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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:48 0ne wrote: That was in an online tournament not in the fucking GSL against Nestea He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed. | ||
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
You guys wanted e-sports to hit it big time, you guys support unsportsmanlike behavior. Edit: Since it has been noted that B/C teams are often seen after known losses, would this ever be seen in the Olympics, solo sports? This is an individual sport, so I suppose the comparison is not fair anyways. Think of all the individual sportsmen out there and compare their mentalities to Naniwa, no way you're making those two equate. "Oh they're in it to win" but surely they have some dignity to at least finish the race? People don't give up sprints they can't win. You didn't see Hero giving up on his 4th game did you? Or MC give up, knowing he'd advance anyways? Nestea didn't do anything of the sort, and he absolutely had more reputation on the line. Claimed by many to be "Best Zerg in the World", knocked out R1? No doubt he's disappointed. Not to mention, sketch given betting on SC2 in Korea. Also he's playing in Code S January. How's everyone going to think of him? Doubt he even thought about his image. But apparently that's not something he's good at. People are using 6pool as an example of throwing games. 6pool in zvz, valid strat. 6pool in zvp, see it all the time. People citing Idra. Jungle basin smallest map ever. He even got into Jinro's base with lings in that game. It wasn't a half-assed probe rush (0% chance of success). Forfeiting matches in MLG vs GSL: GSL is on a fixed schedule. The two tournaments don't run the same way. Naniwa could be perceived as bad for their business, don't know what incentive they have to keep him in the tournament. Though Mr. Chae does love foreigners. People may bow out of matches in MLG but there are so many other games in MLG it may be feasible to air different matches. With the GSL's 5 minute break setup with only 4 booths the situation is obviously different. How it's GOM's fault for making Naniwa play a game (Oh man, they made Nestea play a game too, who was also 0-3, btw, screw GomTV, they're such a heartless corporation, only providing us with the best SC2 tournaments in the world with the best players) is beyond me. | ||
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coloursheep
China497 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:42 chokke wrote: So should MMA in the game vs Naniwa, Proxy Thor, how disrespectful to the game. What a shame these cheeses. It's a (bad) strat so if anything, he can be hated bnyt people, but not organisations If anything, they should've asked if the players wnated to skip the game since it wouldn't mean anything anyway What? MMA did a great metagame build, calm before the storm is the most macro map there is so an all in is the last thing people expect. Naniwa made a expansion, multiple gates, a robo facility and robo bay and two forges, does that sound like someone preparing for an all in? No of course not because he did not think that MMA would do that, that is why it was a great decision to do it on MMA's part. Comparing the two is ridiculous and the intent behind each action is totally different. Naniwa should be punished because of his intent. Also the organisations can dislike what he did because it cost them a highly anticipated game | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:44 SaoPaulo wrote: Naniwa never got 10k viewers... Only players who gets these kind of viewers are Idra, Day9 and Stephano is on the right track to get the same And Destiny. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:48 TheKefka wrote: Ok,so it took a game(that ment nothing) of him worker rushing Nestea for people to realize Naniwa is a selfish player that only cares about if he wins,everything else comes second. Well guess what man,that is who he is.He wasn't a different person 3 months ago,he forfeited games before this,he refused to play games that mean nothing to him. This is who he is and it is nothing new. If anyone is to blame here its GOM or who ever is in charge of the game scheduling,to have forced them to play this game in the first place,because I'm pretty sure that Naniwa wanted to forfeit the game and they told him he must play his game out. It's their own fault that this happened if the don't like it,but hey,at least now they know. This was an INVITATIONAL for champions. It's an event match as much as it is a competition. This is for the fans who want to see matches seen between their favorite players. If GOM knew naniwa was gonna be a dick to the fans and their organization they would never have invited him. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:50 ladyumbra wrote: I feel bad for nestea now that he worked hard through his birthday and didn't get a chance to show what he had prepared. I don't think he preprared only for Naniwa... There were other games where he could've shown his skill. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:48 KeksX wrote: Sorry but where is the difference between this and planting 2 gates in your opponent's base? This was not cheese. He did not even try to micro his probes, just allowed Nestea to surround and kill them. He threw the game away intentionally. Literally every single protoss on this planet could have done the same. | ||
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coloursheep
China497 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:43 decerto wrote: Because the reason he is a coach is because he played rock paper scissors for ladder points He was always the coach, he just played as well like The Wind in oGs. | ||
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masakenji
Australia415 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:26 Shikyo wrote: Show nested quote + You're a random viewer who probably doesn't give a shit. However if you hosted a tournament, set their computers up for them, had sponsors and advertizements and maybe even money betting on the matches and someone did this? How about if he was a player in your team and you want your team and your teams sponsors to get fame and exposure? How would you feel? Seriously I hate people who only think about things in their own perspective and think of it as the truth. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:30 Waxangel wrote: @MVPGuineapig: There's so many people who can't compete in leagues even if they want to.. are you mocking them? Updating if there's anything interesting :o. Post on /r/starcraft for free Karma :D I cannot emphasize this enough. There are TONS of progamers who would love to have the opportunity Naniwa had to particiipate in the Blizzard Cup, but weren't unable to (not because they lacked talent, but didn't have the finances/opportunities to play in the same tournaments Naniwa has). And I'm confident in saying that most -if not all- would not have done the same shit Naniwa did, but instead play their best FOR the fans. | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:46 Seronei wrote: He probably knew he had to play it, that doesn't make it any less stupid. He's angry at himself for losing the 3 previous games that were finished 15 min ago, he hasn't cooled down yet and is forced to play a game that doesn't matter. He's obviously not going to try his best. Naniwa is obviously an emotional person, you don't make good decisions when you're angry. Being a progamer requires you to control your anger and make good decisions even under bad circumstances, especially at this top level. Since when you see Nestea or MVP or HuK do that even after they are already out of the tournament? That's what separate players like IdrA and Naniwa from ascending to another level. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:50 XRaDiiX wrote: Didn't the IM Coach call Naniwa a Little son of a &#@*tch when he thumbed down Nestea at MLG lol. I bet they are so angry at him now again! more like they're angry that such a childish unprofessional person calls himself a professional | ||
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Whalecore
Norway1111 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:51 zdfgucker wrote: This was not cheese. He did not even try to micro his probes, just allowed Nestea to surround them and kill them. He threw the game away intentionally. Literally every single protoss on this planet could have done the same. My question still stands. Where is the difference? What if he planted 2 gates into nestea's base and then a-move zealots into his mineral line? Would that really be different? It would be other cheese, no worker rush, but still the same kind of thing in the end. On December 13 2011 21:51 MayorITC wrote: I cannot emphasize this enough. There are TONS of progamers who would love to have the opportunity Naniwa had to particiipate in the Blizzard Cup, but weren't unable to (not because they lacked talent, but didn't have the finances/opportunities to play in the same tournaments Naniwa has). And I'm confident in saying that most -if not all- would not have done the same shit Naniwa did, but instead play their best FOR the fans. Thats where you are overreacting just like everyone else. Just because he did this in a meaningless game doesn't mean that he never tried. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Grettin
42412 Posts
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On December 13 2011 21:49 Seronei wrote: He 6 pooled Jinro in GSL, essentially the same. Idra didn't think he could win he did it because he was pissed. This is a complete lie. The 6 pool was pre-planned for Jungle Basin, and it almost worked. | ||
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