EPTDeath Metal/Deathcore Controversy - Page 3
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zeru
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
I personally LOVE LOVE LOVE Between the Buried and Me. Have every album and love their music hardcore. Only one i didn't like was the self titled album. But i really don't care what genre people put it in. It's music.. Rock n' Roll baby thats what it all is. I have a friend who loves this kind of music and he would fight people to the death about what the genre is.. so funny to watch him get riled up. oh and "real metal" you should say.. you listen to iron? LOOLL troll | ||
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OMin
United States545 Posts
On June 29 2011 00:59 Demonace34 wrote: I just don't understand the whole debate, listening to more mainstream metal or more underground doesn't make you more special either way. I rather someone listen to generic *core music and honestly like it than hear about hipsters that only like underground "real metal" and vice versa. Anyway, I'm one of those guys who transitioned from rap into Alt rock into metalcore. Some examples with videos. I like breakdowns from Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, and For Today. If I want more sweeps I'll listen to The Human Abstract (not their new album) and Return From Exile Human Abstract Return From Exile If I want to go to bed or relax, Darkest Hour, A Day To Remember, Silverstein, and Four Year Stong. that actually goes along with my point, which was "if you alienate deathcore just by genre, you could be missing out".... and id say the reverse with death metal or substitute x genre for deathcore in that statement is equally true. give it a fair chance - don't judge an entire genre off stereotypical and boring bands, unless you really just don't dig the overall sound/style, which is an opinion i can respect if you gave it some reasonable listening. duuude the human abstract! i remember my old bandmate and i were talking about covering vela together we ride the storm years ago - never happened lol | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
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Ravencruiser
Canada519 Posts
I'm guessing the voice is the main reason that makes it "death" metal? | ||
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Ravencruiser
Canada519 Posts
On June 29 2011 00:59 Demonace34 wrote: I just don't understand the whole debate, listening to more mainstream metal or more underground doesn't make you more special either way. I rather someone listen to generic *core music and honestly like it than hear about hipsters that only like underground "real metal" and vice versa. Anyway, I'm one of those guys who transitioned from rap into Alt rock into metalcore. Some examples with videos. I like breakdowns from Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, and For Today. If I want more sweeps I'll listen to The Human Abstract (not their new album) and Return From Exile Human Abstract http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u9KDMWJsAM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA2Zv-ZvEw Return From Exile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RnfL6Sm8AQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtwNvrFr5Xk If I want to go to bed or relax, Darkest Hour, A Day To Remember, Silverstein, and Four Year Stong. Those are some AWESOME instrumentals, but then the voice completely and utterly ruins it for me. Can you post/link me to some stuff with similar instrumentation/BPM/etc. but without the voice? Thanks in advance. | ||
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Elsid
Ireland318 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:59 Ravencruiser wrote: So is it only considered hardcore/death metal/etc. when they do the low incomprehensible rumbling voice? What if they sing normally with the same instrumental? I'm guessing the voice is the main reason that makes it "death" metal? No the voice isn't the only thing, there's also instrumentation , song structure , lyrical themes , typical rhythms , typical melodic choices among many others. Nice try to discredit a genre of music though.  | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On June 29 2011 00:03 Daigomi wrote: I haven't listened to Eucharist in years! It was one of the first metal bands (like, first 50) that I listened to and I remember Fallen being my favourite song at the same time as Arch Enemy's Burning Bridges. Soon after that I went through a very long doom phase, which makes sense to me now. Clearly I liked the slower sound at that time. How have I never heard this band before? Thanks! I love death metal, but I can't say I'm the type of guy who listens to tons of different bands; however, from what I've read/heard/listened to, the distaste for metalcore comes from 2-3 things: the vocals (not sure how to describe it, more like a mix between shouting and screaming than the death metal scream/growl), the breakdowns and the sometimes the small guitar leads/riffs that sound sort of... progressive/happy/high pitched. Mainly the breakdowns. Of course not all deathcore bands have all of the above. Personally I'm not a fan of the sound, but I don't hate it indiscriminately. | ||
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OMin
United States545 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:59 Ravencruiser wrote: So is it only considered hardcore/death metal/etc. when they do the low incomprehensible rumbling voice? What if they sing normally with the same instrumental? I'm guessing the voice is the main reason that makes it "death" metal? | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On June 29 2011 08:04 OMin wrote: Yeah, death metal/deathcore are generally characterized by growl/scream vocals with some cleans occasionally thrown in. some hardcore bands choose to center the vocals on higher clean singing with some screams on the side, but yeah, most of these bands are centered around growl/scream vox. death metal tends to use a more guttural type of growl with less highs usually, while deathcore has a less guttural and more "focused" sound to their vocals, with a lot of switching between the low/mid/high ranges... pretty much deathcore vocals have a sound that is more like hardcore vox than pure death metal vox. hey, did you check out some of the bands i suggested? | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:33 tirentu wrote: The metal community is overwhelmingly elitist.. Yeah this pretty much sums it up lol. I have been a huge metal fan since I was in high school and I don't give a flying fuck about this and that sub label and this and that core. I just like metal that sounds good. Opeth is the fucking shit, one of the bands I have enjoyed the most out of all of them. Nightwish and Cradle of Filth are pretty good I have definitely enjoyed some of their songs. I haven't heard of any of the other bands in the OP, not really surprised because I haven't been exposed to new music in a long time, I am getting old or something. =/ At first in my metal career I didn't appreciate much screaming/growling in my metal, I was more old school squeeze your balls type of vocals. But Opeth was actually the first one that I could really appreciate and enjoy and after that I was able to enjoy others, it is definitely an acquired taste. Also it always seemed to me that the untalented jerks who never learned to play any instrument were always the most elitist of them all - a good musician can appreciate a wide range of genres and that is one of the reasons Opeth is so fucking good, they have a wide range of influences and you can hear it in their sound. There are tons of metal bands that are basically a one trick pony where one song may sound great but after that you realize they all sound almost the same, these bands are a dime a dozen. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Ravencruiser
Canada519 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:33 tirentu wrote: The metal community is overwhelmingly elitist.. Not nearly as much classical musicians I can assure you that  We laugh at the metal kids and dismiss their music as garbage just like most other genres, and moreover we also laugh at their completely unfounded elitism. You have to be elite to be elitist, and metal artists? Elite? Lol, in comparison to Lady Gaga perhaps. An analogy/generalization would be that all the 12 year olds listen to Justin Bieber thinking they're the shit, while the metal community are 30 year olds listening to the likes of Metallica thinking their music is the shit and Justin Bieber is completely garbage. Well, the classical community would be 120 year olds, looking down at all the other genres with elitist batons and tuxedos. The above is not my opinion (I listen to older stuff like slipknot and other genres), but is pretty true among most of my friends majoring/minoring in music. Still the undeniable fact remains that in terms of pure skill/training required to produce the sounds necessary to be deemed good music (in their respect audiences), it is classical music > blue/jazz > metal > rock > garbage music (rap/pop/RnB/etc., rock is where the classical musician in me draws the line). | ||
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xzumiex
Belgium100 Posts
I used to listen only to death metal but didn't really fit in stuff like Nile or Obituary and bands like children of bodom, cannibal corpse, in flames became quite boring to me. Bleed From Within, that's the band that got me into deathcore. This band is still the best one around and makes the perfect transition of the more deathcore voices and the death metal guitar usage. After that i learned about the bands Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, As Blood Runs Black, Chelsea Grin, black dahlia muder, bring me the horizon.. Nowadays I have a hard time finding some bands who are actually good. Personally I see a lot of people were going to hardcore/beatdown just to listen to the breakdowns and that doesn't suite me at all. I really like the bands Despised Icon, Suffokate, Architects, xAFBx (straight edge band) Quite a shame despised icon quit, they totally changed my view on deathcore I can go about it for hours  | ||
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Musclecore
Sweden103 Posts
To me, the metal subculture is a huge part of my identity, and the culture itself is something more than just the music. But it all begins in one end, and that IS the music itself. And when the __core genres get related to the metal culture, it feels insulting somehow. The music may be good, but that's irrelevant in the end. As a metalhead you get guilty by association. You can't talk to anyone who aren't already initiated in the culture about who you are as a metalhead, since the prejudiced views of the masses are dictated by something which isn't even relevant to the whole ordeal. Meh... I feel like I can't write down my thoughts coherrently, sounds like I'm all butthurt, when in the end, I don't really care. (Even if I did when I was in my teens ) I damn the heat and and my fever, and give you some death metal instead! | ||
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strayzor
Germany50 Posts
On July 02 2011 05:18 Musclecore wrote: All I know (as one who listens mostly to the sort of metal related to the "elitists"), is that it isn't metal to begin with. And that I agree with the sentiments posted by Daigomi, even if he himself doesn't want to voice his own stance on the subject. I think that's basically it. I mean if you posted some Nickleback videos, you propably would understand why you get those replies I personally don't hate metalcore stuff. But for the most part i dont like it either (but i like the idea of not calling it metal ).Also, youtube comments are just dumb. | ||
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
On July 01 2011 06:37 Ravencruiser wrote: Not nearly as much classical musicians I can assure you that We laugh at the metal kids and dismiss their music as garbage just like most other genres, and moreover we also laugh at their completely unfounded elitism. You have to be elite to be elitist, and metal artists? Elite? Lol, in comparison to Lady Gaga perhaps. An analogy/generalization would be that all the 12 year olds listen to Justin Bieber thinking they're the shit, while the metal community are 30 year olds listening to the likes of Metallica thinking their music is the shit and Justin Bieber is completely garbage. Well, the classical community would be 120 year olds, looking down at all the other genres with elitist batons and tuxedos. The above is not my opinion (I listen to older stuff like slipknot and other genres), but is pretty true among most of my friends majoring/minoring in music. Still the undeniable fact remains that in terms of pure skill/training required to produce the sounds necessary to be deemed good music (in their respect audiences), it is classical music > blue/jazz > metal > rock > garbage music (rap/pop/RnB/etc., rock is where the classical musician in me draws the line). I'm not invested in this topic too much, though I love metal (along with other genres), but I just thought it was cute how you mentioned "older stuff like Slipknot" when Slipknot universally considered "not metal" (and yes, I realize it is classified as "nu-metal", but it is rap-rock), nor is it old. I'm not hating at all, just found it funny and odd. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On July 02 2011 05:18 Musclecore wrote: All I know (as one who listens mostly to the sort of metal related to the "elitists"), is that it isn't metal to begin with. And that I agree with the sentiments posted by Daigomi, even if he himself doesn't want to voice his own stance on the subject. To me, the metal subculture is a huge part of my identity, and the culture itself is something more than just the music. But it all begins in one end, and that IS the music itself. And when the __core genres get related to the metal culture, it feels insulting somehow. The music may be good, but that's irrelevant in the end. As a metalhead you get guilty by association. You can't talk to anyone who aren't already initiated in the culture about who you are as a metalhead, since the prejudiced views of the masses are dictated by something which isn't even relevant to the whole ordeal. Meh... I feel like I can't write down my thoughts coherrently, sounds like I'm all butthurt, when in the end, I don't really care. (Even if I did when I was in my teens ) I damn the heat and and my fever, and give you some death metal instead!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvZVNiwEKs UGH. FUCK YEAH. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On June 29 2011 00:57 Bleak wrote:In a more serious manner, can someone clearly define what these "core" things are? I am a huge metal fan, but I am not sure I know what the "core" genre is. There is no "core" genre. I think it's safe to say metalcore started when hardcore punk bands started leaning towards metal. And the I'm assuming that people with metal roots didn't hear about it from bands such as Integrity and Converge because they were part of the hardcore scene. Instead, those into metal heard it from, say, Killswitch Engage, and naturally ended up hating it in the guts. But then again I'm a hardcore kid and this is the way it looks from my perspective. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sSgGpdVlAQ&feature=related[/video] [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqsBUFmP3cc&feature=related[/video] Makes no sense, but to each their own! | ||
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