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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 LastLordofCastamere wrote: So American Idol is the greatest spectator sport ever! except its not a sport.... is it a great spectacle? yes. sarcastic responses normally go down better if they atleast make sense | ||
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coloursheep
China497 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote: He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed. watch that game again, Artosis knew he was going to do that before he did it, it was a planned build on that map based on what he had seen of jinro's play on it. Naniwa's decision was not based on any strategy . | ||
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ShineOnYou
93 Posts
He lost three games that he should have at one point won, you gotta feel his frustration :3 | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
@FXOChoya: [Can't believe] that kind of bastard is a pro-gamer. LOLOLOL I can I do is laugh Well, Choya himself is a progamer, why wouldn't Naniwa be? | ||
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masakenji
Australia415 Posts
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:02 turdburgler wrote: ye koreans love honor, they never throw games OH WAIT im so disappointed that the official mvp team twitter is commenting on nani like this. none of the western teams gloated when esv weekly game was thrown, the teams kept a measured and professional response. the fact a team is publicly shitty on nani is out of line. korean sc2 scene looking more childish every week Some of Naniwa's comments in his interviews painted their team in a poor light, so I can see where it's coming from. But at the same time, it seems out of character for the Korean scene. | ||
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 rauk wrote: some players aren't lucky enough to be born outside of korea and get on a rich non-korean team and get flown to foreign events and play foreigners to get an invite to a korean tournament On December 13 2011 22:07 WigglingSquid wrote: Not everyone has a deep-pocketed team that can send you around winning (relatively) easy international tournaments. Haha, Hivemind. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:04 Gigglesstarcraft wrote: Wasn't a good thing to do, but why so much hate for it? Imagine if you were in his situation I'd say at least 30% of people would of been so frustrated after those series, though screw it, doesn't matter lets just finish this quickly. First off, I don't know much about WC3 and manners in that game. But Nestea and other SC2 players come from BW, a game where you play games till the very end when there's no chance to win anymore. You don't throw away games, even if there's no chance to advance. For Koreans that is considered to be normal for a pro gamer --- and then comes a kid like Naniwa, doesn't micro and blatantly throws away the game in 80 seconds or something. Frustration can get to you, but Naniwa is a pro gamer, he plays SC2 for a living. He is expected to behave better than that. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:03 Seronei wrote: Of course I've seen it. I know it was premeditated. It was still a stupid strategy because he didn't think he could win before the match started. But he was actually still trying to win with it which is the point you seem completely incapable of understanding. If Naniwa had done a proxy 2-Gate or something and actually tried to micro his Zealots and win the game then people would be looking at this differently. A lot of people would still be a bit annoyed but you wouldn't see anywhere near as much criticism as you are now. The point is that Naniwa intentionally lost the game. He didn't even micro his Probes, he a-moved and took his hands off the keyboard. He might as well have just called gg and quit 5 seconds in. So many people have explained the difference to you by now and I hope you can finally get it through your head. | ||
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:02 Kappa09 wrote: Actually no I explained it perfectly. There is a big difference between not putting out your full effort and completely throwing the game or not playing it at all. The fans go into a game like that expecting it to not be the best quality game because it doesn't mean anything. However, that doesn't give the team or players the right to just completely screw around or blow it off. There is a fine line between the two, that you are missing and you clearly are the misguided one. This is true for any sport. What did you explain perfectly? Why do you get to make an arbitrary line as to where you are throwing the game or just putting in less effort? Coming from an NFL can you could not be more wrong. EVERYBODY knows the game is meaningless. No true fan watches these pointless games. In fact the majority of fans refuse to watch the farce of a competition. You end up seeing lots of weird crazy plays that would never make it in a real game, because these games are essentially practice for your second/third string at this point. You are honestly just making stuff up that you know nothing about. Stop trying to force this comparison on E-sports, it dose not work. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
The match shouldn't have been played, imo. Both players are out and have nothing to play for. What motivation do they have to play their best and use good strategies in a game of absolutely no value? For example, in the Up/Down matches, matches that have no value whatsoever are skipped (see Tassadar vs anypro in July Up/Down Group B). That said, Naniwa should have just forfeited. Yeah, it's basically the same with him running all his probes to die at the beginning, but at least by forfeiting before the game starts he doesn't give Nestea/the viewers/casters etc the impression that it's actually going to be a somewhat proper game. Some remarks are pretty bad, especially the one from team MVP and Choya. Oh, well. | ||
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:09 Exarl25 wrote: But he was actually still trying to win with it which is the point you seem completely incapable of understanding. If Naniwa had done a proxy 2-Gate or something and actually tried to micro his Zealots and win the game then people would be looking at this differently. A lot of people would still be a bit annoyed but you wouldn't see anywhere near as much criticism as you are now. The point is that Naniwa intentionally lost the game. He didn't even micro his Probes, he a-moved and took his hands off the keyboard. He might as well have just called gg and quit 5 seconds in. So many people have explained the difference to you by now and I hope you can finally get it through your head. He only tried because he was lucky. If he saw Nestea 6 pool he might have microed. You don't know. | ||
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jojo311
Australia903 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:01 namste wrote: A lot of discussion between Mr. Chae and the other casters on twitter atm. I can understand korean and the discussion is nothing with this naniwa. | ||
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Eggah
Australia12 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:37 Ventor wrote: That was a dick move by him and he deserves to lose a lot of respect and fans from doing that. My heart goes out to Nestea for that though, knowing he practiced his heart out to get his revenge on Naniwa from MLG. If the community condones this move by Naniwa then I have 0 faith in eSports ever becoming a mainstream sport ANY time soon. Your faith in this community means a lot to me... so I better change my opinion..? Anyway Naniwa was obviously tilted pretty hard and being forced to play a game you don't want to after those frustrating losses... That was a lot more entertaining than the half hearted attempt he would have made in a game anyway. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:05 careohx wrote: "@MVPGuineapig: There's so many people who can't compete in leagues even if they want to.. are you mocking them?" Those players should get better and qualify. They didn't qualify because they lacked the finances/opportunities to participate in all the tournaments Naniwa has. This is backed up by Naniwa's mediocre record in Korea, showing that Naniwa isn't worthy of a tournament that's supposed to have the best 10 players in the world. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:09 NuclearJudas wrote: Oh, wow. Thankfully I missed this when it was live. The match shouldn't have been played, imo. Both players are out and have nothing to play for. What motivation do they have to play their best and use good strategies in a game of absolutely no value? For example, in the Up/Down matches, matches that have no value whatsoever are skipped (see Tassadar vs anypro in July Up/Down Group B). That said, Naniwa should have just forfeited. Yeah, it's basically the same with him running all his probes to die at the beginning, but at least by forfeiting before the game starts he doesn't give Nestea/the viewers/casters etc the impression that it's actually going to be a somewhat proper game. Some remarks are pretty bad, especially the one from team MVP and Choya. Oh, well. well it would've been said prior to the tournament that all the games will be played. naniwa would've had to agree to all these terms. so basically by agreeing to that and then throwing a game cause he was out of it is just terrible. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:11 MayorITC wrote: They didn't qualify because they lacked the finances/opportunities to participate in all the tournaments Naniwa has. This is backed up by Naniwa's mediocre record in Korea, showing that Naniwa isn't worthy of a tournament that's supposed to have the best 10 players in the world. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Global_Invitational You look like you're desperately trying to justify your overreaction. Just chill. Nobody will judge you, I mean you didn't worker rush, did you? | ||
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:06 LeopoldStotch wrote: The difference is that they do play the game. What Naniwa did was throw the game, he took his hands off the keyboard, there was zero chance of him winning. I could understand why someone who dose not watch the NFL would say that. But if you think second string QB's and WR's can beat another NFL team that is actually trying with starters.... there is nothing to discuss. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:10 Seronei wrote: He only tried because he was lucky. If he saw Nestea 6 pool he might have microed. You don't know. What are you talking about? IdrA went into the game wanting to win and with a pre-planned build that he thought had a chance of winning. Naniwa went into the game intending to lose. Not just thinking he was going to lose intending to lose. He didn't want to win, he didn't want to play at all. | ||
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synaptik
Canada644 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream | ||
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