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LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 07:58 GMT
#1
My first blog post was kind of about this topic. I can home from work after I had been horribly chewed out for helping. Mind boggling, I know. I work in a family restaurant. The owner has employed one of his sons as general manager of this place. The owner needs anger management. This much it clear. His son also needs anger management. If a minor mistake happens, either of them will swear. They will not limit their vocab, aka I hear fuck multiple time a day. They talk down to us. They make low personal attacks to some. The GM asked some server why she isn't in a good mood all the time, which isn't true. He said that we she's mad, everyone is mad, completely singling her out in front of others. The GM yelled at a 16 year old kid today and he was visibly shaking afterwards. They have created an environment of fear and some of us have just had it. Does anyone have any information of what we can do? I know there are labor laws that protect us against stuff like this. I've told a some collective of us to start documenting everything that is said. I have no idea how sympathetic the state or whomever will be. I know they tend to support businesses, but really, the level that it's at is just completely unacceptable and no one should be put through it. You may say, just go find another job. That is not easy right now. I make a decent wage that I wouldn't make anywhere else. I have rent to pay and so does everyone else. We NEED these jobs and that's why it's completely unacceptable to be treated the way we are. We are fed up. So please, any help on this matter is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 10 2011 08:09 GMT
#2
I won't say "just find another job" because that suggests it's easy. I will say "find another job" because that's what you need to do in this case. If you NEED the job, then start applying everywhere. McDonalds, Target, Walmart, the gas station, etc. If those jobs seem less appealing than getting verbally abused at work, then reconsider your stance on how bad it is.

I don't know what legal moves you can make on the business but I would guess there are none. I've never heard of yelling at someone being against the law. Leave on a positive note and go get another job. Don't make the mistake of telling them to F off because your future employers may contact them. Just do yourself a favor and move on quietly. If everyone did that, they wouldn't have a business because no one would work for them.
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 08:11 GMT
#3
On December 10 2011 17:09 Rad wrote:
I won't say "just find another job" because that suggests it's easy. I will say "find another job" because that's what you need to do in this case. If you NEED the job, then start applying everywhere. McDonalds, Target, Walmart, the gas station, etc. If those jobs seem less appealing than getting verbally abused at work, then reconsider your stance on how bad it is.

I don't know what legal moves you can make on the business but I would guess there are none. I've never heard of yelling at someone being against the law. Leave on a positive note and go get another job. Don't make the mistake of telling them to F off because your future employers may contact them. Just do yourself a favor and move on quietly. If everyone did that, they wouldn't have a business because no one would work for them.

Perhaps not yelling, but swearing at employees is a serious no no. There are labor laws that should protect us. We have rights as employees. And normally I would just move on, but I feel so strongly about this. I can't let it go.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 10 2011 08:17 GMT
#4
On December 10 2011 17:11 LambtrOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:09 Rad wrote:
I won't say "just find another job" because that suggests it's easy. I will say "find another job" because that's what you need to do in this case. If you NEED the job, then start applying everywhere. McDonalds, Target, Walmart, the gas station, etc. If those jobs seem less appealing than getting verbally abused at work, then reconsider your stance on how bad it is.

I don't know what legal moves you can make on the business but I would guess there are none. I've never heard of yelling at someone being against the law. Leave on a positive note and go get another job. Don't make the mistake of telling them to F off because your future employers may contact them. Just do yourself a favor and move on quietly. If everyone did that, they wouldn't have a business because no one would work for them.

Perhaps not yelling, but swearing at employees is a serious no no. There are labor laws that should protect us. We have rights as employees. And normally I would just move on, but I feel so strongly about this. I can't let it go.


Like I said, I'm no expert on the law so maybe there is something there to protect you from this. However, I doubt it, unless it dips into something serious like sexual harassment or racism.

With that said, I still recommend that what's best for you is to just move on and better yourself with a new job. Try not to waste time on people who are worthless and just worry about bettering yourself.
Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
December 10 2011 08:19 GMT
#5
Hostile Work Environment
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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:28:38
December 10 2011 08:23 GMT
#6
On December 10 2011 17:19 Trowabarton756 wrote:
Hostile Work Environment


Doesn't appear to match this description:

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/understanding-workplace-harassment-fcc-staff

Hostile work environment harassment occurs when unwelcome comments or conduct based on sex, race or other legally protected characteristics unreasonably interferes with an employee’s work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.


Not sure what falls under "other legally protected characteristics" though.

Also, this...

What is Not Harassment?
The anti-discrimination statutes are not a general civility code. Thus, federal law does not prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not extremely serious. Rather, the conduct must be so objectively offensive as to alter the conditions of the individual’s employment. The conditions of employment are altered only if the harassment culminates in a tangible employment action or is sufficiently severe or pervasive to create a hostile work environment.

Report any incident of harassment immediately to your supervisor, any member of management and/or to the Director of the Office of Workplace Diversity.


...suggests that as described, the situation would have to be deemed "sufficiently severe or pervasive", which would probably take some high level lawyer work.
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 08:29 GMT
#7
Yeah, I googled it and I'm not finding anything too helpful for our case. Apparently, "this is not prohibited harassment or a hostile work environment unless your manager is treating you adversely because of your age (if over 40), race, gender, national origin, religion, handicap, or some other protected characteristic." This is unfortunate. I guess we'll just have to plan a mass walk out
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 10 2011 08:31 GMT
#8
You'd be surprised how quickly people will change when you put their business at jeopardy

Just realize if you do something like that, if they go hire a bunch of other people, you're out of a job and out of a reference. Your choice though, could be fun/rewarding XD
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 08:44 GMT
#9
On December 10 2011 17:31 Rad wrote:
You'd be surprised how quickly people will change when you put their business at jeopardy

Just realize if you do something like that, if they go hire a bunch of other people, you're out of a job and out of a reference. Your choice though, could be fun/rewarding XD

Yep. I'm fully aware of the consequences. I'd line something up first. Trust me. It's worth it. The turn over rate is so high. They would struggle to fill those jobs in a timely manner. Only problem is I don't really want to hurt the people that can't afford to quit and just need to job. Tricky little scenario.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 10 2011 08:44 GMT
#10
On December 10 2011 17:29 LambtrOn wrote:
This is unfortunate. I guess we'll just have to plan a mass walk out


Be careful the others dont backstab you and decide to just stick it out!
It sucks what some people can get away with, but what he is doing is technically not illegal, afaik
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Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:48:35
December 10 2011 08:48 GMT
#11
On December 10 2011 17:11 LambtrOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:09 Rad wrote:
I won't say "just find another job" because that suggests it's easy. I will say "find another job" because that's what you need to do in this case. If you NEED the job, then start applying everywhere. McDonalds, Target, Walmart, the gas station, etc. If those jobs seem less appealing than getting verbally abused at work, then reconsider your stance on how bad it is.

I don't know what legal moves you can make on the business but I would guess there are none. I've never heard of yelling at someone being against the law. Leave on a positive note and go get another job. Don't make the mistake of telling them to F off because your future employers may contact them. Just do yourself a favor and move on quietly. If everyone did that, they wouldn't have a business because no one would work for them.

Perhaps not yelling, but swearing at employees is a serious no no. There are labor laws that should protect us. We have rights as employees. And normally I would just move on, but I feel so strongly about this. I can't let it go.


I don't think I would want to work in a place where I couldn't throw out the occasional fuck or shit. People take swear words way to seriously. Maybe my work is a lot more laid back than most. During Veteran's Day my co-workers had beers during lunch. One of them took out a gun and we had a lot of fun taking it apart and talking about different kinds of bullets. Afterwards we left early and my boss took some circular pieces of cardboard on which to test the choke of his new shotgun. I personally just went home for the day, but I find that kind of an environment a lot of fun. I guess it would be different in a more hostile environment, but saying fuck and bitch doesn't make the workplace hostile. The context and meaning behind the words makes the place hostile.
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LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 08:51 GMT
#12
On December 10 2011 17:48 Frozenhelfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:11 LambtrOn wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:09 Rad wrote:
I won't say "just find another job" because that suggests it's easy. I will say "find another job" because that's what you need to do in this case. If you NEED the job, then start applying everywhere. McDonalds, Target, Walmart, the gas station, etc. If those jobs seem less appealing than getting verbally abused at work, then reconsider your stance on how bad it is.

I don't know what legal moves you can make on the business but I would guess there are none. I've never heard of yelling at someone being against the law. Leave on a positive note and go get another job. Don't make the mistake of telling them to F off because your future employers may contact them. Just do yourself a favor and move on quietly. If everyone did that, they wouldn't have a business because no one would work for them.

Perhaps not yelling, but swearing at employees is a serious no no. There are labor laws that should protect us. We have rights as employees. And normally I would just move on, but I feel so strongly about this. I can't let it go.


I don't think I would want to work in a place where I couldn't throw out the occasional fuck or shit. People take swear words way to seriously. Maybe my work is a lot more laid back than most. During Veteran's Day my co-workers had beers during lunch. One of them took out a gun and we had a lot of fun taking it apart and talking about different kinds of bullets. Afterwards we left early and my boss took some circular pieces of cardboard on which to test the choke of his new shotgun. I personally just went home for the day, but I find that kind of an environment a lot of fun. I guess it would be different in a more hostile environment, but saying fuck and bitch doesn't make the workplace hostile. The context and meaning behind the words makes the place hostile.

There's lot of caual swearing which I have no problem with. It's the, "Get your fucking head in the game!" "How many fucking things are we going to fuck up tonight?" That's the stuff I have a problem with.
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
December 10 2011 09:02 GMT
#13
On December 10 2011 17:48 Frozenhelfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:11 LambtrOn wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:09 Rad wrote:
I won't say "just find another job" because that suggests it's easy. I will say "find another job" because that's what you need to do in this case. If you NEED the job, then start applying everywhere. McDonalds, Target, Walmart, the gas station, etc. If those jobs seem less appealing than getting verbally abused at work, then reconsider your stance on how bad it is.

I don't know what legal moves you can make on the business but I would guess there are none. I've never heard of yelling at someone being against the law. Leave on a positive note and go get another job. Don't make the mistake of telling them to F off because your future employers may contact them. Just do yourself a favor and move on quietly. If everyone did that, they wouldn't have a business because no one would work for them.

Perhaps not yelling, but swearing at employees is a serious no no. There are labor laws that should protect us. We have rights as employees. And normally I would just move on, but I feel so strongly about this. I can't let it go.


I don't think I would want to work in a place where I couldn't throw out the occasional fuck or shit. People take swear words way to seriously. Maybe my work is a lot more laid back than most. During Veteran's Day my co-workers had beers during lunch. One of them took out a gun and we had a lot of fun taking it apart and talking about different kinds of bullets. Afterwards we left early and my boss took some circular pieces of cardboard on which to test the choke of his new shotgun. I personally just went home for the day, but I find that kind of an environment a lot of fun. I guess it would be different in a more hostile environment, but saying fuck and bitch doesn't make the workplace hostile. The context and meaning behind the words makes the place hostile.



You realize there's a huge difference between searing, and swearing at someone?
Excomm
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
December 10 2011 09:02 GMT
#14
I've had 2 or 3 bosses that think they can run a business through intimidation. Some people do it because they think they are paying their workers too much for what they do. Other people do it because they think it makes it easy for them to keep the employees down and so that they will not ask for raises.

I don't know your particular situation, but I'll say what works for me in these situations.

If you don't feel you are performing up to the bosses' standards, then you probably aren't confident enough to confront him and you might lose your job because of it. In this case if you can't stand the job, then try to find a new job while showing up to work. As long as you show up and do something, then you should feel secure about your job.

If you feel you have been contributing more than the other employees then I would confront the boss and ask him if he would consider talking to you about a pay raise or a promotion. You will immediately be able to tell how much your work is valued by his/her reaction. If they go off on you then you will never get anything out of your job anyway, so best to look for another one. If the boss values you as an employee then they might be willing to negotiate with you.

Keep in mind that an employer can pretty much do whatever they want to you at your job because they are paying you money to be there and do what they want (as long as it is not illegal). If they want to yell at you they can because they are paying you to be yelled at and wasting their own money by doing so (I find it to be hilarious). What you are describing is not an unusual situation in the workplace. If you really need the money and have no other options, you should suck it up and hope that it gets better. If it doesn't and you can't stand your job, then look for another one. Protesting or walking out is unlikely to change anything. Keep in mind that there are plenty of other people that are willing to pay for your time and you should use it you see fit.
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 09:21:17
December 10 2011 09:20 GMT
#15
On December 10 2011 18:02 Excomm wrote:
I've had 2 or 3 bosses that think they can run a business through intimidation. Some people do it because they think they are paying their workers too much for what they do. Other people do it because they think it makes it easy for them to keep the employees down and so that they will not ask for raises.

I don't know your particular situation, but I'll say what works for me in these situations.

If you don't feel you are performing up to the bosses' standards, then you probably aren't confident enough to confront him and you might lose your job because of it. In this case if you can't stand the job, then try to find a new job while showing up to work. As long as you show up and do something, then you should feel secure about your job.

If you feel you have been contributing more than the other employees then I would confront the boss and ask him if he would consider talking to you about a pay raise or a promotion. You will immediately be able to tell how much your work is valued by his/her reaction. If they go off on you then you will never get anything out of your job anyway, so best to look for another one. If the boss values you as an employee then they might be willing to negotiate with you.

Keep in mind that an employer can pretty much do whatever they want to you at your job because they are paying you money to be there and do what they want (as long as it is not illegal). If they want to yell at you they can because they are paying you to be yelled at and wasting their own money by doing so (I find it to be hilarious). What you are describing is not an unusual situation in the workplace. If you really need the money and have no other options, you should suck it up and hope that it gets better. If it doesn't and you can't stand your job, then look for another one. Protesting or walking out is unlikely to change anything. Keep in mind that there are plenty of other people that are willing to pay for your time and you should use it you see fit.

This is some damn good advice. Thank you. I'm personally treated really, really well. The GM really likes me. I'm kind of his go to guy for my position. I actually can't get any more raises. I'm at the cap. He actually raised the cap 2 months ago. Didn't even think that was possible. But it really, really, really bothers me to hear someone else get yelled it. We increase our sales dramatically in the summer and that means more employees which means more managers. They usually look for good employees to hire as summer managers. I could always ask. I think I do a really good job (swt brg bro). But seriously, I have put a lot of time and effort into this job. If I do something, I want to do it right. So I think I'll see how things go for a bit and then ask. Maybe not for an answer, but as you said, just to see the reaction. This has also got me thinking about me talking to him about his anger. That is definitely just an idea right now. Not sure my standing with him is good enough. The man scares me, to be honest. I would definitely need some help on how to approach that. The manager of my position and I have a very strong relationship. She is actually not part of the family. I've talked to her before about this and she completely understands. Pretty sure she needs the job though. I could ask her if she thinks that a good idea.

I also wanna say I really appreciate all the response! thank you!
Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
December 10 2011 09:26 GMT
#16
On December 10 2011 18:02 Pawsom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:48 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:11 LambtrOn wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:09 Rad wrote:
I won't say "just find another job" because that suggests it's easy. I will say "find another job" because that's what you need to do in this case. If you NEED the job, then start applying everywhere. McDonalds, Target, Walmart, the gas station, etc. If those jobs seem less appealing than getting verbally abused at work, then reconsider your stance on how bad it is.

I don't know what legal moves you can make on the business but I would guess there are none. I've never heard of yelling at someone being against the law. Leave on a positive note and go get another job. Don't make the mistake of telling them to F off because your future employers may contact them. Just do yourself a favor and move on quietly. If everyone did that, they wouldn't have a business because no one would work for them.

Perhaps not yelling, but swearing at employees is a serious no no. There are labor laws that should protect us. We have rights as employees. And normally I would just move on, but I feel so strongly about this. I can't let it go.


I don't think I would want to work in a place where I couldn't throw out the occasional fuck or shit. People take swear words way to seriously. Maybe my work is a lot more laid back than most. During Veteran's Day my co-workers had beers during lunch. One of them took out a gun and we had a lot of fun taking it apart and talking about different kinds of bullets. Afterwards we left early and my boss took some circular pieces of cardboard on which to test the choke of his new shotgun. I personally just went home for the day, but I find that kind of an environment a lot of fun. I guess it would be different in a more hostile environment, but saying fuck and bitch doesn't make the workplace hostile. The context and meaning behind the words makes the place hostile.



You realize there's a huge difference between searing, and swearing at someone?


From my post, no. The difference really depends on the context and meaning of what is being said. "Swear" words are merely different words. The actual message is what is important. You can say nice things with swear words and incredibly mean things without swear words.
polar bears are fluffy
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
December 10 2011 09:27 GMT
#17
I would tell him to stop being a fucking ass, if not for my sake then for his shitty restaurant's. Then keep talking back to him whenever he's a dick until he either gets it or fires me. Don't do what i do though im unemployed.
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 09:31 GMT
#18
I'd be fired on the spot. lol.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
December 10 2011 09:33 GMT
#19
On December 10 2011 18:27 nttea wrote:
I would tell him to stop being a fucking ass, if not for my sake then for his shitty restaurant's. Then keep talking back to him whenever he's a dick until he either gets it or fires me. Don't do what i do though im unemployed.


it's not that simple. being fired means you can't even use your former employer as a reference.

there isn't much of a choice for the OP. either search for another job while toughing it out in that shithole or take it. unskilled workers are easily replaced and hence don't have much power in those matters.
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LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 09:37 GMT
#20
Ugh.... people. They're the worst. This is the best representation of me possible.
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