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Today I saw comments like this on Twitter:
"I cannot watch anymore of @gretorp 's games. He's talking rubbish, hardly good english. Wont be paying for season 2 if he is still around." and "please fire @gretorp"
Why is people so angry with him? I haven't watched a lot of NASL since I find SC2 boring to watch, but the games I saw I think he did a very good job. Gretorp is a theorycrafter deluxe, and he knows a lot about the game. He isn't the best caster yet, but I definitely think he has the potential, and his voice is just soooo nice!
I also saw people complaining about yelling, but it's really not his fault that the sound technicians don't put on compression on the microphone tracks.
Gretorp is the only reason I would buy a NASL ticket. Why are there so many haters?
 
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Because its a bunch of new posters who have no respect for most old school bw players
They should be honored someone as good as Gretorp decided to even commentate for them.
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Because they're more vocal than the people who like him?
<3 Gretorp and I like his style of casting way more than most casters. It's a great mix of being analytical without sounding like he knows better than the players. He could work on his intensity and the frequency of some of his sayings more, but it's a minor criticism imo.
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There are gretorp haters? The hell lol? In terms of theorycrafting and explaining...I think he is honestly the best out there. His english is perfect...I don't get thw quote about how he doesn't speak english well enough.
Gretorp has been in the SC scene for a REALLY long time, I am a huge fan of his.
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I like Gretorp. They're retards.
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Ive liked Gretorp doing analysis (in both BW and SC2) but not so much his NASL casting. His enthuthiasm just feels forced atm. Maybe with a bit more experience he can hone it but as of now its kind of sub par. I think he should leave the colour commentary to Diggity and Khaldor. Gretorp should just cast it like Artosis, going with his strengths (analysis).
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Sounds like the bad end of a lot of drinking.
I hope anyone who reads a lot of bad shit about them know that those who are satisfied, remain quiet and appreciative.
Huge fan of Gretorp.
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he certainly did well yesterday, without inc around he really took it upon himself to provide a nice focused commentary
i'm not sure i can say the same about the day before thoug
On April 15 2011 06:59 Entropic wrote:
but not so much his NASL casting. His enthuthiasm just feels forced atm. Maybe with a bit more experience he can hone it but as of now its kind of sub par.
think it was this
*but he did well yesterday
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the problem with gretorp is actually gretorp's microphone
first impressions mean a lot but once they fix the volume clipping issue i think people will get over it
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On April 15 2011 07:05 Zanno wrote:
the problem with gretorp is actually gretorp's microphone
first impressions mean a lot but once they fix the volume clipping issue i think people will get over it
Agreed. The HUGE variance in his mic volume is pretty distracting, and I think fixing that would be a tremendous improvement.
Otherwise, I'm rather fine with Gretorp's casting. Though the enthusiasm does seem a bit forced, I do believe that he actually is expressing genuine enthusiasm, except he still needs to refine that expression to be more believable and less distracting.
I really do enjoy Gretorp's analysis as it is usually quite accurate and insightful. Honestly, I really dislike people saying that even KellyMilkies should replace Gretorp. Though I found her casting to be quite bearable, Gretorp's speech and analysis are simply worlds better and clearer even though he still needs work to compete with more established casters like Day9 and Artosis.
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People will always find something to hate I suppose. It's too early to judge him as an NASL caster yet, seeing as he's done two days worth of commentaries for NASL. It's not like Tastosis was perfect for GOM season 1. They were calling units by their BW counterparts and forgot the production tab occasionally.
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I thought overall he did a great job but there were points that were kinda painful. For example DarkForce vs. Cruncher at the end, him overhyping cruncher's vortex that didn't really matter and how cruncher completely outplayed Darkforce.
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I like Gretorp too but if the nasl is someone's first exposure to him I can understand not liking him. Last night he was like a over the top parody of the forced excitement tryhard youtube casters I can't stand to watch. I had to close the stream after that vortex call.
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People will bitch and complain about anything. Add to that that it's on a website where the creators of content actually listen to the community and this is what you get. Imagine if a legitimate television show you watched got feedback from the millions of viewers it had and listened to the people complaining all of the time. The fact that the NASL listens is good, but it creates this space where everybody thinks their opinion is so important and must be heard.
Add to that mob mentality that runs rampant online and this is what you get.
Is he the best caster? No. Is he a fine caster? yes. And, as others have stated, if his mic volume is fixed I imagine 50% of complaints will go away, or more.
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he's the only reason you'd buy a ticket? fair enough if you like him that much but i would never buy a ticket to a tournament just for the casters, i would only get it for the games.
i'm fine with him, he was really good with the GCPL, he has looked a little nervous in the NASL so far, stuttering etc and the sound quality and lack of music have made it look a little worse than it is but he's still fine and will only get better as far as i can see. I've really never understood how people can be so passionate about their dislike of some casters, people seem to claim they are criticizing casters "for ESPORTS" but it is almost always nasty and quite personal, reddit starcraft seems particularly bad for this kind of stuff
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The content of what he says is fine enough. He just seemed awkward on camera, microphone problems, forced enthusiasm, some trouble with the co-casting aspect... all things that are easily explained as being the start of something new that takes some adjustments and getting used to.
I don't think what I've seen so far from him has been super great-- but at the same time, he definitely deserves some time before anyone should really be complaining. I'm sure he'll adjust and people will forget about it quickly enough.
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People say he's good at theory crafting and analysis but... when he's casting the games he's like "Ok so I think he's gonna get stim now..." after stim is already started researching.... How is that theory crafting if he's just saying stuff that's already being displayed on screen? Artosis is the only person I know that is fantastic at knowing what players are going to do WELL before they do it, and he does it in terms of strategy and not just what unit/upgrade he's gonna get next.
Also Gretorp is kind of boring, like others have said his enthusiasm feels forced, he doesn't have good chemistry with inc at all I think. I don't think his voice is quite right and he does stumble on a lot of words, it feels like he's trying to be a cross between artosis and tasteless, and he's not quite hitting either mark.
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I think he's alright, and certainly not deserving of all the hate that I see in the chat channel. I have to believe casting is a lot harder than it looks and takes actual skill and experience to do well, so I give credit to Gretorp for filling in as streamcaster well.
That being said, I do have a small complaint -- he seems to be grasping for words sometimes and doesn't come off as terribly eloquent. Specifically, he'll call something a really great play, and instead of explaining why he'll simply repeat that it was a really great play two more times. If someone is an amazing player, or something amazing just happen, please explain why, even if we all know why -- and if you can add in a detail that is fresh and is unlikely to have been caught by us viewers, all the better!
And lastly, it would be so awesome if we could hear Gretorp nerdgasm in a game :D (ahhhhh, ahhhh...ahhhhhh......) LOL
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wrG1MFzteY
Starting from 6:45
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His voice is too soft and sweet, but I don't mind :>.
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On April 15 2011 07:13 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 07:05 Zanno wrote:
the problem with gretorp is actually gretorp's microphone
first impressions mean a lot but once they fix the volume clipping issue i think people will get over it Agreed. The HUGE variance in his mic volume is pretty distracting, and I think fixing that would be a tremendous improvement.
They just need to add a compressor to his microphone track in the mix. The fact that they haven't done this really makes me question the production of this thing :S
Also, I'm really happy to see so many people loving Gretorp :D
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