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Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
March 27 2012 18:43 GMT
#1
So I finally made it to 1000 posts, with a little help from my indignation at the end of a recent computer game. Been here over a year and since arbitrary milestone posts are kind of a tradition, here's mine! It's honestly amazing I made it this far as I have some rather polarising viewpoints at times and I've had to work hard and moderating my own posts before hitting submit, something I'd urge all new users to do. It's not impossible to get across what you want to say without being unkind to others, sometimes it just takes a little thought.

First, because my forum history is mostly from the point of view of an SC2 fan, I wanted to say thank you to the Brood War community. I don't interact with you guys as much since I'm not really in to the scene but it's clear that without you TL wouldn't be what it is today, so thanks for helping to make the most awesome community on the Internet for people like me to stumble on later. I know there are posters that cause BW/SC2 issues, mostly in my experience from more inconsiderate SC2 posters, so I just wanted to let you know you're appreciated and I really hope BW can become whatever it needs to for you guys to keep getting the enjoyment from what is still an amazing game. ♥

Second I need to thank the staff of TL. I don't have such a big block of text to write, but the site literally wouldn't be what it is without you all and I love the articles, interviews, photobombs, portals and features that are always being added. The moderation is my favourite on any forum I've ever been on, strict but it keeps the atmosphere and quality decent. I'm sure someone is going to accuse me of sucking up as a result of that last sentence, but I think it's important to say it anyway, so .

Also a thank you to Liquid Sheth for being awesome. If you ever see this you were my favourite player while even in FXO and when you moved to Liquid (my favourite team) it was absolutely awesome. Your stream is great and you're still my favourite player and I'm always cheering for you. Also thanks to TLO for inspirational Zerg play, but please lose the beard soon!!! Finally to the rest of Team Liquid players, you guys all seem really cool - GL HF!

Finally a quick shout out to the guys from the Gay Starcraft Players thread/IRC for being lots of fun.

Oh one final thing, people who pronounce "herb" as "erb" need to stop it. I know that's kinda out of no where but if I'm writing a blog today, which I obviously am, it needs to be added. We don't have 'erbivores', 'orticulture', 'is and ers' or 'earts' and we don't great each other with 'I'. Just because some words use the h as silent, doesn't mean it's not a real letter and can be ignored in words at random. Herbs.

Ok so with that out of the way, I decided I'd tell people a little bit more about myself for this milestone but honestly there's not that much particularly interesting about myself and so I decided instead I'd focus on the one part of myself that is known by a few people, but which a lot of people are fairly uninformed on and see if I could maybe help inform people, or answer any questions that people might have (more on this later). So yeah, in short my real name is Chloe and I'm a 24 year old trans woman - or to be less subtle my outward biological traits were male at the time of my birth. From this point on will be nothing but trans stuff, so if you're not interested in that I'd suggest skipping this.

I've read a hell of a lot of comments both inside and outside of the SC2 community on the subject of trans people and I already did a lecture post a long while ago, so I figured I'd try to explain some stuff that people may wonder about, but I can obviously only do so through my own perspective and experiences. I've actually discussed some of this stuff already in PM's with people and generally it's the same kind of questions so I'm hoping that if I answer some of them more publicly it might help. I also appreciate I might get some crap for posting this, and I have considered all the repercussions I could think of and I don't think I really need to worry about any. No one I know in real life could stumble upon this post and not already know (I make a point of it) and I've never uploaded a photo anywhere, opened a Facebook etc or posted real personal details for a malicious passer by to dig up.

The most common question I see asked is the most obvious one, why would someone want to change their gender? The problem is that with regards to trans people it doesn't actually make sense as a question. I never wanted to change. my gender identity has always been female. I didn't choose to be a woman, and my life would have been much easier (and cheaper!) had I been a man but I wasn't. That leaves me in a position where I essentially have a full body birth defect which I need to try to treat. I didn't choose to change who I was, I chose to change my body to conform with it. The idea of someone just deciding they want to be the opposite gender is as alien to me as it is to most of you. It is, in my opinion and experience thus far, impossible to change who you are but it's not impossible to change your physical appearance.

As an interesting aside, I actually would have needed hormone treatment either way, because my Testosterone levels were below the absolute minimum for any male of any age.

"Well you'll never be a real woman". I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've seen that written about trans women. I'd love to know exactly what defines a 'real' woman. Does she have to conform to how you think she should look? Does her medical history have to include or exclude certain points? May she not act in her own interests, or how she chooses? Does she have to be able to get pregnant? Maybe she can't be born with certain physical aspects to her? Maybe she needs to be defined purely by her natural, expected reproductive abilities according to her genes (aka, purely defined as a sex object)? Trying to define us like that you end up with a very small sub section of society which excludes a lot of people who were born completely female, and what about when science catches up and none of that is even relevant? Are trans women still not 'real'? It's a reactionary view point which tries to define what men and women may be and what we may not, or based purely on what people are comfortable with. A woman is an adult female (as defined by our core gender identity, in our minds not between our legs), regardless of anyone's opinion of how she looks.

The second most common question I get asked in real life when I talk to people about it for the first time, tends to be "are you gay?" which I should add I've never been able to answer without them having to think about what they just asked, lol. The answer for me personally is that I'm a straight woman (though I tend to just say "I'm straight" to see the persons mind work it out, always gets me a cheap laugh) but the question goes deeper than that, I think. It's a confusion of gender and sexual orientation in some cases I believe. But as per the original point, I could no more decide to be a gay man than I could decide to be a lesbian. Would a straight woman be happy as a gay man or would she still be the same person without really being able to express who she was in a relationship? Unfortunately we don't get choices on this things. I should add, I know a lot of trans people, some are gay/lesbian, others are bi and some are straight. Gay people aren't necessarily transsexuals, and neither are trans people necessarily gay.

Another very common question is when did I know, and that's kinda difficult to narrow down with the advantage of hindsight unfortunately. I don't conform to beliefs that boys and girls have to act in any specific way, but I was definitely girly when I was younger (being girly in itself means nothing at all though) and there were several points where I could say "here"...maybe. First, when I was in first school and we were doing a "who am I" type thing, the room was split in to boys and girls, and I refused to sit on the boy's side. Eventually agreed to sit between the two groups, with the boys, but I don't remember the incident clearly enough to tell you my motivations at like 6. There were other points I could mention, but to skip to the end, I knew without question at 12/13. There was no instant "oh" moment, but by that age I realised the consequences of what was happening.

Hmmm...I think that's actually about it for questions I usually get asked or issues I see on the Internet honestly. I'm not actually going to post anything about surgical options for fear of scaring everyone and for the fact that I still need to pull £14k out of no where before I have any first hand experience on it. Not going to be the easiest of tasks as an unemployed trans person with no real qualifications in anything. If any of the financial genius type people on TL have any ideas, I'd appreciate them. I suppose if anyone really wanted to hear my thoughts on the current state of the options I could add a spoilered bit later. Anyway, I'm heading drastically off topic now so yeah...

Now I've gotten here I'm not really sure how to end this post. If anyone has any further questions, comments or just wants to disagree with me in a constructive/polite manner that's fine I guess. Since I'm trying to make this post an open and helpful thing, I promise not to take offence at any serious questions people may have. I love the TL community, Starcraft and the ABL so keep being awesome and once again for making this the best site on the Internet.

****
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
March 27 2012 18:54 GMT
#2
I say erb.
I also say erbivores.
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RedTail
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States104 Posts
March 27 2012 19:24 GMT
#3
Gratz on your 1000th.

A question I've been wondering and it's probably different for each person, but do you date much? When do you tell the person you're dating that you are trans?
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
March 27 2012 19:28 GMT
#4
Tyvm for posting this, nice to hear from an experiend person

We know nothing.
dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
March 27 2012 19:49 GMT
#5
On March 28 2012 03:54 Chargelot wrote:
I say erb.
I also say erbivores.


Likewise! What's up with that?
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 20:10:13
March 27 2012 20:09 GMT
#6
On March 28 2012 04:24 RedTail wrote:
Gratz on your 1000th.

A question I've been wondering and it's probably different for each person, but do you date much? When do you tell the person you're dating that you are trans?


Thank you. It is definitely different for everyone, but for me I don't date much. I've honestly only really dated one guy and that lasted just over a year, but ultimately he had to move away and we're still friends. I'm also really quite shy in real life too, which doesn't help. But as to telling potential partners, I do it long before dating becomes an issue which isn't that common so I'll explain more.

I use a rule that the first time I'm giving out my phone number, email address or home address for the purposes of being friends with someone, before I give them it I'll tell them I'm trans. It'd be better to live in a world where I didn't have to even think about it of course, but I don't want people to somehow discover it later behind my back, or to become friends with someone only to later find out they actually wouldn't like me if they knew more about me. Both can be avoided if I just tell people before becoming real friends.

It might sound a bit strange to view it as something that needs to shared, but I find that most people don't actually care, or just have a couple of questions out of curiousity so it's worked well so far. Also means I get to skip the whole "when to bring it up" thing that comes with dating.

Every trans person I know (male or female) would always tell someone before becoming intimate with them, most before agreeing to anything more than a meal together if they think it's going somewhere. I actually don't know anyone in real life who uses my "out yourself to all friends" approach because for the most part we'd all rather just blend in and be invisible, just like everyone else. I just view it as making sure I don't emotionally invest myself with people who'd ultimately be an issue.

On March 28 2012 04:49 dGHaiL wrote:
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On March 28 2012 03:54 Chargelot wrote:
I say erb.
I also say erbivores.


Likewise! What's up with that?


I should add, I don't actually know if I'm correct on this issue. I was brought up with it as "herb" and then one day everyone started correcting it to "erb". It doesn't make sense, so even if I'm somehow wrong on the correct pronounciation, the correct pronounciation is wrong. Given how strange it'd seem for that one word, so similar to others, to randomly be missing a letter I think it's a myth gone wrong.

On March 28 2012 04:28 Amestir wrote:
Tyvm for posting this, nice to hear from an experiend person


Thanks for your post.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 27 2012 20:36 GMT
#7
I'm glad you made this blog and that you felt safe making it here.
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noobcakes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
March 27 2012 23:22 GMT
#8
Have you ever felt you wish you lost your memory of your gender before?
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
March 27 2012 23:26 GMT
#9
In 'Artford, 'Averford and 'Ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly Hever 'appen.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 28 2012 00:17 GMT
#10
Finally a quick shout out to the guys from the Gay Starcraft Players thread/IRC for being lots of fun.

Hi Iyerbeth!
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
March 28 2012 00:20 GMT
#11
congrats :D It's a long journey eh
Life's good :D
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 04:32:54
March 28 2012 04:21 GMT
#12
On March 28 2012 03:43 Iyerbeth wrote:Oh one final thing, people who pronounce "herb" as "erb" need to stop it.

Yes! This one million times over! I love you.

"Erb" is not correct, it is an Americanization. They have taken an English word and pronounced it incorrectly for so long that the mispronunciation has become the norm.


Other similar instances which annoy me:

Buoy
Aluminium (my web browser's spell checker even says this is spelled incorrectly...)
Data
Oregano
Basil
Vase
Leisure
Zebra
Schedule
Route


Also, good job on being so comfortable and open about who you are. You have my respect



On March 28 2012 08:26 Haemonculus wrote:
In 'Artford, 'Averford and 'Ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly Hever 'appen.

I see what you did there, 'Aemonculus.
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 04:52:37
March 28 2012 04:50 GMT
#13
On March 28 2012 13:21 Tektos wrote:
Buoy
Aluminium (my web browser's spell checker even says this is spelled incorrectly...)
Data
Oregano
Basil
Vase
Leisure
Zebra
Schedule
Route


Boy
Al oo min ee um
Day ta
Uh reg uh no
Bay zil
Vayze
Lee sure
Zee bra
Sked jewel
Root
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-28 11:17:52
March 28 2012 11:17 GMT
#14

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 08:26 Haemonculus wrote:
In 'Artford, 'Averford and 'Ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly Hever 'appen.

I see what you did there, 'Aemonculus.

Ooahh gooannnn!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 28 2012 11:18 GMT
#15
Grats on 1000 :D Glad I read this after that miss universe thread. I'm trans as well so those threads are always so depressing ;_; I'm glad you're open and willing to educate people on this site, maybe those types of threads can be more positive instead of the shitfest they end up being if some of the ignorance is lifted.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
March 28 2012 11:58 GMT
#16
Thank you to everyone who posted!

On March 28 2012 13:21 Tektos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 03:43 Iyerbeth wrote:
Oh one final thing, people who pronounce "herb" as "erb" need to stop it.

Yes! This one million times over! I love you.

"Erb" is not correct, it is an Americanization. They have taken an English word and pronounced it incorrectly for so long that the mispronunciation has become the norm.


Awesome, I was sure it was wrong and it's been bugging me a lot lately. Thank you! :D

On March 28 2012 08:22 noobcakes wrote:
Have you ever felt you wish you lost your memory of your gender before?


I have yes, but I'm not sure I would if I were given the choice. If it were entirely replaced with memories and experiences that would be gender appropriate and conform to who I am, then almost certainly, yes. That sounds a bit intellectually dishonest to myself, but I'd still take the opportunity. If they were just gone and I only existed as myself (in terms of gender) after 18 then no. I still like who I am, and the insight I gained in to men was at least really helpful so it depends on exactly waht I'd be left with. But to simply answer the question, yes I've defiantely considered what it'd be like, but mostly with a wish that things could have been different.

On March 28 2012 20:18 Dark.Carnival wrote:
Grats on 1000 :D Glad I read this after that miss universe thread. I'm trans as well so those threads are always so depressing ;_; I'm glad you're open and willing to educate people on this site, maybe those types of threads can be more positive instead of the shitfest they end up being if some of the ignorance is lifted.


Thank you, on both counts. I have to admit I just decided not to read through that particular thread once I realised what it was about because I worried about what the content of the replies would be.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 01 2012 18:23 GMT
#17
grats on 1k
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#18
I pronounce it "urbs"
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
April 03 2012 17:13 GMT
#19
On April 02 2012 07:30 ninazerg wrote:
I pronounce it "urbs"

herbs vs. 'erbs
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 19:35:37
April 03 2012 19:22 GMT
#20
lyerbeth,

Reading this was really inspiring. One of my very close family members(not going to say how related due to privacy issues relating to employer) is transgender, and has not yet made the transition. She(I use "she" because she identifies as female) is currently in a position where her admittance or revelation of transgender sentiments would get her immediately fired(read:discharged). She also must stay at her job for another year, despite being a veteran. By now, you can probably guess who her employer is.

It's been a long and difficult journey for her. Ever since she was seven, she identified as female, but her parents tried to suppress it and did not listen to their family doctor's advice on transitions. In order to relieve the pressure she felt, she cut herself and inflicted pain. And then she made the decision, on last time, to enroll in a college. The college that trained "employees" for her future "employer". She had the appearance of a very fit man after four years went by and she graduated, but still identified as female.

In a year, she can leave her job. She'll then make the transition, and hopefully live her life the way she always wanted to live it.

Thank you for your story, lyerbeth.

Also: congrats on 1K, nice to see I'm not the only one on TL with a lurker icon.

Edit: While I am only a freshman in highschool, I can perhaps help a bit with the financial aspect. In the case of my relative, she attended a college that paid her, and saved almost all of it except on her boss computer and games. She will also be getting money from her parents, who have done a 180 on their opinion of transgender people. When I found out about it about five months ago, I also did a 180. Funny how fate works. Anyways, she is getting a lot of money from her family, have you tried your own?
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