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It's borderline fucking impossible if you don't completely fuck them in the early game. If you open a bit riskily and tech quickly, then you get fucked by a dumb one-base 3gate immortal bust. If you spam rax after your CC and try to play safe, and they know how to use force fields above gold level, then you're behind on tech and upgrades...
The only P I've won against in the last month have been horribly bad. Any P that has any idea what they're doing just roflstomps me.
This matchup is so fucking frustrating. Drops? Oh...cannon and HT feedback. So much for that. God forbid Blizzard decided to make P a race that has to fucking micro in SC2 again. Oh wait...no...in BW they at least had dumb Dragoons and Shuttle/Reavers. Great job, Blizz. You made them even worse.
And what is it with the 3 gate robo one-base all-ins?? I have no idea how to hold that. It's a BO loss against 1 rax CC, and with decent FFs, it'll fuck even a 3 rax opening...
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Maybe don't play so greedy or get some ghosts.
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I don't know...I just don't know...
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If the Protoss is fast enough to Feedback your medivac before the units drops out then I would say that's pretty good micro.
You could try having a more positive mindset about the game, it might help.
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You are not going to progress anywhere if you look at things with that attitude, or hold so much rage towards one of the races in the game.
Remember that the vast vast majority of zerg and protoss players at the lower leagues (sub masters) think exactly the same way, but well, that is the reason they are still bad at the game.
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Why not switch to the "OPIMBA" race so u can fight on even ground?
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Why don't you play protoss and find out?
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Stop complaining. How do pros do it?
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I agree, switch to Toss and see how "easy" it is.
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Bomber and Puma have a 77 and 76% win rate against protoss respectively, why dont you go and watch a few hundred of their TvP games and see how they beat each individual strategy?
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mass marauder/ghost
or 1/1/1
hehehe
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Is protoss OP? No. Is PvT ridiculously easy compared to TvP? Yes
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switch races to terran and play vs protoss - you'll get a better idea of the match up then
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On February 11 2012 09:09 justjuice wrote:
Is protoss OP? No. Is PvT ridiculously easy compared to TvP? Yes
/thread
User was temp banned for this post.
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I think Terran should start thinking about mid game play and try to stop Protoss from reaching end game compositions. It's a well known fact maxed protoss army is stronger than terran because of archon/chargelot backed up by AOE. The solution in this kind of matchup in BW was to disrupt the other race from teching and ending the game before allowing them to reach the death composition.
In the case of TvP in SC2, as a protoss player I can tell you, in the mid game protoss is incredibly vulnerable to drops and tech sniping, or snipe some gateways then do a timing. Basically protoss lategame is based around reaching HT/mass upgrade tech and the amount of gateways you have to ensure instant reinforcements. You need to strike before that happens, and stop protoss from getting key tech.
Protoss will most likely try to turtle on 3 bases while teching and protecting themselves from drops, because 4 base will stretch him too thin. Another decent approach is, then, constantly denying the third. MMM is appropriate for both types of strategies.
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On February 11 2012 09:02 Artline wrote:
Stop complaining. How do pros do it?
This,
On February 11 2012 08:58 Mothra wrote:
Why don't you play protoss and find out?
and this.
I mean you've obviously tilting hard at the moment so you everything's going over your head, but if you are completely serious, then look no further^
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Clearly the matchup is reasonable at levels above me. I'm not pro. I'm allowing myself to rant after losing the last eight of ten TvPs I've gotten.
On February 11 2012 09:09 justjuice wrote:
Is protoss OP? No. Is PvT ridiculously easy compared to TvP? Yes
That's a pretty good way to put it. -_-
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On February 11 2012 09:19 mordk wrote:
I think Terran should start thinking about mid game play and try to stop Protoss from reaching end game compositions. It's a well known fact maxed protoss army is stronger than terran because of archon/chargelot backed up by AOE. The solution in this kind of matchup in BW was to disrupt the other race from teching and ending the game before allowing them to reach the death composition.
In the case of TvP in SC2, as a protoss player I can tell you, in the mid game protoss is incredibly vulnerable to drops and tech sniping, or snipe some gateways then do a timing. Basically protoss lategame is based around reaching HT/mass upgrade tech and the amount of gateways you have to ensure instant reinforcements. You need to strike before that happens, and stop protoss from getting key tech.
Protoss will most likely try to turtle on 3 bases while teching and protecting themselves from drops, because 4 base will stretch him too thin. Another decent approach is, then, constantly denying the third. MMM is appropriate for both types of strategies.
Thanks. That actually helped quite a bit.
I'm having a hard time taking advantage of early mid-game timings. More than half the games I've played lately have been one-base all-ins, so I've been playing cautiously.
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On February 11 2012 09:09 justjuice wrote:
Is protoss OP? No. Is PvT ridiculously easy compared to TvP? Yes
So I guess that's + Show Spoiler +one part of BW Blizzard didn't change in SC2 
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I was just about to post this blog, honestly, I go to blog section, and you're here.
Thank you.
Protoss is gay as hell and they take absolutely no skill to play. In TvP, Terran wins only if Protoss sucks. If Protoss and Terran are equal in skill, Protoss will always win. I don't understand why Protoss can use force fields, delay the 10-15 minute timing you're suppose to hit, and then they get their third BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DENY IT and then late game, it's just gay.
As such, this post is related to the opening post and it does relate. Even though it is a balance whine (not really, it's the truth) it's just stupid.
Protoss in PvT is so unbelievably easy, there's a reason why it was my best matchup when I use to play Protoss back at diamond. It's because I didn't even need APM, all I needed to do was survive with force fields, and spam make colossus/archon/zealot and then a-move. You don't even need 3/3 to win as Protoss, as 0/0 Protoss is just about the same as 2/2 Terran. I quit Protoss because it was too easy to win, and too boring to play.
I have no idea why Protoss don't get bored of doing the exact same thing every matchup and winning all of them.
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