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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 21:36:58
June 25 2011 21:36 GMT
#61
Real sports can take their toll on a body. Lots of players retire either because they're afraid of getting injured as they grow older, or because they have been injured. That's why there is a somewhat limited 'prime' for players which cuts off at about 30.

Could we enforce labour laws that say you can't practice StarCraft for more than 8 hours a day? I guess, but people suffer for their craft. There is no need to artificially lengthen the careers of players who are no longer competitive. BW is special because people are willing to put that kind of dedication in what is, after all a video game. The same way people are willing to put dedication to Hockey, which is, after all, a game. I for one don't care what a bunch of people dicking around look like, I want people who care about what they do. I'm not going to read the novel by someone who doesn't care but has a nice smile, I gonna read the novel that soggy pages from the sweat of someone who takes what they do seriously

This is not a response to the OP, who doesn't deserve one. This is a response to the idea that BroodWar pro's lives are overworked or that there is a tragedy they can't play with 20 somethings into their 40s. This is a game with a physical aspect. If you want a purely strategic game, watch Go (awesome in its own right) or something.
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Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
June 25 2011 23:00 GMT
#62
why did this guy get perma-banned for this post? seems like a fair point, atleast to me.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 25 2011 23:04 GMT
#63
In korea, reputation is everyting. remember, doing untactful shit = lose relationships and like idra did, so no practice partners etc. u cant fuck around in that country.
Aah thats the stuff..
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 23:07:33
June 25 2011 23:07 GMT
#64
i actually agree with him to some point. he over exaggerates it quite a bit though. they aren't just robots, but sc2 appears to have more personality because the game isn't as professional yet. it's just another esport, it aint bw in korea. this allows people to speak their minds and do w/e the hell they want pretty much. it also allows foreigners to get involved, and we automatically feel more connected to foreigners than koreans (some of us).

seriously though interviewing jd or flash is the same thing every time.

"how was your game"

"it was difficult and i hope to practice more"

"was that easier than you thought?"

"no i need to practice more"

"in game 3 you pulled out a special build, was that planned?"

"yes i practiced and made it up"

of course that's just culture. but it's e-sports, you're bound to have more nerds and social outcasts with no personality than most other sports
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 23:16:00
June 25 2011 23:15 GMT
#65
On June 26 2011 08:07 shawster wrote:
i actually agree with him to some point. he over exaggerates it quite a bit though. they aren't just robots, but sc2 appears to have more personality because the game isn't as professional yet. it's just another esport, it aint bw in korea. this allows people to speak their minds and do w/e the hell they want pretty much. it also allows foreigners to get involved, and we automatically feel more connected to foreigners than koreans (some of us).

seriously though interviewing jd or flash is the same thing every time.

"how was your game"

"it was difficult and i hope to practice more"

"was that easier than you thought?"

"no i need to practice more"

"in game 3 you pulled out a special build, was that planned?"

"yes i practiced and made it up"

of course that's just culture. but it's e-sports, you're bound to have more nerds and social outcasts with no personality than most other sports


Your thinking of Flash / Bisu. Jaedong isn't really like that, neither is Stork.

Remember the time Jaedong said his opponent played like the computer?

Also being translations it doesn't help in getting the full nuance across.
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Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
June 25 2011 23:44 GMT
#66
I was reading this blog 2 days ago when I was still temp banned, and I gave it 2 more days for the OP to get nuked.

I was not disappointed in my banestimation skills.
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
June 26 2011 00:08 GMT
#67
I guess a lot of it for me is the whole "I dont speak korean" thing. :D I've watched quite a bit of BW but never any translated shows like Old Boy or anything. So I really dont know diddly squat about anyones personality.

Contrast that with sc2, where mostly everything is available in english and I get to understand wtf is happening.
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
June 26 2011 00:11 GMT
#68
On June 26 2011 09:08 Bibbit wrote:
I guess a lot of it for me is the whole "I dont speak korean" thing. :D I've watched quite a bit of BW but never any translated shows like Old Boy or anything. So I really dont know diddly squat about anyones personality.

Contrast that with sc2, where mostly everything is available in english and I get to understand wtf is happening.


You *really* need to watch the Old Boy shows then, it reveals so many subtle things in progaming culture that you wouldn't see through the matches or official interviews.
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