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On November 26 2011 00:31 Fruscainte wrote:Even Anet says they don't want to do it. Competition is what makes a good game, and WoW should be the competition. Anyone who says that they are going to "kill WoW' is fooling themselves, just look at the past few MMO's in the recent years. GW2 has outright stated multiple times that they are NOT a WoW killer. They are their own game, with their own formula and their own strategy.
That's exactly why they gonna kill wow.
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Based on my MMORPG experience...
Don't play any Nexon games; just look at Maplestory or Combat Arms. If you don't hack you're behind everybody else; in every Combat Arms games there's at least one hacker; and Maplestory probably has more people leeching/botting then real players (based off experience)
I would try SW:TOR, because it seems fun, even if it is kinda a WoW-Clone 
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On November 26 2011 02:05 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 00:31 Fruscainte wrote:On November 25 2011 22:34 KeksX wrote:
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Even Anet says they don't want to do it. Competition is what makes a good game, and WoW should be the competition. Anyone who says that they are going to "kill WoW' is fooling themselves, just look at the past few MMO's in the recent years. GW2 has outright stated multiple times that they are NOT a WoW killer. They are their own game, with their own formula and their own strategy. That's exactly why they gonna kill wow.
No
Stop that
Stop that right now.
That's the WORST attitude to have with a game. It's like with good FPS games saying "WE'RE GOING TO BE THE COD KILLER LOL" It's the most inane thing in the world to say. Not only is it IMPOSSIBLE to do, but it's extremely childish to say. GW2 is not about being a WoW killer. GW2 is about being its own game, with its own system, its own bonus' and flaws. Anything that is "like WoW" is what is in EVERY MMO ever since Everquest and the like (those were the days  ). This stigma of "WoW killers" needs to die. The only thing that will kill WoW is itself or another MMO by Blizzard.
I don't even want WoW to die. I WANT competition. When your MMO is the only one in the market, you get complacent. When you have to compete to reach the top with another extremely popular MMO, that's when the best content for customers comes out of both companies.
Keep in mind, at one point, GW1 had more subs than WoW with like 7-8 million. The competition is there, just look at Mists of Pandaria. I mean, no auto attack class, "PvE scenarios"? Shit's heating up yo
On November 26 2011 02:42 Cyclone999 wrote:Based on my MMORPG experience... Don't play any Nexon games; just look at Maplestory or Combat Arms. If you don't hack you're behind everybody else; in every Combat Arms games there's at least one hacker; and Maplestory probably has more people leeching/botting then real players (based off experience) I would try SW:TOR, because it seems fun, even if it is kinda a WoW-Clone
Nexon isn't making the game, they're marketing it. ArenaNet is making the game.
Just on the same token, like Battlefield 3 wasn't made by EA -- it was marketed by them for comparisons sake.
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On November 26 2011 02:58 Gann1 wrote:project 1999 PvP server just came up last week! If you liked classic EQ or if it seems interesting to you. http://www.project1999.org/
Yes
Fuck yes.
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On November 26 2011 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
Keep in mind, at one point, GW1 had more subs than WoW with like 7-8 million.
GW1 had 0 subs and at that point the game cost an equivalent to about two months of WoW-time.
I predict GW2 to launch fairly well, maybe 1-3m units sold first month, get launched in Asia and spike to about 4m active players, then dwindle to around 500k-1m after roughly 3-4 months. A few server merges later the player base will settle around 400k with 100k concurrent at timezone peak.
Not bad, but not good either. My figures are based on an estimation that Pandaria is launched shortly after GW2.
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On November 25 2011 08:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 05:43 EEhantiming wrote:
yea, they really ruined a great game The company is in complete shambles at the moment. They are in re-model mode: Show nested quote +
Dear players,
Thank you all for taking the time to read this letter. I’m Min Kim. I’m one of the founders of Nexon America and I’ve been with Nexon since 2003. MapleStory veterans may remember me from the early days of MapleStory Global. Since 2007 I’ve been working on things like our prepaid cards, marketing, and free-to-play evangelism efforts. Unfortunately, that has taken me away from what I enjoy most – working on our games and services.
Just recently however, Nexon America has made some internal changes and I am honored to announce that I will be back at the helm of our game services in my new role as Nexon America’s head of Live Games. There are a lot of changes coming and I’m going to tell you about some of the big things happening at Nexon over the next year.
The purpose of Live Games is to better monitor and manage our production, marketing, and communication efforts. It’s closely integrated with the rest of Nexon America and our developers in Korea. In fact, I just came back from a Korean trip to meet with all of our developers and trust me when I say that we’ve got some really cool and exciting things coming up from some of the best game makers in the world.
More important than a new structure, exciting content and cool games though, is our renewed commitment to show you the best in us. We’re planning many improvements at Nexon America both internally and in the games we service, but when considered together, they all stem from the same idea – getting back to basics. To you, our loyal customers, Nexon’s back to basics focus will provide:
• Better and more frequent communications with our players
• Increased reliability and stability of our game services
• Better Web and game experiences
• Improving game security
• Improving the quality of our customer service
• Providing the best content and support for both existing and upcoming games
We hope you can put your faith in us to bring you the play you deserve.
It took them long enough to even address it. -_-;; Anyway, if you really want to get enthralled in a MMO I recommend you check out each company and community before playing. SCDPetrify, Based off your answers I would play on a private lineage server or Ragnork. Yes, they aren't the newest but a lot of the new ones are knock-offs of other F2P/subscription based games and not what you are really looking for.
Nexon just partnered with Perfect World to publish MMORPGs in Korea.
Nexon America is also dumping a lot of money into developing social games. So I'm not entirely sure how long they're going to address their US MMO problems. :0
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On November 26 2011 06:43 Thrill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 02:43 Fruscainte wrote:
Keep in mind, at one point, GW1 had more subs than WoW with like 7-8 million. GW1 had 0 subs and at that point the game cost an equivalent to about two months of WoW-time. I predict GW2 to launch fairly well, maybe 1-3m units sold first month, get launched in Asia and spike to about 4m active players, then dwindle to around 500k-1m after roughly 3-4 months. A few server merges later the player base will settle around 400k with 100k concurrent at timezone peak. Not bad, but not good either. My figures are based on an estimation that Pandaria is launched shortly after GW2.
Weird, I was thinking the EXACT same thing with SWTOR
But yeah, that's not really going to happen considering a very large chunk, I think still well into the millions, still play GW1 and there is a separate community for GW2 compared to WoW. It's not like the game is basing its success off of how many WoW players they "convert." There is an entire community already for the game separate of WoW's, so it doesn't matter really when Pandaria is released.
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I really wish Nexon didn't sell the rights to Kru Interactive in the past. I loved Nexus TK and Dark Ages despite their isometric gameplay. (I actually loved it, don't hate!)
Unfortunately both games are awful now. I can't seem to get into an MMO after my first run of WoW, although GW2 looked pretty awesome.
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On November 26 2011 06:58 kammeyer wrote:
I really wish Nexon didn't sell the rights to Kru Interactive in the past. I loved Nexus TK and Dark Ages despite their isometric gameplay. (I actually loved it, don't hate!)
Unfortunately both games are awful now. I can't seem to get into an MMO after my first run of WoW, although GW2 looked pretty awesome.
My main issue is that I'm worried that the only reason I liked Everquest II and somewhat WoW (never was really into it) was because they were my first MMO's. Hopefully GW2 can perform to the level of an actual fun game, instead of something just there to addict you ASAP so I can get some good fun out of it :D
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On November 25 2011 22:34 KeksX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Fruscainte(and everyone else "recommending" Guild Wars 2):
There is absolutely no reason for him to wait for Guild Wars 2. By the things they've shown, it will have shitty PvP compared to what other games have, even though it will have fun, but not very challenging, PvE. They already stated that they're focusing on PvE because they think that their PvP is already at a high level, but they never show anything like that.
Don't recommend a game because it has shiny graphics. You are not better than everyone shitting on the game for no reason(I'm not either, even if it sounds like that. I'm just telling you to wait until we know that it's good and not just get told that it's good by ArenaNet)
There is no point, game mechanics wise, to recommend Guild Wars 2 right now. Even IF it will be good in the end and all my points are invalid and I'm completely wrong, right now there's no indication whatsoever of that. Right now all you see is shiny graphics and shitty mechanics.
If you really want to play Guild Wars, play Guild Wars 1 and check out Guild Wars 2 after it's release in a trial version or something, then you can talk about playing it.
The same goes with SWTOR and everything like that. You have no idea how the game will look, everything indicates that it will be bad however, so the best deal is to just wait for the released game and then check it out. If Guild Wars 2 will have great PvP I'll be the first one to point it out, but right now it's just too early to say that, we should be rather skeptical so that ArenaNet keeps working hard on it.
If we talk about MMOs we have to stop talking about how "epic" everything is that has better graphics than WoW. This happened all the time the past years and none of the times it worked out. @masterbreti: What did change in the f2p version anyway? Always wondered if I started it again, was hell of a fun game. Also, does anyone know more about the battlemechanics in firefall? I never tried it but it kinda looks like it could be fun and similar to an "ultima online pvp realm"... But is it really good or are the videos just good?
I don't understand why you would make the assumption that its being recommended only due to its graphics.
The lore, races, profession, and secondary professions are what I would recommend it for, though thats only my opinion.
"You have no idea how the game will look, everything indicates that it will be bad however", How can you make any accusations without knowing ? I don't understand all this hate and contradictions.
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On November 26 2011 07:02 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 06:58 kammeyer wrote:
I really wish Nexon didn't sell the rights to Kru Interactive in the past. I loved Nexus TK and Dark Ages despite their isometric gameplay. (I actually loved it, don't hate!)
Unfortunately both games are awful now. I can't seem to get into an MMO after my first run of WoW, although GW2 looked pretty awesome. My main issue is that I'm worried that the only reason I liked Everquest II and somewhat WoW (never was really into it) was because they were my first MMO's. Hopefully GW2 can perform to the level of an actual fun game, instead of something just there to addict you ASAP so I can get some good fun out of it :D
I think that's my issue as well. I never was into EQ, but Dark Ages & WoW were a lot of fun the first time around. I can never muster enough energy to really consistently play a game anymore.
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On November 26 2011 11:41 ChefStarCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 22:34 KeksX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Fruscainte(and everyone else "recommending" Guild Wars 2):
There is absolutely no reason for him to wait for Guild Wars 2. By the things they've shown, it will have shitty PvP compared to what other games have, even though it will have fun, but not very challenging, PvE. They already stated that they're focusing on PvE because they think that their PvP is already at a high level, but they never show anything like that.
Don't recommend a game because it has shiny graphics. You are not better than everyone shitting on the game for no reason(I'm not either, even if it sounds like that. I'm just telling you to wait until we know that it's good and not just get told that it's good by ArenaNet)
There is no point, game mechanics wise, to recommend Guild Wars 2 right now. Even IF it will be good in the end and all my points are invalid and I'm completely wrong, right now there's no indication whatsoever of that. Right now all you see is shiny graphics and shitty mechanics.
If you really want to play Guild Wars, play Guild Wars 1 and check out Guild Wars 2 after it's release in a trial version or something, then you can talk about playing it.
The same goes with SWTOR and everything like that. You have no idea how the game will look, everything indicates that it will be bad however, so the best deal is to just wait for the released game and then check it out. If Guild Wars 2 will have great PvP I'll be the first one to point it out, but right now it's just too early to say that, we should be rather skeptical so that ArenaNet keeps working hard on it.
If we talk about MMOs we have to stop talking about how "epic" everything is that has better graphics than WoW. This happened all the time the past years and none of the times it worked out. @masterbreti: What did change in the f2p version anyway? Always wondered if I started it again, was hell of a fun game. Also, does anyone know more about the battlemechanics in firefall? I never tried it but it kinda looks like it could be fun and similar to an "ultima online pvp realm"... But is it really good or are the videos just good? I don't understand why you would make the assumption that its being recommended only due to its graphics. The lore, races, profession, and secondary professions are what I would recommend it for, though thats only my opinion. "You have no idea how the game will look, everything indicates that it will be bad however", How can you make any accusations without knowing ? I don't understand all this hate and contradictions.
Secondary Professions aren't in GW2. God, that is a nightmare to balance and I'm glad they're left out.
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I got in the alpha testing for lime odyssey. This game is really great and it is like Ragnarok Online
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It's not an MMO, but you should play Skyrim 
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On November 26 2011 13:26 spbelky wrote:It's not an MMO, but you should play Skyrim
Now this I'll back up
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When I played Runescape I cut wood like a boss.
I highly recommend that game.
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Waiting for Tera, that game looks sooo fun
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Played the SWTOR beta today, was completely underwhelmed.
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