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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
On February 11 2012 14:10 L_Master wrote: I literally cannot relate to this whatsoever. I cannot understand what causes this level of frustration at all. What race do you play? | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
1. One or two base all-in. 2. Be offensive. Playing defensive vs warpgate attacks is suicidal because there's no defender's advantage. 3. Play MMMGV like MVP/MKP/Bomber and win by vastly outmicroing your opponent. 4. Double Ebay and try to outmacro the Protoss to 3/3. 5. Try Sky Terran. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
I play a little of all three in BW, though I main Protoss. Though perhaps I should rephrase; sometimes I do get frustrated (though minor), but it is always at myself for the mistakes I made in my play. I'm just now learning some SC2 as well, and playing P due to racial loyalties. I guess for me what happens is that whenever I lose I just think "oh here's how I fucked up" or "I shouldn't have let him do that" etc. For instance if I am playing PvZ and die to a hydra bust I am annoyed at myself for not being more diligent with my scouting and making a better effort to figure out what Z was up to. Or if I am playing TvP and lose to a DT drop I am displeased with my play because I didn't place turrets properly, failed to be watching and ready to react, microed poorly, etc. The only times I have ever been remotely on tilt are when I have a particular thing I want to practice and fail to focus. For instance, if I want to be diligent with my scouting and that is my project for that game, I can get pretty pissed at myself if I fail to be diligent in scouting and let other things distract me. I can't, and don't, understand getting annoyed at the other player, or the other players race. There are always mistakes I made that resulted in my loss. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
Toss did the same with 4Gate, and can do the same with their horrendous range of all-ins (blink stalker, 3Gate DT, 3Gate VR, Sentry-heavy 4Gate, 3Gate Immortal, delayed 4Gate Immortal...), you can have clean conscience. | ||
Poopi
France13023 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:10 Kukaracha wrote: If you can't win just 1/1/1 every match and troll your way up the ladder. Toss did the same with 4Gate, and can do the same with their horrendous range of all-ins (blink stalker, 3Gate DT, 3Gate VR, Sentry-heavy 4Gate, 3Gate Immortal, delayed 4Gate Immortal...), you can have clean conscience. You won't win with 1-1-1 against decent protoss most of the times. Just go 1 rax FE and force him to make mistaked | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
On February 11 2012 16:56 L_Master wrote: I play a little of all three in BW, though I main Protoss. Though perhaps I should rephrase; sometimes I do get frustrated (though minor), but it is always at myself for the mistakes I made in my play. I'm just now learning some SC2 as well, and playing P due to racial loyalties. I guess for me what happens is that whenever I lose I just think "oh here's how I fucked up" or "I shouldn't have let him do that" etc. For instance if I am playing PvZ and die to a hydra bust I am annoyed at myself for not being more diligent with my scouting and making a better effort to figure out what Z was up to. Or if I am playing TvP and lose to a DT drop I am displeased with my play because I didn't place turrets properly, failed to be watching and ready to react, microed poorly, etc. The only times I have ever been remotely on tilt are when I have a particular thing I want to practice and fail to focus. For instance, if I want to be diligent with my scouting and that is my project for that game, I can get pretty pissed at myself if I fail to be diligent in scouting and let other things distract me. I can't, and don't, understand getting annoyed at the other player, or the other players race. There are always mistakes I made that resulted in my loss. That's understandable, I would be much happier if I played Protoss too. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On February 11 2012 11:42 Rice wrote: Imagine if game designers balanced around people being terrible instead of people actually playing the game properly, I hate all these fucking whine posts. If you want a terrible game balanced around bad players instead of good players, go play league of legends. I played BW more seriously than I do SC2. I fully understand how difficulties are disparate at different levels. I don't understand where you're coming from. Did you even read the first part of the post you quoted? | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
I'm a scrub and don't play these days (but here are just a few of my opinions) 1. When they scout you, fake a gas -> kill scout with marine and cancel and build CC in main (if you can't chase them away before completion -> just let it complete and don't mine from it // if they think you are going to 1/1/1 and manner gas -> say thanks 2. 1/1/1 is pretty solid but I also found that different timing of a 1/1/1 style rush to work too, FE -> 5+ tanks/marines wit stim only/3banshees/1 medivac [forgot what exact buildings I made but that's just the idea of it I'm sure you can optimize it better] the general idea is you hit at a weird timing and throw them off guard relatively early. 3. If you wanna all in, last time I played I tried Thor cheese and it worked with the current style of 3 gate+robo, hits early and if you have superior micro you should be able to take it 4. Another solid cheese -> marines are pretty OP early game IMHO, make your wall -> add raxes I think it was 4 total rax [not sure] close to the edge of your main -> lift and go to lower ground for shorter distances and just move out with scvs+marines [make sure you have money for bunkers] 5. CC in base -> add raxes -> up +1/stim fast and shells while moving out - while u float your CC to your nat -> 1 rauder for 4 marines [micro wars!] or just forget the +1 attack and just go with fast stim and shells while moving out 6. Not really a strat but worth mentioning -> fool the toss thinking u going 1/1/1 and build a secret expo and planetary it up and while getting 1-2 tanks + 1 medivac + marines only -> they will catch u [especially after u not moving out] and they have to decide if they want to: a) try to deny your planetary -> let them take it and drop his main [timing is crucial] b) try to kill your main -> just hold with everything you got [your tanks on high ground should help], if you do succeed your mid game is hugely advantageous c) they take their own base -> in that case just take another expo | ||
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/841/howtowintvp.png) (ie : that you need twice the apm in order to beat upgraded zealot / archons / ht / stalkers) you will be able to play calmly and beat these evil protoss ! Just play calmly a game as clean as possible and you'll find a way to win consistently in TvP. Don't overcommit, pay attention to his composition, macro properly (you are moving out to apply pressure / secure your third? don't forget to power up raxes at this moment they will be ready when you'll mule your third), and try to engage as cleanly and properly as possible, be sure to have a factory / scan ahead before engaging, have mmmball / ghosts / vikings in separate groups. And more importantly don't let your anger control you : ![[image loading]](http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3122/tlowiseman.png) It's TLO if you didn't know, and this advice is valuable in every match-up for every race =D edit : oh and think positively, if you win don't think that you won because your opponent played terribly bad, think that you won because YOU played good enough to beat him (and if you think that you have to play 5 times better or whatever enjoy the fact that you seemingly played that better), if you lose because of a stupid mistake after a very good play, don't think that his race or whatever can make more mistakes, just take this as an experience, you won't make that mistake again therefore you have improved. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:34 Netsky wrote: That's understandable, I would be much happier if I played Protoss too. I think you missed the overall point. I also think you missed the part where I said I play a fair amount of BW TvP. | ||
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