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GettingIt
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On September 23 2011 11:38 micronesia wrote: These are 16-17 year olds (as I mentioned) so they are in 11th-12th grade. Yeah when I think back to my high school experience I can't imagine not knowing 1492. To be fair, the physics problem wasn't just basic algebra.... it was substitution. You'd think people would all know that Darwin=evolution due to all the controversy, but they don't pay attention to the outside world. You could be explaining to many of these students how their house is going to explode tonight and they still would barely be paying attention. It's not as easy for me to give hilarious/sad examples, but some students have a lot of trouble with reading and basic reasoning skills, even after all these years in school. This applies to all age levels, though. You can't teach someone who's unwilling to learn. It persists into all ages. | ||
micronesia
United States24652 Posts
On September 23 2011 12:19 GettingIt wrote: When i was 16-17 i would randomly bubble in answers because sometimes i just didnt give a shit. Do these results take that sort of thing into account? As I already said this does happen sometimes but it doesn't account for most of the answers (most of these weren't multiple choice and for the few that were I compared their answers in the multiple choice with their answers in the fill in the blank). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44116 Posts
For one of my geometry classes, my student couldn't complete a proof, so she wrote me a note: "I'm sorry but I cannot figure out this answer, so please enjoy this picture of a fire-breathing dragon  " Best. Picture. Ever. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
The problem is that kids fall behind early, get discouraged, and give up. Culture, peer pressure, and poor home lives are a part of why they fall behind and give up, but our educational system does them no favors either. Students are promoted through the grades even when they are hopelessly lost and failing. They reach high school barely able to read or do simple math, yet are expected to do physics, trigonometry, and read literature. It's a joke. We need to overhaul schools so that students don't move on to lesson 2 until they've mastered lesson 1. Salman Khan did a great TED talk a few months ago about addressing this problem: | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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United States10328 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 23 2011 11:29 Bubelzeeb wrote: Call me stupid... Ok now that that is done, what is real answer? Not part of my general knowledge and google would be cheating. I think the reason it's a stupid answer is because Ben Franklin was never President. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9152 Posts
On September 23 2011 12:28 slyboogie wrote: What state is this school in? Kids don't read at grade level in America, that's just life - I don't know how long you've been an educator, but focus on the standards, improve literacy and don't put too much stock into these kinds of pre-assessments. It isn't your job to put out other teachers' fires. The problem is that teaching towards standards and then assessing them with standardized tests is potentially a large part of why education in this country has gotten in this state. He is teaching marine science in high school; according to the standards, a high school student should already be prepared to learn any subject at that grade level, and not be deficient in core areas. Instead, teachers at the high school level often times have to do what these students' teachers' jobs were in elementary and junior high school. They have to do that work because if they do not, the years of poor teaching which has cultivated such deficient kids will haunt the failure rate of the class and reflect poorly on the current teacher. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On September 23 2011 12:38 itsjustatank wrote: The problem is that teaching towards standards and then assessing them with standardized tests is potentially a large part of why education in this country has gotten in this state. He is teaching marine science in high school; according to the standards, a high school student should already be at a level that makes him or her not deficient at learning subjects at that grade level. Instead, teachers at the high school level often times have to do what these students' teachers jobs were in elementary and junior high school. They have to do that work because if they do not, the years of poor teaching which has cultivated such deficient kids will haunt the failure rate of the class and reflect poorly on the current teacher. Well, he's in a state that actually has Marine Science as a class. Anyways, complaining about the system is one thing but he's employed by the state and that's the system. Is it flawed? Most definitely! Are we in desperate need of reform? Absolutely! But that is not the point. The system can work if a teacher is enthusiastic and energetic, smart and motivated. There is nothing wrong with standardized tests or teaching students standards. If you have to, you shelter your instruction. If you have to you, use SDAIE. If you have to, you make students draw pictures to demonstrate that they've met learning goals. It isn't perfect, it hasn't been perfect for a long time but it's our jobs. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On September 23 2011 11:09 micronesia wrote: Q) How did the Jason, an underwater robot, assist in the photographing of the sunken Titanic? A) It can go underwater. This one made me chuckle. Admittedly, it's not wrong and if I was put on the hotseat I'd probably stammer that as my first answer.  I'm assuming it could do more advanced functions a minisub couldn't? | ||
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zerglingrodeo
United States910 Posts
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Yung
United States727 Posts
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micronesia
United States24652 Posts
On September 23 2011 12:56 Yung wrote: Being in highschool this is insane may i ask what state you teach in? New York State. I teach in one of the best counties for education in the country lol | ||
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9152 Posts
On September 23 2011 12:45 slyboogie wrote: Well, he's in a state that actually has Marine Science as a class. Anyways, complaining about the system is one thing but he's employed by the state and that's the system. Is it flawed? Most definitely! Are we in desperate need of reform? Absolutely! But that is not the point. The system can work if a teacher is enthusiastic and energetic, smart and motivated. There is nothing wrong with standardized tests or teaching students standards. If you have to, you shelter your instruction. If you have to you, use SDAIE. If you have to, you make students draw pictures to demonstrate that they've met learning goals. It isn't perfect, it hasn't been perfect for a long time but it's our jobs. Yeah, working as a tutor at a high school during my last year of university really opened my eyes to just how bad things were in public schools nowadays. I had a small inkling of wanting to be a high school teacher, but my experiences at that school quenched that idea really quickly. To be a good teacher in a system like that really takes a special person, and people should appreciate that a lot more. On September 23 2011 12:56 micronesia wrote: New York State. I teach in one of the best counties for education in the country lol @.@;; | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
the last two governors campaigned on a platform of education and fiscal responsibility both times we saw spending increases. tax decreases. and radical education cuts. given our election system of 30 second clips in which to give a message (tv ads) there isn't really much hope. | ||
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Bubelzeeb
8 Posts
On September 23 2011 12:26 ShadowDrgn wrote: The problem is that kids fall behind early, get discouraged, and give up. Culture, peer pressure, and poor home lives are a part of why they fall behind and give up, but our educational system does them no favors either. Students are promoted through the grades even when they are hopelessly lost and failing. They reach high school barely able to read or do simple math, yet are expected to do physics, trigonometry, and read literature. It's a joke. We need to overhaul schools so that students don't move on to lesson 2 until they've mastered lesson 1. Salman Khan did a great TED talk a few months ago about addressing this problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM95HHI4gLk Thanks for this. Unfortunately I can't watch the clip right now  However, after reading this blog I did a little research. It seems the model that has been most successful is Finland. Great article here. Their sytem took forty years to get right but looks nothing like how I was taught. It deals with the problems you raised but focusing on learning and not passing. There are no standardised testes until your final year. This blog provides a pretty good summary. The main points are
This means that all children start at the same level. To teach in Finland you need at a minimum a Masters degree for permanent placement. Only 10% of applicants get accepted. Education is valued as a driver of economic growth. Iit is seen as a competitive advantage. This extends to books, equipment, meals, transportation etc. Pretty much everything. The exception if the final exam which covers first language; foreign language; mathematics and social/natural sciences. There a national guidelines but the schools are responsible for setting the curriculum and evaluation. There is a wide consensus on increasing technology, environmental sciences and entrepreneurship education. The teachers and unions have been part of the process of developing the system. (What a dream!) One of the key goals was to ensure that schools could cooperate and teach each other. So to me there seems a real commitment to developing learning as opposed to passing exams. It all comes down to whether there is a cultural commitment to education and how willing the society is to ensure their children receive the best. This is a proven system but it would never get support in the US or Australia, which in my eyes is a very sad situation. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + jk, I have seen answers like that on tests before too | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I now know how lucky I was that my teachers generally knew me and I wasn't just another student. | ||
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