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GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
April 06 2012 15:17 GMT
#41
On April 06 2012 04:31 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 02:30 GeorgeForeman wrote:
1) Do you pronounce "hour" as "hower" or "ower"? :-)

2) You are pretty emphatic about a couple of points in your post. The first is that gender roles are meaningless ("I don't conform to beliefs that boys and girls have to act in any specific way", but you also say that from a very early time, you knew you were a girl/woman. Am I wrong to think these two views represent something of a contradiction? If gender roles don't exist, what makes a person a woman or a man?


1: I pronounce it as "ow-er", but I also pronounce hourly, hours in the same way and so far as I'm that is the correct version which (more importantly ) doesn't annoy me. Do you pronounce hers as "ers"?

2: A question which thanks to the beauty contest thread I've actually been putting a lot of thought in to how to express, and to be honest I've found myself for the first time unable to find an answer I think covers everything properly.* I don't know if it's a limitation in language or in my use of it, but gender I'm finding is a more and more insufficient word.

Gender roles are roles applied to genders and so are of course not actually the object, "gender". I think as a free species that's an important distinction as if people were not able to act as they wished and were bound to a series of roles then we would find people far less interesting than they actually are.

When I say I realised at a young age I was a girl it was something far more fundamental than how I wanted to dress, or which toys I wanted to play with. I realised how much my body was going to change as I reached adult hood and I hated the realisation as it wasn't right. As I grew older the issues became far more obvious and far more concerning. Fundamentally I was different to the boys I was grouped with, and the situations that forced me in to were gradually more unbearable.

The reason I'm making these points is to try to express in idea's a word I can't find. There is some gender identity which I believe is available to all, but which is acutely a problem if it is not in line with your sex. The user Squarewalker said earlier today on this site a comment which I think sums it up "To cisgender people it may seem like being a certain gender doesn't have a feel to it - and yes, it's a lot like breathing in that sense I guess. Being able to breathe does not make you happy, but not being able to is suffocating."

Being a man or a woman is something which is hard to quantify, but it can not be a way of acting, of appearing or even genetics as they vary wildly from person to person of either sex. It must then be something other than that, an identity. I don't think I could define it better than "an adult male" or "an adult female", and leave it to the individual to understand to which they honestly belong. Gender roles I must leave to society.

*Edit: Also, I'm really thankful that there are people on TeamLiquid who can make these points so well that I find myself in this position at all. The level of thought which goes in to discussions from other users is something which I really love about TL when it happens.

Hmm. Would you agree with the statement that gender roles are a purely social construct while gender is something innate to an individual? (Both of these, of course, being divorced from sex, which is biological/genetic.) If so, that's an interesting perspective. I've heard others express the opinion that gender is something we as a society enforce on eachother, but your perspective seems quite different given how unequivocally you identify as a woman.

From this perspective, it would make perfect sense for a person with a male body but female gender identification to be a "tom boy". I'm not sure I'd considered that possibility prior to your post. ^_^
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ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
April 06 2012 16:08 GMT
#42
You're like a real life, human transformers kinda xD

Keep doing your thang.
Link to my serious blog, where I am serious and spreads truth, knowledge and "serious" stuff: http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=982066
ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
April 06 2012 16:17 GMT
#43

Not making fun, but I've always felt I was something else than a normal human sine a child, something with wings. Maybe that's why I'm so confused most of the time.
Link to my serious blog, where I am serious and spreads truth, knowledge and "serious" stuff: http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=982066
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
April 07 2012 12:56 GMT
#44
On April 07 2012 00:17 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 04:31 Iyerbeth wrote:
On April 06 2012 02:30 GeorgeForeman wrote:
1) Do you pronounce "hour" as "hower" or "ower"? :-)

2) You are pretty emphatic about a couple of points in your post. The first is that gender roles are meaningless ("I don't conform to beliefs that boys and girls have to act in any specific way", but you also say that from a very early time, you knew you were a girl/woman. Am I wrong to think these two views represent something of a contradiction? If gender roles don't exist, what makes a person a woman or a man?


1: I pronounce it as "ow-er", but I also pronounce hourly, hours in the same way and so far as I'm that is the correct version which (more importantly ) doesn't annoy me. Do you pronounce hers as "ers"?

2: A question which thanks to the beauty contest thread I've actually been putting a lot of thought in to how to express, and to be honest I've found myself for the first time unable to find an answer I think covers everything properly.* I don't know if it's a limitation in language or in my use of it, but gender I'm finding is a more and more insufficient word.

Gender roles are roles applied to genders and so are of course not actually the object, "gender". I think as a free species that's an important distinction as if people were not able to act as they wished and were bound to a series of roles then we would find people far less interesting than they actually are.

When I say I realised at a young age I was a girl it was something far more fundamental than how I wanted to dress, or which toys I wanted to play with. I realised how much my body was going to change as I reached adult hood and I hated the realisation as it wasn't right. As I grew older the issues became far more obvious and far more concerning. Fundamentally I was different to the boys I was grouped with, and the situations that forced me in to were gradually more unbearable.

The reason I'm making these points is to try to express in idea's a word I can't find. There is some gender identity which I believe is available to all, but which is acutely a problem if it is not in line with your sex. The user Squarewalker said earlier today on this site a comment which I think sums it up "To cisgender people it may seem like being a certain gender doesn't have a feel to it - and yes, it's a lot like breathing in that sense I guess. Being able to breathe does not make you happy, but not being able to is suffocating."

Being a man or a woman is something which is hard to quantify, but it can not be a way of acting, of appearing or even genetics as they vary wildly from person to person of either sex. It must then be something other than that, an identity. I don't think I could define it better than "an adult male" or "an adult female", and leave it to the individual to understand to which they honestly belong. Gender roles I must leave to society.

*Edit: Also, I'm really thankful that there are people on TeamLiquid who can make these points so well that I find myself in this position at all. The level of thought which goes in to discussions from other users is something which I really love about TL when it happens.

Hmm. Would you agree with the statement that gender roles are a purely social construct while gender is something innate to an individual? (Both of these, of course, being divorced from sex, which is biological/genetic.) If so, that's an interesting perspective. I've heard others express the opinion that gender is something we as a society enforce on eachother, but your perspective seems quite different given how unequivocally you identify as a woman.


I think I'd be more or less ok with that description yes, except I'd say I think gender roles are almost entirely a social construct as opposed to purely. I don't think I'd have any basis to say there was definately no hormonal or other biological basis to any aspect of gender roles.
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AllSalesFinal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States211 Posts
April 07 2012 18:37 GMT
#45
Good read, one of the better blogs I've seen lately, now to just re-teach myself to say herb instead of erb TT.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
April 08 2012 05:56 GMT
#46
I used to say HERB. But everyone my entire childhood corrected me, and told be it's ERB. Now if you say HERB everyone thinks you're an idiot! It turns out that everyone else is an idiot?
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