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Today I saw comments like this on Twitter:
"I cannot watch anymore of @gretorp 's games. He's talking rubbish, hardly good english. Wont be paying for season 2 if he is still around." and "please fire @gretorp"
Why is people so angry with him? I haven't watched a lot of NASL since I find SC2 boring to watch, but the games I saw I think he did a very good job. Gretorp is a theorycrafter deluxe, and he knows a lot about the game. He isn't the best caster yet, but I definitely think he has the potential, and his voice is just soooo nice!
I also saw people complaining about yelling, but it's really not his fault that the sound technicians don't put on compression on the microphone tracks.
Gretorp is the only reason I would buy a NASL ticket. Why are there so many haters?
 
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Because its a bunch of new posters who have no respect for most old school bw players
They should be honored someone as good as Gretorp decided to even commentate for them.
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Because they're more vocal than the people who like him?
<3 Gretorp and I like his style of casting way more than most casters. It's a great mix of being analytical without sounding like he knows better than the players. He could work on his intensity and the frequency of some of his sayings more, but it's a minor criticism imo.
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There are gretorp haters? The hell lol? In terms of theorycrafting and explaining...I think he is honestly the best out there. His english is perfect...I don't get thw quote about how he doesn't speak english well enough.
Gretorp has been in the SC scene for a REALLY long time, I am a huge fan of his.
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I like Gretorp. They're retards.
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Ive liked Gretorp doing analysis (in both BW and SC2) but not so much his NASL casting. His enthuthiasm just feels forced atm. Maybe with a bit more experience he can hone it but as of now its kind of sub par. I think he should leave the colour commentary to Diggity and Khaldor. Gretorp should just cast it like Artosis, going with his strengths (analysis).
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Sounds like the bad end of a lot of drinking.
I hope anyone who reads a lot of bad shit about them know that those who are satisfied, remain quiet and appreciative.
Huge fan of Gretorp.
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he certainly did well yesterday, without inc around he really took it upon himself to provide a nice focused commentary
i'm not sure i can say the same about the day before thoug
On April 15 2011 06:59 Entropic wrote:
but not so much his NASL casting. His enthuthiasm just feels forced atm. Maybe with a bit more experience he can hone it but as of now its kind of sub par.
think it was this
*but he did well yesterday
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the problem with gretorp is actually gretorp's microphone
first impressions mean a lot but once they fix the volume clipping issue i think people will get over it
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On April 15 2011 07:05 Zanno wrote:
the problem with gretorp is actually gretorp's microphone
first impressions mean a lot but once they fix the volume clipping issue i think people will get over it
Agreed. The HUGE variance in his mic volume is pretty distracting, and I think fixing that would be a tremendous improvement.
Otherwise, I'm rather fine with Gretorp's casting. Though the enthusiasm does seem a bit forced, I do believe that he actually is expressing genuine enthusiasm, except he still needs to refine that expression to be more believable and less distracting.
I really do enjoy Gretorp's analysis as it is usually quite accurate and insightful. Honestly, I really dislike people saying that even KellyMilkies should replace Gretorp. Though I found her casting to be quite bearable, Gretorp's speech and analysis are simply worlds better and clearer even though he still needs work to compete with more established casters like Day9 and Artosis.
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People will always find something to hate I suppose. It's too early to judge him as an NASL caster yet, seeing as he's done two days worth of commentaries for NASL. It's not like Tastosis was perfect for GOM season 1. They were calling units by their BW counterparts and forgot the production tab occasionally.
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I thought overall he did a great job but there were points that were kinda painful. For example DarkForce vs. Cruncher at the end, him overhyping cruncher's vortex that didn't really matter and how cruncher completely outplayed Darkforce.
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I like Gretorp too but if the nasl is someone's first exposure to him I can understand not liking him. Last night he was like a over the top parody of the forced excitement tryhard youtube casters I can't stand to watch. I had to close the stream after that vortex call.
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People will bitch and complain about anything. Add to that that it's on a website where the creators of content actually listen to the community and this is what you get. Imagine if a legitimate television show you watched got feedback from the millions of viewers it had and listened to the people complaining all of the time. The fact that the NASL listens is good, but it creates this space where everybody thinks their opinion is so important and must be heard.
Add to that mob mentality that runs rampant online and this is what you get.
Is he the best caster? No. Is he a fine caster? yes. And, as others have stated, if his mic volume is fixed I imagine 50% of complaints will go away, or more.
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he's the only reason you'd buy a ticket? fair enough if you like him that much but i would never buy a ticket to a tournament just for the casters, i would only get it for the games.
i'm fine with him, he was really good with the GCPL, he has looked a little nervous in the NASL so far, stuttering etc and the sound quality and lack of music have made it look a little worse than it is but he's still fine and will only get better as far as i can see. I've really never understood how people can be so passionate about their dislike of some casters, people seem to claim they are criticizing casters "for ESPORTS" but it is almost always nasty and quite personal, reddit starcraft seems particularly bad for this kind of stuff
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The content of what he says is fine enough. He just seemed awkward on camera, microphone problems, forced enthusiasm, some trouble with the co-casting aspect... all things that are easily explained as being the start of something new that takes some adjustments and getting used to.
I don't think what I've seen so far from him has been super great-- but at the same time, he definitely deserves some time before anyone should really be complaining. I'm sure he'll adjust and people will forget about it quickly enough.
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People say he's good at theory crafting and analysis but... when he's casting the games he's like "Ok so I think he's gonna get stim now..." after stim is already started researching.... How is that theory crafting if he's just saying stuff that's already being displayed on screen? Artosis is the only person I know that is fantastic at knowing what players are going to do WELL before they do it, and he does it in terms of strategy and not just what unit/upgrade he's gonna get next.
Also Gretorp is kind of boring, like others have said his enthusiasm feels forced, he doesn't have good chemistry with inc at all I think. I don't think his voice is quite right and he does stumble on a lot of words, it feels like he's trying to be a cross between artosis and tasteless, and he's not quite hitting either mark.
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I think he's alright, and certainly not deserving of all the hate that I see in the chat channel. I have to believe casting is a lot harder than it looks and takes actual skill and experience to do well, so I give credit to Gretorp for filling in as streamcaster well.
That being said, I do have a small complaint -- he seems to be grasping for words sometimes and doesn't come off as terribly eloquent. Specifically, he'll call something a really great play, and instead of explaining why he'll simply repeat that it was a really great play two more times. If someone is an amazing player, or something amazing just happen, please explain why, even if we all know why -- and if you can add in a detail that is fresh and is unlikely to have been caught by us viewers, all the better!
And lastly, it would be so awesome if we could hear Gretorp nerdgasm in a game :D (ahhhhh, ahhhh...ahhhhhh......) LOL
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wrG1MFzteY
Starting from 6:45
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His voice is too soft and sweet, but I don't mind :>.
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On April 15 2011 07:13 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:05 Zanno wrote:
the problem with gretorp is actually gretorp's microphone
first impressions mean a lot but once they fix the volume clipping issue i think people will get over it Agreed. The HUGE variance in his mic volume is pretty distracting, and I think fixing that would be a tremendous improvement.
They just need to add a compressor to his microphone track in the mix. The fact that they haven't done this really makes me question the production of this thing :S
Also, I'm really happy to see so many people loving Gretorp :D
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His casting has potential, not to mention his excited nerd voice can probably be worked on.
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He's fine as a caster, but he doesnt really keep me interested the way the TSL casters keep me interested. I just think they can higher people better
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On April 15 2011 07:59 adeezy wrote:
He's fine as a caster, but he doesnt really keep me interested the way the TSL casters keep me interested. I just think they can higher people better
hire*
Personally, I love Gretorp. His casting is great, and his analysis is often spot on. I love when he talks about opportunity costs and the effects it will have on a person's build. He's especially good when casting Terran players because he understands the race so well, and the theory behind their choices. People are complaining because they've never heard Broodwar casting before (ie PLAGUUUUUUUUUUU, REABO REABO REABO REABO!) or because they're just being annoying brats who can't appreciate Gretorp's handsomeness. 
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Gretorp! Gretorp! Gretorp! Yeah! Gotta love this nerd.
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He never calls him handsome anymore  Thats whats wrong
As one else already said the only issue I can find with his casting is his mic, apart from that Gretorp is good at casting and had good knowledge of game.
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On April 15 2011 06:53 arb wrote:
Because its a bunch of new posters who have no respect for most old school bw players
They should be honored someone as good as Gretorp decided to even commentate for them.
(Note: I have no opinion one way or the other about Gretorp's casting ability.)
God forbid people be judged on merit rather than seniority and skill that they had in a prior game.
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On April 15 2011 07:59 adeezy wrote:
He's fine as a caster, but he doesnt really keep me interested the way the TSL casters keep me interested. I just think they can higher people better
Nothing could be worse than the TSL casting when day[9] isn't casting IMO. /slight exaggeration
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iNcontroL
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our sound abilities were terrible. They are fixed now. Todays broadcast still has same sound issues but gretorp and I don't scream I think!
After tonight the sound quality will be around 30x better! I listened to it myself.
Also after tonight: Music during pregame/in game commentary. SOUNDS A LOT BETTER
<3
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I've liked Gretorp since his BW days and I believe he can do well as a caster. At the moment though, a lot of stuff he says is exaggerated and his enthusiasm comes off as fake. More importantly, he just seems nervous and uncomfortable in front of the camera and in a studio setting. I'm sure it's a lot of pressure. He just needs to chill and be his normal self and he'll do fine.
Also I'd like to add (for both casters) that although this league is serious bussiness you gotta relax and have some fun with it. Jokes, friendly banter, talking about horses and guinea pigs lol. That's what the viewers want and expect. Sitting there all stiff and serious is not really entertaining.
I'm sure it'll come with time though.
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On April 15 2011 08:21 iNcontroL wrote:our sound abilities were terrible. They are fixed now. Todays broadcast still has same sound issues but gretorp and I don't scream I think! After tonight the sound quality will be around 30x better! I listened to it myself. Also after tonight: Music during pregame/in game commentary. SOUNDS A LOT BETTER <3
Thanks for this, now Gretorp can get excited and my ears won't die.
Also, how many more games is Diggity doing?
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On April 15 2011 09:00 BG1 wrote:
He just needs to chill and be his normal self and he'll do fine.
Yep, Gretorp just needs to chill, as Tyler would say.
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On April 15 2011 08:03 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:59 adeezy wrote:
He's fine as a caster, but he doesnt really keep me interested the way the TSL casters keep me interested. I just think they can higher people better hire* Personally, I love Gretorp. His casting is great, and his analysis is often spot on. I love when he talks about opportunity costs and the effects it will have on a person's build. He's especially good when casting Terran players because he understands the race so well, and the theory behind their choices. People are complaining because they've never heard Broodwar casting before (ie PLAGUUUUUUUUUUU, REABO REABO REABO REABO!) or because they're just being annoying brats who can't appreciate Gretorp's handsomeness.
Agreed -- I checked out NASL briefly -- and was actually quite pleased with the crazy shouting and good analysis. I'll definitely watch again.
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On April 15 2011 08:21 iNcontroL wrote:our sound abilities were terrible. They are fixed now. Todays broadcast still has same sound issues but gretorp and I don't scream I think! After tonight the sound quality will be around 30x better! I listened to it myself. Also after tonight: Music during pregame/in game commentary. SOUNDS A LOT BETTER <3
Great! Will pay when I can pay with PayPal!
I recommend all of the BW fans to support GSL and NASL, as even though (at least I) think the games are boring, by supporting SC2 we make SC as an e-sport bigger!
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How the hell are there gretorp haters? He's one of the better casters in the scene.
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Zurich15329 Posts
Because it's the internet. People hate. If you are in the spotlight, people hate you more.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50185 Posts
poeple don't like him because he gets really excited while casting.
I mean really?Is how is that so bad?Have you ever seen playguuu and reabo and Most Psi storm ever?
the commentators literally scream their lungs out and gretorp is so passionate about SC2 and shows it in such a form he just makes me want to watch SC2....the dude actually makes me want to watch SC2.
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Haha can't believe people can hate Gretorp.
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On April 15 2011 08:21 iNcontroL wrote:our sound abilities were terrible. They are fixed now. Todays broadcast still has same sound issues but gretorp and I don't scream I think! After tonight the sound quality will be around 30x better! I listened to it myself. Also after tonight: Music during pregame/in game commentary. SOUNDS A LOT BETTER <3
awesome
Can't wait for your guys next cast
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I'm confused. So many people are praising him for his BW days... but he never did anything in BW. It's boggling, how could you have been his sincere fan? I just think this is a bunch of SC2 players making up fallacies. I love Gretorp, little lagger that he is... but please don't spam bullshit.
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Actually, I'm confused. What are people spamming exactly? No one here said he "did anything in BW," which I assume you mean he has no huge bw accomplishments. I just personally liked watching his stream in the bw days; his was one of the more interesting ones to watch b/c he actually talked and interacted while playing.
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He was a good theorycrafter back then as well.
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On April 15 2011 18:02 djcube wrote:
Actually, I'm confused. What are people spamming exactly? No one here said he "did anything in BW," which I assume you mean he has no huge bw accomplishments. I just personally liked watching his stream in the bw days; his was one of the more interesting ones to watch b/c he actually talked and interacted while playing.
Apparently his BW streaming days dont count.
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To answer the question proposed by the thread title: he's not being himself. Be yourself, Andre.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50185 Posts
I never knew of gretorp's BW career.
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i love gretorp but i think the nerves get to him in NASL.. hopefully he will settle down.
he never had this "nervous energy" when he would self commentate bw and sc2
i also think his casting is a lot better when a terran is playing.. the nada/dde game had great casting
on a side note.. i think they really need someone who knows zerg.. that zvz game was really awkward and both inc and gretorp seemed pretty clueless as to what was going on..
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how can anyone hate gretorp -______- I've been in love with the guy since I first heard him cast EU vs ASIA back in beta (with D9) and he never failed to impress me with his deep knowledge and thoughtful approach to the game.
Yes, he has some individual quirks in his speech that he might want to work on but I do not mind that stuff at all.
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He's not perfect, but he has a great voice for casting and he obviously knows a lot about the game. I'm sure he'll become one of the better casters around when he settles into the job a bit.
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It's funny because I am a hater who hates on almost everything but I actually like Gretorp.
:O
except I miss his old looks
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Well, my points have already been mentioned in the thread and seem pretty common, but just adding decibels to the crowd I guess.
1) Mic goes way too loud during excitement
2) Excitement seems forced at times?
3) Mix between a commentator and an analyst - and not a very smooth mix, though great at being an analyst (for most matchups ><)
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He just has a lot of work to do if he wants to become a better caster. And it isn't going to be easy, and possible Western fans are tick tocking away.
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On April 16 2011 04:25 EtherealDeath wrote:
Well, my points have already been mentioned in the thread and seem pretty common, but just adding decibels to the crowd I guess.
1) Mic goes way too loud during excitement
2) Excitement seems forced at times?
3) Mix between a commentator and an analyst - and not a very smooth mix, though great at being an analyst (for most matchups ><)
1.) They seemed to have fix the mic, at least for the last cast. Caster volumes are very acceptable and no longer ear-shattering.
2.) Gretorp seemed to have heard our comments, so he now doesn't show very much "forced excitement" anymore. Unlike his first NASL casts, Gretorp seemed almost too calm in the last cast.
3.) I really liked Gretorp's analysis, especially now that he's less nervous and keeps a better composure during his casts.
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He has small penis
On topic : He's doing a great job
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haters gonna hate
gretorp is one of the best english casters so I dunno what all the fuss is about
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lmao that video on the first page....
Gretorp is awesome
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Gretorp is handsome. I just wish he'd go back to calling plays handsome.
But yeah he's great. Me like. No need for people to pile on on casters all the time seesh.
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What's wrong with Gretorp? Nothing.
This man taught me how to robustly bop clowns, and for that I owe him a great deal. Gretorp is bigger than the haters and is improving his casting powers daily.
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I don't mind him, incontrol on the otherhand :X
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I think the complaints are in part due to the other quality casters that the NASL has had (I've really enjoyed Diggity and Khaldor). Personally, I think Gretorp is the worst out of the 4 casters that I've seen on the NASL, and if others agree with me, then that could be part of the reason why there are so many haters. While I'd like Gretorp to improve upon his casting, I'm also just an impatient teen that wants the good stuff now  .
Stick with it Thwarptorp <3
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There are probably some people who don't recognize Gretorp as a name of authority, so they end up jumping on the hate bandwagon. So much analysis in Gretorp that you never need to look anywhere else +_+...hopefully he can begin to show his strengths more in casts as he gets used to dual casting!
Go Andre! I agree with Classysaurus, be yourself you so funny & handsome, brah.
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Nothing is wrong with Gretorp, he is great. People just think omg lol rofl he isnt as good as Artosis or Tasteless who have been casting non stop for years.
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On April 15 2011 07:43 Megaliskuu wrote:
His voice is too soft and sweet, but I don't mind :>.
hahaha!! please elaborate? what do you do while hes announcing..
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I think Gretorp's doing really solid, the amount of hate he's receiving is atrocious. A lot of people love to examine anyone who's in the spotlight under a microscope and hold them up to "perfect" standards from the get-go. Either they're perfect or terrible, is the approach that a lot of people take. Thankfully it is just a minority, albeit a very vocal one.
Of course Gretorp has room for improvement, so does everyone. And that he has room for improvement doesn't mean he hasn't been doing a fine job so far. I think he's actually got quite a bit of potential and it'll be cool to compare his casting in week 10 of NASL to week 1 to really benchmark his improvement.
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dunno guys there's like one informative thing that is said by gretorp per cast. and the rest of the time he is struggling to even be comprehensible. He tries to spice up the commentary by adding metaphor or something "funny", but it usually falls flat especially when casting with someone else since he is so quick to differ on anything even his own vast knowledge of starcraft, Big No No.
Today i think i heard him say "and those marines [studder] [studder] scattered [studder] [pause in search of words] like when you thrust your fist [studder] into an anthill [pause in amazement of his own awkwardness]". Khaldor immediately ignores what he just said and began commentary on something else entirely.
tl;dr
gretorp not confident in his own casting because he is aware that he studders, and that he cant fluidly "put into words" his obvious knowledge of the game. He needs commentary practice somewhere other than the debut of a "troubled" new league.
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nothing is wrong with gretorp , its the fucking NASL
why cant they fix the audio ? compared to TSL3 and IGN their audio is way way worse .. its even worse than an old radio.
they should get a better sound setup .
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On April 22 2011 12:37 rozero1234 wrote:
dunno guys there's like one informative thing that is said by gretorp per cast. and the rest of the time he is struggling to even be comprehensible. He tries to spice up the commentary by adding metaphor or something "funny", but it usually falls flat especially when casting with someone else since he is so quick to differ on anything even his own vast knowledge of starcraft, Big No No.
Today i think i heard him say "and those marines [studder] [studder] scattered [studder] [pause in search of words] like when you thrust your fist [studder] into an anthill [pause in amazement of his own awkwardness]". Khaldor immediately ignores what he just said and began commentary on something else entirely.
tl;dr
gretorp not confident in his own casting because he is aware that he studders, and that he cant fluidly "put into words" his obvious knowledge of the game. He needs commentary practice somewhere other than the debut of a "troubled" new league.
Hasn't Gretorp been casting the GCPL for a while? Honestly I felt like he did a better job with that, although it was too relaxed and casual for the NASL.
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Well i tuned in to watch NASL for the first time today and im really not impressed by gretorps and incontrols coverage, its either stating the obvious or playing the guessing game, which they do all the time. As a result they go so much off-course with their guessing that it turns into complete rambling, and once the obvious happens they are taken completely off-guard by the events and try to shrub it off with some sort of excuse in a joking manner.
After thinking a bit more about it... the way i see it now is that gretorp is kinda a lead caster, and that incontrol is in this "support" role, and that is the problem. You see gretorp can be awesome when it comes to analyzing and breaking down the gameplay, but since hes leading the commentary (and observing) there is not a lot of breathing room left for him to think into the more deep stuff that is happening, add the pressure of the scale of this event and we have our problem.
What im trying to say is that he should be in a support caster role, but i guess it's not his decision to make.
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On April 18 2011 23:45 KurtistheTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:43 Megaliskuu wrote:
His voice is too soft and sweet, but I don't mind :>. hahaha!! please elaborate? what do you do while hes announcing..
Listen to the soft soundwaves as they flow into my ears and into my body :>
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Gretorp is cool.
The main problem of NASL is the production value ( compared to IGN ) but it seems that they have already improved the quality of the stream.
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On April 15 2011 18:12 Classysaurus wrote:
To answer the question proposed by the thread title: he's not being himself. Be yourself, Andre.
This is exactly correct. The way your voice sounds, your mannerisms (he does a lot of half blinking), people can tell when you're not genuine. Now whether he's nervous or not, we still get the feeling that he's not himself and it's untrustworthy.
As for tastosis, they weren't great when they started, but I can tell they, like incontrol, were genuine.
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United States4796 Posts
Love Gretorp. What the hell?
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On April 15 2011 06:54 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
There are gretorp haters? The hell lol? In terms of theorycrafting and explaining...I think he is honestly the best out there. His english is perfect...I don't get thw quote about how he doesn't speak english well enough.
Gretorp has been in the SC scene for a REALLY long time, I am a huge fan of his.
You know...as I continue to watch NASL...I kinda take that back now. I am finding that gretorp's commentary is kinda...well just plain awkward. For BW he was great but in SC2 not so much. He seems to have absolutely zero chemistry with any other commentator.
Would be nice to try some other commentator combinations...I'd really love to see idra and incontrol that would be awesome.
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On May 21 2011 12:00 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 06:54 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
There are gretorp haters? The hell lol? In terms of theorycrafting and explaining...I think he is honestly the best out there. His english is perfect...I don't get thw quote about how he doesn't speak english well enough.
Gretorp has been in the SC scene for a REALLY long time, I am a huge fan of his. You know...as I continue to watch NASL...I kinda take that back now. I am finding that gretorp's commentary is kinda...well just plain awkward. For BW he was great but in SC2 not so much. He seems to have absolutely zero chemistry with any other commentator. Would be nice to try some other commentator combinations...I'd really love to see idra and incontrol that would be awesome.
I've seen this with casters like HDStarcraft. He's very awkward with other commentators and, to me at least, it ends up looking selfish.
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I didn't like Gretorp's casting at all (this was before NASL) but now that I've been watching him a lot on NASL, I think that he's a good caster. Him and Incontrol's chemistry keep getting better, he has excellent analysis, and his voice is unique.
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I take my hate back. There are more depressing issues to talk about than Gretorp's casting. xD
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Gretorp is way better than a lot of other big SC2 casters. I'm pretty happy with the gretorp/inc combo...It seems to be pretty casual, yet informative. And I don't mean casual in terms of their knowledge of the game, I just mean in terms of their approach to casting, like how they're always making jokes and stuff. It kind of bothered me at first, but I like it now.
Frankly I think NASL has done a really good job with the casting for the most part, whether it's gretorp/inc, or the guest casters they've had. The only exception was last night with Totalbiscuit.
Actually just to add one more thing, people are always comparing NASL to the production quality of IPL and saying that it isn't as good, and that's true (though I find the quality to be more or less really good at this point), but I would say NASL casting has been far better than IPL casting was. I watched half of the IPL games with the sound turned off because the casting was so bad...not so with NASL.
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Gretorp + Incontrol are a funny casting duo, but I wish Gretorp would get back to playing more, because even though he is doing fine, there are better casters out there. His value comes from being an active player, and whilst he is he'll always get a job casting. If he isn't a top player I fear he won't last long as a caster.
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I don't like gretorps commentary very much but I love the guy. Some people use harsh words.
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He's doing amazing. If I had to commentate that many games per week my head would explode, let alone showing any enthusiasm or interest in the games.
He's analytical too, which is really great.
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On April 22 2011 12:37 rozero1234 wrote:
dunno guys there's like one informative thing that is said by gretorp per cast. and the rest of the time he is struggling to even be comprehensible. He tries to spice up the commentary by adding metaphor or something "funny", but it usually falls flat especially when casting with someone else since he is so quick to differ on anything even his own vast knowledge of starcraft, Big No No.
Today i think i heard him say "and those marines [studder] [studder] scattered [studder] [pause in search of words] like when you thrust your fist [studder] into an anthill [pause in amazement of his own awkwardness]". Khaldor immediately ignores what he just said and began commentary on something else entirely.
tl;dr
gretorp not confident in his own casting because he is aware that he studders, and that he cant fluidly "put into words" his obvious knowledge of the game. He needs commentary practice somewhere other than the debut of a "troubled" new league.
very well put. I have nothing against the guy, but he's just not easy on the ear. he rambles incoherently and often stops mid-sentence to find the right word. Each time he pauses mid-sentence or uses some awkward phrase, i just want to break something.
On the otherhand, I enjoy listening to that energetic biscuit guy and incontrol.
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I really like Gretorp as a streamer. He's one of the few pros who can speak fluidly while playing. Ironically, he speaks better while playing than he does while casting. For most people its the other way around.
I think Gretorp's a top-notch caster for TvZ and TvP, however I feel like his analysis is poor in all other matchups. Thats fine for playbyplay specialists who can coast on broadcasting experience, but analytical commentators live or die by the quality of their commentary. And unfortunately Gretorp provides quality in only 2 of 6 matchups. He has the potential to become a great analytical commentator if he can elevate his other matchups to his TvZ/P, but unfortunately I haven't seen much improvement on that front thus far. Although I am glad that his sound isses have improved significantly.
I think if Gretorp was trying to be just a random-joe youtube caster then he wouldn't have nearly as many haters. The problem is that he leapt into a full time job without adequate experience, to the point where I often feel like I'm paying to watch Gretorp receive on-the-job training. Thats acceptable for free content, but people set a higher standard for paid content.
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People on this forum like to bitch and moan about everything. They complained about Kelly, they complained about Doa, they complained about Moletrap, they complained about Gretorp, they complained about Incontrol, etc. They're gonna complain about Wolf too.
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On May 24 2011 06:24 StutteR wrote:
People on this forum like to bitch and moan about everything. They complained about Kelly, they complained about Doa, they complained about Moletrap, they complained about Gretorp, they complained about Incontrol, etc. They're gonna complain about Wolf too.
I don't think that's true. People were complaining about Artosis+Tasteless back in GSL1, because honestly they were pretty awful. Now they're the most revered casting duo out there, and rightfully so.
I would dispute your comment that the community is negative towards Doa/Moletrap. Like 99% of the stuff I read about them is positive. And it is also very rare to see people complain about the likes Day9, DJWheat, JP, PainUser, etc. Sure everyone has their haters, but it's not like the community hates without cause. Don't let the few negative comments wash out the sea of positive comments.
And please don't make the mistake of hating on the haters =P
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On May 24 2011 06:24 StutteR wrote:
People on this forum like to bitch and moan about everything. They complained about Kelly, they complained about Doa, they complained about Moletrap, they complained about Gretorp, they complained about Incontrol, etc. They're gonna complain about Wolf too.
The WCG Sweden Qualifiers thread is basically 80 pages of people saying how amazing 2GD and TLO are. I think good talent and good effort are appreciated and rewarded in the community. The negative opinions on most of the casters you mentioned (haven't seen a lot of stuff about doa/moletrap tbh) are completely justified.
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