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I am glad, theres people like Naniwa out there. I am not particularly a fan of him. But he undoubtedly has character and is a progamer who doesnt always try to be overly causious in his actions. he is clearly polarizing, which is something sc2 needs right now. even if you hate him, for what he does... at least you have a very strong oppionion about him.
If some people feel offended for what he does its mainly their problem, and why shouldnt they - taking away any gsl status would be the totally wrong consequence tho. take it to the virtual battlefield. if naniwa isnt good enough for code s, he will drop out. but dont make up some reasons now, so that higher authorities kick him out, because they dont like him. he showed up and didnt leave the game instantly. you cant ban a player if he loses he match you werent very happy with...
naniwa is growing to be a great villain. if you liked the friendly banter between eg and mouze during nasl-finals, you have to love the show naniwa is putting on. and the best thing is, it isnt even fake. naniwa is actually like that. a player who gets carried away by his emotions. to me its great ENTERTAINMENT. and that is, why i watch sc2.
holy moly i am so waiting for the next match between nestea and naniwa. boy, there will be some serious history
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On December 13 2011 22:07 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:06 LastLordofCastamere wrote:On December 13 2011 21:55 iggyfisk wrote:
Do you know what makes a spectator sport? Not respect, honor, or trying your best. Spectators. If people watch, talk about it, get emotional about it, it's a good sport. The next time naniwa plays, people will watch. So American Idol is the greatest spectator sport ever! except its not a sport.... is it a great spectacle? yes. sarcastic responses normally go down better if they atleast make sense
Why not? Aren't they competing?
If all you require are people watching and talking about it, then just go watch reality tv.
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Nestea just tweeted, someone translate it!
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On December 13 2011 22:13 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:10 jojo311 wrote:On December 13 2011 22:01 namste wrote:
A lot of discussion between Mr. Chae and the other casters on twitter atm. I can understand korean and the discussion is nothing with this naniwa. There was some talk about imjaedok as in Nestea, but my korean vocabulary is really awful so couldn't actually understand much :/
Mr. chae said " curious about the reaction of the audiences at the studio. i should have gone to studio. "
and the other guy (Ethan_Ahn, think he is a journalist.) said " Nestea was really upset and the audiences were dumbfounded"
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On December 13 2011 22:16 babyToSS wrote:
Saw the whole thing live. What Naniwa did was incredibly immature and unaccetible. I hope he gets some sort of penalty for that. Disrespectful to SC2 fans, Nestea and Gom. I feel sorry for people who paid to watch the tournament and were anticipating the match-up. Yea he was having a bad day but that is no excuse, needs to take a lesson from LiquidHero who stuck it out and gave his best instead of quitting.
Also people need to stop comparing him to Idra. Idra is BM towards cheesy/all in opponents and out-spoken but he never really insults his fans and tourney organizers intentionally like that. In fact if you have ever met him at a live event he one of the more awesome pros always interacting with fans in between games. Korean reaction is totally justified. Would have been better if they had given Stephano a second shot in Group B.
For those in doubt, Naniwa pretty much a moved his probes in Nestea's main and took his hands off the keyboard.
Oh my god you have sand in your vagina?
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I love naniwa, I would strip for him. What he did brought smiles to many (including me).
Wish people would stop being so serious and just enjoy. If you think hés a joke, just laugh, dont hate. Naniwa the boss joker of the century! Love him ♥♥
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Honestly the reaction from so many people trying to justify this kind of behaviour shows why no foreigners can compete with Koreans. I've never been so angry watching any professional sport before. Obviously most of the fan base are immature idiots who don't take it seriously whatsoever so look: if you think Naniwa's actions here should just be let go or just be passed off as a 'a bit of fun' then you are wrong, just flat out wrong. GOM should remove his S class and ban him from participating for at least 1 season. If a Korean had done this, I am almost positive that even if GOM didn't take action, they would have been kicked out of their team and blacklisted and no other team would ever touch them again no matter how good they are, it is so fucking disrespectful to everyone.
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On December 13 2011 22:17 Ponchey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. Don't worry. We have the incredible well-mannered ThorZaiN to counter Naniwa. They're like our "good cop, bad cops".
MorroW is kind of cute, too, from what i heard!  And i don't remember SaSe as a bad sportsman either, even though he's with Naniwa now so he might learn a thing or two.
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Chill out guys,NaNi said he didn't pratice very much because he had spent a week visiting his family so the season was over for him according to the latest ST House interview.
But yes he could've atleast proxy 2gate into DT :D.
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On December 13 2011 22:09 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:03 Seronei wrote:On December 13 2011 22:02 jnsjr wrote:On December 13 2011 22:00 Seronei wrote:On December 13 2011 21:58 Exarl25 wrote:On December 13 2011 21:55 Seronei wrote:On December 13 2011 21:55 0ne wrote:On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote:On December 13 2011 21:48 0ne wrote:On December 13 2011 21:47 iggyfisk wrote:
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I think when he completely threw the series against Nerchio, as in he didn't even play the last game, when the games still mattered and he could still have won, is a bit higher up on the scale actually. That was in an online tournament not in the fucking GSL against Nestea He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed. You have no idea what you are talking about. Idra had planned to 6 pool on Jungle Basin before the series started because it was an unwinnable map ZvT and it almost worked. I have every idea what I'm talking about. Idra didn't think he would win with that 6 pool. There is a difference between not thinking you will win and not trying to win. IdrA didn't like his chances but he picked the strat that he thought would give him the best chance and went for it. Naniwa a-moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard If you think 6 pool on a map that's so easy to wall of is the best chance you have you're delusional. He would have left instantly if there had been a wall there. This was a premeditated strategy. He even discussed it with others the day before the match. Have you even seen it? He almost won. Of course I've seen it. I know it was premeditated. It was still a stupid strategy because he didn't think he could win before the match started. But he was actually still trying to win with it which is the point you seem completely incapable of understanding. If Naniwa had done a proxy 2-Gate or something and actually tried to micro his Zealots and win the game then people would be looking at this differently. A lot of people would still be a bit annoyed but you wouldn't see anywhere near as much criticism as you are now. The point is that Naniwa intentionally lost the game. He didn't even micro his Probes, he a-moved and took his hands off the keyboard. He might as well have just called gg and quit 5 seconds in. So many people have explained the difference to you by now and I hope you can finally get it through your head.
Hahaha omg i just love hotheaded nerds who overreact to EVERYTHING. REAL NaNiwa fans who know NaNiwa's personality and appreciates him only thinks this is funny. I thought it was funny.
And NaNiwa did it for his REAL fans. The fans that understand him and don't overreact on a small thing like a match that doesn't matter.
People need to get a hobby instead of being bitches about everything that naniwa does that they don't like. People who don't like naniwa are overreacting. Hating for silly reasons.
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Isn't Coca out of code S for throwing a meaningless game in an online tournament?
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Someoen translate that...google translate is failing hard for that tweet.
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On December 13 2011 22:16 Miketorreza wrote:
To all of the people saying the game was meaningless, even though it didn't affect the standings in the tournament IT WAS A HIGHLY ANTICIPATED MATCH. The casters were hyping it up, Quantic Gaming's twitter was hyping it up, people were looking forward to this rematch. Naniwa just a+moved his workers, took his hands off the keyboard, and spit in the face of everyone involved in, and everyone watching, this HIGHLY PRESTIGIOUS LAST TOURNAMENT OF THE YEAR.
He is a despicable, childish, and selfish human being.
Well, if ANYTHING, they should arrange a formal showmatch. Bo5 or bo7.
A "grudgematch" where both players are on tilt after losing to 3 players they expected to beat at least 2 is a disgrace.
The game would be aweful non-the-less.
If people are honestly considering boycoting "e-sports" [horrible term] or GSL because of this, it shows how little you actually care and how disgracefull you are for it in the first place.
It's not some fragile term, it's quite solid and drama attracts viewers which generates interest in the game.
We can always discuss many of the decissions of MC vs DRG, or how Idra was known to GG early with no reason [ref vs HuK and vs MMA] and it didn't "kill" anything.
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On December 13 2011 22:18 Giriath wrote:
Nestea just tweeted, someone translate it!
"I was insanely frustrated by my bad performance today(Nestea himself) and the opponent did a more insane job"
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On December 13 2011 22:15 Letall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:12 synaptik wrote:On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream We are dedicated fans, much like canadians making exuses for Huk when he loses. That aside I think nani shoulsve at least proxy 2gated.
must be great to cheer on someone who doesnt give a shi- about his fans. i envy you.
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On December 13 2011 21:40 ComusLoM wrote:
This is the first time I have actually felt like the Korean community don't deserve any respect at all.
If it was a Korean losing three times to cheese there would be the same comments but more along the lines of:
LOLOLOL STUPID FOREIGNERS CAN'T BEAT US IN REAL GAMES
They talk about professionalism while showing none themselves on this issue.
Woah woah woah...You are just pulling these words out of your ass. Why would you ever think that the koreans will act like that. Also who do you think would say that? The korean fans? The players? I am pretty sure that the koreans respect a lot of the foreigners ability to keep up with the top koreans. I doubt that anything like that would have been said if a foreigner did that to a korean. Think a little harder before you make those dumb accusations.
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On December 13 2011 22:19 chokke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:16 Miketorreza wrote:
To all of the people saying the game was meaningless, even though it didn't affect the standings in the tournament IT WAS A HIGHLY ANTICIPATED MATCH. The casters were hyping it up, Quantic Gaming's twitter was hyping it up, people were looking forward to this rematch. Naniwa just a+moved his workers, took his hands off the keyboard, and spit in the face of everyone involved in, and everyone watching, this HIGHLY PRESTIGIOUS LAST TOURNAMENT OF THE YEAR.
He is a despicable, childish, and selfish human being. Well, if ANYTHING, they should arrange a formal showmatch. Bo5 or bo7. A "grudgematch" where both players are on tilt after losing to 3 players they expected to beat at least 2 is a disgrace. The game would be aweful non-the-less. If people are honestly considering boycoting "e-sports" [horrible term] or GSL because of this, it shows how little you actually care and how disgracefull you are for it in the first place. It's not some fragile term, it's quite solid and drama attracts viewers which generates interest in the game.
Exactly, players should not be responsible for shit casters and managers make up.
If the players didn't agree to something like that then don't talk about it, it's their own fault in this case.
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On December 13 2011 22:19 0ne wrote:
Isn't coca out of code S for throwing meaningless game in an online tournament?
byun is also sitting out of gsl for it
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On December 13 2011 22:07 kurrysauce wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:02 ikona wrote:On December 13 2011 21:56 Yekke wrote:
The difference between idra's 6 pool and naniwa's probe rush is that idra actually micro'd and tried to win.
naniwa wasnt trying. This is perfect example of "double standards" our community uses. You try to convince us Idra even considers 6 pool valid strat. Really? ^what this guy said. I think it's an overreaction tbh. the games didn't matter anymore . Sure he might have offended the koreans , but I think for our community to react like this and give naniwa shit is uncalled for. I bet if it were an MLG and a player didn't show up for the .. let say 10-12th place match or something , they wouldn't get any flak for it.
People throw the placement matches the entire time and nobody cares, despite them even being for MLG points and money.
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