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Zerg mathematically proven to be 32 times as hard

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Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 19:23:01
January 22 2012 17:42 GMT
#1
To make a worker0
Terran: press s
Protoss: press e
Zerg: press s, and d

Zerg has double the presses, Zerg is twice as hard

3 minute mark
Terran: 1 base
Protoss: 1 base
Zerg: 2 base

Zerg has twice as many bases. Zerg is twice as hard

Spending 50 minerals

Terran: 1 unit
Protoss: 1/2 a unit
Zerg: 2 UNITS!

Zerg has double the units, has to do double the micro... Zerg is twice as hard

Zealot vs Zergling

1 Zealot = 4 zerglings

Zerg has to have 4 times more units. Zerg is 4 times as hard.

Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 = [Total] 32

Q.E.D Zerg is 32 times as hard to play as the other two races

References
In depth analysis of math used to come to this conclusion

One time critics who have been convinced through the rigorous science of this formula

On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



Later

On January 23 2012 04:17 Harrad wrote:


I'm not saying there is a flaw



***
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 17:46:13
January 22 2012 17:44 GMT
#2
5/5

This is an excellent blog. (I get that this is a joke blog, but joke blogs should be funny...1/5)
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Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
January 22 2012 17:45 GMT
#3
Excellent blog. Keep posting more of these
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Bengui
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada775 Posts
January 22 2012 17:48 GMT
#4
Great analysis.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 22 2012 17:48 GMT
#5
So funny.
I'm amazed.
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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 17:48:57
January 22 2012 17:48 GMT
#6
Haha i was ready for a flamefest but this is a fun blog XD. I could imagine interview with David Kim on why the recent Zerg buff "Well you see we came across a startling discovery that Zerg is 32x harder to play!" How did you come up with that number? "Undisclosed research information back in the SC2 labs"
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mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
January 22 2012 17:49 GMT
#7
lol, this is funny
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Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
January 22 2012 17:52 GMT
#8
Is that why I keep losing to that mid-masters friend of mine who's playing protoss ? I knew it !
It ain't over till it's over
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
January 22 2012 17:54 GMT
#9
This is an amazing piece of analysis.
Seeker *
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Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
January 22 2012 17:54 GMT
#10
hmmm

All I can say is.... clever Oo....
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
January 22 2012 17:54 GMT
#11
hahahahahha XD
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
January 22 2012 17:55 GMT
#12
whahahahahah. lol xD

5/5 Now I know why I suck as Zerg.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 22 2012 17:57 GMT
#13
Solid proof. Rinny's Theorem will for sure be referred to plenty in the scientific ESPORTS community.
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 22 2012 18:00 GMT
#14
I think it would be cool if they used this to adjust the outcome of the games.a T or a P would have to 32 times the econ of the Z in order to win. If a blizzard rep wants to pm me we can work on integrating it into the client .
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
Back
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada505 Posts
January 22 2012 18:08 GMT
#15
Has David Kim been made aware of this?
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 18:12:32
January 22 2012 18:09 GMT
#16
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?

Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#17
Dude, it's a joke blog. Don't be silly :p
I always knew I could be a code S player if I was protoss.
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Fallians
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada242 Posts
January 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#18
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



Aww did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning?

Really funny blog, I now understand why I'm so bad at zerg :3
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 22 2012 18:28 GMT
#19
i can't believe blizzard hasn't found this out yet!!
alert the media quickly!!!!
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 18:31:31
January 22 2012 18:31 GMT
#20
On January 23 2012 03:16 Fallians wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



Aww did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning?

Really funny blog, I now understand why I'm so bad at zerg :3


Hell no. It's stupid. We're not 3 year-olds. It's a stupid blog trying to be funny.

You could say that the milk for my cornflakes basically consists of piss, because I'd call a stupid blog stupid anytime.


Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
January 22 2012 18:31 GMT
#21
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



wow someone needs a hug. 5/5 funny blog
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#22
lol kinda funy but ridiculously useless
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 22 2012 18:38 GMT
#23
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


If you think you see a flaw in the proof, please point it out and we can discuss it together. The mathematics are pretty involved, so it is important we make the proof transparent for as many as possible to spot subtle flaws.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
January 22 2012 18:43 GMT
#24
Solid research :D
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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
January 22 2012 18:43 GMT
#25
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


The competition also has a "best reply to a joke" competition, you should sign up I reckon you have a chance to win
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
January 22 2012 18:43 GMT
#26
All those times I got into fist fights with zerg players....

I'm sorry, I can see it now.
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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
January 22 2012 18:44 GMT
#27
I laughed at the wikipedia article link as your reference.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
January 22 2012 18:46 GMT
#28
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



Nope but if there was one for most brainless/useless comment, congratulations, you won!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 22 2012 18:57 GMT
#29
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



hmm i think you math is faulty. you didn't account for the "5s" in 5s+r*32". what does the variable s stand for???
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
January 22 2012 19:01 GMT
#30
Is this the new math?
"See you space cowboy"
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
January 22 2012 19:03 GMT
#31
Make one about Terran being OP
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LeKiNGG
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada110 Posts
January 22 2012 19:11 GMT
#32
What the hell did I just read­. 5/5.
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Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
January 22 2012 19:17 GMT
#33
On January 23 2012 03:38 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


If you think you see a flaw in the proof, please point it out and we can discuss it together. The mathematics are pretty involved, so it is important we make the proof transparent for as many as possible to spot subtle flaws.


I'm not saying there is a flaw. I'm saying it's really stupid and random. Nothing to discuss, really.
Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
January 22 2012 19:23 GMT
#34
wtf is this. zerg is not twice as hard.
HuK Fighting~~!
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#35
On January 23 2012 04:23 Spray wrote:
wtf is this. zerg is not twice as hard.


right it is 32 times as hard
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
January 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#36
I approve of this blog. Zerg is 32 times as hard. It is known
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
January 22 2012 19:27 GMT
#37
Blizzard has to adress this in HotS.
aka Wardo
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2574 Posts
January 22 2012 19:27 GMT
#38
The reference had me giggling.
Wishing you well.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
January 22 2012 19:28 GMT
#39
I think there's a flaw in your math. Let's take the worst case scenario: you want to make eight zerglings to combat two zealots:

Zerg: 0sz9s*click*z is 7 clicks;
Protoss: 0z9z is 4

So your 2x factor may not be entirely applicable to all scenarios, and you may have to look at the overall formula based on the variations. Terran is even closer to Zerg here, too.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 22 2012 19:37 GMT
#40
On January 23 2012 04:17 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:38 Cascade wrote:
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


If you think you see a flaw in the proof, please point it out and we can discuss it together. The mathematics are pretty involved, so it is important we make the proof transparent for as many as possible to spot subtle flaws.


I'm not saying there is a flaw. I'm saying it's really stupid and random. Nothing to discuss, really.

So you agree that the proof is solid, good. We agree on the scientific merit of Rinny's proof. Indeed little to discuss.

But then I may not understand why you find it stupid. Surely you recognize that zerg being 32 times harder than the other two races is an important result. Imagine what this would imply for coming expansion to the Starcraft 2 series!

I can see how the start of the proof can seem a bit random, but in the end the pieces fit together beautifully. Truly an amazing proof, and if I may say so about hard science like this, a piece of Art. Maybe you did not grasp the last step? That would explain your sceptic standpoint. Try to read up a bit more on this link, and dont feel ashamed to ask questions if you don't understand.

best of luck.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
January 22 2012 19:41 GMT
#41
On January 23 2012 04:17 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:38 Cascade wrote:
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


If you think you see a flaw in the proof, please point it out and we can discuss it together. The mathematics are pretty involved, so it is important we make the proof transparent for as many as possible to spot subtle flaws.


I'm not saying there is a flaw. I'm saying it's really stupid and random. Nothing to discuss, really.


It's a joke, I recommend looking some comedians up, they might help you relax a bit.
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orangesunglasses
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States110 Posts
January 22 2012 19:43 GMT
#42
i got super excited since z is my main race. now im just sad
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TheLOLas
Profile Joined May 2011
United States646 Posts
January 22 2012 19:44 GMT
#43
I think it is a little ridiculous, but still funny. I'm not so sure its accurate
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 22 2012 19:57 GMT
#44
I thought Terran was only 30 times easier.
I'm glad you fixed that error.
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laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
January 22 2012 19:59 GMT
#45
Holy shit. New Meta-game.
I'm an old man now
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 20:07:29
January 22 2012 20:07 GMT
#46
I had to read the first post to realize that this was a joke thread More funny next time!!!
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 22 2012 20:12 GMT
#47
OMG, I'm quitting Zerg now!
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
January 22 2012 20:13 GMT
#48
I knew it! I knew that I was 32 times better than all my opponents ^_^
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
January 22 2012 20:15 GMT
#49
Amazing, I'm blown away by this.
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
January 22 2012 20:18 GMT
#50
stephen hawking obviously helped you with this calculation. very precise work. 5/5
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Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
January 22 2012 20:18 GMT
#51
Meh. The source cited was mildly amusing, I guess, but otherwise this fell pretty flat. Better luck next time.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 22 2012 20:19 GMT
#52
like hasuobs and incontrol said during a HSC: instead of wondering about stuff like this just play the damn game
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 22 2012 20:31 GMT
#53
Some of these actually are sensible, and could be used in a meaningful argument. More stuff -> more stuff to manage.
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Adastrom
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada219 Posts
January 22 2012 20:34 GMT
#54
This is pretty funny although it kinda pissed me off as the same time xD;;
Lol pvz
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
January 22 2012 20:42 GMT
#55
lololololololololol

On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


no but the concept of a joke seems beyond you.
Dodge arrows
pestilenz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Denmark379 Posts
January 22 2012 20:42 GMT
#56
Like someone else wrote I also were ready for a flame-war

But I get your point! That is the most idiot proof scientific proof I have ever seen. Do you have a degree? :O
You can attack with this?!
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
January 22 2012 20:56 GMT
#57
Math doesn't lie.
aka Wardo
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
January 22 2012 20:57 GMT
#58
You cannot disagree with this math. You just cannot. It's like trying to disprove 1 + 1 = 2.
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
January 22 2012 21:23 GMT
#59
Zerg so hard (

(great blog btw)
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BajaBlood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States205 Posts
January 22 2012 21:26 GMT
#60
The worst part of this for me was: I clicked on the link attached as proof, saw it was the Wikipedia page simply on multiplication, then scrolled down and realized I didn't understand everything that was in that article... Multiplication OP ;_;
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
January 22 2012 21:27 GMT
#61
Epic blog. You can't argue with math.
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
January 22 2012 21:30 GMT
#62
Irrefutable evidence at last! With this new found knowledge, I can even blame forgetting my password on imbalance!

Beaza
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany203 Posts
January 22 2012 21:33 GMT
#63
Theres indeed nothing incorrect here. Maybe you should have defined "hard" with another name though. People might confuse it with the real 'hard'. Also your calculation of "hard"-total is really interesting. I would have thought it might be a sum instead. Is your result still "hard" or is it "hard"^4? Wouldve been cool to have a definition of the multiplication of the "hard"-factors that appear in your formula for "hard"-total as it doesnt seem to be the typical "Product of measurements" that you also quoted in the wikipedia article.
Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
January 22 2012 21:37 GMT
#64
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



The one guy who just doesnt get it is always the best part of these type of posts...
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#65
On January 23 2012 06:37 Helios.Star wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?



The one guy who just doesnt get it is always the best part of these type of posts...


lol agreed :D
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Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
January 22 2012 21:41 GMT
#66
I was going to post something like "Holy shit this blog is so retarded blablabla", but then I read the whole post and had a good laugh.

Awesome blog, man, 5/5 :D
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UmbraaeternuS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile476 Posts
January 22 2012 21:45 GMT
#67
Interesting analysis. Now, there are other factors involving this. You're neglecting that in battle, Z doesn't have many special abilities in early units, whereas T or P have Stim, FFs, etc, etc, etc; thus making the management of the army a lot more complex.

Honestly, I don't know if OP was being serious when he posted this blog or he was just trying to be funny. If serious, the analysis is just straightforwardly simplistic and dumb, neglecting so many other factors.
If funny... Well, it just wasn't IMHO.
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Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
January 22 2012 21:59 GMT
#68
Well I switched to Zerg from Terran and I find it pretty herpderp.
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Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
January 22 2012 22:04 GMT
#69
On January 23 2012 06:45 UmbraaeternuS wrote:
Interesting analysis. Now, there are other factors involving this. You're neglecting that in battle, Z doesn't have many special abilities in early units, whereas T or P have Stim, FFs, etc, etc, etc; thus making the management of the army a lot more complex.

Honestly, I don't know if OP was being serious when he posted this blog or he was just trying to be funny. If serious, the analysis is just straightforwardly simplistic and dumb, neglecting so many other factors.
If funny... Well, it just wasn't IMHO.


Replies like yours make the OP very amusing.
serge
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Russian Federation142 Posts
January 22 2012 22:08 GMT
#70
I think OP neglected to mention that:
Protoss supply buildings are stationary and can't be interacted with.
Terran supply buildings can be lowered/raised, so there's some micro there. So we give them *2 weight.
Zerg supply buildings ARE FRIGGING UNITS THAT HAVE TO BE MICRO'D and also dropships. *3 weight.
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surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
January 22 2012 22:17 GMT
#71
Can't argue with multiplication.
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qwertzi
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
January 22 2012 22:29 GMT
#72
i thought zergs are just whining ... but you are definitely right... no point in arguing

well done 5/5
Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
January 22 2012 22:46 GMT
#73
32 times harder to play than what?
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Wik
Profile Joined July 2010
United States125 Posts
January 22 2012 22:48 GMT
#74
On January 23 2012 07:46 Flossy wrote:
32 times harder to play than what?


Playing Heavy on TF2.
Homo for Lomo
StiX
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands220 Posts
January 22 2012 23:18 GMT
#75
lol had to read it twice, was ready to QQ :D
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 23:30:59
January 22 2012 23:24 GMT
#76
I found and fixed the flaw!
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:
To make a worker0
Terran: press s
Protoss: press e
Zerg: press s, and d

Zerg has double the presses, Zerg is twice as hard

3 minute mark
Terran: 1 base
Protoss: 1 base
Zerg: 2 base

Zerg gets twice as many bases. Zerg is twice as easy

Spending 50 minerals

**Redacted, this overlaps with the next one**

Zealot vs Zergling

1 Zealot = 4 zerglings

Zerg gets 4 times more units. Zerg is 4 times as easy.

Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 / [3 minute mark] 2 / [zealot v ling] 4 = [Total] 1/4

Q.E.D Zerg is 4 times as easy to play as the other two races

in depth mathematical analysis


You non-Zergs that want to balance whine can start appreciating the joke any second now
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
January 22 2012 23:25 GMT
#77
this rocks. keep up the good work :D
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
January 22 2012 23:28 GMT
#78
On January 23 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I found and fixed the flaw!
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:
To make a worker0
Terran: press s
Protoss: press e
Zerg: press s, and d

Zerg has double the presses, Zerg is twice as hard

3 minute mark
Terran: 1 base
Protoss: 1 base
Zerg: 2 base

Zerg gets twice as many bases. Zerg is twice as easy

Spending 50 minerals

Terran: 1 unit
Protoss: 1/2 a unit
Zerg: 2 UNITS!

Zerg has double the units... Zerg is twice as easy

Zealot vs Zergling

1 Zealot = 4 zerglings

Zerg gets 4 times more units. Zerg is 4 times as easy.

Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 / [Spend 50] 2 / [3 minute mark] / 2 [zealot v ling] / 4 = [Total] 1/16

Q.E.D Zerg is 16 times as easy to play as the other two races


You non-Zergs that want to balance whine can start appreciating the joke any second now



You forgot to use in depth mathematical analysis.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 22 2012 23:30 GMT
#79
On January 23 2012 08:28 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I found and fixed the flaw!
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:
To make a worker0
Terran: press s
Protoss: press e
Zerg: press s, and d

Zerg has double the presses, Zerg is twice as hard

3 minute mark
Terran: 1 base
Protoss: 1 base
Zerg: 2 base

Zerg gets twice as many bases. Zerg is twice as easy

Spending 50 minerals

Terran: 1 unit
Protoss: 1/2 a unit
Zerg: 2 UNITS!

Zerg has double the units... Zerg is twice as easy

Zealot vs Zergling

1 Zealot = 4 zerglings

Zerg gets 4 times more units. Zerg is 4 times as easy.

Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 / [Spend 50] 2 / [3 minute mark] / 2 [zealot v ling] / 4 = [Total] 1/16

Q.E.D Zerg is 16 times as easy to play as the other two races


You non-Zergs that want to balance whine can start appreciating the joke any second now



You forgot to use .
in depth mathematical analysis
OH NO!
I'll edit that in, can't go using bad formulae.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
PenguinWithNuke
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
250 Posts
January 22 2012 23:48 GMT
#80
holy shit this is funny. 5/5.

Don't know why people are taking this so seriously...
Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 00:09:47
January 23 2012 00:08 GMT
#81
this is stupid. it depends a lot on other factors, to determinate how hard is to play a race.
Hydralisk so fasts and dangerous :D
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 23 2012 00:42 GMT
#82
thank you for yoru conturbution what wuould TL b withotu blogs like these
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Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
January 23 2012 00:51 GMT
#83
On January 23 2012 09:08 Sum41 wrote:
this is stupid. it depends a lot on other factors, to determinate how hard is to play a race.


I can hardly take this seriously because of your handle. You cant just arrive at a sum of 41 with no other varaibles... I dont think its fair to criticize the math of others if yours is faulty.
Where my swarm at? Ye Yeee
Shiawase
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom30 Posts
January 23 2012 00:55 GMT
#84
i feel stupid for reading past the first line
"zerg must have detection because the queen is shooting [the mothership]" - mrbitter
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
January 23 2012 01:31 GMT
#85
Lmao, this is so good. Great blog.
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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
January 23 2012 01:33 GMT
#86
It physically hurts me that people are taking this seriously and getting upset.
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
January 23 2012 02:26 GMT
#87
Made for a good laugh after a rough day, especially the edit about the critic lol, hilarious. You should make threads like these more often
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jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
January 23 2012 02:43 GMT
#88
All I got from this is that Zerg shouldn't spawn 2 Zerglings/Egg to make them more balanced.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 03:09:56
January 23 2012 03:08 GMT
#89
To make worker:

Protoss:
  • Hotkey for building
  • E

Terran:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • Mule -> E

Zerg:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • D (can hold button down)

Zerg has three strokes while the other races have two. That's a 3 : 2 ratio in terms of keystrokes required. However when does Zerg make only a single Drone? Early game? Early game players have all the time in the world for extra keystrokes. Later in the game batches of Drones are made, still requiring only three keystrokes. Other races however must continually spend a keystroke for their hotkey and one keystroke for each individual worker. Also Terrans continually make Mules.

chaosfreak11
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore367 Posts
January 23 2012 03:23 GMT
#90
This is why ordinary people like me don't play zerg
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
January 23 2012 03:29 GMT
#91
On January 23 2012 09:51 Rinny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 09:08 Sum41 wrote:
this is stupid. it depends a lot on other factors, to determinate how hard is to play a race.


I can hardly take this seriously because of your handle. You cant just arrive at a sum of 41 with no other varaibles... I dont think its fair to criticize the math of others if yours is faulty.

Hey, man Sum41 is an emo band.
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Fallians
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 04:00:37
January 23 2012 03:59 GMT
#92
Hey, man Sum41 is an emo band.


Dude Sum41 rocks! They're not emo at all, more so punk if anything
If you attack before 15minutes.. It's cheese....
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 23 2012 04:14 GMT
#93
Guys you can't dispute math. My hat is off to you Rinny.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
January 23 2012 05:32 GMT
#94
On January 23 2012 12:08 CecilSunkure wrote:
To make worker:

Protoss:
  • Hotkey for building
  • E

Terran:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • Mule -> E

Zerg:
  • Hotkey for building
  • S
  • D (can hold button down)

Zerg has three strokes while the other races have two. That's a 3 : 2 ratio in terms of keystrokes required. However when does Zerg make only a single Drone? Early game? Early game players have all the time in the world for extra keystrokes. Later in the game batches of Drones are made, still requiring only three keystrokes. Other races however must continually spend a keystroke for their hotkey and one keystroke for each individual worker. Also Terrans continually make Mules.


Additionally a zerg could always box the larva, thus removing a keystroke.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 23 2012 12:11 GMT
#95
On January 23 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I found and fixed the flaw!
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:
To make a worker0
Terran: press s
Protoss: press e
Zerg: press s, and d

Zerg has double the presses, Zerg is twice as hard

3 minute mark
Terran: 1 base
Protoss: 1 base
Zerg: 2 base

Zerg gets twice as many bases. Zerg is twice as easy

Spending 50 minerals

**Redacted, this overlaps with the next one**

Zealot vs Zergling

1 Zealot = 4 zerglings

Zerg gets 4 times more units. Zerg is 4 times as easy.

Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 / [3 minute mark] 2 / [zealot v ling] 4 = [Total] 1/4

Q.E.D Zerg is 4 times as easy to play as the other two races

in depth mathematical analysis


You non-Zergs that want to balance whine can start appreciating the joke any second now

This is COMPLETE NONSENSE!! I am truly amazed how someone can be so incredibly STUPID as to suggest that a HIGHLY SIMPLIFIED approach like this can be even remotely related to reality!! Apart from the OBVIOUS DISAGREEMENT with CONFIRMED SCIENCE (Rinnys theorem stating zerg 32 times as hard), the result is also HIGHLY NON-INTUITIVE and even without a single calculation, can be IMMEDIATELY REFUTED!!! People like you have NO PLACE IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY of teamliquid. Please take some time and reconsider this ABOMINATION of a calculation. Try to OPEN YOUR MIND so that you can RECOGNISE TRUE SCIENCE, INDEPENDENT OF ANY PERSONAL BIAS (like for example Rinnys theorem).
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
January 23 2012 13:31 GMT
#96
According to this mathematic formula, bw is 384 x harder than SC2. Am i doing it right ?
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 23 2012 13:47 GMT
#97
On January 23 2012 22:31 Ricjames wrote:
According to this mathematic formula, bw is 384 x harder than SC2. Am i doing it right ?

Not bad, but you need more equations, and a link for reference.
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 14:13:17
January 23 2012 14:13 GMT
#98
Ohhh so this is why theres so many zergs on ladder. People love a challenge I guess
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
January 23 2012 15:06 GMT
#99
On January 23 2012 04:17 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 03:38 Cascade wrote:
On January 23 2012 03:09 Harrad wrote:
On January 23 2012 02:42 Rinny wrote:


Final Formula

[Make worker] 2 * [Spend 50] 2 * [3 minute mark] * 2 [zealot v ling] * 4 [spam roach off 3 base + macro hatch for teh win (5s + r * 32)] : 32 = [Total] 0


LOLOL ZERG TAKES ZERO SKILL MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN AM I DOING IT RIGHT?

...is there some competition for the most brainless/useless blog of the month going on im not aware of?


If you think you see a flaw in the proof, please point it out and we can discuss it together. The mathematics are pretty involved, so it is important we make the proof transparent for as many as possible to spot subtle flaws.


I'm not saying there is a flaw. I'm saying it's really stupid and random. Nothing to discuss, really.


Welcome to Blogs hope you enjoy if not you can just go back to the ever so serious SC2 Strategies.
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UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
January 23 2012 15:35 GMT
#100
I'm a scientist and the logic here is entirely sound. Zerg imba for getting to be way harder, I hope Blizzard make Terran and Protoss harder soon!
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 23 2012 15:46 GMT
#101
That's some pretty intense math right there.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 23 2012 15:59 GMT
#102
The end-all to racial imbalance rants?
(I play Protoss, ha!)

5/5
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serge
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Russian Federation142 Posts
January 24 2012 18:28 GMT
#103
On January 23 2012 23:13 Masq wrote:
Ohhh so this is why theres so many zergs on ladder. People love a challenge I guess

Masq, you should've quit when you fell off the radar. I would've had more respect for you.

So I ask you: Are you dense? Zerg is MATHEMATICALLY proven to be the hardest race.
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