Hey TL! I've been anticipating my 5000th post recently and trying to figure out what to make my 5k about (or whether or not to make a big post at all). In the end I decided I wanted to talk about something I am very passionate about -- cannabis. Hopefully some of you readers that may be newbies when it comes to cannabis can learn something from this blog
Cannabis is a naturally occurring plant that developed a mechanism for itself to protect against the sun's harsh UV rays. The flowers of the plant (and to a lesser extent the leaves/stems) secrete a resin containing Tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC. This resin forms into crystals on the surface which are called trichomes. Here's a super closeup of what trichomes look like:
This is why good quality cannabis buds will "sparkle" in the right light:
The cannabinoids in marijuana are lipids. This means they're fat-soluble (as opposed to water-soluble). Thus (if I understand it correctly) they can pass through the fatty-acid barrier that protects your brain and mess with your brain chemistry. The THC will snag onto receptors in your brain and alter the way they transfer information. This is especially common in the parts of the brain that control your short-term memory, your appetite, your mood/emotions, and your ability to fall asleep. I'm not a scientist, so apologies but if you want more in-depth information I'd suggest checking out wikipedia or one of the hundreds of documentaries made about cannabis.
Common effects of cannabis include (but are not limited to): Positive Effects:
Improved creativity - Cannabis often removes limiting preconceived notions we have. A (not great) example would be that we take for granted the way our eyes receive light, but when high you might imagine what it would be like if this were different, or perhaps simply ponder how it happens at all, etc. I'm not great at explaining this, but it allows your brain to freely wander and consider possibilities previously ignored.
Increased appetite - You may have heard the word "munchies" thrown around a lot. Cannabis is well known for increasing appetite and reducing nausea (one of the main reasons it is used during chemotherapy is to combat the constant unbearable nausea so that patients can eat the food they need to regain their health)
Increased awareness - This affects all forms of awareness. All 5 of your senses may seem enhanced or altered in subtle ways. You may notice colors and textures more in your vision and appreciate nature's beauty. You may really feel the taste of food more and your preferences for food may completely change while you are under the influence. You will most likely enjoy music to a degree not usually experienced while sober, and often cannabis helps you be able to listen to all parts in a song at once, rather than primarily focusing on one part (such as the singing, as most casual music-listeners do). Some surfaces/textures may feel pleasant to the touch. Sex is fucking amazing while high. One side effect of the increased awareness is that you may notice things you didn't notice before which can lead to minor paranoia. Perhaps you think people are looking at you, or you notice someone behind you while walking and think they are following you, etc. Usually once users get used to this side effect it no longer bothers or affects them.
Improved ability to sleep - Many people enjoy using cannabis to help them sleep (especially indica varieties... I'll get into this later). Enough cannabis can sometimes make people fall asleep involuntarily (pass-out), though this is pretty rare, and usually requires large amounts.
Improved mood/humor - Most people find they naturally feel happy and content when under the influence of marijuana, and it will often make certain things more funny than they may seem to be when sober. This can be purely due to the uplifting nature of cannabis, but can also be due to finding unlikely or unusual connections between things that you normally don't make the connection between while sober (this goes back to the increased creativity point).
Negative Effects: (depending on how you look at them)
Inhibited short-term memory - Cannabis can really mess with your short-term memory temporarily while under the influence (and sometimes afterwards as well to a much lesser extent). This is the main reason why cannabis smokers seem "stupid" to sober onlookers. You may have some profound or intriguing thought process, but if you try to explain it or discuss it with someone else you may forget what you were talking about just moments ago. This may seem like a bad thing, but when under the influence this can help you forget about any worries or concerns you may have that have been stressing you out, and it can also really affect your sense of the flow of time. If you forget what has been going on for the past 5 minutes you may think the time simply flew by. I feel like I'm not explaining this in the best sense, but until you've tried it, it's hard to convey.
Inhibited motor control - Cannabis can prevent you from having accurate, precise motor control and can overall produce a bit of a numbness across the body. This also affects how people seem to view cannabis smokers. If you get really high, you may have trouble accurately controlling your fingers (there's a joke made quite often about how passing a joint is like docking a space station in that it's extremely difficult and you have to put your full concentration into it if you're really fucked up), your tongue to speak clearly, etc.
Reduced motivation/drive - Many people think cannabis makes people lazy. While we all probably know at least one burnout who smokes all the time and doesn't get anything done, this is not usually the case. Generally speaking, while under the influence you may feel a bit lazier than normal (and if you're really messed up you might want to just sit where you are for a while, staring into the distance pondering your reality...), but this highly depends on the person and the strain of cannabis itself. Many people actually find they love activity while high, such as riding a bike, cleaning the house, etc.
Side Effects:
Dry Mouth/Eyes - For whatever reason (probably has something to do with pulling hot smoke through your system) cannabis can often make your mouth and eyes feel very dry. This is commonly referred to as cottonmouth. If you are going to experiment with cannabis for your first time, I would recommend having a nice drink (iced tea, lemonade, fruit juice, etc) ready, and if you really want to be comfortable, eye drops are fantastic.
Red Eyes - This is partially caused by the above effect of dried out eyes, but also I am fairly certain something in the way cannabis affects you causes blood vessels in your eyes to fill up more than normal which causes the appearance of reddened eyes.
Uncontrollable Giggling - This can be a side effect of a buffered mood and humor. Not a problem certainly, although if in the presence of sober people you may seem a bit silly.
First I feel some perspective on things needs to be added. Caffeine, alcohol, nicotine(tobacco), and over-the-counter medications are all drugs. The government might not label them as scheduled/dangerous drugs due to lobbyists/etc, but they are just as much drugs as cannabis is. Most are actually much more addictive and dangerous than cannabis. If you already use one or more of the drugs listed, yet you have a negative stigma towards cannabis due to it being labeled by the government as a dangerous drug, I'd advise you drop any negative attitude about cannabis, forget everything you learned about it in school, and research it on the internet with an open mind. It's a drug that has no physical addiction (though certainly has potential for psychological addiction just like video games and fast food do), no recorded deaths, ever (despite it being used for literally thousands of years), no physically possible overdose, and almost no negative long-term health effects (obviously inhaling smoke into your lungs of any kind is not good for you, but the negative effects are negligible when compared to tobacco. If you ingest or vaporize your cannabis you completely avoid any and all negative health risks).
I've gone over why you shouldn't be afraid of cannabis, but not really why you should actually use it. Personally I find cannabis to be an amazing relaxant. It helps me unwind after a long day of work, forget my worries, and really enjoy some good music+food. Almost all activities are somehow improved by cannabis in a way that is hard to convey until you have tried it. You will see things in a different light, understand concepts in a different way, and overall just have a great time.
However, be aware that people with a family history (or other predisposition) of mental illnesses such as schizophrenia or psychosis/etc may have some serious issues with cannabis. If you are one of these people I'd advise doing quite a bit of research before taking the risk.
First off you're going to want to grind up the buds. When you purchase quality cannabis you want solid "nugs" as opposed to loose "shake" at the bottom of the bag. You can either pick apart these buds with your fingers (not recommended, you'll get sticky fingers and you'll have large uneven pieces), use scissors, or use an actual herb grinder. If you start smoking on any sort of regular basis I would definitely recommend purchasing a grinder. They're not overly expensive, and the nice ones have a screen that catches the herb and allows fallen trichomes to drop into the bottom chamber of the grinder. This powdery collection of highly-concentrated cannabinoids is called "kief," and can be smoked/vaporized/cooked-with just like normal buds.
Once you've ground up your cannabis, you're going to need a method to get it into your body in a way that will "activate" the THC. You can't simply eat raw cannabis, as there's a process called decarboxylation (sp?) that needs to be done first. If I understand it correctly, heat removes the carbon from the trichomes and exposes the cannabinoids (such as THC) in an form that can be absorbed in your body. This is why you have to either smoke, vaporize, or cook your cannabis to get the effects from it.
The most popular ways to smoke cannabis are with papers (roll a joint or use a cigar's tobacco leaf to roll a blunt), with a pipe, or with a bong, which is essentially a complex pipe with water filtration.
Many cigarette smokers suck smoke into their mouths and then blow it out without actually inhaling into their lungs. If you've heard the rumor that "you don't get high your first time smoking cannabis," this is probably the reason. Most newbie smokers will not fully inhale the smoke (as it burns the first few times you do it), and unlike tobacco you won't get anything out of marijuana smoke being held in your mouth. Keep this in mind when reading the next segment on how to smoke out of a pipe/bong.
I won't get into how to roll joints as there are a million videos on youtube that can teach you. Personally I generally prefer a bong or pipe to papers as you just get the taste of the cannabis without any extra paper taste.
How to smoke from a pipe: Your standard pipe (or "bowl," which refers to the bowl shaped area you put your ground cannabis in to smoke) should look something like the one below:
The part on the bottom right of the pipe in the image is the mouthpiece. The large opening facing towards the camera near the top left of the image is the bowl of the pipe. Put your ground cannabis in this bowl (if you want you can put in a screen to prevent getting ash in your mouth). You don't want to pack it too tightly as you won't have good airflow, but you also don't want it to be too loose as some can either blow away in the wind or get sucked through into your mouth. The small hole on the left side of the pipe next to the bowl is called the carb (short for carburetor). When you smoke from the pipe you want to hold your thumb over the carb so that no air gets in through that hole. Put your mouth on the mouthpiece while holding the carb shut, start sucking in air (do this slowly or yet again you'll get ash in your mouth), and light some of the cannabis with your lighter (bic lighters are actually recommended here since zippos are hard to light bowls with as you can't turn them upside down, and matches are the biggest pain in the ass ever when using a pipe). Don't simply stick the flame all the way into the herb. Hold it a little above the bowl and the suction from inhaling should pull the flame down into the cannabis. For more advanced methods, see below for how to corner a bowl. As soon as you see the cannabis ignite (easiest in the dark, you can see it brightly glow red), stop using your lighter, as butane is not very healthy to inhale so you want to minimize this (also you don't want to needlessly ignite more than you have to). When you think you are about 3/4 of the way through your inhale, release your thumb off the carb. This will allow air into the pipe which does two things: it prevents as much air from getting sucked in through the bowl and thus helps let the embers burn out, and it also clears the pipe of smoke left in the chamber so you don't pass the pipe (or if you're alone let it sit) with smoke spewing out. If your pipe doesn't have a carb, it will take a bit more skill to use without wasting cannabis, but you basically have to light a small enough amount that it'll go out before you stop inhaling so you don't leave smoke in the pipe. After you inhale all the smoke, take your mouth off the pipe and keep inhaling air for another 2-3 seconds. This is to ensure all of the smoke gets into your lungs, as if you don't do this you'll end up holding a lot of smoke in your mouth and throat, which is not only unpleasant but also wasteful as none of that smoke will affect you. At this point you don't need to hold it in long. There is a common misconception that the longer you hold your smoke, the higher you'll get. This is true to a certain extent because you'll get high from oxygen deprivation, which is quite unhealthy. After about 2-3 seconds of holding smoke in your lungs you won't absorb any more THC anyways, and all you end up doing is absorbing more tar in your lungs and depriving your brain of oxygen. Needless to say, this is bad; don't do it. Look in the advanced techniques section below for how to properly corner a bowl (a great skill to have).
How to smoke from a bong: A bong is like a pipe that sucks the smoke through water to filter it and cool it down. Due to the amount of air you have to inhale to take a hit, bongs are great for beginners because they force you to inhale the smoke into your lungs instead of just sucking it into your mouth. Also, since the smoke will be smoother and cooler than through a pipe, it will be easier to take a larger hit than you may be used to due to it not burning your lungs as much. I'm not going to take the time to get into all the details of all the parts of a bong (though maybe I'll add that later if people request it), but basically instead of a connected bowl like with a pipe, you have what's called a slide, which is basically a bowl that can slide out of the downstem of the bong (the part that goes down into the water). This allows you to clear the chamber without the use of a carb (see above in how to smoke a pipe). Simply remove the slide from the bong once you are ready to clear the chamber and keep inhaling. Other than that, it's pretty much the same as smoking a pipe in terms of procedures.
Advanced Method: How to properly corner a bowl: This is a skill that will earn you respect with other smokers and will make for a much more pleasant smoking experience in my opinion. Many people will simply "torch the bowl" or put the lighter flame right in the bowl and light a lot of the cannabis at once, but generally your lungs can't absorb this much in a single inhale anyways, so you end up wasting a lot of weed and burning your lungs in the process. Instead, try to only light a small amount of the cannabis at a time. You want enough lit that you get a full hit of smoke, but think of it this way: if you light too much, you'll be wasting weed and it'll be hotter and less pleasant for your lungs. If you light too little, you end up having to take more hits to finish the bowl, which by comparison isn't a big deal. Thus I usually personally err on the side of less per hit and then just take more hits but smoke the same amount of cannabis (i.e. 1 bowl). So all I've really talked about here is why you should be cornering your bowls, rather than actually how to do it properly, so here's what you have to do:
-First off you want to be holding your lighter upside down. This is so that if wind hits the flame it won't blow over onto your thumb and burn you. -Next, hold the lighter a little outside the edge of the bowl. -Light the lighter and inhale. This is easier on a bong than on a pipe because you can really rip it hard (aka inhale quickly) and have a lot of suction to pull the flame in. -The act of inhaling is going to pull a lot of air into the bowl, and thus the flame should get pulled in right around the edge or corner of the bowl.
This will allow you to light the bits of herb right on the edges as well as have a ton of control over exactly how much you end up igniting. Here is a diagram I sloppily made in paint to show you what I mean by having the lighter upside down and how the flame should get pulled into the bowl:
This technique of cornering is something I feel the majority of people either ignore or are unaware of, but it's incredibly useful for being as efficient as possible with your cannabis. Plus, when you're at a party, no one likes when you pass the bong and the last guy torched the whole bowl and you already have to repack. If you learn to corner accurately you'll be able to share more easily with friends and have longer smoke sessions per bowl while still getting just as high
This post has gotten pretty ridiculously long, so I'm going to try to wrap it up with some of my favorite things to do while high. Experiment! You may be surprised, but many activities can be made much more enjoyable through the responsible use of cannabis.
Listen to music -- Any music you like will be even better while high, but certain types of music generally work better than others. Personally I like complex music with a lot of subtlety as when high you seem to be able to listen to all musical parts at once, which allows you to notice things you may not have ever noticed before (even on songs you may have listened to many times!). Classical music is fantastic. I love metal as well, though that may just be me. Obviously some classic trippy rock (how the fuck do I classify this?) can be cliché but always great, such as Pink Floyd.
Eat good food -- It may be tempting while high to eat junk food, but really great meals are like orgasms in your mouth when you are high enough.
Play games -- I love playing starcraft 2, league of legends, various n64 games, etc while high. It changes the way you think. Don't expect to be overly skilled, however. Especially on your first few times getting high you will most likely be abysmal at games you are used to being skilled at, but generally you don't care that you are losing and you end up having a fantastic and fun time regardless.
Outdoor activities -- Things like riding a bike, going canoeing on a lake, or going hiking can be great fun when high. There's something about cannabis that really makes you appreciate nature in all its glory, so I definitely recommend trying your favorite outdoor activity while under the influence.
Drinking -- Don't overdo this. If you drink too much and get high as well, you will likely vomit. However, if you can keep yourself under control, the overall body buzz you get from the combination of these drugs is a truly fantastic feeling. Generally even as little as 2-3 drinks (I'm a lightweight, but still usually need more like 6 to get drunk) with weed can make a huge difference that you will definitely feel.
This goes back to listening to music again, but specifically if you deprive some of your senses, obviously the others get amplified, and this happens even more under the influence of cannabis. One trick I got from a reddit thread (by the way check out reddit.com/r/trees ... awesome chill subreddit to hang out in when high) is to turn off all your lights, get in bed, put the covers over your head, and listen to music on headphones in pitch blackness (after smoking of course). The first time I tried this, I had some really awesome kaleidoscope-esque visuals eventually appear in my vision. Those of you habitual smokers may read this and laugh and call me dumb or a liar, but I can tell you I am telling the truth. Cannabis is classified as a psychedelic (among others) for a reason. If you use it in the right circumstances (pitch black darkness, low tolerance, high dosage) you can absolutely have what are generally referred to as CEVs, or Closed-Eye Visuals.
Anyways, I've been holding off making any posts to save for my 5k for a long time, so I kind of just want to get this out there so I can continue posting :D If I think of anything more or feel the urge to post how to bake edibles/vaporize/etc I'll add it on later. In fact, I'll probably add a section on why it's illegal when I get the time.
Hope you guys enjoyed this blog and my 5k, and I hope some of you can learn something from this post!
TL;DR: Cannabis is a fantastic drug like caffeine or alcohol that can enhance your life. If you are already a cannabis smoker, well firstly cheers! And secondly if you only read one part I'd recommend reading the advanced techniques: cornering a bowl section in the "Smoke a Pipe or Bong" spoiler. Many current tokers seem to lack this skill, and I'd love it if more people learned it ^_^
I didn't really read any of this, probably because most of it you taught me in person like some kind of goddamned professor of the subject. Glad to know there are people that choose to educate themselves on it, though, rather than just "LOL LETS GET HIGH."
I've since decided that I have no negative opinion of it since you introduced me to it, but still don't partake simply because its illegal. Not because I'm some kind of goody two-shoes, but because I'm paranoid of getting caught.
edit- to the guy whos worried about getting caught, you should keep in mind that he is making a post admitting he uses an illegal substance on a public website which also has a database with his name, nationality and a ton of other information :p you dont need to be too worried haha
i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
so take this thread with a grain of salt.
i mean, seriously, guy's.. there's a lot of kids reading this. KIDS, ok? probably a lot of sad nerds too (like me). people who are unconsciously looking for something to "enhance their lifes" a.k.a. escape reality.
not sure if we really need a praise on drugs here... not the right place, i think.
cornering part is weird. also share a bowl? dunno how you guys do it buy we just fill like 1/2 so a person can smoke it in one go. no waste,no weird passing, just mix and fill your hit and good to go.
On September 28 2011 09:42 beg wrote: i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
so take this thread with a grain of salt.
i mean, seriously, guy's.. there's a lot of kids reading this. KIDS, ok? probably a lot of sad nerds too (like me). people who are unconsciously looking for something to "enhance their lifes" a.k.a. escape reality.
not sure if we really need a praise on drugs here... not the right place, i think.
the day TL censors normal discussions is the day the TL spirit dies.
also i smoke since i was 15.. so started quite early. now im almost 26. the daily smoker. long term effects?yeah you get more lazy. yeah you might lose the motivation to do other stuff since you just might be more happy with whatever youre doing right in that moment. yeah some paranoia is expected. but in the end its all just some minor mental shit you can easily overcome if you realize that.
but there are people that cant handle it.dont underestimate any drug.
btw weed wont let you "escape reality". at that level alcohol is def the drug of choice for that.
Holy snaps a post from orb! Nice entry bro. You should also include a section for vape-ing, and the health related pro's/con's that go with it. Also, how much experience do you have smoking in general?
On September 28 2011 09:55 Snackysnacks wrote: Holy snaps a post from orb! Nice entry bro. You should also include a section for vape-ing, and the health related pro's/con's that go with it. Also, how much experience do you have smoking in general?
vapos have cons(except the price for a volcano <.<)? thats new to me tbh
On September 28 2011 09:42 beg wrote: i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
so take this thread with a grain of salt.
i mean, seriously, guy's.. there's a lot of kids reading this. KIDS, ok? probably a lot of sad nerds too (like me). people who are unconsciously looking for something to "enhance their lifes" a.k.a. escape reality.
not sure if we really need a praise on drugs here... not the right place, i think.
the day TL censors normal discussions is the day the TL spirit dies.
also i smoke since i was 15.. so started quite early. now im almost 26. the daily smoker. long term effects?yeah you get more lazy. yeah you might lose the motivation to do other stuff since you just might be more happy with whatever youre doing right in that moment. yeah some paranoia is expected. but in the end its all just some minor mental shit you can easily overcome if you realize that.
but there are people that cant handle it.dont underestimate any drug.
btw weed wont let you "escape reality". at that level alcohol is def the drug of choice for that.
i'm not experiencing minor mental shit. and i haven't been able to overcome it since several years.
i've literally lost fun in all my hobbys. playing games is the only thing i feel able to, but most of the times i'd prefer to stay passive and watch streams. i have to force myself to play sc2. and even then it's not real fun. but it gets me past the day very nicely.
how much do you smoke per day?
ps: i wasnt talking about censoring. i was talking about orb being intelligent enough to not make a praise on drugs in a forum with a shitload of kids.
I actually didn't know that holding it in didn't improve your hit, now I'm afraid of all of the tar I've inhaled... good guide though! and perfect for newbies.
On September 28 2011 09:54 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On September 28 2011 09:42 beg wrote: i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
so take this thread with a grain of salt.
i mean, seriously, guy's.. there's a lot of kids reading this. KIDS, ok? probably a lot of sad nerds too (like me). people who are unconsciously looking for something to "enhance their lifes" a.k.a. escape reality.
not sure if we really need a praise on drugs here... not the right place, i think.
the day TL censors normal discussions is the day the TL spirit dies.
also i smoke since i was 15.. so started quite early. now im almost 26. the daily smoker. long term effects?yeah you get more lazy. yeah you might lose the motivation to do other stuff since you just might be more happy with whatever youre doing right in that moment. yeah some paranoia is expected. but in the end its all just some minor mental shit you can easily overcome if you realize that.
but there are people that cant handle it.dont underestimate any drug.
btw weed wont let you "escape reality". at that level alcohol is def the drug of choice for that.
i'm not experiencing minor mental shit. and i haven't been able to overcome it since several years.
i've literally lost fun in all my hobbys. playing games is the only thing i feel able to, but most of the times i'd prefer to stay passive and watch streams. i have to force myself to play sc2. and even then it's not real fun. but it gets me past the day very nicely.
how much do you smoke per day?
ps: i wasnt talking about censoring. i was talking about orb being intelligent enough to not make a praise on drugs in a forum with a shitload of kids.
Just like with anything in life, moderation and balance is key. Why would drugs be any different? If you eat mcdonalds every day, you are going to have an unhealthy body and your life will probably go downhill. Similar things happen if you smoke cannabis too much.
Personally I don't usually smoke more than a bowl a day (or less), though on special occasions I will indulge.
As for it being a forum that has kids on it... are you implying that drugs should never be discussed on the internet at all? Kids are everywhere on the internet, you can't avoid all questionably appropriate topics just because some kids are going to see it. All you can hope to do is educate them in the most logical and fact-driven way possible. If you think the government propaganda is better, you probably haven't been paying attention to the drug war the last couple decades. When you lie to kids and tell them these specific drugs are terrible and will ruin your life etc, as soon as they learn you lied to them you have instantly lost all credibility. This is what leads to even more drug abuse. You can see the same thing happen with schools that teach abstinence and don't teach about safe sex.
On September 28 2011 09:54 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On September 28 2011 09:42 beg wrote: i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
so take this thread with a grain of salt.
i mean, seriously, guy's.. there's a lot of kids reading this. KIDS, ok? probably a lot of sad nerds too (like me). people who are unconsciously looking for something to "enhance their lifes" a.k.a. escape reality.
not sure if we really need a praise on drugs here... not the right place, i think.
the day TL censors normal discussions is the day the TL spirit dies.
also i smoke since i was 15.. so started quite early. now im almost 26. the daily smoker. long term effects?yeah you get more lazy. yeah you might lose the motivation to do other stuff since you just might be more happy with whatever youre doing right in that moment. yeah some paranoia is expected. but in the end its all just some minor mental shit you can easily overcome if you realize that.
but there are people that cant handle it.dont underestimate any drug.
btw weed wont let you "escape reality". at that level alcohol is def the drug of choice for that.
i'm not experiencing minor mental shit. and i haven't been able to overcome it since several years.
i've literally lost fun in all my hobbys. playing games is the only thing i feel able to, but most of the times i'd prefer to stay passive and watch streams. i have to force myself to play sc2. and even then it's not real fun. but it gets me past the day very nicely.
how much do you smoke per day?
ps: i wasnt talking about censoring. i was talking about orb being intelligent enough to not make a praise on drugs in a forum with a shitload of kids.
I respect both your points. I take a moderate approach. When things are getting too heady, my thoughts misanthropic, when I can no longer relate to people, or have discussions, then I stop. Or, rather, I take it real easy. When those feelings go away, my inhibitions start to lower. It starts out again as a social thing, something I do with my friends. Then it starts getting too heady again . . . It's a decent cycle that's allowed me to experience psychological struggle and identity crises without developing paranoia and schizophrenia.
Coffee can cause amnesia, hyper-activity, AD(H)D . . . but it's a great drug Booze can lower your mental faculties, result in some fairly serious physical harm . . . but it's a great drug. Cannibis is just the same.
But as for the "kids" you're trying to protect? Show me a kid on the web who hasn't been exposed to this sort of content.
EDIT: orb you just hit on all these points! Hats off to synchronicity.
First of all, despite what you said, this is an illegal drug, and you are encouraging people to practice an illegal habit which can get people in jail for a long time. I read everything, and I understand your reasoning, but you honestly are leading people into a trap. Really not smart.
Also consdering many people in tl are under 18, this is even worse.
Granted, if i was older, i wouldn't mind trying it once. but only once. no more.
-_- when I smoked weed and was at my friends place... her fucking dog scared the shit out me, hahaha :D! I was always thinking he stares at me, was funny though.
On September 28 2011 10:18 hp.Shell wrote: Please add Paranoia, Major Depression, Severe Anxiety, Avoidant Behavior and Social Dissociation to the Cons.
Absolutely. Might vary from person to person but I am not very good at holding conversations haha edit: ty for nice blog orb ^^
On September 28 2011 09:54 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On September 28 2011 09:42 beg wrote: i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
so take this thread with a grain of salt.
i mean, seriously, guy's.. there's a lot of kids reading this. KIDS, ok? probably a lot of sad nerds too (like me). people who are unconsciously looking for something to "enhance their lifes" a.k.a. escape reality.
not sure if we really need a praise on drugs here... not the right place, i think.
the day TL censors normal discussions is the day the TL spirit dies.
also i smoke since i was 15.. so started quite early. now im almost 26. the daily smoker. long term effects?yeah you get more lazy. yeah you might lose the motivation to do other stuff since you just might be more happy with whatever youre doing right in that moment. yeah some paranoia is expected. but in the end its all just some minor mental shit you can easily overcome if you realize that.
but there are people that cant handle it.dont underestimate any drug.
btw weed wont let you "escape reality". at that level alcohol is def the drug of choice for that.
i'm not experiencing minor mental shit. and i haven't been able to overcome it since several years.
i've literally lost fun in all my hobbys. playing games is the only thing i feel able to, but most of the times i'd prefer to stay passive and watch streams. i have to force myself to play sc2. and even then it's not real fun. but it gets me past the day very nicely.
how much do you smoke per day?
ps: i wasnt talking about censoring. i was talking about orb being intelligent enough to not make a praise on drugs in a forum with a shitload of kids.
Just like with anything in life, moderation and balance is key. Why would drugs be any different? If you eat mcdonalds every day, you are going to have an unhealthy body and your life will probably go downhill. Similar things happen if you smoke cannabis too much.
Personally I don't usually smoke more than a bowl a day (or less), though on special occasions I will indulge.
As for it being a forum that has kids on it... are you implying that drugs should never be discussed on the internet at all? Kids are everywhere on the internet, you can't avoid all questionably appropriate topics just because some kids are going to see it. All you can hope to do is educate them in the most logical and fact-driven way possible. If you think the government propaganda is better, you probably haven't been paying attention to the drug war the last couple decades. When you lie to kids and tell them these specific drugs are terrible and will ruin your life etc, as soon as they learn you lied to them you have instantly lost all credibility. This is what leads to even more drug abuse. You can see the same thing happen with schools that teach abstinence and don't teach about safe sex.
this isn't a discussion, orb. you are praising weed. biased and one-sided, no real facts quoted. you reduced the risks of weed to the tar when it's being burnt.
your post is like advertisement... in a kid's forum, basically.
On September 28 2011 10:16 VelRa_G wrote: But as for the "kids" you're trying to protect? Show me a kid on the web who hasn't been exposed to this sort of content.
i've never read a similarly euphoric praise on drugs in a non-drug forum ever in my 11 years of interneting.
so yea, i guess 95% of the minors here have never been exposed to a text like this.
On September 28 2011 09:42 beg wrote: i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
I think the type of people prone to daily smoking may have other tendencies that lead to lack of motivation etc, as well as people using weed to self medicate problems... Don't blame the weed, I say .
On September 28 2011 09:42 beg wrote: i'm still not sure about the long term effects of daily or very regular smoking. i feel like i've fucked up my whole motivation severely, but i'm not sure if it's due to the weed. it may very well be. and i see parallels between a lot of heavy smokers.
I think the type of people prone to daily smoking may have other tendencies that lead to lack of motivation etc, as well as people using weed to self medicate problems... Don't blame the weed, I say .
Cheers orb! Here's to 5k more posts :>.
i'm not blaming the weed. i'm just pointing out that orb is a little too biased. he claims that weed has no negative long-term effects, but he doesn't really know, cause no one really knows. scientific studies are very inconclusive about this topic.
and you know, "lack of motivation", sounds kinda cute. but i lost fucking fun in all my hobbys. i felt the fun vanishing over time.
maybe it's not the weed. i hope it's not the weed. i wanna continue smoking :/
Kind of going along with some of the people citing negative side effects of long-term marijuana use, the two heavy smokers I know both suffer from clinical depression and are generally unmotivated people. They cite marijuana as their "medicine" for depression and never realize that it just seems to make them more depressed, from my observation.
I'm a recreational smoker, and do so about once every 6 months, but I'm not convinced that marijuana is without any negative side effects after long term use. It could just as likely be the kinds of people that gravitate toward using the drug regularly, however. It's enough to keep me away from regular use though.
Sweet post man, excellently written and you covered a ton in what I would consider a small space on the subject. Grats on 5k
One thing that wasn't necessarily missed..more so not touched on I'm sure for brevity or lack of information was the sensitivity factor. From my understanding, everyone has a different level of sensitivity to THC, much in the same way two people of the same size may have a different tolerance level for alcohol. I know some people the same size as me who could take one hit from a bowl and be high, while I may need 2-3 before I'm feeling similar effects. Considering most of the effects are relative to the person, this is pretty hard to tell, but I think most people who have used cannabis for awhile could attest to this.
Sad to see there wasn't a guide for a grav, some of the homebrew ones I've seen in college were awesome displays of ingenuity and simplicity. I know the one that my housemates and I had was created by someone in the house while they were high (who says smoking makes you lack motivation! )
I can agree with the sentiment in the thread that regular smoking can tend to decrease productivity and motivation, but I'm sure there are more then a fair share of people who can say their productivity hasn't been affected at all. EDIT: Much of the people I've come across who seem depressed when they aren't high probably just suffer from depression in the first place, not due to the substance itself. If I was to describe what being high is like to someone who doesn't smoke frequently, I use the phrase, "it makes everything less boring". Who wants to clean? Nobody, but it has to be done. If you can clean while your high, achieve the same level of cleanliness, AND enjoy yourself in the process, there's no short term reason not to. I find many people who attempt to stop going back because they realize how much time they spend actually doing nothing or things that aren't even fun to them.
With all the ridiculous medication and substances that are legal, it absolutely stuns me that cannabis isn't legal. The rhetoric that flies around from the governments and other agencies against a naturally growing plant is unbelievable.
Damn I've been blazing with my friend who gets all his stuff from a medical dispensary, and it's been a good year of fun.
However, while knowing almost everything you had to say in this post, I did not know about cornering! Thanks, and I will try it with him the next time we light up!
I'm rather disturbed by this thread and the rampant misinformation.
Here are some facts. I smoked the first joint ever when I was 14, and didn't smoke again till I was 16, and only when I was 17 did I really start smoking. Since 2007 I've smoked daily. With maybe a full 2 weeks of "missed days" in the entire span. Now I will list all the effects.
My stomach doesn't hurt me constantly anymore, to a crippling manner.
I'm much calmer about things in general since I'm a very "anxious" person. Because of how my mind works, I anticipate as many possible outcomes of my current actions and pick the best path, and sorry if this is bragging, but my brain works shockingly well and too many possibilities leads to many bad ones, and one gets "anxious" about what one does not know. When I've been sober a long time the problems in my head get bigger and bigger, I think about large scale major world issues and problems, and this gets very depressing. When I smoke my world shrinks to a very manageable scale of things in my control which helps ease the mind greatly.
On a side note, I believe people call this "paranoia" or getting really worried about things. I think this is less about "a side effect of weed" and more about your minds ability to anticipate future possibilities. When you're baked your mind works better believe it or not, and you'll be more able to understand the repercussions of your actions better. Bad things can happen cause you smoke weed, and you fixate on them to an obsessive point cause it's just in your nature for your mind to want to avoid it.
That's not weeds fault people get in trouble for smoking it, it's large corporations controlling farming/paper/logging industries that saw hemp as incredible competition.
Some more facts.
I'm FAR better in social situations baked, and even sober, than I was 5 years ago. Some people might know my type, I'm "gifted" in music, math, and language, and I have a a very visually based learning. I can close my eyes (or with my eyes open for simpler things like changing groups around on an O-Chem figure on the board) and manipulate 3d space. I can make objects, figures, dissemble and reassemble things all in my mind and see them clearly. Being high helps this immensely and gives me a valuable tool for learning complex things.
That being said, I wasn't very SOCIALLY gifted, as in I just kinda listened and thought in the background in large social events. After starting to smoke weed a lot, I ended up joining the (4 times in a row state champion) school debate team. I did extemp.
What Extemp is for those not in debate is, you get list of topics for the tournament, and you research the SHIT out of them collecting data in a massive bin, and once competition comes, you draw a random topic from the massive list, and you get 15 minutes to outline a 30 minute speech to be spoken in front of a judge WITHOUT notes.
I can do that baked. So stop with your fucking BULLSHIT lies about pot making you "lazy" or "unmotivated"
Maybe it's just your problem, and if there's one thing weed DOES do, its show you your fucking problems.
Its just up to you to fix them.
I go the one of the best hard science and engineering schools in the WORLD, I smoke weed errrrrry day. Whats your problem?
On September 28 2011 10:17 zeOllie wrote: First of all, despite what you said, this is an illegal drug, and you are encouraging people to practice an illegal habit which can get people in jail for a long time. I read everything, and I understand your reasoning, but you honestly are leading people into a trap. Really not smart.
Also consdering many people in tl are under 18, this is even worse.
Granted, if i was older, i wouldn't mind trying it once. but only once. no more.
He never encouraged it, he educated people on the subject. Not once did he say "you should try it."
On September 28 2011 11:14 N3rV[Green] wrote: I can do that baked. So stop with your fucking BULLSHIT lies about pot making you "lazy" or "unmotivated"
Maybe it's just your problem, and if there's one thing weed DOES do, its show you your fucking problems.
i feel like you're talking to me, cause i was one of the two persons touching the topic... and, well... in my case, weed didn't "show me my fucking problems". my fun in doing things vanished over time. also my ability to cope with such a problem. but i'm not blaming weed. i researched and came to the conclusion that weed might be the reason.
studies are inconclusive about this. but you're such a smart boy, you can find that out for yourself.
Weed is awesome. Makes me feel great, solved my insomnia issues much better than these shitty pills with tons of side effects.
And while it's true cannabis can make lazy in certain situations (like if you're unemployed an get high all day long you're not likely to motivate yourself to get a job), it helps me to focus better in many situations. I'm a big multitasker and the problem is that I'll always try to do as many stuffs as I can at the same time, resulting in a terrible efficiency at work. When I'm high, I just can't multitask well and I'll just forget everything thing else but my main task. I'm not saying anyone should get high at work, but we all know hard it is not to procrastinate when we have a paper to write.
On September 28 2011 10:17 zeOllie wrote: First of all, despite what you said, this is an illegal drug, and you are encouraging people to practice an illegal habit which can get people in jail for a long time. I read everything, and I understand your reasoning, but you honestly are leading people into a trap. Really not smart.
Also consdering many people in tl are under 18, this is even worse.
Granted, if i was older, i wouldn't mind trying it once. but only once. no more.
He never encouraged it, he educated people on the subject. Not once did he say "you should try it."
come on, you gotta admit, the OP was pretty encouraging, talking about how fantastic weed is and how it enhances your life... you really can't see how this is encouraging?
also, the education value was very low, due to heavy bias.
On September 28 2011 10:17 zeOllie wrote: First of all, despite what you said, this is an illegal drug, and you are encouraging people to practice an illegal habit which can get people in jail for a long time. I read everything, and I understand your reasoning, but you honestly are leading people into a trap. Really not smart.
Also consdering many people in tl are under 18, this is even worse.
Granted, if i was older, i wouldn't mind trying it once. but only once. no more.
Different countries different laws, some ban alcohol and some legalize weed. If it was any moral issue to anyone you could just close the tab, so long as all the cannibus related things stay in their proper thread. High Thread Also, someone mentioned cons for vaping, in the post i made, i ment i wanna hear con's for vaping because i swear alot of the people i know just down right hate it.
Negative Effects: Can lead to flunking of drug tests that some businesses use prior to employment consideration. See Legality of Cannabis by Country.
Not that I really think a casual reader of this forum would be in the dark about the legality of cannabis in, say, the United States, but it does appear that the beneficial effects outweigh the negative effects from your post. Yet you are (assuming USA) de-facto engaged in criminal activity if you are not using it for medicinal purposes (or engaged in a dangerous habit if you aren't using for medicinal purposes AND in a state where it is decriminalized).
Eh deserves mention. Wish I could assume people reading the forum would know about the legal risks of using cannibis in countries where it is nominally illegal. Not even casual mention in OP though =(. Let me add that I choose to take caffeine and alcohol in legal fashion, but do not use cannibis for employment considerations (Do business with Fed Gov't and must be tested annually) and the risk of arrest/record. Just hope nobody here is uninformed as to other non-medical risks to using the drug.
On September 28 2011 11:58 ThaZenith wrote: Ah, I'm the type of person who'd love to at least try it sometime, but has no idea how to get any because I don't hang out in that sort of crowd.
Good 5k.
You've never answered your door and met a sort of zoned out pizza guy? =P
I smoke a ton, as you well know already orbycakes.
To anyone who complain about it, we realize it isn't for anyone. ANY drug effects people in different ways. We aren't all like those shady motherfuckers who will pressure you into trying ALL SORTS OF DRUGS!!111, like DARE would have you believe. Ganja can bring up things from your inner psyche that you would rather keep buried down. If even after quitting, you guys are still experience social anxiety or other issues... I'd highly recommend seeing a shrink, cause you could have something else going on in your head that the herb brought out.
I stress safe usage. Don't be stupid, get up to a [10] and start driving. That's just a terrible idea, and gives the rest of us a bad name. Use it after you're done with all sorts of work / obligations. After all, you wouldn't show up to work drunk... would you? (If you do, I apologize and power to you).
Also if you guys decide to try this or ANY other drug. www.erowid.org. Research it using that site. Don't trust lies from the government, and don't trust people on random pro-drug forums. Know your body, know your dosage, and have someone watching you the first few times you try psychs. If anyone wants to know my experiences with psychs, PM me or something, I'd be happy to share.
As for the negative effects on the lungs, the data is inconclusive. Both camps have research and studies with contrasting results. The general rule of thumb is that if you want to save your lungs, either vaporize or eat it. but now that I think about it... michael fucking phelps. bong rips and still got gold medals. I imagine if it messed your lungs too badly, he wouldn't be able to do it :p. Joints + blunts = most tar of any smoking method, I think. Blunts even more so because of the tobacco wrapper.
Also @ the guy who said he "doesn't hang with that crowd". Honestly dude, you'd be surprised who smokes. Plenty of people, from doctors to med students, to lawyers (lolol) to that kid bagging groceries.
On September 28 2011 10:16 VelRa_G wrote: But as for the "kids" you're trying to protect? Show me a kid on the web who hasn't been exposed to this sort of content.
Everyone on the web has been exposed to weed, but not in depth like this. and also they probably dont have people telling them that weed is GOOD for you which is what orb here is saying. like someone sad above, this is all bias from orb. and he missed out a lot of cons.
I think a lot of tl staff wouldn't condone this type of post.
On September 28 2011 10:16 VelRa_G wrote: But as for the "kids" you're trying to protect? Show me a kid on the web who hasn't been exposed to this sort of content.
Everyone on the web has been exposed to weed, but not in depth like this. and also they probably dont have people telling them that weed is GOOD for you which is what orb here is saying. like someone sad above, this is all bias from orb. and he missed out a lot of cons.
I think a lot of tl staff wouldn't condone this type of post.
Why don't you PM a mod then, instead of bashing orb's blog?
Outdoor activities -- Things like riding a bike, going canoeing on a lake, or going hiking can be great fun when high. There's something about cannabis that really makes you appreciate nature in all its glory, so I definitely recommend trying your favorite outdoor activity while under the influence.
Going hiking while zooted can be amazing I can vouch for this. Me and a friend recently tried it and we wound up running through the forest chasing squirrells or something and it ended with us being 5 miles out of the way in the middle of the forest and my friend having to climb a tree to get enough cell reception to power the compass in my iPhone.
Anyways you should add long time respiratory issues to your con's list because its definately a concern. Smoke is still smoke and will still fuck up your lungs. Not nearly as bad/as fast as tobacco, but my Uncle was a long term ent and wound up needing inhalers later in life because of it.
oh hey for the complainers ill balance some of this shit out
1.) weed is bad for your lungs 2.) weed can make you care less about shit you might want to care about 3.) weed costs money 4.) weed can make you paranoid/dumb if u get rly high
.........yeah there arent really many negative side effects so complaining is kinda dumb
I find it absolutely comical that people are worried about me promoting a drug that is (relatively speaking) safe because kids might see it. Have you people never watched TV? There are beer (and used to be tobacco too) commercials all the time.. How is this any worse?
To everyone who posted a response that wasn't straight propaganda/hearsay based bashing, thank you <3
Especially enjoyed the long responses like lokgar's and nerv's
On September 28 2011 18:33 -orb- wrote: I find it absolutely comical that people are worried about me promoting a drug that is (relatively speaking) safe because kids might see it. Have you people never watched TV? There are beer (and used to be tobacco too) commercials all the time.. How is this any worse?
To everyone who posted a response that wasn't straight propaganda/hearsay based bashing, thank you <3
Especially enjoyed the long responses like lokgar's and nerv's
I don't see anything more misleading in your OP than most things kids are subjected to on a daily basis. Props for this, I quit smoking three months ago to try to find a job and I personally can't wait to have some stability in my life so I can spark up again
drugs are not good for you in any way possible! if you have the absolutely dumb ass excuse of "oh, man, but it grows in the dirt!" well to you i say, you are a fucking moron. coal is a naturally formed substance and have you ever tried smoking that shit.. no because you would die.
Nature made us the way we are because we work. and to the people that say 'Its not as bad as some other drugs,' you are stupid dumb asses. buying marijuana means that you are in contact with a drug dealers. you will always be constantly pressured to try newer harder drugs and if you are high at the time you 'dont really care,' so you might buy them.
i really thought the world of orb, i listened to him casting the korean weekly for the semis and the finals (including the mute game :/) and when he said he had made his 5000th post i was genually excited as i thought it was going to be something with great substance to it. however i come to find that it is a blog about weed.
TL.net is THE goto place for starcraft news and everything that is starcraft. having a post that is seen on the side saying "Cannabis and you! A newbies guide" it is NOT acceptable.
now i understand that my view is going to be seen as an ignorant asshole that has never done anything and to you i say, stfu i can say what i want.
So I smoked for about 2 years almost everyday. Towards the end I started getting soooo paranoid. Now ever time I get the urge to start again I think that I wont and do it again, but then it happens!.... Anyone else had this problem or what I can do to get over it?
On September 28 2011 19:16 ChoboKal wrote: So I smoked for about 2 years almost everyday. Towards the end I started getting soooo paranoid. Now ever time I get the urge to start again I think that I wont and do it again, but then it happens!.... Anyone else had this problem or what I can do to get over it?
Usually you get paranoid when you're really high, but it's totally reversible.
On September 28 2011 19:16 ChoboKal wrote: So I smoked for about 2 years almost everyday. Towards the end I started getting soooo paranoid. Now ever time I get the urge to start again I think that I wont and do it again, but then it happens!.... Anyone else had this problem or what I can do to get over it?
Usually you get paranoid when you're really high, but it's totally reversible.
I'm never paranoid during working hours.
hahah thats where it all started. Ya that was what I was thinking too, maybe I was smoking to powerful of stuff. It was medicinal from California. Maybe mids would be better?
I find it absolutely comical that people are worried about me promoting a drug that is (relatively speaking) safe because kids might see it. Have you people never watched TV? There are beer (and used to be tobacco too) commercials all the time.. How is this any worse?
To everyone who posted a response that wasn't straight propaganda/hearsay based bashing, thank you <3
It was relatively disingenuous to list a comparison between cannibis and other drugs
First I feel some perspective on things needs to be added. Caffeine, alcohol, nicotine(tobacco), and over-the-counter medications are all drugs. The government might not label them as scheduled/dangerous drugs due to lobbyists/etc, but they are just as much drugs as cannabis is. Most are actually much more addictive and dangerous than cannabis. If you already use one or more of the drugs listed, yet you have a negative stigma towards cannabis due to it being labeled by the government as a dangerous drug, I'd advise you drop any negative attitude about cannabis, forget everything you learned about it in school, and research it on the internet with an open mind.
and not drop one word about the illegality of owning some (being caught with certain number of grams on it) or of using it publically. Or at least, no mention of relative odds about getting caught and possible consequences. Say what you want about Caffeine (I am a recreational drug user when it comes to that), but it will rarely land you in trouble with law enforcement.
Call it all due to lobbyists pressure. Call it non dangerous. Label others as negative nancies. But don't omit the possible negative result of something on your record and jail time. Make a day of it and list all the reasons you aren't in trouble with law enforcement (Medical Marijuana in your state? Laws limiting prosecution? So many people do it that the odds are on your side?). Just see a one-sided discussion of cannibis vs caffeine, alcohol etc in a post that purports to discuss the negative as well as the positive.
I've only really got nicely high a couple of times, mostly it just makes me a bit edgy tbh. Maybe stems back to the first time I tried it (put some resin in the middle of a cake and ate it) I ended up feeling like I was going to throw up then had some quite a crazy time trying to get to sleep heheh. Regardless, I get the impression from daily users that it can easily become quite a problem. I do think it should be legalised (along with a lot of other "drugs"). I know this chart is probably bandied around everywhere, but it's quite useful to get the big picture: + Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2011 19:16 ChoboKal wrote: So I smoked for about 2 years almost everyday. Towards the end I started getting soooo paranoid. Now ever time I get the urge to start again I think that I wont and do it again, but then it happens!.... Anyone else had this problem or what I can do to get over it?
Usually you get paranoid when you're really high, but it's totally reversible.
I'm never paranoid during working hours.
Yeah, I`ve been smoking weed for several years now on daily basis, but just few days ago was the first time I overdosed (if you can say such thing about weed) and became so paranoid, that I threw away a month supply of weed in the toilet, because I was sure cops are coming to get me :D
On September 28 2011 19:09 brendaaan wrote: drugs are not good for you in any way possible! if you have the absolutely dumb ass excuse of "oh, man, but it grows in the dirt!" well to you i say, you are a fucking moron. coal is a naturally formed substance and have you ever tried smoking that shit.. no because you would die.
Nature made us the way we are because we work. and to the people that say 'Its not as bad as some other drugs,' you are stupid dumb asses. buying marijuana means that you are in contact with a drug dealers. you will always be constantly pressured to try newer harder drugs and if you are high at the time you 'dont really care,' so you might buy them.
i really thought the world of orb, i listened to him casting the korean weekly for the semis and the finals (including the mute game :/) and when he said he had made his 5000th post i was genually excited as i thought it was going to be something with great substance to it. however i come to find that it is a blog about weed.
TL.net is THE goto place for starcraft news and everything that is starcraft. having a post that is seen on the side saying "Cannabis and you! A newbies guide" it is NOT acceptable.
now i understand that my view is going to be seen as an ignorant asshole that has never done anything and to you i say, stfu i can say what i want.
What the fuck even is this? Half of your sentences don't even make any sense, 'Nature made us the way we are because we work' what!?
I have never had a dealer try and pressure me into doing anything that I didn't want to do, infact almost all of the ones I have spoken to have been genuinely nice people. Most people who deal marijuana only deal marijuana because to anyone who has experienced it or people on it it seems like the most benign substance imaginable.
You haven't actually suggested any downsides to it, only that you'll be pressured into harder drugs. So you're basically saying Marijuana is fine if you're intelligent enough to make your own decisions about what you want to do and don't cave in to non-existant pressure from the big scary 'drug dealers'
'Drugs are not good for you in any way possible' did you even read the post? everything we see as normal like alcohol and paracetamol and aspirine is a fucking drug it's just labeled legal or illegal and you have based your opinion off of that not from actual information.
And why isn't this acceptable, all orb has done is set out some of the information necessary for you to make your own decision.
This is the most ignorant post I have seen on TL so far, you clearly don't know anything about the subject matter so I don't know why you bothered posting.
im all for debate. but honestly a lot of the whine seems to be about how weed can make you lazy/depressed/socially awkward. in my experience this is the exact opposite of true. i find labor alot more rewarding when im high because i can think about all the value there is in what im doing. im less depressed because i notice more of whats going on around me and i look at things in a more positive life. im less socially awkward because it breaks down my inhibitions and allows me to interact with people more easily.
Im not pointing fingers at anyone here, and im not one to lob shit at a fan, but i feel like alot of burnouts would still be burnouts without weed. i think alot of people blame their problems on weed instead of realizing fault in themselves.
that being said theres a difference between drug use and drug abuse. if you smoke an ounce a day, you will damage yourself. its really that simple. if you eat Mcdonalds 3 times a day, you will get fat and die.strangely enough, i dont see anyone whining about the ills of fast food....and fast food is praised plenty on TL and elsewhere on the internet. i mean who doesn't like onion rings. anyways, when it comes down to it, everyone needs to use their own discretion. Even kids. everyone whos saying that kids dont already have access to worse shit than this on the internet is either deluded, lying, or simply ignorant of 4chan.
Ps: i feel that if there is some kind of problem with kids having access to this kind of information, that the parents of that kid have the responsibility to withhold access to it. This seems a bit more logical than asking the big bad information to go away. that feels a little too Stalinesque for me. PPS: regarding the illegality issue: Of course you must be aware of the consequences your actions may have. this is true of anything. If you dont feel like the risk is worth the gain, then more power too you, no one can question a decision like that. at the same time , if one studies the risks, weighs them against what they stand to gain, and decide to take the leap, then no one can blame them for coming to that conclusion.
PPPS: forgive me for my wordiness. its just how i get things out
Dude, I got a very vivid picture in my head as I read your post (which was fucking shitty, btw) and its a picture of a 12 year old kid covering his/her eyes going "nope nope nope nope nope.."
The amount of ignorance you possess makes me fucking sick to the stomach. The fact that you mentioned TL being a starcraft forum is completely irrelevant.
First, do not act like you have any idea what it is like to be high. A joint does not influence your ability to discern "do care/don't care". A person who would easily fall to the advocate of trying harder drugs would do it anyways, regardless of how baked he is.
But it's cool, you enjoy your life that will never experience the amazing encounters/conversations/revelations-about-myself-and-my-life that cannabis has introduced me to and continues to accompany me with.
I do hate the negative outlook media has on weed. Yet they continue to promote another drug, alcohol like it is the "cool" and "social" thing to do. They say cannabis promotes lazy behavior, but I personally think that's the negative stigma that is embedded in our minds (sobers and stoners alike... Sadly.) Perhaps it is good marketing to keep people away from cannabis etc.
Just imagine, with marijuana being socially accepted and legalized, how many over-the-counter drugs would become useless?
Orb, if ever you're in vancouver... Don't be hesitant to pm me. Ill blaze you up well. and grats on your 5k post.
weed is good mmmmk? Fourth year systems and computer engineer with good marks gonna save this read for when i get home. Hit a couple poppers, read it then i guess it'll be time to get to work on homework.
Some people believe that smoking weed makes you stupid. This is incorrect, the damage done to your brain is mostly due to the smoke inhaled and less due to the substance.
Smoking weed does in fact make it feel awesome to sit around and do nothing. This is the greatest risk weed involves because if you sit around and do nothing all the time you will be dumb.
If you've been busting your ass doing homework all day everyday blitzed out of your mind you will still be smart. (despite the small difficulty you may encounter with short term memory loss) You will just probably be mellower. If you enjoy the feeling of being high you should smoke weed, end of story.
I hope this post helps people who haven't tried it understand and work up the courage to give it a shot. It's not for everybody but it's for me and many of my friends.
On September 28 2011 19:09 brendaaan wrote: drugs are not good for you in any way possible! if you have the absolutely dumb ass excuse of "oh, man, but it grows in the dirt!" well to you i say, you are a fucking moron. coal is a naturally formed substance and have you ever tried smoking that shit.. no because you would die.
Nature made us the way we are because we work. and to the people that say 'Its not as bad as some other drugs,' you are stupid dumb asses. buying marijuana means that you are in contact with a drug dealers. you will always be constantly pressured to try newer harder drugs and if you are high at the time you 'dont really care,' so you might buy them.
i really thought the world of orb, i listened to him casting the korean weekly for the semis and the finals (including the mute game :/) and when he said he had made his 5000th post i was genually excited as i thought it was going to be something with great substance to it. however i come to find that it is a blog about weed.
TL.net is THE goto place for starcraft news and everything that is starcraft. having a post that is seen on the side saying "Cannabis and you! A newbies guide" it is NOT acceptable.
now i understand that my view is going to be seen as an ignorant asshole that has never done anything and to you i say, stfu i can say what i want.
I'm trying to think of a way to respond to you without just name-calling. It's pretty difficult, because I'm having trouble imagining someone coming to the conclusions you came to with logic.
Your first point makes literally no sense whatsoever. Just because you wouldn't smoke coal doesn't mean you shouldn't smoke cannabis.... they have no relation.
Nature made us the way we are because we work.
I hope you realize this sentence makes literally no sense whatsoever. What you might be interested to know, however, is that we have cannabinoid receptors in our brain. So nature made us in such a way that we can interact with other parts of nature (such as us eating food nature grew for us and using plants for medicine, such as aloe to heal burns and cannabis for all of the positive effects I've already discussed). I guess your point just solidifies more that we are supposed to smoke cannabis, right? Because we were made with the ability to receive it? Now do you realize how unbelievably ignorant and misinformed your silly argument is?
buying marijuana means that you are in contact with a drug dealers. you will always be constantly pressured to try newer harder drugs and if you are high at the time you 'dont really care,' so you might buy them.
This is 100% straight out of a DARE program or health class. Let me ask you something. You seem so very certain that you will "always" be "constantly" pressured to try "newer harder drugs." How many drug dealers have you interacted with that you have this opinion? Oh right, none. You are literally fabricating this out of your ass. I have interacted with quite a few dealers, and I can tell you not even ONCE was I ever even ASKED if I wanted harder drugs, let alone pressured. You probably won't believe me though, since I'm just a "fucking moron" and "stupid dumb ass" as you say. I like the part at the end of this point too, that if you are high you might buy them. How would you know this? You've never been high, so you clearly have no clue whatsoever how the drug actually affects your decision making. Don't make assumptions based on the propaganda you were fed in middle school. It makes you look ignorant.
TL.net is THE goto place for starcraft news and everything that is starcraft. having a post that is seen on the side saying "Cannabis and you! A newbies guide" it is NOT acceptable.
to you i say, stfu i can say what i want.
How hypocritical and ironic is this. You can post and say apparently whatever you want (hint: no you can't, this is a privately-run forum; you have no freedom of speech; you have to follow the rules), but for me to post whatever I want is apparently unacceptable? Teamliquid.net is the go-to site for starcraft, you are correct. This doesn't mean that ONLY starcraft is discussed on the site. There is a starcraft 2 section, a brood war section, and then general sections, blogs, etc. Clearly if you had ever looked in the blog section you would realize people make personal blogs about any topic they want. That's why it's a personal blog.
I gotta go cast but I do see people posting about the fact that it's illegal and that's the sole reason it either shouldn't be discussed or shouldn't be used. Let me ask you guys: Have you ever broken the speed limit in your life? Have you ever rolled through a stop sign at 1 mile per hour instead of coming to a 100% stop? Have you ever downloaded a TV show/movie/album/etc off the internet?
These are all illegal and yet no one cares. Just because our government decided to make this drug illegal in the last couple decades doesn't mean it shouldn't be used/discussed. It's been used for thousands and thousands of years without issue or death, so why should I be concerned?
I still don't get the allure. Your hippy views and dogma $hi'][' is pretentious and war mongering. I believe threads like this are completely indicative of the deteriorating society that has led to things like the great depression, global hunger, michael vick, and terrorist attacks.
the overwhelming acceptance of this thread just proves most of the viewers here at teamliquid are either godless sodomites or raging alcoholics. It's ridiculous how you will go to extreme lengths to prove that marijuana is beneficial. The intuitive logic of agreeing with it is analogous to baby killing and throwing feces in a 400 ft^2 room with an industrial fan on. For this, I must leave before my brains implode and I turn into goo.
On September 29 2011 02:47 Gretorp wrote: I still don't get the allure. Your hippy views and dogma $hi'][' is pretentious and war mongering. I believe threads like this are completely indicative of the deteriorating society that has led to things like the great depression, global hunger, michael vick, and terrorist attacks.
the overwhelming acceptance of this thread just proves most of the viewers here at teamliquid are either godless sodomites or raging alcoholics. It's ridiculous how you will go to extreme lengths to prove that marijuana is beneficial. The intuitive logic of agreeing with it is analogous to baby killing and throwing feces in a 400 ft^2 room with an industrial fan on. For this, I must leave before my brains implode and I turn into goo.
On September 29 2011 03:05 FragKrag wrote: orb you didn't cover beeline!?
I've seen it before but never used it myself
There's a lot I didn't cover to be honest. I kind of got fed up with not being able to post so I hastily posted the thread ^^
Otherwise I probably would have added a section on vaping, tricks to find dealers/supplies, and how to avoid getting busted. Maybe I'll add those later on
On September 29 2011 02:47 Gretorp wrote: I still don't get the allure. Your hippy views and dogma $hi'][' is pretentious and war mongering. I believe threads like this are completely indicative of the deteriorating society that has led to things like the great depression, global hunger, michael vick, and terrorist attacks.
the overwhelming acceptance of this thread just proves most of the viewers here at teamliquid are either godless sodomites or raging alcoholics. It's ridiculous how you will go to extreme lengths to prove that marijuana is beneficial. The intuitive logic of agreeing with it is analogous to baby killing and throwing feces in a 400 ft^2 room with an industrial fan on. For this, I must leave before my brains implode and I turn into goo.
Man I remember when I played SC2 when I was high. I was in a 2v2 with my buddy while we were smoking. I made nothing but drones and didnt make my pool til like 3 minutes in the game. I remember pulling out like 5 drones and micro'd them around the middle of the map and being mesmerized by it for some reason.
After god knows how long I returned the drones to their mineral patches, turned to my friend and concluded that making drones was best fucking thing to ever happen to me in Starcraft 2.
On September 29 2011 02:47 Gretorp wrote: I still don't get the allure. Your hippy views and dogma $hi'][' is pretentious and war mongering. I believe threads like this are completely indicative of the deteriorating society that has led to things like the great depression, global hunger, michael vick, and terrorist attacks.
the overwhelming acceptance of this thread just proves most of the viewers here at teamliquid are either godless sodomites or raging alcoholics. It's ridiculous how you will go to extreme lengths to prove that marijuana is beneficial. The intuitive logic of agreeing with it is analogous to baby killing and throwing feces in a 400 ft^2 room with an industrial fan on. For this, I must leave before my brains implode and I turn into goo.
On September 29 2011 02:47 Gretorp wrote: the overwhelming acceptance of this thread just proves most of the viewers here at teamliquid are either godless sodomites or raging alcoholics.
Not that into green, but it does a lot of good for a lot of people. Also does some bad, but not as bad as booze, and that's each persons place to decide. I'm normally drunk or doing something harder, but I'll corner my next bowl to celebrate your 5k orb!
I always get this annoyed feeling when i read stuff about cannabis. On one hand i hate all the people preaching about cannabis like it's the savior of life and on the other i hate people trying to bash the shit out of it.
I think in the end, who the fuck cares really. If you wanna smoke you will and if you dont then you wont. It's all up to the individual for me. Personally i used to smoke a shitton of weed a few years ago, got tired of it and just stopped. I've seen friends be totally hooked but they all manage, they might not be the smartest beings on earth but atleast they all have a "good life" despite smoking.
Just remember that it is illegal in pretty much the entire world and the goverment is pretty damn rough on people selling and smoking. Just remember that and pass the judgement on your own, not because someone says that you should or shouldnt. finskie out
I used to smoke maybe once a week or so, but each time I smoked I progressively (each session/high since the first) began feeling motion sick during the high. It got to the point that after the initial 15min peak or so, I'd just goto sleep because I felt so motion sick. Obviously I don't smoke anymore, but does anyone have any thoughts on what might've been happening?
On September 29 2011 07:37 takkatakka wrote: I used to smoke maybe once a week or so, but each time I smoked I progressively (each session/high since the first) began feeling motion sick during the high. It got to the point that after the initial 15min peak or so, I'd just goto sleep because I felt so motion sick. Obviously I don't smoke anymore, but does anyone have any thoughts on what might've been happening?
1) smoking too much and not being used to it. 2) Dehydrated. Seriously, drink water it'll help. 3) Not in a good environment / made you feel very anxious / paranoid. 4) allergic to weed or THC. Seriously, it exists.
Orb, I love how you have the balls to subtly promote cannabis on the Korean weekly. As a public figure, you can now join other distinguished celebrities who openly support weed like Jack Black, Snoop Dogg, John Mayer, and of course the Men's Warehouse guy George Zimmer.
Maybe this is the start of a trend where the SC2 community can make a real impact on legislation and finally legitimize the safer alternative.
I remember my university time - most people used to smoke a joint from time to time and tbh it is in no way worse than having a drink. I had my last joint years ago, but some of my best friends still like to smoke on a regular basis and they are actualy proper citizens, that work fulltime, have girlfriends/wifes and don`t fit any typical stereotypes. Use /= Abuse.
Orb, can you give your opinion on synthetic cannibinoids (aka Spice, K2, JWH, etc)? If you have any firsthand experience, can you compare/contrast nonsynthetic and synthetic cannabis? Thanks.
On September 29 2011 10:07 HolyViper wrote: Orb, can you give your opinion on synthetic cannibinoids (aka Spice, K2, JWH, etc)? If you have any firsthand experience, can you compare/contrast nonsynthetic and synthetic cannabis? Thanks.
Although there is literally no academic information on the synthetic cannabinoids (not a single human study has been performed), I have great reason to believe that they present a much larger danger to the average user, especially in terms of heart issues. Although you'll have to simply take my opinion at face value, my dad is the chief medical examiner in a major US city, and I've personally sat in on discussions between him and his toxicologists that made repeated reference to the similarity of the JWH analogues and Methadone in terms of a lengthening of what's called a qTc interval, a recognized factor in sudden cardiac death. In other words, I have anecdotal reason to think that synthetic cannabinoids are straight up not good for you (additionally, they are full agonists of the CB1 receptors, while cannabis is only a partial agonist, and the difference between the two pathophysiologically is immense) and I would steer clear.
I used to smoke a lot. I'd be high(really high. 5-6 bowls)like 3-4 days a week. This went on for 6ish months then I started having really bad anxiety attacks when I'd smoke. Nothing had changed in my smoking habits. Same people, same place, same dealer. I quit shortly after that because I just could NOT have a smoking session without literally freaking out. I'll definitely say it was fun while it lasted though.
On September 29 2011 10:07 HolyViper wrote: Orb, can you give your opinion on synthetic cannibinoids (aka Spice, K2, JWH, etc)? If you have any firsthand experience, can you compare/contrast nonsynthetic and synthetic cannabis? Thanks.
Although there is literally no academic information on the synthetic cannabinoids (not a single human study has been performed), I have great reason to believe that they present a much larger danger to the average user, especially in terms of heart issues. Although you'll have to simply take my opinion at face value, my dad is the chief medical examiner in a major US city, and I've personally sat in on discussions between him and his toxicologists that made repeated reference to the similarity of the JWH analogues and Methadone in terms of a lengthening of what's called a qTc interval, a recognized factor in sudden cardiac death. In other words, I have anecdotal reason to think that synthetic cannabinoids are straight up not good for you (additionally, they are full agonists of the CB1 receptors, while cannabis is only a partial agonist, and the difference between the two pathophysiologically is immense) and I would steer clear.
Thank you for the information, and it's nice to hear someone who knows someone with personal, professional experience with it. In laymen's terms, could you explain what the difference between full and partial agonists are?
(Also, a sidenote: I also thought there were no human experiments done yet, but I just found an article in the Drug and Alcohol Dependance (June 2011) journal that looked at JWH-018's effects of 15 New Zealanders with "serious mental illness" and, consistent with what you said, the researchers concluded "it seems likely that JWH-018 can precipitate psychosis in vulnerable individuals. People with risk factors for psychosis should be counseled against using synthetic cannabinoids.")
On September 29 2011 10:07 HolyViper wrote: Orb, can you give your opinion on synthetic cannibinoids (aka Spice, K2, JWH, etc)? If you have any firsthand experience, can you compare/contrast nonsynthetic and synthetic cannabis? Thanks.
Perhaps a relevant article in the LA Times about this topic and the researcher who created Spice.
I think the people who have nothing nice or insightful on the subject should just refrain from posting. You don't go in to the kpop thread and rant about how kpop is so horrid; don't do it here either.
I didn't need this guide at all, but it seemed informative enough to me, so I approve.
On September 28 2011 23:54 Klonere wrote: Funny if Orb had made a blog about imbibing some fine beers or spirits I doubt he would have gotten half or even any shit at all for doing so.
Funny world.
if it came off the wrong way, i'm not trying to bash orb. I'm just saying that weed is illegal in many places.
beer + spirits = legal. weed = illegal.
I think that's why this blog is getting so much shit.
On September 28 2011 23:54 Klonere wrote: Funny if Orb had made a blog about imbibing some fine beers or spirits I doubt he would have gotten half or even any shit at all for doing so.
Funny world.
if it came off the wrong way, i'm not trying to bash orb. I'm just saying that weed is illegal in many places.
beer + spirits = legal. weed = illegal.
I think that's why this blog is getting so much shit.
beer + spirits = worse for you than weed weed = not worse for you than weed
maybe the question should be why weed is illegal and cigarettes and alcohol are legal. not why he is making a guide on weed.
People that are rioting about weed have never had a colossal migraine that feels like it's going to rip your brain in two half's.Instead of chukking down painkillers every few hours,you roll up a fat blunt and go to sleep like a little baby.
On September 28 2011 23:54 Klonere wrote: Funny if Orb had made a blog about imbibing some fine beers or spirits I doubt he would have gotten half or even any shit at all for doing so.
Funny world.
if it came off the wrong way, i'm not trying to bash orb. I'm just saying that weed is illegal in many places.
beer + spirits = legal. weed = illegal.
I think that's why this blog is getting so much shit.
beer + spirits = worse for you than weed weed = not worse for you than weed
maybe the question should be why weed is illegal and cigarettes and alcohol are legal. not why he is making a guide on weed.
I am not sure where people get the idea that beer+spirits is worse for you than weed. Beer is actually relatively nutritious, and in moderation, alcohol doesn't have any significant negative health effects if you are not pregnant (and some studies show that it may even have positive effects). Spirits don't really contain anything nutritious, but once again, in moderation, your body just filters out the alcohol without any damage (and the potential positive health effects of low amounts of alcohol may also apply). On the other hand, cannabis has no nutritional content and, like every other plant, when its smoke is inhaled, it introduces tar into your lungs.
I've been smoking once a month or at most twice a month for about a year and a half now but I still cough a lot. Like I'm hackin on the ground gasping for air if I take a respectably big hit. Anyone have any idea whats wrong? Weed costs too much to smoke more but it's good for relaxation and I hate having to dread the coughing. Do I have weak lungs or something.
On September 28 2011 23:54 Klonere wrote: Funny if Orb had made a blog about imbibing some fine beers or spirits I doubt he would have gotten half or even any shit at all for doing so.
Funny world.
if it came off the wrong way, i'm not trying to bash orb. I'm just saying that weed is illegal in many places.
beer + spirits = legal. weed = illegal.
I think that's why this blog is getting so much shit.
beer + spirits = worse for you than weed weed = not worse for you than weed
maybe the question should be why weed is illegal and cigarettes and alcohol are legal. not why he is making a guide on weed.
I am not sure where people get the idea that beer+spirits is worse for you than weed. Beer is actually relatively nutritious, and in moderation, alcohol doesn't have any significant negative health effects if you are not pregnant (and some studies show that it may even have positive effects). Spirits don't really contain anything nutritious, but once again, in moderation, your body just filters out the alcohol without any damage (and the potential positive health effects of low amounts of alcohol may also apply). On the other hand, cannabis has no nutritional content and, like every other plant, when its smoke is inhaled, it introduces tar into your lungs.
If everyone drank in moderation, then yes, alchohol would not be that bad. But guess what? Many people don't. Drunk driving kills a lot of people especially teenagers and young adults, increases the chance of getting cancer, impairs judgement, and it is very addicting too. On the other hand, as other people mentioned, marijuana has never directly caused death, helps cancer patients eat (which is important because many suffer from malnutrition), does not impair judgement (impairs motor functions a bit), and is way less cancerous.
On September 28 2011 19:09 brendaaan wrote: drugs are not good for you in any way possible! if you have the absolutely dumb ass excuse of "oh, man, but it grows in the dirt!" well to you i say, you are a fucking moron. coal is a naturally formed substance and have you ever tried smoking that shit.. no because you would die.
Nature made us the way we are because we work. and to the people that say 'Its not as bad as some other drugs,' you are stupid dumb asses. buying marijuana means that you are in contact with a drug dealers. you will always be constantly pressured to try newer harder drugs and if you are high at the time you 'dont really care,' so you might buy them.
i really thought the world of orb, i listened to him casting the korean weekly for the semis and the finals (including the mute game :/) and when he said he had made his 5000th post i was genually excited as i thought it was going to be something with great substance to it. however i come to find that it is a blog about weed.
TL.net is THE goto place for starcraft news and everything that is starcraft. having a post that is seen on the side saying "Cannabis and you! A newbies guide" it is NOT acceptable.
now i understand that my view is going to be seen as an ignorant asshole that has never done anything and to you i say, stfu i can say what i want.
On September 28 2011 23:54 Klonere wrote: Funny if Orb had made a blog about imbibing some fine beers or spirits I doubt he would have gotten half or even any shit at all for doing so.
Funny world.
if it came off the wrong way, i'm not trying to bash orb. I'm just saying that weed is illegal in many places.
beer + spirits = legal. weed = illegal.
I think that's why this blog is getting so much shit.
You don't know where anyone here lives. It is decriminalized in many places including a portion of the united states. Alcohol is illegal in some islamic states, we must stop those topics too.
Honestly, If it was legal, I'd be all over this stuff (in moderation of course, don't want to get addicted), but I can't risk using it when it is still illegal. Too much on the line for me to be caught with this stuff
On September 29 2011 23:12 57 Corvette wrote: Honestly, If it was legal, I'd be all over this stuff (in moderation of course, don't want to get addicted), but I can't risk using it when it is still illegal. Too much on the line for me to be caught with this stuff
What's the regulations like over there? Here in the UK it's a Class C (I think). If you are over 18 and get caught with it you get a caution right there on the spot and let you be. It's so irritating though. During the last government, some council suggested the legalisation of several drugs and the government said they would consider it only if their own advisory body suggested likewise. New government, and said advisory body reccommends some legalisation and some downgrades, and one scientist in particular who called for the legalisation of ecstasy actually got the sack instead.
I go out on a night out in town and I see drunk people fighting each other, police sirens going and girls vommitting in the street. I go to a rave and everyone is my best friend
On September 29 2011 23:53 CecilSunkure wrote: You forgot to list long term effects like those on your lungs, speech, and other cognitive abilities.
He covered cognitive effects. What speech effects are you talking about though? My speech is exactly like it was before I started(9 years ago). As for lung effects this can be avoided with the simple use of a butter or vaporizer.
Fact: Everyone in this thread knows countless people who use cannabis, but many of them keep it a secret because of its illegal status. Lawyers, judges, police, doctors, scientists; these people are often the silent cannabis users. When I started using cannabis I had a circle of friends who smoked everyday. They went on to the following job titles:
Computer Engineer Data Infrastructure Engineer Software Developer Professor of Information and Media Studies Elementary school teacher Director of Educational Technology
Thats just off the top of my head. The DEA states that nearly 50% of Americans have used cannabis. The only ones who will admit it publicly are often people who don't have anything to lose from being connected with an inappropriate stigma. The rest are the silent majority.
On September 29 2011 22:13 MattBarry wrote: I've been smoking once a month or at most twice a month for about a year and a half now but I still cough a lot. Like I'm hackin on the ground gasping for air if I take a respectably big hit. Anyone have any idea whats wrong? Weed costs too much to smoke more but it's good for relaxation and I hate having to dread the coughing. Do I have weak lungs or something.
On September 29 2011 23:53 CecilSunkure wrote: You forgot to list long term effects like those on your lungs, speech, and other cognitive abilities.
He covered cognitive effects. What speech effects are you talking about though? My speech is exactly like it was before I started(9 years ago). As for lung effects this can be avoided with the simple use of a butter or vaporizer.
I think he just covered short term effects. I didn't really see anything on long term. I don't know anything about a vaporizer, but I do know that inhaling particles for long periods of time is terrible on the lungs.
And all my family that smoked cannabis for long periods of time had really poor speech afterwords. Slower speech, much less articulate, hard time concentrating.
Also a lot of people that smoke marijuana, younger people around my age, have this certain look to their face; the seem darker maybe under the eyelids. It's a pretty distinctive unhealthy look.
On September 29 2011 23:53 CecilSunkure wrote: You forgot to list long term effects like those on your lungs, speech, and other cognitive abilities.
He covered cognitive effects. What speech effects are you talking about though? My speech is exactly like it was before I started(9 years ago). As for lung effects this can be avoided with the simple use of a butter or vaporizer.
I think he just covered short term effects. I didn't really see anything on long term. I don't know anything about a vaporizer, but I do know that inhaling particles for long periods of time is terrible on the lungs.
And all my family that smoked cannabis for long periods of time had really poor speech afterwords. Slower speech, much less articulate, hard time concentrating.
Also a lot of people that smoke marijuana, younger people around my age, have this certain look to their face; the seem darker maybe under the eyelids. It's a pretty distinctive unhealthy look.
The only long term effects I'm aware of are lung problems caused by smoking plant material. Vaporizer or eating butter doesn't cause damage to your lungs. I've never heard of anyone have speech problems as a long term effect from smoking weed. My eyes are dark at the bottom, it's from my allergies.
I have to side with my favourite semipro on this one. I have a ton of friends who smoke everyday and many of them have slurred speech and they seem a little off. But then again, they take just about every drug I can think of. Yeah, it's probably the meth that screwed them up.
Either way, while I love my marijuana and I support its use, you shouldn't go around saying there's 0 long term effects (besides the lung problem). There's evidence for and against, that's the bottom line. It's up to you whether or not you want to use it.
What I can say with certainty is that it's an amazing drug and it shouldn't be under its current legal classification. As long as you're aware that it IS a drug with potential long term effects and that it IS illegal (in most places), you're fine.
On September 30 2011 01:07 youngminii wrote: I have to side with my favourite semipro on this one. I have a ton of friends who smoke everyday and many of them have slurred speech and they seem a little off. But then again, they take just about every drug I can think of. Yeah, it's probably the meth that screwed them up.
Either way, while I love my marijuana and I support its use, you shouldn't go around saying there's 0 long term effects (besides the lung problem). There's evidence for and against, that's the bottom line. It's up to you whether or not you want to use it.
What I can say with certainty is that it's an amazing drug and it shouldn't be under its current legal classification. As long as you're aware that it IS a drug with potential long term effects and that it IS illegal (in most places), you're fine.
Like I said THE ONLY LONG TERM EFFECTS I'M AWARE OF are lung problems. Bad speech can be so many things, particularly being currently intoxicated. Most side effects are from the method you use your dope not the THC itself. I think you will have a very very hard time finding proof of THC causing permanent damage to your speech because that is simply false.
Good blog. One thing that is noteworthy is that cannabinoids inhibit REM sleep. That means that consuming ganja will make you sleepy but in a knock you down kind of way, not in a good sleep way. Good sleep (with REM) is necessary for certain brain functions and development, so don't smoke before sleeping, ride the high baby!
On September 30 2011 00:08 Dental Floss wrote: Fact: Everyone in this thread knows countless people who use cannabis, but many of them keep it a secret because of its illegal status. Lawyers, judges, police, doctors, scientists; these people are often the silent cannabis users. When I started using cannabis I had a circle of friends who smoked everyday. They went on to the following job titles:
Computer Engineer Data Infrastructure Engineer Software Developer Professor of Information and Media Studies Elementary school teacher Director of Educational Technology
Thats just off the top of my head. The DEA states that nearly 50% of Americans have used cannabis. The only ones who will admit it publicly are often people who don't have anything to lose from being connected with an inappropriate stigma. The rest are the silent majority.
From my experience it's pretty simple. Those that do it and are for some reason proud of it (seriously, it's smoking a plant not the french revolution) are always complete and utter twats. Those that do it in secret arn't. Hence I would like it to stay illegal just so that I personally can spot twats by the smell of their cloths.
You can keep your cannabis. I am perfectly fine without it. I do have alot of friends that do smoke tho. You'd be surprised how many people smoke these days.
On September 30 2011 04:26 AeonStrife wrote: You can keep your cannabis. I am perfectly fine without it. I do have alot of friends that do smoke tho. You'd be surprised how many people smoke these days.
Is it 6? Do 6 people smoke these days? No? Higher or lower?
On September 30 2011 04:12 Hynda wrote: From my experience it's pretty simple. Those that do it and are for some reason proud of it (seriously, it's smoking a plant not the french revolution) are always complete and utter twats. Those that do it in secret arn't. Hence I would like it to stay illegal just so that I personally can spot twats by the smell of their cloths.
O.o. Ents are a lot of things, but certainly not "always complete and utter twats". There's a reason that Good Guy Greg is a marijuana user. In my experience, it's those people who discriminate against marijuana and it's users without ever having tried it who have a much higher twat factor.
On September 30 2011 00:08 Dental Floss wrote: Fact: Everyone in this thread knows countless people who use cannabis, but many of them keep it a secret because of its illegal status. Lawyers, judges, police, doctors, scientists; these people are often the silent cannabis users. When I started using cannabis I had a circle of friends who smoked everyday. They went on to the following job titles:
Computer Engineer Data Infrastructure Engineer Software Developer Professor of Information and Media Studies Elementary school teacher Director of Educational Technology
Thats just off the top of my head. The DEA states that nearly 50% of Americans have used cannabis. The only ones who will admit it publicly are often people who don't have anything to lose from being connected with an inappropriate stigma. The rest are the silent majority.
From my experience it's pretty simple. Those that do it and are for some reason proud of it (seriously, it's smoking a plant not the french revolution) are always complete and utter twats. Those that do it in secret arn't. Hence I would like it to stay illegal just so that I personally can spot twats by the smell of their cloths.
12 million Americans have been arrested for cannabis possession since 1965. Maybe you would like to explain to these people why its okay to arrest them for a victimless crime so that its easier for you to be a bigoted sociopath.
On September 29 2011 22:13 MattBarry wrote: I've been smoking once a month or at most twice a month for about a year and a half now but I still cough a lot. Like I'm hackin on the ground gasping for air if I take a respectably big hit. Anyone have any idea whats wrong? Weed costs too much to smoke more but it's good for relaxation and I hate having to dread the coughing. Do I have weak lungs or something.
On September 29 2011 03:05 FragKrag wrote: orb you didn't cover beeline!?
I've seen it before but never used it myself
There's a lot I didn't cover to be honest. I kind of got fed up with not being able to post so I hastily posted the thread ^^
Otherwise I probably would have added a section on vaping, tricks to find dealers/supplies, and how to avoid getting busted. Maybe I'll add those later on
Please do.
Ever grow your own? What do you use to clean a pipe? Also include prices of pieces and what not to use (pop cans, foil, etc)
I've had some pleasant experiences with the jazz tobacco but I think my friend ruined himself with it. All he thinks about is getting high and is really edgy now, I can barely stand talking to him because of how annoying he has become. The plant didn't cause this, his own attitude did and he wants to be seen as the "stoner"..
The only issue I see here is that the blog condones illegal drug use. I'm not saying it should be illegal, only that it is; and that it's probably not best to be talking about illegal activity on the site that's the flagship of western esports.
On September 29 2011 03:05 FragKrag wrote: orb you didn't cover beeline!?
I've seen it before but never used it myself
There's a lot I didn't cover to be honest. I kind of got fed up with not being able to post so I hastily posted the thread ^^
Otherwise I probably would have added a section on vaping, tricks to find dealers/supplies, and how to avoid getting busted. Maybe I'll add those later on
Please do.
Ever grow your own? What do you use to clean a pipe? Also include prices and what not to use (pop cans, foil, etc)
I've had some pleasant experiences with the jazz tobacco but I think my friend ruined himself with it. All he thinks about is getting high and is really edgy now, I can barely stand talking to him because of how annoying he has become. The plant didn't cause this, his own attitude did and he wants to be seen as the "stoner"..
Prices vary from region, there was a great site that had various price quotes and even a price chart overlaid on a map of the U.S. Never smoke out of foil, everytime you burn something on the foil, bad shit will get into your lungs. Same with popcans. If you can't buy a piece, buy an apple and make an apple pipe. It's fast, easy, and relatively healthy compared to all the other alternatives to smoking. You can just google that.
On September 28 2011 09:33 Torte de Lini wrote: I don't do drugs, but a lot of misconceptions can now be swept off with this entry :3!
Next Lan ETS?
Great post Orb. I love to get high with some friends and relax. Watch some good music, or a movie.
I'd wish I could get high in the day more. Weed tends to get me energized and then very tired, but when it's the day I just feel energetic without the down. I love to cook and do all sorts of thing. Weed just makes everything more awesome, it seems to me. The only people I've seen had bad experience with it is because they were overly nervous about doing an illegal drug! It's too bad, marijuana is so harmless.
I've seen quite a few people do drugs for their first time and all of them had great experiences. Smoking out of a joint/pipe can be rough at first though! I suggest a water bong for first time users. Make sure you try it in the right circumstances though: during the weekend at your friends house where no one will disturb you, not in some sketchy park outside at 2am
Some of them never wanted to try, and hey that's their choice, but I don't know what their afraid of. I'm a curious person and I've tried most drugs I can get my hands on but weed is the only one I've done repeatedly because the absence of side-effects/hangovers ect. Often I smoke so much and sleep 4 hours because I need to go to work the next day and think, damn if that was alcohol I would be fucked up today.
Been actively smoking for what seems like forever - recently stopped because I decided I can live and have fun without it, although I do miss it some times. Food certainly doesn't taste as good anymore
For anyone that's scared of getting caught, try to remember that you won't. I and everyone I know that has smoked has been ridiculously careless and easy going about smoking, I don't know if we've been lucky or if our community just doesn't care, after all we do live in Canada
I would just like to echo some of the other posters who have mentioned that weed can have long term side effects. The stories you hear about guys who started believing in conspiracy theories/UFOs/whatever aren't completely based on nothing. Obviously those are extreme cases, and quite rare too, but the point is that weed can have those effects (to a greater or lesser degree) on certain people, and even more importantly it's impossible to know if you are one of those people until you've tried it a few times.
With all that said, I still support its use in general. Personally my experiences on weed have slowly gone from incredible to fucking awful and so I've pretty much stopped doing it. But it's definitely a drug most people should try at least once.
Awhile back my roomie said he was going to get me and the gf high one day...and didn't. My curiosity is slightly piqued by this thread, I must admit. My previous experiences with cannabis have all been combined with alcohol, and if I was high I didn't know it. I would honestly welcome an alternative to alcohol though, that stuff is just not good for you.
Is it true that americans can be arrested and go in prison just because they have little ball of shit in their pocket as a simple user ? Because i saw a documentary where US policemen knew where the dealers were, so they just waited at the cross of the street to arrest guys who bought the drug, arresting them and they didn't stop the dealers cause they could arrest many ppl like this. This is fucking shit, in france policemen can't do this, you can't sell cannabis but they have to prove that you sell it, and they can't arrest ppl in the streets coz they got cannabis.
On September 30 2011 18:50 AIOL! wrote: Is it true that americans can be arrested and go in prison just because they have little ball of shit in their pocket as a simple user ? Because i saw a documentary where US policemen knew where the dealers were, so they just waited at the cross of the street to arrest guys who bought the drug, arresting them and they didn't stop the dealers cause they could arrest many ppl like this. This is fucking shit, in france policemen can't do this, you can't sell cannabis but they have to prove that you sell it, and they can't arrest ppl in the streets coz they got cannabis.
The technical classifications differ from state-to-state, but where I live (Missouri), mere possession of any amount of marijuana up to 35g is an A misdemeanor, with a maximum penalty of one year in jail, while possession of more than 35g is a C felony (which is a maximum of 7 years).
As a future pharmacist im not all for smoking weed (not that i havent) but i would prefer people on weed than tobacco as its a lot less detrimental to health. But great post. It was generally pretty much correct, good to know uve done basic research over this.
The only reason its illegal imo is because people do stupid things wen high, much like drunks. But alcohol is just an accepted social drug.