EPTMy employer treats us like shit. - Page 2
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
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Myrtroll
139 Posts
Going behind their backs like you are thinking about will probably just make them more angry at you, and have a huge chance of backfiring on yourself depending on circumstances. You really should try to open up a dialogue or something first, maybe they are under a lot of stress and just aren't thinking right. (as you mentioned times are tough, not just for jobs, for restaurants as well) I get that you probably want some sort of payback after being yelled at, but stuff like this needs to be sorted with reason, or you just end up in a yelling match that nobody wins. So calming down and discussing it first is probably your best option. If that doesn't work I would look for other opportunities instead, it's generally not worth the trouble going all the way looking for law breaking stuff and making a fuss. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
You're looking for some sort of legal measure to take against your employer because you feel like he's too much of a hardass? Are you kidding? Is this your first job, or something? If you don't like the work environment, then leave. If you don't want to leave, then man up and talk to your boss. He'll either say a.) Go fuck yourself (which is probably what I would say. His house, his rules) b.) Or that he'll try to be nicer But no matter what you do, you're going to be putting yourself on his radar, which is not going to make your working life any easier than it is right now. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
I make a decent wage that I wouldn't make anywhere else Yeah, it sounds like he treats you like shit.... also +1 to everything mrbitter said , couldn't' have put it better myself, wtf? | ||
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bellweather
United States404 Posts
OR you can go the alternative that most people take: keep it bottled up until you find another job/get fired and tell your boss to go fuck himself with some large object. | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
On December 10 2011 21:15 MrBitter wrote: Dude, wtf? You're looking for some sort of legal measure to take against your employer because you feel like he's too much of a hardass? Are you kidding? Is this your first job, or something? If you don't like the work environment, then leave. If you don't want to leave, then man up and talk to your boss. He'll either say a.) Go fuck yourself (which is probably what I would say. His house, his rules) b.) Or that he'll try to be nicer But no matter what you do, you're going to be putting yourself on his radar, which is not going to make your working life any easier than it is right now. Yes, yes and YES! Welcome to the real world. Not every boss is a golden piece of sunshine, uplifting, or even nice. I'm a grad student and my boss is a total jerk. Never received a compliment, get yelled at once or twice a week, constantly made to feel like I know nothing or made a bad choice, he says bad things about other students to us/other faculty, trash talks other faculty in the department in front of us, is incredibly arrogant, and, all around, not a good or nice person at work. Want to know the funny thing? This is NOTHING compared to how things were 30-40 years ago before the bosses started getting sued. Just because they're "the boss" doesn't mean they have to be nice, mature, or even give a crap that you exist. He's there to manage all of you to make money most efficiently. Another example: my ex-girlfriend was working at an Arby's as a low level manager. The store manager was an ex-marine who was profiled as a serial killer. I guess he was proud about that and talked about it a lot. He constantly verbally harassed employees and at one point dragged one of them out of the stock freezer by her ankle. Ok, now we have assault. When my ex decided to quit she called upper management and reported all his actions. Interestingly, he was fired a week later. But it wasn't because he was a bully who treated his employees like garbage, it's because he was deleting their overtime hours, something that could have gotten him sued by the company. You said yourself that your manager created an atmosphere of fear. Sadly, this is a very effective tool to get the productivity they desire. If you don't like it then quit. | ||
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lantz
United States762 Posts
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THE_DOMINATOR
United States309 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:48 needcomputer wrote: be happy you have a job! No. This is what you can do. Start searching for another job on the side. If that looks like its going nowhere then you can get all the employees together(I assume they all feel like this) and have a sit down with the boss man. If that fails you can try and get your customers involved and make it known to your boss that your customers don't like it when he verbally abuses his employees. Of course you could also hire a lawyer and go after him for harassment which at best will get you a couple thousand, and probably fired? | ||
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:48 needcomputer wrote: be happy you have a job! He is supposed to be happy he is being verbally abused all day at work? are you shitting me? Sadly you have no recourse I think. Only option is the either talk to the manager and convince him to stop being a prick to his employees, or leave | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
For some reason there's a lot of employees who are like, when they don't like something they do whatever they can to find some legal issue in the way the business is run and attack it relentlessly. These people never hold a job for too long. | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
Don't attack him on his behavior but on how it negatively influences the rest and most importantly the business. For example, I can't imagine that if the 16 year old was really shaken by the yelling he got he could do a decent job for some time that day. Try to have him see how that isn't good for business and how if he does that to everybody it creates a negative spiral in which nobody wants to go the extra mile or comes to work smiling. A yelling now and again isn't such a bad thing and can really shake things up and keep everybody on their toes, but a yelling every hour isn't effective anymore. How to specifically approach him I can't say as I don't know your boss personally so that's something you have to decide for yourself. Perhaps a few subtle hints might work better but that's for you to decide. But whatever you do always stay respectful and polite. If he's a reasonable guy he might even set up a team meeting to talk about it but if not there's not much else you can do about it. Setting up a strike or something in this kind of family owned business is imo one of the worst things you can do. Confronted with that he will probably not back down and rather fire you all. There's always a chance (although very unlikely, I'll admit) he doesn't even realize the impact of his behavior or just can't help himself. If he can't help himself it might help the personnel to know he doesn't mean it as harsh as it sounds. | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:44 Servius_Fulvius wrote: You said yourself that your manager created an atmosphere of fear. Sadly, this is a very effective tool to get the productivity they desire. If you don't like it then quit. This is such crap. Bosses like to think this is true but in reality it simply doesn't work like that. The more scared you are the less your productivity is. A bit scared might help the productivity but there is a threshold. If you cross that and you employees don't like coming to their job anymore the productivity plummets. No matter how badly they need their job. This isn't even something the employees might do on purpose or even realize themselves but the simple fact is that if you have to think all the time about what terrible things will happen if you make even the tiniest mistake you just work slower and without any initiative. | ||
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blah_blah
346 Posts
I'm not blaming you, or saying that the owner and his son are not in the wrong, but you should realize that trying to discuss this with your owner or the owner's son like a rational, decent human being is very likely to have negative repercussions with regards to your continued employment. If you seriously want to escalate this and pursue damages for a hostile work environment or something similar you will want to contact a lawyer who works in labor law. This will certainly damage beyond repair the working relationship you have with the owner and with his son. Your best course of action, if you need the money and cannot afford to quit, is to keep your head down and to look for alternate employment in the meantime. I am not a lawyer. I am not your lawyer. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
I'm 99.9999999999999999% sure there is nothing illegal about this, and you just need to find a new job or possibly realize in stressful work environments sometimes people get mad........ Seriously like Bitter said, is this your first job? I'm totally baffled by this whole thread.... | ||
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buickskylark
Canada664 Posts
If you want to talk about employers with an anger problem then we should talk about mine. He's constantly talking shit about one of the guy's wife saying stuff like she's no good, basically calling her a whore, and trickling down to her kid (his step son). And everyday he's talking shit about everyone. | ||
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:29 Diamond wrote: If I sued every employer that got mad at me and swore, I'd have to had to sue every employer I have ever had. I'm 99.9999999999999999% sure there is nothing illegal about this, and you just need to find a new job or possibly realize in stressful work environments sometimes people get mad........ Seriously like Bitter said, is this your first job? I'm totally baffled by this whole thread.... Actually, yelling abuse at someone is illegal regardless whether you're his employer or not. Employee abuse is perfectly illegal, it's just that some business owners and managers don't care or don't know or they think they're above the system (and business does tend to promote psychos into management positions because they make good slave drivers). Workers don't know, hence they don't do anything about it. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:44 Servius_Fulvius wrote: Actually that is completly wrong if you run around afraid you'll never come close to the productivity of someone that has confident in what they are doing. If you use fear things will get done, but they will get done slowly and usually pretty damn poorly. Anyone whos been on the internet should be able to deal with these kinds of persons, they are weak small men that need to act big to hide the fact that they hate their life. . You said yourself that your manager created an atmosphere of fear. Sadly, this is a very effective tool to get the productivity they desire. If you don't like it then quit. | ||
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