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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
December 13 2011 13:01 GMT
#181
A lot of discussion between Mr. Chae and the other casters on twitter atm.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
December 13 2011 13:01 GMT
#182
i bet complexity is really glad right about now. i guess we know how that story went
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
December 13 2011 13:01 GMT
#183
Gom should have ended the night after the group was decided and Nestea and Nani were both knocked out. They would have done it on any other night, but their poor planning led to a Nestea-Naniwa rematching being held to late to be meaningful. I have watched a ton of GSL and I actually turned off the stream after Nani lost to the Thor rush thinking there was no way Gom would play games when the round has already been decided (don't do it in up/downs).
"En taro adun, Executor."
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
December 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#184
On December 13 2011 22:00 Seronei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:55 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:55 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:48 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:47 iggyfisk wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:45 Pikarya wrote:
Don't think IdrA even gets this butthurt.

I think when he completely threw the series against Nerchio, as in he didn't even play the last game, when the games still mattered and he could still have won, is a bit higher up on the scale actually.

That was in an online tournament not in the fucking GSL against Nestea

He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Idra had planned to 6 pool on Jungle Basin before the series started because it was an unwinnable map ZvT and it almost worked.

I have every idea what I'm talking about. Idra didn't think he would win with that 6 pool.


There is a difference between not thinking you will win and not trying to win. IdrA didn't like his chances but he picked the strat that he thought would give him the best chance and went for it. Naniwa a-moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard

If you think 6 pool on a map that's so easy to wall of is the best chance you have you're delusional. He would have left instantly if there had been a wall there.


This was a premeditated strategy. He even discussed it with others the day before the match. Have you even seen it? He almost won.
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laguu
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland278 Posts
December 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#185
I hope you are not being selective with the tweets you translate. Because there's no way for me to tell..
Arguing with a fool proves there are two.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
December 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#186
On December 13 2011 21:58 KeksX wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:56 Usagi wrote:
Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays.

Care to elaborate? What did he say about replays? In what context?


he didnt practice with his teamhouse members iirc.
he said it in a recent interview.
and it was proved when mvp said that his gf sent him vods of his stream to study.
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n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:05:34
December 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#187
On December 13 2011 21:54 Neelia wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:42 Ucs wrote:
Have you ever seen a professional sport team/player/anyone do something like that even in situations in which the match didn't matter? No! Why? Because they have something to say to the fans:"Even thou we lost, we tried our best for you!"/ "I tried!" / "I can actaully play well so support me" / etc.. What he just said right now is :"I only care about winning some money. Why should I struggle to show a good game when I can't get the money? The fans? LOLOLLOLOLOLOL!"


Ever watched the Champions League? Teams that are guaranteed a top16 spot field their B/C Team quite often, even when the outcome of the game affects other teams. (See FC Arsenal - that greek club or Bayern Munich - Manchester City this CL season)


True, however they do that for a 100% valid reason (the difficulty of fielding the same 14-15 players 2 games/week). Not to mention that THEY STILL give their best to win, even when fielding their B-teamers.

If narniwa would've tried to micro/actually win that situation, I'm sure no one would've given him any shit.
Kappa09
Profile Joined January 2011
United States149 Posts
December 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#188
On December 13 2011 21:58 gregnog wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote:
I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports just to see how wrong Naniwa was. How would you feel if the Green Bay Packers were 0-12 (obviously not true, so can't offend anyone) in the season and obviously had no chance of making the playoffs/superbowl, and then they went on to purposely lose their remaining games by sitting on the sidelines or just screwing around in front of thousands of live spectators and millions of spectators watching on television. Their fans and football fans alike would be absolutely outraged and this would be completely unacceptable. Do you think it's fair for everyone involved with the team or game that they weren't shown a true game like they were promised?


Do you watch the NFL? You actually described what DOSE happen. When a team gos 12-0 or 0-12 they start pulling players to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also the fans KNOW and UNDERSTAND that the game is meaningless, the ratings show it. On the Sportscenters and related shows all of them understand the game was meaningless, they repeat it over and over, barely skimming it over. Your comparison is very misguided.


Actually no I explained it perfectly. There is a big difference between not putting out your full effort and completely throwing the game or not playing it at all. The fans go into a game like that expecting it to not be the best quality game because it doesn't mean anything. However, that doesn't give the team or players the right to just completely screw around or blow it off. There is a fine line between the two, that you are missing and you clearly are the misguided one. This is true for any sport.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:04:23
December 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#189
On December 13 2011 21:56 namste wrote:
I think the biggest thing that people seem to forget is that for a lot of Asian cultures things like honor are true values.

I shall pee on Naniwa if I ever see him.


ye koreans love honor, they never throw games

OH WAIT

im so disappointed that the official mvp team twitter is commenting on nani like this. none of the western teams gloated when esv weekly game was thrown, the teams kept a measured and professional response. the fact a team is publicly shitty on nani is out of line.

korean sc2 scene looking more childish every week
ikona
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland47 Posts
December 13 2011 13:02 GMT
#190
On December 13 2011 21:56 Yekke wrote:
The difference between idra's 6 pool and naniwa's probe rush is that idra actually micro'd and tried to win.

naniwa wasnt trying.


This is perfect example of "double standards" our community uses. You try to convince us Idra even considers 6 pool valid strat. Really?
Dimon87
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:04:11
December 13 2011 13:03 GMT
#191
Shitstorm ensues as usual in this community yes it was disrespectful but can you honestly not see his point? The format is really shitty, BO1? seriously? and allows these kind of "pointless" games to happen. Naniwa was disrespectful but i don't get why we after all this time have these shitty formats i find that MORE disrespectful to players and spectators alike.
Labbetuss
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway568 Posts
December 13 2011 13:03 GMT
#192
On December 13 2011 21:33 kfour wrote:
I'm not mad, just kinda disappointed. I understand why naniwa did what he did, but it's a bit embarassing...


Totally agree. I'm still his fan, but right now I feel like the parent telling his kid that he's disappointed.
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Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
December 13 2011 13:03 GMT
#193
On December 13 2011 22:02 jnsjr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:00 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:58 Exarl25 wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:55 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:55 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:48 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:47 iggyfisk wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:45 Pikarya wrote:
Don't think IdrA even gets this butthurt.

I think when he completely threw the series against Nerchio, as in he didn't even play the last game, when the games still mattered and he could still have won, is a bit higher up on the scale actually.

That was in an online tournament not in the fucking GSL against Nestea

He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Idra had planned to 6 pool on Jungle Basin before the series started because it was an unwinnable map ZvT and it almost worked.

I have every idea what I'm talking about. Idra didn't think he would win with that 6 pool.


There is a difference between not thinking you will win and not trying to win. IdrA didn't like his chances but he picked the strat that he thought would give him the best chance and went for it. Naniwa a-moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard

If you think 6 pool on a map that's so easy to wall of is the best chance you have you're delusional. He would have left instantly if there had been a wall there.


This was a premeditated strategy. He even discussed it with others the day before the match. Have you even seen it? He almost won.

Of course I've seen it. I know it was premeditated. It was still a stupid strategy because he didn't think he could win before the match started.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:03:55
December 13 2011 13:03 GMT
#194
true words by GuineaPig. this is the fuckin year-end tournament. Getting there by winning a few bo3 over non-Koreans doesnt mean you can shit on other efforts throughout the year
NaNiwa is a kid after all. And kid should be punished hard, big time
SomniGiggles
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom214 Posts
December 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#195
Wasn't a good thing to do, but why so much hate for it? Imagine if you were in his situation I'd say at least 30% of people would of been so frustrated after those series, though screw it, doesn't matter lets just finish this quickly.

On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


Lol
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#196
On December 13 2011 22:02 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:58 KeksX wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:56 Usagi wrote:
Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays.

Care to elaborate? What did he say about replays? In what context?


he didnt practice with his teamhouse members iirc.
he said it in a recent interview.
and it was proved when mvp said that his gf sent him vods of his stream to study.


stephano isn't practicing in im house, what's the problem?
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
December 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#197
On December 13 2011 22:03 Arceus wrote:
true words by GuineaPig. this is the fuckin year-end tournament. Getting there by winning a few bo3 over non-Koreans doesnt mean you can shit on other efforts throughout the year
NaNiwa is a kid after all. And kid should be punished hard, big time


There's a new daddy in town, a discipline daddy.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
December 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#198
If Coca lost his code S spot i think Naniwa is fucked
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
December 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#199
On December 13 2011 22:01 Chriscras wrote:
Gom should have ended the night after the group was decided and Nestea and Nani were both knocked out. They would have done it on any other night, but their poor planning led to a Nestea-Naniwa rematching being held to late to be meaningful. I have watched a ton of GSL and I actually turned off the stream after Nani lost to the Thor rush thinking there was no way Gom would play games when the round has already been decided (don't do it in up/downs).


Normally they would have canceled it I believe too, but maybe they thought it would entertain the viewers.

Anyways, wasn't the best idea ever for nani to probe rush

But as huk retweeted btw

NeWKiDsc2 NeW KiD
@
@LorangerChris Stephano 6pooled cloud twice in a row when he was 0-3 in a game that actually mattered. Nobody gave a shit. Haters gonna hate


People tolerate idra because many people love him for his bm and stephano has a huge fan base, nani doesn't have enough support to do this.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#200
On December 13 2011 22:03 Arceus wrote:
true words by GuineaPig. this is the fuckin year-end tournament. Getting there by winning a few bo3 over non-Koreans doesnt mean you can shit on other efforts throughout the year
NaNiwa is a kid after all. And kid should be punished hard, big time

In what way did he shit on other's efforts?! Gosh, you people act like 6 year olds
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