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Zerg mathematically proven to be 32 times as hard - Page 5

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Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 00:09:47
January 23 2012 00:08 GMT
#81
this is stupid. it depends a lot on other factors, to determinate how hard is to play a race.
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
January 23 2012 00:42 GMT
#82
thank you for yoru conturbution what wuould TL b withotu blogs like these
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Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 23 2012 00:51 GMT
#83
On January 23 2012 09:08 Sum41 wrote:
this is stupid. it depends a lot on other factors, to determinate how hard is to play a race.


I can hardly take this seriously because of your handle. You cant just arrive at a sum of 41 with no other varaibles... I dont think its fair to criticize the math of others if yours is faulty.
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Shiawase
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom30 Posts
January 23 2012 00:55 GMT
#84
i feel stupid for reading past the first line
"zerg must have detection because the queen is shooting [the mothership]" - mrbitter
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
January 23 2012 01:31 GMT
#85
Lmao, this is so good. Great blog.
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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
January 23 2012 01:33 GMT
#86
It physically hurts me that people are taking this seriously and getting upset.
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
January 23 2012 02:26 GMT
#87
Made for a good laugh after a rough day, especially the edit about the critic lol, hilarious. You should make threads like these more often
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jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
January 23 2012 02:43 GMT
#88
All I got from this is that Zerg shouldn't spawn 2 Zerglings/Egg to make them more balanced.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 03:09:56
January 23 2012 03:08 GMT
#89
To make worker:

Protoss:
  • Hotkey for building
  • E

Terran:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • Mule -> E

Zerg:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • D (can hold button down)

Zerg has three strokes while the other races have two. That's a 3 : 2 ratio in terms of keystrokes required. However when does Zerg make only a single Drone? Early game? Early game players have all the time in the world for extra keystrokes. Later in the game batches of Drones are made, still requiring only three keystrokes. Other races however must continually spend a keystroke for their hotkey and one keystroke for each individual worker. Also Terrans continually make Mules.

chaosfreak11
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore367 Posts
January 23 2012 03:23 GMT
#90
This is why ordinary people like me don't play zerg
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
January 23 2012 03:29 GMT
#91
On January 23 2012 09:51 Rinny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 09:08 Sum41 wrote:
this is stupid. it depends a lot on other factors, to determinate how hard is to play a race.


I can hardly take this seriously because of your handle. You cant just arrive at a sum of 41 with no other varaibles... I dont think its fair to criticize the math of others if yours is faulty.

Hey, man Sum41 is an emo band.
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Fallians
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 04:00:37
January 23 2012 03:59 GMT
#92
Hey, man Sum41 is an emo band.


Dude Sum41 rocks! They're not emo at all, more so punk if anything
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 23 2012 04:14 GMT
#93
Guys you can't dispute math. My hat is off to you Rinny.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
January 23 2012 05:32 GMT
#94
On January 23 2012 12:08 CecilSunkure wrote:
To make worker:

Protoss:
  • Hotkey for building
  • E

Terran:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • Mule -> E

Zerg:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • D (can hold button down)

Zerg has three strokes while the other races have two. That's a 3 : 2 ratio in terms of keystrokes required. However when does Zerg make only a single Drone? Early game? Early game players have all the time in the world for extra keystrokes. Later in the game batches of Drones are made, still requiring only three keystrokes. Other races however must continually spend a keystroke for their hotkey and one keystroke for each individual worker. Also Terrans continually make Mules.


Additionally a zerg could always box the larva, thus removing a keystroke.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 23 2012 12:11 GMT
#95
On January 23 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I found and fixed the flaw!
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:
To make a worker0
Terran: press s
Protoss: press e
Zerg: press s, and d

Zerg has double the presses, Zerg is twice as hard

3 minute mark
Terran: 1 base
Protoss: 1 base
Zerg: 2 base

Zerg gets twice as many bases. Zerg is twice as easy

Spending 50 minerals

**Redacted, this overlaps with the next one**

Zealot vs Zergling

1 Zealot = 4 zerglings

Zerg gets 4 times more units. Zerg is 4 times as easy.

Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 / [3 minute mark] 2 / [zealot v ling] 4 = [Total] 1/4

Q.E.D Zerg is 4 times as easy to play as the other two races

in depth mathematical analysis


You non-Zergs that want to balance whine can start appreciating the joke any second now

This is COMPLETE NONSENSE!! I am truly amazed how someone can be so incredibly STUPID as to suggest that a HIGHLY SIMPLIFIED approach like this can be even remotely related to reality!! Apart from the OBVIOUS DISAGREEMENT with CONFIRMED SCIENCE (Rinnys theorem stating zerg 32 times as hard), the result is also HIGHLY NON-INTUITIVE and even without a single calculation, can be IMMEDIATELY REFUTED!!! People like you have NO PLACE IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY of teamliquid. Please take some time and reconsider this ABOMINATION of a calculation. Try to OPEN YOUR MIND so that you can RECOGNISE TRUE SCIENCE, INDEPENDENT OF ANY PERSONAL BIAS (like for example Rinnys theorem).
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
January 23 2012 13:31 GMT
#96
According to this mathematic formula, bw is 384 x harder than SC2. Am i doing it right ?
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 23 2012 13:47 GMT
#97
On January 23 2012 22:31 Ricjames wrote:
According to this mathematic formula, bw is 384 x harder than SC2. Am i doing it right ?

Not bad, but you need more equations, and a link for reference.
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 14:13:17
January 23 2012 14:13 GMT
#98
Ohhh so this is why theres so many zergs on ladder. People love a challenge I guess
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
January 23 2012 15:06 GMT
#99
On January 23 2012 04:17 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:38 Cascade wrote:
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


If you think you see a flaw in the proof, please point it out and we can discuss it together. The mathematics are pretty involved, so it is important we make the proof transparent for as many as possible to spot subtle flaws.


I'm not saying there is a flaw. I'm saying it's really stupid and random. Nothing to discuss, really.


Welcome to Blogs hope you enjoy if not you can just go back to the ever so serious SC2 Strategies.
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
January 23 2012 15:35 GMT
#100
I'm a scientist and the logic here is entirely sound. Zerg imba for getting to be way harder, I hope Blizzard make Terran and Protoss harder soon!
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