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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
July 09 2011 16:08 GMT
#61
How is unit pathing terrible in War3? It was way way better than BW...
I don't think it even matters in War3, a TP is always on hand to use ^^
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 16:46:27
July 09 2011 16:45 GMT
#62
On July 09 2011 21:06 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 17:19 IceSlipper wrote:
And lastly (before i end this gigantic wall of text!), some famous wc3 players who now play sc2!
+ Show Spoiler +

SocceR
And probably many more i forgot to mention!

Soccer is still playing and streaming WC3 though. Are you sure he switched?

He's "switched" in that he now also plays SC2, but he has not stopped playing WC3. (Neither have Moon or Lyn as far as I can tell.) WMF's SC2 roster is basically their WC3 roster.

And WC3 unit pathing is pretty good, IMHO.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
July 09 2011 16:54 GMT
#63
Two other "must watch" games from Blizzcon 2005 Finals between SK.Zacard and 4K.Grubby:

http://followgrubby.com/articles/12
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
July 09 2011 19:03 GMT
#64
On July 10 2011 01:45 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 21:06 Lucumo wrote:
On July 09 2011 17:19 IceSlipper wrote:
And lastly (before i end this gigantic wall of text!), some famous wc3 players who now play sc2!
+ Show Spoiler +

SocceR
And probably many more i forgot to mention!

Soccer is still playing and streaming WC3 though. Are you sure he switched?

He's "switched" in that he now also plays SC2, but he has not stopped playing WC3. (Neither have Moon or Lyn as far as I can tell.) WMF's SC2 roster is basically their WC3 roster.

And WC3 unit pathing is pretty good, IMHO.

Hm, wonder how he distributes his time though, considering that he is still pretty active in the WC3 scene. Really have to ask this the Koreans who always watch him play.

Yeah, and I guess it isn't surprising that one retard/troll defends another one -_-
Bobo_XIII
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States429 Posts
July 09 2011 19:05 GMT
#65
Around the '04 to '05 point, it appeared that WC3 was garnering itself a scene similar to BW's. The two main people driving this were KidArctica and Bunny, on the website wcreplays.com. They went to the events, took pictures, did interviews, shoutcasted games, and provided real nice writeups (KidA's stuff was on par with the awesome TL writeups during the BW days). Surrounding them was a nice set of staff to make the workload easier on them, but it was very apparent that KidA and Bunny were the forces behind everything, doing a lot of the managing of stuff on the website and physically attending events or in some capacity providing coverage by means of shoutcasting.

I'm not entirely sure why or how it happened, but KidA just kinda disappeared. I believe it was WoW that got her. I remember seeing posts about how much time she was sinking into the new WoW betas that were coming out. Bunny took the reigns for quite a while and continued to make things awesome and weave a semblance of a community feeling, but she disappeared eventually. I think she got a new job or something.

I can't speak for how things were after 2007, but if nobody else took up the reigns to keep the ball moving, then I'd say 2004-2006 was the highpoint of WC3's lifespan.
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PetitCrabe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada410 Posts
July 09 2011 19:22 GMT
#66
Personally, I find that WC3 is more fun to play than SC2. I had so much fun playing that game whether was it in solo or multi games. The concept of focus firing, surrounding, retreat although in SC BW and SC2 also, is a little bit more important IMO. I'm not trying to bash SC2 or anything, but mostly in gold leagues and below, all you do in fights is attack move, watch the fight. Everything is dying so fast you don't have time to react properly. In WC3, an orc grunt is going to live forever. Literally. If the orc players loses its 2 early game grunts, oh man, good luck.

It's such a shame WC3 just died. If one day, WC3 becomes popular again, I'm definitly switching. I have to say that WC3 is just plain boring to watch if you have no clue what's going on. A SC2 match is usually fun to watch because it's fast paced, but It's boring for most people to watch WC3 heroes walk around and creep and not engaging in fights for 10 minutes.

famous SC3 players would be Sky, Moon, Grubby, Tod (SHUT YOUR NOSE XD). IMHO, they were the flash, jaedong, stork, bisu of WC3.
valdor4
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States56 Posts
July 09 2011 22:09 GMT
#67
did not play ladder, but was an avid custom gamer for 5-6 years

seriously, you play wc3 for the custom games
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 22:22:21
July 09 2011 22:17 GMT
#68
On July 10 2011 04:22 PetitCrabe wrote:
Personally, I find that WC3 is more fun to play than SC2. I had so much fun playing that game whether was it in solo or multi games. The concept of focus firing, surrounding, retreat although in SC BW and SC2 also, is a little bit more important IMO. I'm not trying to bash SC2 or anything, but mostly in gold leagues and below, all you do in fights is attack move, watch the fight. Everything is dying so fast you don't have time to react properly. In WC3, an orc grunt is going to live forever. Literally. If the orc players loses its 2 early game grunts, oh man, good luck.

It's such a shame WC3 just died. If one day, WC3 becomes popular again, I'm definitly switching. I have to say that WC3 is just plain boring to watch if you have no clue what's going on. A SC2 match is usually fun to watch because it's fast paced, but It's boring for most people to watch WC3 heroes walk around and creep and not engaging in fights for 10 minutes.

famous SC3 players would be Sky, Moon, Grubby, Tod (SHUT YOUR NOSE XD). IMHO, they were the flash, jaedong, stork, bisu of WC3.


I agree. WC3 is fun to play but boring to watch. SC2 is fun to watch, but (for me) too tiring because there are way too many things to do and too unforgiving.

Also I don't know who the hell would think I was trolling about surrounding. In wc3, being able to surround quickly and efficiently with minimal number of units is an essential part of the game and one of the core skills of a progamer in wc3. A single good surround on a hero can instantly make you win the game.
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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 09 2011 23:07 GMT
#69
On July 10 2011 07:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 04:22 PetitCrabe wrote:
Personally, I find that WC3 is more fun to play than SC2. I had so much fun playing that game whether was it in solo or multi games. The concept of focus firing, surrounding, retreat although in SC BW and SC2 also, is a little bit more important IMO. I'm not trying to bash SC2 or anything, but mostly in gold leagues and below, all you do in fights is attack move, watch the fight. Everything is dying so fast you don't have time to react properly. In WC3, an orc grunt is going to live forever. Literally. If the orc players loses its 2 early game grunts, oh man, good luck.

It's such a shame WC3 just died. If one day, WC3 becomes popular again, I'm definitly switching. I have to say that WC3 is just plain boring to watch if you have no clue what's going on. A SC2 match is usually fun to watch because it's fast paced, but It's boring for most people to watch WC3 heroes walk around and creep and not engaging in fights for 10 minutes.

famous SC3 players would be Sky, Moon, Grubby, Tod (SHUT YOUR NOSE XD). IMHO, they were the flash, jaedong, stork, bisu of WC3.


I agree. WC3 is fun to play but boring to watch. SC2 is fun to watch, but (for me) too tiring because there are way too many things to do and too unforgiving.

Also I don't know who the hell would think I was trolling about surrounding. In wc3, being able to surround quickly and efficiently with minimal number of units is an essential part of the game and one of the core skills of a progamer in wc3. A single good surround on a hero can instantly make you win the game.


Sorry for doubting you. I dont know things!
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 09 2011 23:11 GMT
#70
On July 10 2011 07:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 04:22 PetitCrabe wrote:
Personally, I find that WC3 is more fun to play than SC2. I had so much fun playing that game whether was it in solo or multi games. The concept of focus firing, surrounding, retreat although in SC BW and SC2 also, is a little bit more important IMO. I'm not trying to bash SC2 or anything, but mostly in gold leagues and below, all you do in fights is attack move, watch the fight. Everything is dying so fast you don't have time to react properly. In WC3, an orc grunt is going to live forever. Literally. If the orc players loses its 2 early game grunts, oh man, good luck.

It's such a shame WC3 just died. If one day, WC3 becomes popular again, I'm definitly switching. I have to say that WC3 is just plain boring to watch if you have no clue what's going on. A SC2 match is usually fun to watch because it's fast paced, but It's boring for most people to watch WC3 heroes walk around and creep and not engaging in fights for 10 minutes.

famous SC3 players would be Sky, Moon, Grubby, Tod (SHUT YOUR NOSE XD). IMHO, they were the flash, jaedong, stork, bisu of WC3.


I agree. WC3 is fun to play but boring to watch. SC2 is fun to watch, but (for me) too tiring because there are way too many things to do and too unforgiving.

Also I don't know who the hell would think I was trolling about surrounding. In wc3, being able to surround quickly and efficiently with minimal number of units is an essential part of the game and one of the core skills of a progamer in wc3. A single good surround on a hero can instantly make you win the game.

Agreed. SC2 sometimes makes me want to throw my keyboard out the window due to frustration. WC3, on the other hand, is such a chill game (and when I tilt on SC2, I go to WC3 and dick around in the 4v4s). But SC2 is more fun to watch. You get far more "I watch but don't play" fans for SC2 than for WC3.

Hope they come out with a WC4 one day. I think I'd switch in a heartbeat.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 10 2011 00:52 GMT
#71
Alright, I have a less "competitive" question. How was the campaign? Not in terms of learning the game but rather story-wise.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 10 2011 01:09 GMT
#72
On July 10 2011 09:52 Bibbit wrote:
Alright, I have a less "competitive" question. How was the campaign? Not in terms of learning the game but rather story-wise.

I thought it was a lot of fun, in particular the TFT campaign, though the RoC campaign was entertaining too. I actually played through them multiple times, and the story was pretty darn good, IMHO, especially for a fantasy setting.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 10 2011 02:54 GMT
#73
Hokay so I have officially bought and installed the game! It seems I have to fight through like 3 different errors to start up a replay. >_>
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 10 2011 03:10 GMT
#74
Oh replays in wc3 always find a reason not to work.
The campaign is my favourite in all of the RTS's I've played (story-wise).


On July 10 2011 01:08 haduken wrote:
How is unit pathing terrible in War3? It was way way better than BW...
I don't think it even matters in War3, a TP is always on hand to use ^^


Unit pathing is great because you can abuse it in wc3 or DotA. Thats one of the reasons why I dont play LoL or Hon
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StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
July 10 2011 05:22 GMT
#75
Can anyone talk about the Korean map scandal? Did that kill WC3 in Korea?
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Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
July 10 2011 05:48 GMT
#76
On a related note, does anyone else think that the RTS team at Blizzard will start working on WC4 after they finish with the SC2 expansion? I think it is a possibility and I don't see how can it hurt the WoW playerbase when they are 2 different genres.
Bobo_XIII
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States429 Posts
July 10 2011 06:06 GMT
#77
On July 10 2011 14:22 StutteR wrote:
Can anyone talk about the Korean map scandal? Did that kill WC3 in Korea?


here is a good summary of what happened:

http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/9111-MBC_Map_Scandal_Update

I don't know if this particular incident 'killed' WC3 in Korea... it's more like WC3 never even took off. OGN had like 1 or 2 seasons and then just fizzed out. While Koreans still dominated the scene, it wasn't nearly as centralized as BW was to Korea.
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Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
July 10 2011 06:38 GMT
#78
the announcement of sc2 + the recession killed wc3. a few weeks after the big 'recession' all the teams dropped their wc3 divisions and decided that it just wasn't worth it to keep going in the long run.
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 06:59:22
July 10 2011 06:43 GMT
#79
On July 09 2011 19:29 clusen wrote:
Great games? Tod vs Moon wasn't great, was quite onesided actually and just Moon trolling.

-Moon vs his nemesis, the best Undead ever, FoV, at the WCG qualifier 05 or 06 on Twisted Meadows. Such a sick high level NvU in every aspect, like 40 mins of pure skill and action

-FoV vs Grubby on Gnoll Wood @ ESWC 05 - Fov using a unit combo nobody thought would be viable against the Undeadkiller Grubby in such an amazing fashion, MUST WATCH

-Moon vs Grubby @ Turtle Rock during the WEG ToD won(06 afaik), just mindblowing - the winner jumped onto the table afterwards, because he was so pumped after winning it

-FoV vs GoStop @ Echo Isles, just because the winner wins with exactly 1 supply vs 0 :D

And so many more...

Just posting names of good games is not enough, so here is one example of a great game I really enjoyed:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwZ7dsuWSrw (has 3 parts and German casting)


for me the best ever played in my brief wc3 experience is the wcg finals between creo and sky. it was amazing. 4k was having trouble with fov leaving and their other guys(fury and someone else) doing nothing. only grubby and tod were doing shit. then creo comes along, noone thinks too much, and he just completely comes and dominates the scene. then he announces his retirement, and i was dissapointed. i was amazed at how fast he came onto the scene and dominated.

then he says he's gonna prepare for wcg 2007 like 2-3months before and he makes it all the way to the finals. now he was like 20-80 underdog because he had a much easier bracket while sky had to kill all the big pros(i think, a little blurry). he loses the first game. he then fucking tower rushes sky on the second game cuz he thought he was gonna lose anyways i think. after that it comes to a third game where creo stopped sky from fast expanding. then it fucking went into 1base vs 1 base riflecaster vs NE, i didn't see a single riflecaster game in like months. it comes down to the wire then creo gets level 6 demonhunter, GG.

heres the game i just watched it it still makes me soooo hype

http://kiwi.kz/watch/qpyn4s3xvyj4/
acie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States247 Posts
July 10 2011 06:46 GMT
#80
Soccer actually won this weeks wc3 Zotac cup,

It seems like the russian wc3 scene is pretty strong (goodgame.ru), and the chinese scene is pretty good but they have been kind of segregated from everyone else because they use a difficult to use chinese language client and like 90% of them play on older patches. Not to mention their inet connection issues

I think in general the bnet servers should be fine for finding games for people who aren't very good/ just starting out
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