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tschilloah`
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany54 Posts
November 05 2011 15:54 GMT
#81
The Blog is really awesome Bumblebee. It explains the basics around the Map itself perfectly. But really outstanding are the pulling movies. I think it really helps some newcomers in the DotA scene when they see those pulls, to do them aswell. But i think you can put the secret shop in the jungle aswell, for the bigger.. and better items.
And damn, i hope i got the lucky draw on one of the key's.
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 15:56:11
November 05 2011 15:55 GMT
#82
Great guide. Really nice for people who are just getting into it. Hopefully you are able to write a really indepth guide on laning, as atleast for me, it is the most interesting and one of the most interesting phases of the game. Keep it up :D
Hopefully I get lucky and get a key ;p
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
KorovinBear
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1 Post
November 05 2011 15:55 GMT
#83
Awesome, thanks for the post!

I'm looking forward to the laning post. I should be able to get a basic enough idea of heroes by playing bot games, but you can't really just play bot games and learn the current laning strategies. I'd like to have some idea of what they are and when they are useful (like trilaning) before I put myself against other people. I'd rather not drag my team down too much!

Will be keeping an eye on this blog.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
November 05 2011 15:55 GMT
#84
On November 06 2011 00:53 ThaddeusK wrote:
Very nice guide.

In HoN people often block the creep pull by putting the ward in the forest next to the creep camp such that it is blocked and the ward cannot be counter warded, does this work/ is this done in DotA as well?

It's kind of a pub thing to do because you can easily counter it. Take your courier and use it for vision between the trees. Also the vision that those wards provide are great - you gain a lot of intel from them in the laning phase.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
chriZqq
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
141 Posts
November 05 2011 15:56 GMT
#85
Nice Post, I like it, but this "I have never seen a team comeback if they're up against megacreeps." is wrong, I lost a SIG when my Team has achieved mega creeps -_-
Its kinda fun playing vs Pl, Troll and TB in Lategame with Troll Ultimate
Evermourn
Profile Joined August 2011
227 Posts
November 05 2011 15:56 GMT
#86
I'm desperate enough to enter any and all beta key contests tbh.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 05 2011 15:56 GMT
#87
hmm I would have expected some guide about wards too but this seems cool for basics, also you didn't cover the ancients(but that doesn't matter that much). good guide for newbies.
WriterXiao8~~
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
November 05 2011 15:57 GMT
#88
On November 06 2011 00:54 Frolossus wrote:
When you mention pulling creeps to deny them/help jungle what do you mean by stacking the camps first?

It's explained in the blog tho. But stacking means you pull the creeps out of the camp at a specific time, so the creeps will be away from the spawn at the time news will respawn and that way you end up having 2 creepcamps in 1 camp.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
November 05 2011 15:57 GMT
#89
Well..shameless response for a betakey ^^"

I couldn't read the entire thing because I already play a lot of Dota/Hon, but what I read seemed fairly spot on.
TeaGreen
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada147 Posts
November 05 2011 15:58 GMT
#90
I played until level 30 + a bit in LoL and it was a really really dry and boring game at that point even playing with a bunch of different champions. I watched some "professional" LoL and the "pros" honestly seem just as skilled as regular DotA players. I'm not saying they're bad, but I think DotA 2 would probably be much better for them to play.

With that said I'm really looking forward to DotA 2.

Nice guide! I can't wait for this game!
ZevijooN
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1 Post
November 05 2011 15:58 GMT
#91
You could always add the numbers for pulling, xx:45 and xx:15 for those who didnt notice. Otherwise a great guide!
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
November 05 2011 15:59 GMT
#92
AHhhhhhhh when DotA 2 comes out it will be a very difficult decision. Keep playing HoN which Ive already dumped money into and all my friends play? Or play DotA 2 cause it will be the better game?

Choices....T.T

Either way thanks for doing all this for us keyless scrubs xD
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Zorba
Profile Joined October 2010
United States48 Posts
November 05 2011 15:59 GMT
#93
Hey, I would love a DOTA2 beta key!
Great write up btw!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 16:36:13
November 05 2011 15:59 GMT
#94
I've seen guys rosh at level one a few times. What kinda of hero lineup do you have to have to be able to do this? It seems rather hectic. Also what's the point of stacking, is it only if you can't kill the creeps off so you stack then kill when you are able to?

EDIT: I see it's in the pulling step. Interesting never knew that.
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
November 05 2011 16:00 GMT
#95
Nice little guide. I like that it's not too extensive, just the most important basics. What I would actually be interested in reading is some kind of DotA1 to DotA2 guide that explains all the differences. Even if DotA2 is supposed to be an exact copy of DotA1, there will most likely be some subtle differences. Might be a little bit too early for something like that though, since it's still beta and stuff changes rapidly.
Smrodek
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland1 Post
November 05 2011 16:01 GMT
#96
Thanks for guide, and a chance for key.
RedZack
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany58 Posts
November 05 2011 16:02 GMT
#97
Cool guide Bumblebee! I've never played any Dota games, but this blog (and the previous ones about dota) gives a pretty good idea about what it's all about :-)
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 16:04:05
November 05 2011 16:02 GMT
#98
Nice posts as always. I'm most interested in hearing about tri-laning since I stopped following DotA before that became popular. If you come out with a couple laning "sub" articles about the different lane setups you mentioned ( 2-1-2,1-1-2,1-1-3) that would be cool. There is a lot of both basic and advanced information about laning that would be incredibly useful to have laid out in guides like this.
twitter: @terrancem
Erakith
Profile Joined November 2011
United States2 Posts
November 05 2011 16:02 GMT
#99
Great guide. Useful for anyone looking to get into DotA. I'm glad people take the time to post these things, they definitely add positive interaction within the community and help to build it.

Also, today is my birthday (no joke. November 5th. :3) A beta key would be the best gift ever.
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
November 05 2011 16:03 GMT
#100
On November 06 2011 00:59 N3rV[Green] wrote:
AHhhhhhhh when DotA 2 comes out it will be a very difficult decision. Keep playing HoN which Ive already dumped money into and all my friends play? Or play DotA 2 cause it will be the better game?

Choices....T.T

Either way thanks for doing all this for us keyless scrubs xD

Obviously DOTA2 is the right choice!

Feels like HoN is going to die anyways when DOTA2 is released.
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