EPTEdit: Also, bunkers are really good. Take a really greedy 3rd CC i.e. right when your 2nd CC is done and compensate for it with bunkers. FYI I am a terran player and I do believe late game TvP is imbalanced for Protoss, I have to admit that early to late game is tipped in favor of Terran.
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AegonC
United States260 Posts
Edit: Also, bunkers are really good. Take a really greedy 3rd CC i.e. right when your 2nd CC is done and compensate for it with bunkers. FYI I am a terran player and I do believe late game TvP is imbalanced for Protoss, I have to admit that early to late game is tipped in favor of Terran. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Unless I go older demuslim/forgg style and spam out like four or five rax as soon as I put my CC down, you just immediately die. Even if you don't immediately die, there's a good chance you will once he reinforces with a couple rounds with that pylon just outside your nat. It's pretty ridiculous. I'm not being as extreme as the cyclone guy. I do think the game is imbalanced, but I don't think it's that extreme. In any case, I know the game can't be imbalanced at my level. You can still significantly outplay opponents at any level of play outside of the pro level. The bottom line is...I fucking hate TvP. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On February 11 2012 09:43 dAPhREAk wrote: a terran complaining about one base protosses. makes me smile. maybe you should call 9-1-1-1. Choked on my water after that one | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On February 11 2012 09:35 Cyclone999 wrote: I was just about to post this blog, honestly, I go to blog section, and you're here. Thank you. Protoss is gay as hell and they take absolutely no skill to play. In TvP, Terran wins only if Protoss sucks. If Protoss and Terran are equal in skill, Protoss will always win. I don't understand why Protoss can use force fields, delay the 10-15 minute timing you're suppose to hit, and then they get their third BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DENY IT and then late game, it's just gay. As such, this post is related to the opening post and it does relate. Even though it is a balance whine (not really, it's the truth) it's just stupid. Protoss in PvT is so unbelievably easy, there's a reason why it was my best matchup when I use to play Protoss back at diamond. It's because I didn't even need APM, all I needed to do was survive with force fields, and spam make colossus/archon/zealot and then a-move. You don't even need 3/3 to win as Protoss, as 0/0 Protoss is just about the same as 2/2 Terran. I quit Protoss because it was too easy to win, and too boring to play. I have no idea why Protoss don't get bored of doing the exact same thing every matchup and winning all of them. Thanks for the laugh. | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On February 11 2012 09:43 dAPhREAk wrote: a terran complaining about one base protosses. makes me smile. maybe you should call 9-1-1-1. gg wp | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On February 11 2012 09:43 dAPhREAk wrote: a terran complaining about one base protosses. makes me smile. maybe you should call 9-1-1-1. LOL genius I'm not gonna insult anyone or nothing but I do think Terran would have to never win a game for like 4 months before they got their right to complain back. You know, that whole 2011 thing. | ||
micronesia
United States24756 Posts
I'm all for a crazy rant... but it's still surprises me how far people take it without showing signs of recognizing how ridiculous they are being. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Optometrist
Canada14 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
What if small times Terran have a hard time with Protoss since their race stopped being OP? Just get used to playing on the same level as everyone else and it'll be fine. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
I also hate anything that immediately loses you the game if you mess up once. On February 11 2012 09:54 micronesia wrote: By the time you have over 5000 posts on TL (or better yet, by the time you are born) don't you have a mental filter that will realize this OP is probably being ridiculous? I'm all for a crazy rant... but it's still surprises me how far people take it without showing signs of recognizing how ridiculous they are being. I haven't made any balance whines in any of my posts. I've only talked about how frustrating and difficult the matchup is for me and me only. Everything I've said is purely from my own perspective. I'm on a huge losing streak, and even after watching hours of Terran streams, I can't seem to get a handle on what to do. Sure, I'm being ridiculous, but this is a blog, not a post in general. I've been here long enough to know that this kind of a shit fit will draw negative attention, but when I was posting it, I literally immediately went from one monitor to the other and posted this. That's how on tilt I was. | ||
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Cyclone999
Canada331 Posts
I'm not gonna insult anyone or nothing but I do think Terran would have to never win a game for like 4 months before they got their right to complain back. You know, that whole 2011 thing. Terran QQ. We have to figure it out ourselves. Protoss QQ. Blizzard helps them. That's why every unit for Terran is utilized and Protoss doesn't need to use half of their units to win. AOE is so useful, and PvT is so easy, up to masters. Protoss QQ wasn't even justified, "lol infestors counter deathball, blizzard plz nerf infestors" -.- Sure, the numbers might favor Terran, but being MVP is much harder than being MC. Thanks for the laugh. You're welcome. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
I've been seeing a buttload of 3 gate robo openings. This is particularly confusing to me as I know that this opening can lead directly to an expansion, but can also be an all-in. 9/10 times I see this, it ends up being an all-in with like two-three immortals. Then the gasless expand ends up being kind of null. Noooo it cant. If he doesnt go 15 nex, 1 gate expand, or maybe at the latest 2gate robo and expand while his first robo unit (observer) is building, then he is completely all in and will get rolled over by your economy unless he does significant damage to you. Gasless expand is the best way to hold such an all in - you have to commit to an opening relatively blind, and if he handles the game correctly he can come out ahead vs 2rax or any one base opening (aside from 3-1-1 which is complicated), but gasless expand vs immortal bust at the highest level of play will favor the terran. It is not possible to break a terran who plays perfectly with gasless expand using an immortal bust, otherwise the opening would simply not be used. You are doing something wrong. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:21 Cyro wrote: Noooo it cant. If he doesnt go 15 nex, 1 gate expand, or maybe at the latest 2gate robo and expand while his first robo unit (observer) is building, then he is completely all in and will get rolled over by your economy unless he does significant damage to you. Gasless expand is the best way to hold such an all in - you have to do it relatively blind, and if he handles the game correctly he can come out ahead vs 2rax or any one base opening, but gasless expand vs immortal bust at the highest level of play will favor the terran. It is not possible to break a terran who plays perfectly with gasless expand using an immortal bust, otherwise the opening would simply not be used. You are doing something wrong. Yea, 3 gate robo is pretty much a terribly slow expand if not used right away in an all in by 9:30 latest. | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:05 Optometrist wrote: dude you have to chill out man, obviously its not nearly as bad as you think it it, just look at the pro statistics, now obviously you're not the same as lets say PuMa or MMA, but clearly there are things you can do that can improve your performance in the matchup. If you see they havent expanded and you're expansion is done already, you know they probably going to try to put on some hurt, so you prepare with bunkers (they're still pretty much free if they dont get killed). Plus clearly you're raging (not to be a bad thing) so you're thoughts are all bugged up, just take a break, and then think about things after you've calmed down. Also you should be able to start dropping WAY before HT tech is in play, if you see they are getting that fast of high templars, just go fucking kill him. YES YES YES!! This is exactly the mindset needed for improvement, if you get stuck on calling things OP/eZ it creates a mental block to your improvement--making yourself a helpless victim is most definitely the way you to go if you want to get stuck in an infinite loop of rage, disappointment, and frustration. There is nothing wrong with having opinions on balance or difficulty in the game, but if you let that get in the way of you improving, if you let that mentality plague you, this game won't be fun. Try to put emphasis on improving yourself, rather then analyzing if your opponent had an easier time then you, if he really "deserved" the win, or if the game in is imbalanced; you can always have fun in the process of self improvement, because in Starcraft the self improvement never stops. | ||
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eohs
United States677 Posts
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Cyclone999
Canada331 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:24 SeizeTheDay wrote: LOL SO FUNNY that people are bitching about pvt like anything changed.. your rauders / ghosts still rape us FIRST it was ZvP now its PvT... lol soon it will be ZvZ or something RELAX its a game and maybe YOU are the problem not the match up... Look, it's a Protoss player! goo goo gah gah? I heard Protoss players were babies, hence the QQ, so I figure I'd talk to you that way. Nothing's wrong with the matchup! You know, just that Protoss players only have half the APM, and their late-game is impossible to stop, their warp-in denies drops, their force fields stops early-game things... Like stated above, being MVP is harder than being MC. User was warned for this post | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:14 PH wrote: I refuse to 1-1-1. Even if it's been more or less figured out, it's just so...dirty... I also hate anything that immediately loses you the game if you mess up once. Both players always mess up in many ways throughout the game, the lower the skill the more errors. So there aren't really standard builds that qualify as "mess up once you auto lose" at lower levels, because the opponent will continue to make mistakes. 1-1-1 is a viable build, or two rax pressure expand is also nice for meeting early aggression with aggression of your own, and also punishing greedy builds. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:18 Cyclone999 wrote: Terran QQ. We have to figure it out ourselves. Protoss QQ. Blizzard helps them. That's why every unit for Terran is utilized and Protoss doesn't need to use half of their units to win. AOE is so useful, and PvT is so easy, up to masters. Protoss QQ wasn't even justified, "lol infestors counter deathball, blizzard plz nerf infestors" -.- Sure, the numbers might favor Terran, but being MVP is much harder than being MC. You're welcome. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SdGrv.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J6qFK.png) If terran had not been dominating so hard throughout the end of last year (GomTvTvTvT) your tears might have got sympathy from someone. The game is hard? Good. You have room to improve. Crying over it for 2 years isnt going to make you win any more, go improve. I would also like to add that the game below masters is quite frankly a joke and if you think balance has a major effect on your overall ranking before low to mid masters then you are flat out wrong. | ||
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