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Nestea vs Naniwa Korean Twitterstorm - Page 9

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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 12:57:07
December 13 2011 12:56 GMT
#161
I think the biggest thing that people seem to forget is that for a lot of Asian cultures things like honor are true values.

I shall pee on Naniwa if I ever see him.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Yekke
Profile Joined February 2011
16 Posts
December 13 2011 12:56 GMT
#162
The difference between idra's 6 pool and naniwa's probe rush is that idra actually micro'd and tried to win.

naniwa wasnt trying.
Samahoj
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden109 Posts
December 13 2011 12:56 GMT
#163
On December 13 2011 21:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:48 TheKefka wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Sorry, but naniwa is a god damn moron. Not just for this, but the fact that he did it after he comes off just less than a month of like 5 controversial things. It's so fucking stupid to put yourself into a position like this and have any more shit on your record. I can't believe people are still defending him when he has a long, long history of this kind of stuff and this wasn't just a "1 time" or even "few time" thing. He really needs to learn to control himself and just suck it up for the same of his career.

Ok,so it took a game(that ment nothing) of him worker rushing Nestea for people to realize Naniwa is a selfish player that only cares about if he wins,everything else comes second.
Well guess what man,that is who he is.He wasn't a different person 3 months ago,he forfeited games before this,he refused to play games that mean nothing to him.
This is who he is and it is nothing new.
If anyone is to blame here its GOM or who ever is in charge of the game scheduling,to have forced them to play this game in the first place,because I'm pretty sure that Naniwa wanted to forfeit the game and they told him he must play his game out.
It's their own fault that this happened if the don't like it,but hey,at least now they know.

This was an INVITATIONAL for champions. It's an event match as much as it is a competition. This is for the fans who want to see matches seen between their favorite players. If GOM knew naniwa was gonna be a dick to the fans and their organization they would never have invited him.

then there's no point in having the mlg/gsl cooperation if they can chose who they want from mlg instead of the placings to matter. and personally i don't care at all about matches that hold no worth, loses all the excitement, so couldn't care less if nani threw the game or not.
MORROW, NANIWA, SASE, THORZAIN, SORTOF | NTH, PULSE, LGD.INT
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
December 13 2011 12:56 GMT
#164
Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 13 2011 12:56 GMT
#165
On December 13 2011 21:55 0ne wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:48 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:47 iggyfisk wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:45 Pikarya wrote:
Don't think IdrA even gets this butthurt.

I think when he completely threw the series against Nerchio, as in he didn't even play the last game, when the games still mattered and he could still have won, is a bit higher up on the scale actually.

That was in an online tournament not in the fucking GSL against Nestea

He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Idra had planned to 6 pool on Jungle Basin before the series started because it was an unwinnable map ZvT and it almost worked.


Well Idra did forfeit the 2nd game vs Nerchio on TL open. He didnt get this hate at all. Btw im not saying what Naniwa did was a good thing
Kappa09
Profile Joined January 2011
United States149 Posts
December 13 2011 12:57 GMT
#166
On December 13 2011 21:55 FlamingForce wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote:
I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports.


Yeah, your entire post falls apart right there since that just doesn't work.


Explain to me how that doesn't work, aren't we trying to legitimatize Starcraft 2 as mainstream and eventually a real sport. It's absolutely ludicrous if you think actions like this are acceptable in any competitive format no matter what it be.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
December 13 2011 12:58 GMT
#167
On December 13 2011 21:42 coddan wrote:
I think it's a tad bit hypocritical of Choya since he is one of very few who have actually been banned from GSL in the past for cheating the system

Yes but hes Korean so he gets a free pass. Thats how it works in the community. Naniwa is on the same level on savior judging by most comments. I think its sad that the korean players get as much support as they do from within our community when there is none from their side.
4649!!
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
December 13 2011 12:58 GMT
#168
On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote:
I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports just to see how wrong Naniwa was. How would you feel if the Green Bay Packers were 0-12 (obviously not true, so can't offend anyone) in the season and obviously had no chance of making the playoffs/superbowl, and then they went on to purposely lose their remaining games by sitting on the sidelines or just screwing around in front of thousands of live spectators and millions of spectators watching on television. Their fans and football fans alike would be absolutely outraged and this would be completely unacceptable. Do you think it's fair for everyone involved with the team or game that they weren't shown a true game like they were promised?


Do you watch the NFL? You actually described what DOSE happen. When a team gos 12-0 or 0-12 they start pulling players to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also the fans KNOW and UNDERSTAND that the game is meaningless, the ratings show it. On the Sportscenters and related shows all of them understand the game was meaningless, they repeat it over and over, barely skimming it over. Your comparison is very misguided.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 13 2011 12:58 GMT
#169
On December 13 2011 21:56 Usagi wrote:
Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays.

Care to elaborate? What did he say about replays? In what context?
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
December 13 2011 12:58 GMT
#170
On December 13 2011 21:55 Seronei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:55 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:48 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:47 iggyfisk wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:45 Pikarya wrote:
Don't think IdrA even gets this butthurt.

I think when he completely threw the series against Nerchio, as in he didn't even play the last game, when the games still mattered and he could still have won, is a bit higher up on the scale actually.

That was in an online tournament not in the fucking GSL against Nestea

He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Idra had planned to 6 pool on Jungle Basin before the series started because it was an unwinnable map ZvT and it almost worked.

I have every idea what I'm talking about. Idra didn't think he would win with that 6 pool.


There is a difference between not thinking you will win and not trying to win. IdrA didn't like his chances but he picked the strat that he thought would give him the best chance and went for it. Naniwa a-moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard
MarinePrince
Profile Joined October 2011
United States101 Posts
December 13 2011 12:59 GMT
#171
Sheesh... The Koreans are overreacting. It wouldn't be such a huge problem if a Korean had done it. They're starting a Naniwa "witch" hunt... and making themselves look bad. Don't take it personally, you guys.
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character." - Albert Einstein
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:00:46
December 13 2011 12:59 GMT
#172
If you don't care about E-sports or SC2 as a professional sport, that's perfectly fine. But then don't fucking play in a tournament that's partially funded by viewer fees because the tournament is no longer just a tournament but a spectator sport.

If Naniwa wants to do whatever the fuck he wants and disregard any obligations to other people then don't partake in events funded/ran/organized by those other people. You can't just only take without giving anything in return.

On December 13 2011 21:59 MarinePrince wrote:
Sheesh... The Koreans are overreacting. It wouldn't be such a huge problem if a Korean had done it. They're starting a Naniwa "witch" hunt... and making themselves look bad. Don't take it personally, you guys.


Really? Which Korean has done it? I mean it has to have happened before right for you to make that kind of conjecture.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 13 2011 12:59 GMT
#173
On December 13 2011 21:59 MarinePrince wrote:
Sheesh... The Koreans are overreacting. It wouldn't be such a huge problem if a Korean had done it. They're starting a Naniwa "witch" hunt... and making themselves look bad. Don't take it personally, you guys.

coca and byun did it, look where they are
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:00:33
December 13 2011 12:59 GMT
#174
On December 13 2011 21:56 Yekke wrote:
The difference between idra's 6 pool and naniwa's probe rush is that idra actually micro'd and tried to win.

naniwa wasnt trying.

So everytime people decide it's not worth the effort and nerves they should be punished to death like savior? Because I know many games where people just did stupid shit and left the game early because they were sick and tired.

Yes, "throwing away games" is bad, but it's happening more often than you people seem to realize and it's not THAT bad.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:00:34
December 13 2011 13:00 GMT
#175
I find it funny how suddenly a lot of new posters emerged just to post about this topic =))
Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:00:41
December 13 2011 13:00 GMT
#176
On December 13 2011 21:58 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:55 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:55 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:48 0ne wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:47 iggyfisk wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:45 Pikarya wrote:
Don't think IdrA even gets this butthurt.

I think when he completely threw the series against Nerchio, as in he didn't even play the last game, when the games still mattered and he could still have won, is a bit higher up on the scale actually.

That was in an online tournament not in the fucking GSL against Nestea

He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Idra had planned to 6 pool on Jungle Basin before the series started because it was an unwinnable map ZvT and it almost worked.

I have every idea what I'm talking about. Idra didn't think he would win with that 6 pool.


There is a difference between not thinking you will win and not trying to win. IdrA didn't like his chances but he picked the strat that he thought would give him the best chance and went for it. Naniwa a-moved his probes and took his hands off the keyboard

If you think 6 pool on a map that's so easy to wall of is the best chance you have you're delusional. He would have left instantly if there had been a wall there.
Teael
Profile Joined February 2011
United States724 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:00:56
December 13 2011 13:00 GMT
#177
On December 13 2011 21:58 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:56 Usagi wrote:
Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays.

Care to elaborate? What did he say about replays? In what context?


Stephano said he doesn't really trust sharing his relays with koreans, since he trust them, and doesn't want them to figure him out, or something to that effect


Totally not even applicable to this situation
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
December 13 2011 13:00 GMT
#178
Well, this mainly just shows how much more serious eSports still is to Koreans than us.
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
December 13 2011 13:00 GMT
#179
On December 13 2011 21:57 Kappa09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:55 FlamingForce wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote:
I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports.


Yeah, your entire post falls apart right there since that just doesn't work.


Explain to me how that doesn't work, aren't we trying to legitimatize Starcraft 2 as mainstream and eventually a real sport. It's absolutely ludicrous if you think actions like this are acceptable in any competitive format no matter what it be.


Read the actual topic, plz. Neelia already explained it.
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
December 13 2011 13:01 GMT
#180
On December 13 2011 21:56 Usagi wrote:
Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays.

Stephano not trusting Koreans means that they're backstabbing and "untrusty" people? That's just how Stephano is. He didn't want to take the chance and that's perfectly fine. I don't see how that somehow proves that Koreans are untrustworthy.
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