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On December 13 2011 22:10 jojo311 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:01 namste wrote: A lot of discussion between Mr. Chae and the other casters on twitter atm. I can understand korean and the discussion is nothing with this naniwa.
There was some talk about imjaedok as in Nestea, but my korean vocabulary is really awful so couldn't actually understand much :/
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On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.
ZLATAN
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stephano did the exact same thing in a match that actually mattered, yet no one gave a shit. gotta love double standards
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On December 13 2011 22:02 Kappa09 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:58 gregnog wrote:On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote: I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports just to see how wrong Naniwa was. How would you feel if the Green Bay Packers were 0-12 (obviously not true, so can't offend anyone) in the season and obviously had no chance of making the playoffs/superbowl, and then they went on to purposely lose their remaining games by sitting on the sidelines or just screwing around in front of thousands of live spectators and millions of spectators watching on television. Their fans and football fans alike would be absolutely outraged and this would be completely unacceptable. Do you think it's fair for everyone involved with the team or game that they weren't shown a true game like they were promised? Do you watch the NFL? You actually described what DOSE happen. When a team gos 12-0 or 0-12 they start pulling players to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also the fans KNOW and UNDERSTAND that the game is meaningless, the ratings show it. On the Sportscenters and related shows all of them understand the game was meaningless, they repeat it over and over, barely skimming it over. Your comparison is very misguided. Actually no I explained it perfectly. There is a big difference between not putting out your full effort and completely throwing the game or not playing it at all. The fans go into a game like that expecting it to not be the best quality game because it doesn't mean anything. However, that doesn't give the team or players the right to just completely screw around or blow it off. There is a fine line between the two, that you are missing and you clearly are the misguided one. This is true for any sport.
The only difference I see between the two is one is sugar-coated fantasy and one is just the plain ugly truth. The fine line is an illusion. Maybe he should have done some Hail Mary but the idea behind it is the same.
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On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. ZLATAN oh god it all makes sense now
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are there translations of the mr chae and Ahn Jun-young tweets yet?
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On December 13 2011 22:12 synaptik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream
We are dedicated fans, much like canadians making exuses for Huk when he loses. That aside I think nani shoulsve at least proxy 2gated.
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On December 13 2011 21:53 gregnog wrote: They shouldn't force meaningless games on "professionals". Do any of you even watch real sports? What do professional teams do at the tail end of a season when their playoff destiny's have already been decided...? They swap out the top players with the second string, usually auto losing the rest of the games. It is completely standard. Stop pretending like this matters in the slightest. Blame it on bad formatting for this tournament and nothing more.
In the UK, Premier League teams have been fined a lot of money for fielding "weaker" teams. I understand that this is partly due to betting though, so I'm not sure you can compare this directly with more established sports.
Also, why are people comparing this to other cheeses? The whole point is that Naniwa didn't put any effort in at all to win that game... at least with a 6 pool or proxy you have to build a building, and you still micro after that.
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On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. ZLATAN well played
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On December 13 2011 22:15 Letall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:12 synaptik wrote:On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream We are dedicated fans, much like canadians making exuses for Huk when he loses. That aside I think nani shoulsve at least proxy 2gated. 3 nexsus before gate imo:>
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On December 13 2011 22:14 Sackings wrote: stephano did the exact same thing in a match that actually mattered, yet no one gave a shit. gotta love double standards
I don't really have an opinion either way, but dont you think it was pretty bad timing for him to screw around like this? (new team, bit of controversy, etc)
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Saw the whole thing live. What Naniwa did was incredibly immature and unaccetible. I hope he gets some sort of penalty for that. Disrespectful to SC2 fans, Nestea and Gom. I feel sorry for people who paid to watch the tournament and were anticipating the match-up. Yea he was having a bad day but that is no excuse, needs to take a lesson from LiquidHero who stuck it out and gave his best instead of quitting.
Also people need to stop comparing him to Idra. Idra is BM towards cheesy/all in opponents and out-spoken but he never really insults his fans and tourney organizers intentionally like that. In fact if you have ever met him at a live event he one of the more awesome pros always interacting with fans in between games. Korean reaction is totally justified. Would have been better if they had given Stephano a second shot in Group B.
For those in doubt, Naniwa pretty much a moved his probes in Nestea's main and took his hands off the keyboard.
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On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. ZLATAN Touché
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To all of the people saying the game was meaningless, even though it didn't affect the standings in the tournament IT WAS A HIGHLY ANTICIPATED MATCH. The casters were hyping it up, Quantic Gaming's twitter was hyping it up, people were looking forward to this rematch. Naniwa just a+moved his workers, took his hands off the keyboard, and spit in the face of everyone involved in, and everyone watching, this HIGHLY PRESTIGIOUS LAST TOURNAMENT OF THE YEAR.
He is a despicable, childish, and selfish human being.
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On December 13 2011 22:02 jjhchsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:58 KeksX wrote:On December 13 2011 21:56 Usagi wrote: Koreans taking things too personal when they can be the most backstabbing and untrusty people. Like Stephano said, that he didnt trust them with replays. Care to elaborate? What did he say about replays? In what context? he didnt practice with his teamhouse members iirc. he said it in a recent interview. and it was proved when mvp said that his gf sent him vods of his stream to study.
MVP's gf recorded stephano's stream on her phone, has nothing to do with vods or koreans being sneaky
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On December 13 2011 22:02 Kappa09 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:58 gregnog wrote:On December 13 2011 21:53 Kappa09 wrote: I don't get the attitude of the people here. Try to make a real world comparison to main stream sports just to see how wrong Naniwa was. How would you feel if the Green Bay Packers were 0-12 (obviously not true, so can't offend anyone) in the season and obviously had no chance of making the playoffs/superbowl, and then they went on to purposely lose their remaining games by sitting on the sidelines or just screwing around in front of thousands of live spectators and millions of spectators watching on television. Their fans and football fans alike would be absolutely outraged and this would be completely unacceptable. Do you think it's fair for everyone involved with the team or game that they weren't shown a true game like they were promised? Do you watch the NFL? You actually described what DOSE happen. When a team gos 12-0 or 0-12 they start pulling players to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also the fans KNOW and UNDERSTAND that the game is meaningless, the ratings show it. On the Sportscenters and related shows all of them understand the game was meaningless, they repeat it over and over, barely skimming it over. Your comparison is very misguided. Actually no I explained it perfectly. There is a big difference between not putting out your full effort and completely throwing the game or not playing it at all. The fans go into a game like that expecting it to not be the best quality game because it doesn't mean anything. However, that doesn't give the team or players the right to just completely screw around or blow it off. There is a fine line between the two, that you are missing and you clearly are the misguided one. This is true for any sport.
how can you be serious about comparing a team sport with one individual gamer. of course b-teamers will give their very best, because it is an oppurtunity for them to show off their skills. but do the managers really care about it? man city vs munich is a good example of it actually. hoeneß sat next to that other guy looking as he would rather want to fall asleep or take a nice dinner. nani can't just replace himself with his own bteam-nani and put in the effort to show that his second character tries. sounds a bit schizophrenic, eh? just keep that comparison out of the game = thanks. you could try to argue with tennis or golf, however. if players are not able to play or don't want to play, the would just forfeit a match. you never really get to know if that player was sick or anything
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On December 13 2011 22:12 synaptik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. some of these swedish fans would still defending if he murdered nestea on a livestream
imagine the viewer count! and the drama! *drools*
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On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have.
Don't worry. We have the incredible well-mannered ThorZaiN to counter Naniwa. They're like our "good cop, bad cops".
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On December 13 2011 22:15 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:14 Waxangel wrote:On December 13 2011 21:52 LittLeD wrote: The fact that so many Swedes defend this behaviour is embarrassing to say the least. Naniwa is the worst kind of representative a country could ever have. ZLATAN well played indeed
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On December 13 2011 22:15 jianming wrote: Also, why are people comparing this to other cheeses? The whole point is that Naniwa didn't put any effort in at all to win that game... at least with a 6 pool or proxy you have to build a building, and you still micro after that. You can 6pool without any effort, too. And people already did that, too.
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