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The secret history of Kim Jong Il

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Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
December 20 2011 22:55 GMT
#1
Here is a lengthy article about the life of Kim Jong Il, and some of the past events in North Korea, written by one of Kim Jong Il's private tutors:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/08/12/the_secret_history_of_kim_jong_il?hidecomments=yes&page=full

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shurgen
Profile Joined October 2009
350 Posts
December 20 2011 23:08 GMT
#2
Wow.This was a crazy read. Thanks for posting this, will definitely be something I share with my friends.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
December 20 2011 23:26 GMT
#3
This looks promising. Going to read it after dinner.
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KNICK
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Germany248 Posts
December 20 2011 23:41 GMT
#4
Extremely interesting read, thanks for sharing!
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
December 20 2011 23:50 GMT
#5
very sad + Show Spoiler +
especially the part about killing his entire family
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 20 2011 23:51 GMT
#6
very interesting read, nothign particularly new but it's a very nice point of view.
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 00:59:51
December 20 2011 23:55 GMT
#7
That was quite long, and very intriguing. What a life that teacher had, the journey he made from war after war, literally and figuratively. I can't even imagine how many philosophical questions would he have to ask himself everyday and then not go insane. Having to go through every bit of all that must've been...unbearable for anyone.


Also, how all the things he describes parallel to Orwell's book is impeccable.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 20 2011 23:59 GMT
#8
The first part of the article was incredibly touching and sad, can't imagine what that would be like at all.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
December 21 2011 00:03 GMT
#9
that was a great read, definitely worth the time.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
December 21 2011 00:09 GMT
#10
That is fascinating. Thanks for the link!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany103 Posts
December 21 2011 00:10 GMT
#11
fascinating from beginning to end. Thanks alot Cloud.
HardMacro
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada361 Posts
December 21 2011 00:16 GMT
#12
Thank you for the link, absolutely fascinating read!
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
December 21 2011 00:17 GMT
#13
Great read, thanks for the link.
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
December 21 2011 00:18 GMT
#14
This is a really good read, but it's really sad and a bit scary

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especially the part where they sent away short people on boats to die so they wouldn't spread their "substandard genes" fucking evil
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
December 21 2011 00:27 GMT
#15
Very good read. Great find
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Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 21 2011 00:50 GMT
#16
Great read. Its so dark jeesh
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
December 21 2011 00:56 GMT
#17
Illuminating, but it made me sad :/
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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
December 21 2011 01:03 GMT
#18
Foreign Policy is a great website. I highly recommend it for people who care about learning about what's going on the world.
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optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
December 21 2011 01:09 GMT
#19
can someone explain the defect part, i dont understand how he became a traitor just by talking to his sister.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
December 21 2011 01:12 GMT
#20
On December 21 2011 10:09 optical630 wrote:
can someone explain the defect part, i dont understand how he became a traitor just by talking to his sister.

He left NK and the guy who set him up with his sister was an agent for NK. The agent told him to go back and the teacher said no, so they killed his family. He became a traitor because they didn't want him to talk about things like this and because he left.
Dr. Von Derful
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States363 Posts
December 21 2011 01:17 GMT
#21
amazing read, very touching and thought provoking
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
December 21 2011 01:17 GMT
#22
On December 21 2011 10:12 Chocolate wrote:
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On December 21 2011 10:09 optical630 wrote:
can someone explain the defect part, i dont understand how he became a traitor just by talking to his sister.

He left NK and the guy who set him up with his sister was an agent for NK. The agent told him to go back and the teacher said no, so they killed his family. He became a traitor because they didn't want him to talk about things like this and because he left.


His sister defected by leaving the country - from the party's point of view, having contact with another traitor automatically puts your status as a traitor too.
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
December 21 2011 01:19 GMT
#23
ah thanks you two
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 01:35:32
December 21 2011 01:23 GMT
#24
Not yet done reading but
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Edit: Man, what a great but depressing read .
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juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
December 21 2011 01:41 GMT
#25
This is such a sad story but very informational and touching. I really felt bad for his family since he knew he couldn't go back and their blood was indirectly on his hands. I never really read to much into how Kim Jong Il grew up but this was a great realization how north korea raises their people and how a dictator was formed.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10155 Posts
December 21 2011 02:16 GMT
#26
thats so sad how he was a nice kid just trying to learn russian and then turns into what most people view him and north korea today as
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
December 21 2011 02:31 GMT
#27
Thanks for linking the article. It provided tons of insight into that deceased madman. I wonder though, why and when did that monster change, because it seemed to be fairly quick and drastic.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 02:34:27
December 21 2011 02:33 GMT
#28
wow, amazing read.... thanks

On December 21 2011 10:23 NicksonReyes wrote:
Not yet done reading but
[image loading]

Edit: Man, what a great but depressing read .


Read further and it gets even more depressing
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peeeky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada631 Posts
December 21 2011 03:08 GMT
#29
Very insightful and quite an emotional tale. After visiting South Korea this summer, the conflict that exits between the two is truly interesting.
frozenclaw
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada409 Posts
December 21 2011 03:09 GMT
#30
Amazing read, just saw a national geographic on north korea. Moving stuff
zickoray
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
December 21 2011 03:16 GMT
#31
i feel very much for this teacher, the stress and grief he must feel is just extraordinary. reading this made me very sad because if you think about it this is happening all around the world albeit on a much smaller scale, it just flabbergast me to see the evil of the world. i would give up my freedom that which i have enjoyed very much to a person in that country so they could experience the world for themselfs and see that there is so much more to aspire for. i hope to see that country's evils catch back up with it in my lifetime
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 21 2011 03:34 GMT
#32
KIM MIN CHUL.. NEO.G_SOULKEY?! lol

jk

thanks for posting though :D:D reading now.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
December 21 2011 04:04 GMT
#33
ffffff at chinese internet censorship, this is taking so much getting used to, I wish i could read it ><
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
December 21 2011 04:08 GMT
#34
On December 21 2011 13:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
ffffff at chinese internet censorship, this is taking so much getting used to, I wish i could read it ><


You probably shouldn't say that...
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States263 Posts
December 21 2011 04:19 GMT
#35
Thank you for referring me to quite the excellent read.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
December 21 2011 04:21 GMT
#36
author might have just set this guy's death sentence

My friend, who still lives in North Korea, will spend the rest of his days tormented with guilt. At the same time, he did not forget to beg me over and over that this incident was a state secret and that I was not to tell a soul, not even my wife. I kept his secret for some 16 years. There seems little point now in protecting a party, a government, and a leader that failed to do the same for its people.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 04:59:50
December 21 2011 04:59 GMT
#37
On December 21 2011 13:08 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
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On December 21 2011 13:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
ffffff at chinese internet censorship, this is taking so much getting used to, I wish i could read it ><


You probably shouldn't say that...


Meh i'm an australian citizen, they would be fairly limited in what they could do to me :D
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
December 21 2011 05:11 GMT
#38
On December 21 2011 13:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
ffffff at chinese internet censorship, this is taking so much getting used to, I wish i could read it ><


I can read it though... Try and try again?

OP, thanks for sharing, this is quite an insightful read, and the personal tragedy makes me wonder how much more such vile things happened under the Kims, and more importantly now, in the future.

Also, Wikipedia's "Personality" section for KJI is quite lol.
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PenguinWithNuke
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
250 Posts
December 21 2011 05:19 GMT
#39
KJI was one crazy motherfucker. It's interesting to read this after reading about all the propaganda from his cult of personality.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
December 21 2011 05:34 GMT
#40
On December 21 2011 14:11 Mobius_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 13:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
ffffff at chinese internet censorship, this is taking so much getting used to, I wish i could read it ><


I can read it though... Try and try again?


Ahh it finally loaded, is it normal for you to be able to access stuff just by trying again and again? I'm kinda new at dealing with the firewall :D
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
December 21 2011 06:38 GMT
#41
On December 21 2011 14:34 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 14:11 Mobius_1 wrote:
On December 21 2011 13:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
ffffff at chinese internet censorship, this is taking so much getting used to, I wish i could read it ><


I can read it though... Try and try again?


Ahh it finally loaded, is it normal for you to be able to access stuff just by trying again and again? I'm kinda new at dealing with the firewall :D


This isn't the firewall blocking it, it's just China having slow connection to websites abroad. If it's a firewalled site your browser should returns a 101 error.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 07:36:54
December 21 2011 07:18 GMT
#42
On December 21 2011 15:38 Mobius_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 14:34 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On December 21 2011 14:11 Mobius_1 wrote:
On December 21 2011 13:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
ffffff at chinese internet censorship, this is taking so much getting used to, I wish i could read it ><


I can read it though... Try and try again?


Ahh it finally loaded, is it normal for you to be able to access stuff just by trying again and again? I'm kinda new at dealing with the firewall :D


This isn't the firewall blocking it, it's just China having slow connection to websites abroad. If it's a firewalled site your browser should returns a 101 error.


oh >< it didn't load in 15 mins the first 2 times I tried and constantly failed to load for the next hour or so, so i assumed it was just blocked.

edit: further investigation suggests i also don't get meaningful error message (possibly due to being on a company laptop that only has a really old version of ie)
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dongmydrum
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States139 Posts
December 21 2011 09:07 GMT
#43
very good read. Its funny how everybody was surprised at how normal he seemed when SK's president visited him in Pyungyang and see him talk for the first time.
Skipper240
Profile Joined August 2010
140 Posts
December 21 2011 13:25 GMT
#44
Nice read.

Living under a totalitarian regime requires a daily suspension of disbelief. Nowhere is that more true today than in North Korea, where otherwise ethical people contort themselves into untenable moral positions because they've bought into the oft-repeated notion that their country is "Paradise on Earth." Simply to survive in North Korea, citizens must believe they are living in a chosen land. And when ideological indoctrination morphs into reality, the dictator need not even be nearby to spread fear. Not if average people will do his bidding for him.


I found this part to be particularly chilling. We all know that this is happening, but to hear about it from a first hand source just makes it that much scarier.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
December 21 2011 14:14 GMT
#45
Wow, thanks for sharing. Depressing but illuminating.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 17:22:17
December 21 2011 14:49 GMT
#46
Incredibly interesting story. I think a lot of people underestimate the effects of long-term propaganda as the whole "paradise on earth" thing sounds eerily like a cult. It's no wonder that people are crying hysterically over Kim Jong Il's death, the North Korean regime is a religion to many of these people.
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Akamu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States309 Posts
December 21 2011 14:58 GMT
#47
Very very interesting read to say the least. It's really sad what's going on up there and I hope shit doesn't hit the fan anytime soon. I know i'll definitely be following any NK events more closely now. But on a side note it appears the article was published in Sept 2008. Kinda surprising it just popped up on TL now i guess.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
December 21 2011 15:12 GMT
#48
TYVM for this, amazing article. Fkd up shit.
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Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
December 21 2011 17:54 GMT
#49
This is an incredible article, thanks so much for sharing.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 21 2011 18:30 GMT
#50
nice read
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 21 2011 19:54 GMT
#51
Wow, didn't expect such an interesting read. Thanks for finding this.
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