with infinite new possibilities before him.
On April 29 2012 15:50 Loser777 wrote: Update 2: Well, as I mentioned earlier, physics master indeed found another group of friends, but this was not an asymptotically stable solution. The other group immediately assumed that he and Paula were a couple, and proceeded to act as a group of onlookers (taking several pictures of them). The rest of the day became exponentially more uncomfortable and awkward and I really don't understand why he didn't just say WE'RE NOT A COUPLE.
The future really looks grim at this point.
This system is becoming increasingly non-linear and chaos is certain to result. I strongly recommend physics master approach his maximum delta v in an attempt to turn around, or prepare for a rough landing in the maw of hell.
In theory, nothing could be more straightforward: he should tell her the truth ASAP. In practice, this is like the toughest Gordian Knot in the history of mankind. There's no way to untie it- u gotta cut it. Being honest in this situation is super tough. The problem is he "doesn't want to be a bad guy" and essentially what it boils down to is he wants to do it in a way that doesn't hurt her feelings. Well the thing is he doesn't get to choose whether her feelings are hurt or not. There's absolutely no way to prevent someone from taking rejection negatively. You can only be honest right off the bat and see what the girl prefers to do about it. Or he can start acting like a loser until she stops being interested. Like maybe he pees his pants and starts crying and sucking his thumb on the "date." If he really wants to be a good guy that's going to be positively saintly! But most guys would rather the girl stops bothering him while remaining interested so he feels good about himself
On April 28 2012 23:53 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: Step 1: You make a cameo on the trip Step 2: You take one for the team and kiss him passionately Step 3: ????? Step 4: Success.
Most viable solution right here
I too third this.
Another support for this idea here.
Alternatively, he could just go full honesty and tell Paula that 1) he likes hanging out with her but 2) he is not looking for a serious relationship with her because 3) he simply doesn't feel anything more than friendship.
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