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TheOuroboros
Profile Joined December 2010
France68 Posts
November 05 2011 16:03 GMT
#101
Nice guide, even if it seems very basics compared to your others guides imo.
However the videos were very interesting, learnt some new tricks :D Thank you ! <3
Toastorbot
Profile Joined August 2011
England4 Posts
November 05 2011 16:04 GMT
#102
Cool guide, ive never played DotA much so ill definitely keep this bookmarked for if and when I get into the beta : >
Jarmam
Profile Joined June 2010
Denmark140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 16:10:34
November 05 2011 16:04 GMT
#103
On November 06 2011 00:09 Bumblebee wrote:
At the beginning of every game and every second minute (00:00, 02:00, 04:00, etc.), there will spawn one rune in one of the two rune locations. There's 5 different kind of runes in the game. It's random if they spawn in the top or bottom location, and it's random what rune will spawn.
  • Double damage runes increase base damage by 100% for sixty seconds
  • Invisibility runes cause a hero to become invisible for up to 60 seconds (invisibility is broken if the hero makes an attack or activates a spell)
  • Haste runes allow a hero to run at maximum movespeed (522) for a minute, and while Hasted that hero cannot be slowed
  • Regeneration runes very quickly heal a hero back up to full HP and MP
  • Illusion runes create two illusions of a hero that can be used for scouting, extra damage, or simply confusing the enemy



This needs a little polishing. DD runes last 45 seconds and Haste only 30 seconds (it was nerfed from 45 in DotA 1 several years ago due to 45 being absolutely insanily overpowered). Invisibility lasts 45 seconds after the initial 2? (its 2 in DotA 1) second fadetime.
Illusion stats are:
Rune of Illusion
When activated, creates two illusions of the Hero for 75 seconds. The illusions deal 50% damage and take 400% damage.

Which means the 2 illusions are actually pretty solid damage dealers on a long ranged hero in the earlygame as well as long duration scouts for, say, the next rune or that Storm heading your way, trollface grinnin'

I do not have access to DotA 2, but if the mechanic is the same as DotA 1 I would also add that Invisibility runes, unlike Windwalk abilities, do not allow you to walk through units, which means an Invis-hero can actually block enemies while Invisible. This is pretty unique.

Source

Edit: Also while Balanar quite clearly is the hero benefitting the most from night from both skills and vision (given that he has 1200 vision at day and 1800 at night, when most other heroes have 1800/800), there are some heroes that also benefit from night by having better nightvision range than normally. Enchantress has 1800, AA has 1400, Puck 1200 and if Luna gets implemented as in DotA 1 she will have 1800 through skills. This means that certain heroes are harder to gank and can gank easier than others during the night time simply through vision advantage.
"Freedom for Colossus" - White-Ra
Porta-
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway46 Posts
November 05 2011 16:05 GMT
#104
I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this game so I can get back to nerdraging at feeders (and getting raged at for feeding) :-)
Geschan
Profile Joined September 2010
69 Posts
November 05 2011 16:06 GMT
#105
Nice Write-Up. Can't wait for the Release!
I hope they manage the Leave Issue..
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
November 05 2011 16:07 GMT
#106
On November 06 2011 01:04 Jarmam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2011 00:09 Bumblebee wrote:
At the beginning of every game and every second minute (00:00, 02:00, 04:00, etc.), there will spawn one rune in one of the two rune locations. There's 5 different kind of runes in the game. It's random if they spawn in the top or bottom location, and it's random what rune will spawn.
  • Double damage runes increase base damage by 100% for sixty seconds
  • Invisibility runes cause a hero to become invisible for up to 60 seconds (invisibility is broken if the hero makes an attack or activates a spell)
  • Haste runes allow a hero to run at maximum movespeed (522) for a minute, and while Hasted that hero cannot be slowed
  • Regeneration runes very quickly heal a hero back up to full HP and MP
  • Illusion runes create two illusions of a hero that can be used for scouting, extra damage, or simply confusing the enemy



This needs a little polishing. DD runes last 45 seconds and Haste only 30 seconds (it was nerfed from 45 in DotA 1 several years ago due to 45 being absolutely insanily overpowered). Invisibility lasts 45 seconds after the initial 2? (its 2 in DotA 1) second fadetime.
Illusion stats are:
Rune of Illusion
When activated, creates two illusions of the Hero for 75 seconds. The illusions deal 50% damage and take 400% damage.

Which means the 2 illusions are actually pretty solid damage dealers on a long ranged hero in the earlygame as well as long duration scouts for, say, the next rune or that Storm heading your way, trollface grinnin'

I do not have access to DotA 2, but if the mechanic is the same as DotA 1 I would also add that Invisibility runes, unlike Windwalk abilities, do not allow you to walk through units, which means an Invis-hero can actually block enemies while Invisible. This is pretty unique.

Source

wow, you're right. I don't know why I thought it was 60 lol
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Buckett
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands38 Posts
November 05 2011 16:07 GMT
#107
I'm giving up forumlurker-personality for a minute to get a chance at one of your keys

P.S. As a new-ish HoN player wanna thank for the advice so far, it's been great helping me progress, 1650 mmr rating atm and climbing
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
November 05 2011 16:08 GMT
#108
Really useful guyde. I play ARTS games for at least 2 years now, and some of these concepts weren't 100% clear to me(I guess I really am bad).

Thx for the write up!
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
gammAwolfa
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland213 Posts
November 05 2011 16:09 GMT
#109
Great guide
dota2 - imiceice ~
MrSnibbles
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom267 Posts
November 05 2011 16:09 GMT
#110
Interdasting, coming from someone who's only really played + Show Spoiler +
LoL
with my friends and had no idea what the fuck I was doing, this just makes me want the game even more.

Will defiantly be getting it when open beta/whenever it's out happens.
Thank you, based god.
Funshines
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada86 Posts
November 05 2011 16:09 GMT
#111
Sweet guide. now lets hope i win this key :3
Dimaga and Tester fan since beta!
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
November 05 2011 16:10 GMT
#112
Thanks for the guide.

And it also it reaaaaally nice because of added beta key. :D:D
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
entocheets
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia367 Posts
November 05 2011 16:10 GMT
#113
Awesome guide. I just got into playing MOBAs and it's pretty fun, even though I'm just playing co-op vs. AI for now.
##creepers 4 lyf
Warpstorm
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland5 Posts
November 05 2011 16:10 GMT
#114
How viable is it to play a jungle hero in Dota compared to LoL?
Falcon_NL
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands236 Posts
November 05 2011 16:11 GMT
#115
somewhat incomplete guide but I enjoyed reading it.
You could have included some basic item orders essential for things like jungling.

Nice vids though
and its a BLACK HOLE !! OH MY GOD BLACK HOOOOLEEE - Tobi Wan
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 05 2011 16:11 GMT
#116
good guide. one tiny thing you may want to mention is the fact that the regen rune gets cancelled upon taking damage. you go into detail for how invis breaks and whatnot anyways.
SpiritClown
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy35 Posts
November 05 2011 16:12 GMT
#117
Very nice guide and video! Usefull even for noobs like me XD

And the videos are very well done and clear if u know what u have to watch (the lack of sound is bad though )
HappyMan
Profile Joined June 2010
United States129 Posts
November 05 2011 16:14 GMT
#118
It's always nice to see more people getting guides like this so that they can be properly introduced to the game. Thanks for doing this writeup, Bumblebee!
kurisumaru
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece1 Post
November 05 2011 16:15 GMT
#119
I shall win all keys!Oh and good duide btw
motosharu
Asprobouboulis
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Greece42 Posts
November 05 2011 16:16 GMT
#120
Great stuff as always! Got a few of my friends interested in dota and they learned a lot from this ! Saved me time aswell <3 :D
God works in mysterious ways... But So do my bowel movements, but that doesn't make them omnipotent.
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