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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
December 13 2011 13:13 GMT
#241
On December 13 2011 22:10 jojo311 wrote:
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On December 13 2011 22:01 namste wrote:
A lot of discussion between Mr. Chae and the other casters on twitter atm.


I can understand korean and the discussion is nothing with this naniwa.


There was some talk about imjaedok as in Nestea, but my korean vocabulary is really awful so couldn't actually understand much :/
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33397 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#242
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


ZLATAN
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#243
stephano did the exact same thing in a match that actually mattered, yet no one gave a shit. gotta love double standards
naniwa fighting!!!
Ignight
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#244
On December 13 2011 22:02 Kappa09 wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:58 gregnog wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote:
I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports just to see how wrong Naniwa was. How would you feel if the Green Bay Packers were 0-12 (obviously not true, so can't offend anyone) in the season and obviously had no chance of making the playoffs/superbowl, and then they went on to purposely lose their remaining games by sitting on the sidelines or just screwing around in front of thousands of live spectators and millions of spectators watching on television. Their fans and football fans alike would be absolutely outraged and this would be completely unacceptable. Do you think it's fair for everyone involved with the team or game that they weren't shown a true game like they were promised?


Do you watch the NFL? You actually described what DOSE happen. When a team gos 12-0 or 0-12 they start pulling players to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also the fans KNOW and UNDERSTAND that the game is meaningless, the ratings show it. On the Sportscenters and related shows all of them understand the game was meaningless, they repeat it over and over, barely skimming it over. Your comparison is very misguided.


Actually no I explained it perfectly. There is a big difference between not putting out your full effort and completely throwing the game or not playing it at all. The fans go into a game like that expecting it to not be the best quality game because it doesn't mean anything. However, that doesn't give the team or players the right to just completely screw around or blow it off. There is a fine line between the two, that you are missing and you clearly are the misguided one. This is true for any sport.


The only difference I see between the two is one is sugar-coated fantasy and one is just the plain ugly truth. The fine line is an illusion. Maybe he should have done some Hail Mary but the idea behind it is the same.
For great Justice!
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#245
On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


ZLATAN

oh god it all makes sense now
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CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:15:25
December 13 2011 13:14 GMT
#246
are there translations of the mr chae and Ahn Jun-young tweets yet?
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
December 13 2011 13:15 GMT
#247
On December 13 2011 22:12 synaptik wrote:
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On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream


We are dedicated fans, much like canadians making exuses for Huk when he loses. That aside I think nani shoulsve at least proxy 2gated.
Dont tase me bro
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
December 13 2011 13:15 GMT
#248
On December 13 2011 21:53 gregnog wrote:
They shouldn't force meaningless games on "professionals". Do any of you even watch real sports? What do professional teams do at the tail end of a season when their playoff destiny's have already been decided...? They swap out the top players with the second string, usually auto losing the rest of the games. It is completely standard. Stop pretending like this matters in the slightest. Blame it on bad formatting for this tournament and nothing more.


In the UK, Premier League teams have been fined a lot of money for fielding "weaker" teams. I understand that this is partly due to betting though, so I'm not sure you can compare this directly with more established sports.

Also, why are people comparing this to other cheeses? The whole point is that Naniwa didn't put any effort in at all to win that game... at least with a 6 pool or proxy you have to build a building, and you still micro after that.
rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
December 13 2011 13:15 GMT
#249
On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


ZLATAN

well played
"Love every protoss unit" - oGsMC
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
December 13 2011 13:15 GMT
#250
On December 13 2011 22:15 Letall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:12 synaptik wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream


We are dedicated fans, much like canadians making exuses for Huk when he loses. That aside I think nani shoulsve at least proxy 2gated.

3 nexsus before gate imo:>
kfour
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States106 Posts
December 13 2011 13:16 GMT
#251
On December 13 2011 22:14 Sackings wrote:
stephano did the exact same thing in a match that actually mattered, yet no one gave a shit. gotta love double standards


I don't really have an opinion either way, but dont you think it was pretty bad timing for him to screw around like this? (new team, bit of controversy, etc)
babyToSS
Profile Joined December 2009
233 Posts
December 13 2011 13:16 GMT
#252
Saw the whole thing live. What Naniwa did was incredibly immature and unaccetible. I hope he gets some sort of penalty for that. Disrespectful to SC2 fans, Nestea and Gom. I feel sorry for people who paid to watch the tournament and were anticipating the match-up. Yea he was having a bad day but that is no excuse, needs to take a lesson from LiquidHero who stuck it out and gave his best instead of quitting.

Also people need to stop comparing him to Idra. Idra is BM towards cheesy/all in opponents and out-spoken but he never really insults his fans and tourney organizers intentionally like that. In fact if you have ever met him at a live event he one of the more awesome pros always interacting with fans in between games. Korean reaction is totally justified. Would have been better if they had given Stephano a second shot in Group B.

For those in doubt, Naniwa pretty much a moved his probes in Nestea's main and took his hands off the keyboard.
babyToSS here! Can u go easy on me plzzz?
Kittenlol
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden2 Posts
December 13 2011 13:16 GMT
#253
On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


ZLATAN

Touché
pretty boys with their sunshine faces, carrying their heads down
Miketorreza
Profile Joined April 2011
United States26 Posts
December 13 2011 13:16 GMT
#254
To all of the people saying the game was meaningless, even though it didn't affect the standings in the tournament IT WAS A HIGHLY ANTICIPATED MATCH. The casters were hyping it up, Quantic Gaming's twitter was hyping it up, people were looking forward to this rematch. Naniwa just a+moved his workers, took his hands off the keyboard, and spit in the face of everyone involved in, and everyone watching, this HIGHLY PRESTIGIOUS LAST TOURNAMENT OF THE YEAR.

He is a despicable, childish, and selfish human being.
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China496 Posts
December 13 2011 13:16 GMT
#255
On December 13 2011 22:02 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:58 KeksX wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:56 Usagi wrote:
Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays.

Care to elaborate? What did he say about replays? In what context?


he didnt practice with his teamhouse members iirc.
he said it in a recent interview.
and it was proved when mvp said that his gf sent him vods of his stream to study.


MVP's gf recorded stephano's stream on her phone, has nothing to do with vods or koreans being sneaky
Quyn
Profile Joined October 2011
10 Posts
December 13 2011 13:16 GMT
#256
On December 13 2011 22:02 Kappa09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:58 gregnog wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote:
I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports just to see how wrong Naniwa was. How would you feel if the Green Bay Packers were 0-12 (obviously not true, so can't offend anyone) in the season and obviously had no chance of making the playoffs/superbowl, and then they went on to purposely lose their remaining games by sitting on the sidelines or just screwing around in front of thousands of live spectators and millions of spectators watching on television. Their fans and football fans alike would be absolutely outraged and this would be completely unacceptable. Do you think it's fair for everyone involved with the team or game that they weren't shown a true game like they were promised?


Do you watch the NFL? You actually described what DOSE happen. When a team gos 12-0 or 0-12 they start pulling players to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also the fans KNOW and UNDERSTAND that the game is meaningless, the ratings show it. On the Sportscenters and related shows all of them understand the game was meaningless, they repeat it over and over, barely skimming it over. Your comparison is very misguided.


Actually no I explained it perfectly. There is a big difference between not putting out your full effort and completely throwing the game or not playing it at all. The fans go into a game like that expecting it to not be the best quality game because it doesn't mean anything. However, that doesn't give the team or players the right to just completely screw around or blow it off. There is a fine line between the two, that you are missing and you clearly are the misguided one. This is true for any sport.


how can you be serious about comparing a team sport with one individual gamer.
of course b-teamers will give their very best, because it is an oppurtunity for them to show off their skills. but do the managers really care about it? man city vs munich is a good example of it actually. hoeneß sat next to that other guy looking as he would rather want to fall asleep or take a nice dinner.
nani can't just replace himself with his own bteam-nani and put in the effort to show that his second character tries. sounds a bit schizophrenic, eh?

just keep that comparison out of the game = thanks. you could try to argue with tennis or golf, however. if players are not able to play or don't want to play, the would just forfeit a match. you never really get to know if that player was sick or anything
Me all in, he drone drone drone, me win. - oGsMC
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
December 13 2011 13:17 GMT
#257
On December 13 2011 22:12 synaptik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream


imagine the viewer count! and the drama! *drools*
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Ponchey
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden89 Posts
December 13 2011 13:17 GMT
#258
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


Don't worry. We have the incredible well-mannered ThorZaiN to counter Naniwa. They're like our "good cop, bad cops".
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
December 13 2011 13:17 GMT
#259
On December 13 2011 22:15 rushian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.


ZLATAN

well played

indeed
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 13:17:28
December 13 2011 13:17 GMT
#260
On December 13 2011 22:15 jianming wrote:
Also, why are people comparing this to other cheeses? The whole point is that Naniwa didn't put any effort in at all to win that game... at least with a 6 pool or proxy you have to build a building, and you still micro after that.

You can 6pool without any effort, too. And people already did that, too.
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