EPTI'm sure you don't expect professionals to be super-humans, and I don't expect them to be little kids with no experience. Try to understand that he was left out in the fucking cold whereas pretty much every professional athlete has someone there for him/her to support when these things happen. Recognize that fact at least.
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
I'm sure you don't expect professionals to be super-humans, and I don't expect them to be little kids with no experience. Try to understand that he was left out in the fucking cold whereas pretty much every professional athlete has someone there for him/her to support when these things happen. Recognize that fact at least. | ||
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applejuice
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asic
Denmark18 Posts
he could've just done a two-base all-in, or four-gated, or executed one of many other strategies that would've almost certainly ended the game in ten minutes or less Yes lets all watch a soulless match where Naniwa all-in's after 7min.. T.T OP has a very corporate mindset and only wish the show to be played regardless of how pointless it may be. Let Naniwa proberush all he wants, if he qualify for something he should be allowed to do anything that the ingame gameplay allows him to, as long as it does not involve cheating. So what's my point? Naniwa has done nothing wrong, he played the game and lost. He didnt satisfy those fans that wanted to see a pointless match, big fucking deal. Only his team should punish him if they felt he went against the team policy about exposure and such. | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
There should be a disclaimer at the bottom of the paying subscriber agreement stating that the actions of their players don't reflect the standpoint of GOM simply because it's a competition, not a theater; everything is and will be possible, including shitty games. | ||
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vilehelm
10 Posts
Yes lets all watch a soulless match where Naniwa all-in's after 7min.. T.T OP has a very corporate mindset and only wish the show to be played regardless of how pointless it may be. Let Naniwa proberush all he wants, if he qualify for something he should be allowed to do anything that the ingame gameplay allows him to, as long as it does not involve cheating. So what's my point? Naniwa has done nothing wrong, he played the game and lost. He didnt satisfy those fans that wanted to see a pointless match, big fucking deal. Only his team should punish him if they felt he went against the team policy about exposure and such. I disagree on that last point. Imagine any sponsor CMO logging in to see this. "This is what I'm paying for?" sponsorship money dries up and so long GOM. In fact, I can imagine a scenario where right after that match Mr. Chae gets a call from Pepsi / Coke / whoever and gets an ear full. GOM isn't in a position yet where sponsors are bidding heavily for the right to have their name on the marquee. It seems a little over the top but I have to agree with their actions, and good post by Alex. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
Basically the real controversy this Naniwa situation brings to light is how much the business people who actually control the scene should humor the naive masses. They are the customers so the answer is a lot, but where exactly is the line drawn. | ||
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StarcraftKevin
United States285 Posts
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elanoism
Bulgaria5 Posts
I disagree on that last point. Imagine any sponsor CMO logging in to see this. "This is what I'm paying for?" sponsorship money dries up and so long GOM. In fact, I can imagine a scenario where right after that match Mr. Chae gets a call from Pepsi / Coke / whoever and gets an ear full. GOM isn't in a position yet where sponsors are bidding heavily for the right to have their name on the marquee. This is really funny! I understand some big time C(O/E)O talking about sponsors and stuff, but this is just ridiculous. Do you really think anyone from Pepsi give a thing about what is actually happening during the games. If we have the best ever GSL final, do you think they would know about it? Yes, may be they would know that the game was watched 7.32% more than the average final and they would be happy about it, but it will be always 7.32% for them, not a flock of mutalisks, giant deathball, perfect macro or а ... probe rush. The matter of fact is that it was never talked more about Naniwa himself, his team, or sponsors. Ever. The whole purpose of any sports game is to determine who is the best. "playing to win" is the whole point of sports. The reason they exist. There isn't a sport in the world, that is not played for a win. The ability to objectively calculate a score and declare a winner is the definition for a "sport". Nobody in his right mind can remove any player's right to play for a win (in this context the "win" is the first place in the tournament). Especially and the least - tournament organisers. I understand showmatches and games designed for fun, but they are not an esport and have no place between actual tournament. The only possible fix to this thing ever happening again, is for GOM and all tournament organisers to make better tournaments that do not form around meaningless matches. No player would ever play such a game on 100 percent. No fan (or i guess most of them) wants to watch a game of 10% naniwa, and 40% nestea, This is what will actually hurt viewers numbers, which in turn will hurt sponsors, teams, etc ... | ||
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Crisco
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Joseki
United States200 Posts
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EsX_Raptor
United States2801 Posts
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Mietiex
Netherlands31 Posts
On December 18 2011 05:50 elanoism wrote: This is really funny! I understand some big time C(O/E)O talking about sponsors and stuff, but this is just ridiculous. Do you really think anyone from Pepsi give a thing about what is actually happening during the games. If we have the best ever GSL final, do you think they would know about it? Yes, may be they would know that the game was watched 7.32% more than the average final and they would be happy about it, but it will be always 7.32% for them, not a flock of mutalisks, giant deathball, perfect macro or а ... probe rush. The matter of fact is that it was never talked more about Naniwa himself, his team, or sponsors. Ever. The whole purpose of any sports game is to determine who is the best. "playing to win" is the whole point of sports. The reason they exist. There isn't a sport in the world, that is not played for a win. The ability to objectively calculate a score and declare a winner is the definition for a "sport". Nobody in his right mind can remove any player's right to play for a win (in this context the "win" is the first place in the tournament). Especially and the least - tournament organisers. I understand showmatches and games designed for fun, but they are not an esport and have no place between actual tournament. The only possible fix to this thing ever happening again, is for GOM and all tournament organisers to make better tournaments that do not form around meaningless matches. No player would ever play such a game on 100 percent. No fan (or i guess most of them) wants to watch a game of 10% naniwa, and 40% nestea, This is what will actually hurt viewers numbers, which in turn will hurt sponsors, teams, etc ... So True. What I think EGalex is misunderstanding is that we, the fans, want to watch every match. When I'm watching GSL I want to watch the games that matter. After seeing a lot of games, I'd much rather see Naniwa throw a meaningless game, than two players dukin' it out for Jack Shit. I guess it's different for some people, but EGalex should stop assuming what people think. He should stick to managing players and leave his opinion with his wife. I think it's very unprofessional, but never had EG in high regards anyway. TL FTW! | ||
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MrF
United States320 Posts
That is not the definition of "sport" and the whole propose of a sports game is not to determine who is the best, id say that the main propose of a sports game is fun or entertainment, would you like to watch a contest to see who is the best at say speed reading im sure you could find a way to objectively calculate a score and determine who is the best but who cares it would be boring as fuck, the point is entertainment, that's why people are watching, determining who is the best adds to the the entertainment value but its not the be all end all definition, and if you think a probe rush is entertaining because its a huge joke that's cool for you but most people who put time and money into making something entertaining for the fans are not looking for it to be made into a joke. I don't know if the punishment was just or not and that wasn't the point of the OP but i don't think a probe rush in a game with thousands of viewers between two high profile players was a good plan. That being said i totally understand why he did it and i might have done the same thing myself as i am a very sore looser as well, but i am trying to be objective here. edit; while you are mostly correct in saying the definition of a sport is to determine a winner id say an equally important part is to have a good and entertaining match regardless of winner. | ||
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ShootingStars
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
I guess the best thing to do in this situation, if you really are mentally drained and emotionally sorrowed, is to four gate and then complain to GOM about the format later. Right now I just hope that people (pro players and spectators alike) have been educated, and we can move on and stop discussing (lambasting?) Naniwa so much. | ||
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th2pun1sh3r
United States107 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:51 EGalex wrote: Please note the following before reading this commentary: ...... NaNi, you're an incredible player, with thousands upon thousands of fans who just want to see you play. Next time, play. Alex Garfield CEO, Evil Geniuses @ottersareneat on Twitter *For those of you eager to pull out the pitchforks, the IPL3/White-Ra situation is quite different; at the time of IdrA's match against White-Ra, IPL3 was already behind schedule, and didn't even have time to broadcast all of its remaining group play matches. I disagree with this guy. Some people just don't understand what its like to be in someone else's shoes... its easy to say "player X is killing Esports" when you are sitting in the comfort of your home eating popcorn and you feel entitled to watch a game on your seasonal gom pass. It's a completely different feeling when you're Naniwa... sitting in the booth- you just lost 0-3 after practicing really hard.. your mental state is completely destroyed.. you are upset.. pissed off...sad.. and you ask to forfeit a meaningless match because you just can't deal with the situation right now. Next thing you know they tell you that you can't forfeit and you must play.. fuck it - I would've probe rushed too. Sometimes people forget that the players are human- they are capable of making mistakes, getting angry/upset, and even playing poorly.I find some of the expectations absurd.. people are not robots and they don't have to deliver flawless games everytime. as tasteless once said " some people just don't know what its like to be human" | ||
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vilehelm
10 Posts
Do you really think anyone from Pepsi give a thing about what is actually happening during the games. If we have the best ever GSL final, do you think they would know about it? Yes, may be they would know that the game was watched 7.32% more than the average final and they would be happy about it, but it will be always 7.32% for them, not a flock of mutalisks, giant deathball, perfect macro or а ... probe rush. The matter of fact is that it was never talked more about Naniwa himself, his team, or sponsors. Ever. My example is a little severe, but yeah, marketing people (CMO = Chief Marketing Officer, not CEO) are very reactive with sponsorships. They do listen to the most ridiculous remarks and inane chatter out there. I work in advertising for a major NBA (USA pro basketball league) sponsor and if something happens it generally does make it to them because that's their job, to pay attention to everything that touches their brand. It's ESPECIALLY sensitive because they DON'T understand the game and all they really pay attention is chatter. They don't care about the game, they care about the griping and seeming lack of integrity. Sorry, didn't mean to set you off, just had an insight based on my own experience with sponsorships (albeit with way more dollars on the line). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Chicane_
Canada8 Posts
Although I don't like the fact that I paid to see awesome games and instead saw a probe rush, how can anyone really quantify the difference? | ||
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GosuNinja
United States127 Posts
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