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So this one time I'm running several city blocks (in Kalamazoo Michigan) to make the bus before it leaves the station. I'm on foot and it would take about 90 minutes to hike the 5 additional miles home.
I stop at a one-way street. Cars are coming and the walk sign isn't lit. I see it go white. I look left, right, left, forward, run across the street!
About halfway across I catch a car making a quick right turn out of my peripherals. Realizing what was coming, I slow down just in time to get hit. It managed to avoid most my body when I stuck out my hands and bounced off the door. Too bad my legs were in front on me. The car's tire caught the side of my foot which rotated me 180 degrees as it ran me over. Immediately after I get up, hop to the sidewalk, and sit by a tree while my foot swells to twice its size and a witness at the neighboring car dealership calls the police.
Everything at that point went well. I gave my report, the driver gave his, I get a nice ambulance ride to the hospital.
I was in the emergency room for 20 minutes before someone came to see me. It was the first officer on the scene. After asking how I felt he gives me a ticket! Evidently, "crossing against the pedestrian don't walk sign" is a civil infraction (read: I was in the crosswalk so this was NOT jaywalking). Even though I had checked the sign it wasn't the last thing I checked and without the proof he needed to ticket me.
Well, this sucks. On the other hand, this officer was rather awesome about it. He told me he was only giving it because he had to and I should fight it. So I did. I had to admit guilt to the infraction, but I got the fine removed thanks to my hospital bills. The cop even showed up to speak on my behalf! A great experience overall!
Note 1: My foot was actually fine. It hurt for about a month, but nothing broken. Apparently feet are very resilient. The doctor said an elephant could step on it without breaking anything.
Note 2: This was deemed an auto accident and as such went on my driving record. Ironic since I was one foot...
Note 3: Michigan has 'no fault insurance', so I had to pay my hospital bills even though "pedestrians [almost] always have the right of way". And, since the "accident" was deemed my fault by the police the driver got away with nothing more than a "don't do it again".
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On March 03 2011 18:59 Wasteweiser wrote: So every time i deal with cops they seem like complete dicks. Dont get me wrong this doesnt mean i hate them, they got a tough job for sure. I've however noticed a trend with cops, those who are completely douchey seem to let you go, got away with speed before, tonight i got away with drifting(tried to nail me for drugs but jokes on him, never done them.) both cases they were complete dicks. The only ticket i have gotten was from the nice cop, and it was a nasty ticket lol.
So i'm curious whats ur experience with cops?
you can get pulled over for drifting? :O how did this happen?
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On March 03 2011 20:00 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Most people don't even realize how little time they "win" by speeding.
Well, on a clear road, if the speed limit is 50mph, and im doing 100, i clearly cut my journey time in half.
On the other hand speeders in heavy traffic.......
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On March 03 2011 23:11 Antimage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 18:59 Wasteweiser wrote: So every time i deal with cops they seem like complete dicks. Dont get me wrong this doesnt mean i hate them, they got a tough job for sure. I've however noticed a trend with cops, those who are completely douchey seem to let you go, got away with speed before, tonight i got away with drifting(tried to nail me for drugs but jokes on him, never done them.) both cases they were complete dicks. The only ticket i have gotten was from the nice cop, and it was a nasty ticket lol.
So i'm curious whats ur experience with cops? you can get pulled over for drifting? :O how did this happen?
"Careless driving" (or changing lanes without a blinker).
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On March 03 2011 23:14 Mofisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 20:00 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Most people don't even realize how little time they "win" by speeding. Well, on a clear road, if the speed limit is 50mph, and im doing 100, i clearly cut my journey time in half. On the other hand speeders in heavy traffic....... Did you ever calculate for the fact that time moves slower since youre speed is higher? Didnt think so... ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif)
On a more serious note. Ive never had ANY problems with the police. Theyre generally vey nice unless youre drunk and/or try to argue with them!
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On March 03 2011 20:00 HwangjaeTerran wrote: The rules are there for a reason. You can't blame the people doing their job well. I think that if you can afford a car you can afford all the tickets too. Most people don't even realize how little time they "win" by speeding.
Most people can't afford a car. That's why they take out a loan to pay for it. So no, that doesn't mean you can afford the tickets. I know I sure can't. Give me a $400 ticket and I'd be unable to pay rent.
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Zurich15310 Posts
On March 03 2011 23:14 Mofisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 20:00 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Most people don't even realize how little time they "win" by speeding. Well, on a clear road, if the speed limit is 50mph, and im doing 100, i clearly cut my journey time in half. On the other hand speeders in heavy traffic....... Yeah ... that's not how it works. You only cut your journey time in half if you double your average speed. Which is pretty damn hard. So HwangjaeTerran is right, usually your actual time gain is ridiculously low for speeding.
Around here where there is no speed limit on large parts on the Autobahn I go 200-250 whenever I can. On good days that gives me an average speed of say 135, versus about 110 I would have if I would stick to the recommended speed of 130 over longer journeys. The highest I managed to get so far was 149 average, and that was in the middle of the night going 250 as long as possible on a 300km journey.
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It feels like the police in America have been reduced to an institution that tries as hard as it can to take money from the people. In between hiding and waiting to issue speeding tickets and arresting people for the merest of offenses (marijuana possession...) the police have lost a lot of their legitimacy in the country, especially among the youth. I myself have zero respect for police officers, the ones i've known personally (two of my friends out of high school) have both turned out to be power tripping dicks that just love to pick on people because they've got a badge. While that anecdotal evidence doesn't exactly prove anything, it seems like many people feel the same way about the police as me.
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So much of this thread is whining of the variety "I did (insert illegal action) and a cop had the nerve to be rude to me."
You have to put yourself in the shoes of a police officer approaching a stopped vehicle. He has no idea who you are and he is always walking into an entirely unknown situation. You could be some kid who screwed up or you could be some crack-dealer with a gun. It all looks eerily the same until the situation is resolved. For every decent person that the police officer has dealt with in the course of his day, he has dealt with just as many if not more belligerent, insulting, inconsiderate dicks. Forgive him for framing his encounter with you based on his most common experiences.
They're just people doing a job. Outside of the job, they're average, decent people for the most part. You want cops to give you the benefit of the doubt without any desire to return the favor.
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I realise that mate and you are right.
Maybe I should have been clearer though. Maintaining a speed of 100mph from point A to B (distance X), cuts the journey time for that distance in half (when the speed limit is 50 from A-B is 50). Clearly in the real world, with idiots pulling out in front of you, braking when there's no need, random patches of heavier traffic etc etc, maintaining an average speed of double the speed limit is nigh on impossible, so the gains from speeding would be reduced.
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I have never been ill treated by a cop ever. the only times I have ever encountered cops are when I was doing something wrong, and ultimately, they have all treated me very nicely.
I understand why some cops might be dicks, so many people are dicks to them when they try and reinforce laws that are used to protect the public.
I have been arrested before. so for brief moments in time, I have hated cops. but really after reflection the hate should have been aimed towards other areas, like towards my own decisions.
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On March 04 2011 00:08 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 23:14 Mofisto wrote:On March 03 2011 20:00 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Most people don't even realize how little time they "win" by speeding. Well, on a clear road, if the speed limit is 50mph, and im doing 100, i clearly cut my journey time in half. On the other hand speeders in heavy traffic....... Yeah ... that's not how it works. You only cut your journey time in half if you double your average speed. Which is pretty damn hard. So HwangjaeTerran is right, usually your actual time gain is ridiculously low for speeding. Around here where there is no speed limit on large parts on the Autobahn I go 200-250 whenever I can. On good days that gives me an average speed of say 135, versus about 110 I would have if I would stick to the recommended speed of 130 over longer journeys. The highest I managed to get so far was 149 average, and that was in the middle of the night going 250 as long as possible on a 300km journey.
Unless you take into account the part you drive in the city, stopping at various red lights, driving twice as fast means getting there in half the time. Of course it also increases the average speed. that's kind of a no-brainer.
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Shit, you just reminded me I have a speeding ticket to pay by next week. So thanks I suppose but,ya I fear the nice cop way more than the mean one. It seems the assholey ones feel bad for being dicks or are just more down to earth and seem to let you off more. The nice ones always smile and "hows it going" you and all that BS so they can shove a nice shiny smile down your throat with the $250 ticket they just handed you.
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I grew up in Jersey and went to school in rural Pennsylvania, so my experiences with cops have been polarizing. I never really got into trouble in NJ - one legitimate speeding ticket, which I took without complaint in a rich community for going 15 over. Had a family friend offer to fight it in court, judge let it go.
PA, however, has been a carnival of dicks when it comes to cops. There have been four total incidents in three years, so I'll go chronologically.
+ Show Spoiler +I was coming back from NJ on Thanksgiving night. On the highway near my college, there's a point where you have to make a relatively sharp left turn and the speed limit inconspicuously drops to 35 from 65. It continues in curvy fashion until you hit a three-way intersection, where you'd make a left onto the mountain road that lead to my campus and the apartments near it. It was 4 AM or so, and the drive was four hours deep with about twenty minutes to go when I got to this point. I was cruise-controlling at 65 on the highway, and when I hit the initial turn, I just turned it off and slowed up until I hit the traffic light. Lights go on behind my car and scare the bejeezus out of me - I make the left and pull over only for an unmarked car and two cruisers to surround me, lights, sirens, the whole deal. A little surprised, I fished out my license and registration and just lay my hands on top of the steering wheel. I remember noting that the officer walking up to my window appeared to be the douchiest douche to walk the earth, and he was definitely notably pissed off.
He collects my license and registration, flashlight right in my eyes (worst part, imo - I decided while brooding over this encounter I would simply stop looking cops in the face), etc, takes very little time checking me out in his car, only to come back and announce that I was underage (like I didn't know) and that I was driving like I was drunk (orly?). Luckily, my parents have always had a stiff rule against me drinking wine over holiday dinners.
I emerge from my car, and captain male-pattern-balding only gets more angry as I pass the field sobriety test, despite being chubby and from New Jersey, in front of he and the other four cops. His Saiyan rage hits a zenith once I blow a 0.000000000000000000000000000000 with the breathalyzer - he angrily jots down a speeding ticket, citing the detection method as 'pacing', meaning he supposedly followed me at a set speed above the limit for a certain amount of time, and actually scribbled out the number he had chosen to lie with twice. It was about 5 AM at this point, and I was pissed, so I clicked my tongue upon receiving said ticket, following that up with a 'Happy Thanksgiving, I guess.' His response was to write another ticket for reckless driving, citing that I was going beyond 20 over the speed limit (different than the speeding ticket, btw), and then offered to make them both 'go away' if I vice'd on the people who sold weed in my apartment complex. I told him truthfully I wasn't involved with that shit, but he just shrugged and uttered a foreboding 'Your loss.' When I went to court to contest the ticket, the officer didn't even show - both got dismissed. My assumption in hindsight is they were fishing for holiday drunks and got no one all night, leaving my juicy ass was one of their last chances, hence the three-car-circus.
+ Show Spoiler +Encounter-in-PA number two is much more brief. I was traveling up that mountain road I mentioned before, just in a pissy mood in the middle of the night with no one around, so I was driving carelessly with the music on blast. About halfway up the road, there's a five-way intersection, and if you're heading up from the highway, you don't have a stop sign. Given the generally abandoned nature of the road, I just gunned it before this intersection. I was at about 70 before going through, and right after the intersection is a sharp-ass turn, so I moved onto the opposite side of the road to allow my car the proper room to make the corner. I wasn't the only person in audience of my brazen maneuvering, however - about two miles up the road, a cop finally catches up to me and pulls me over. He was actually -really- kind, and I guess I looked really dejected, because as soon as he confirmed I wasn't inebriated, he went on to caution me with "Did you have a bad night, kid? You really shouldn't drive like that. You go off the road, no one'll notice you're in trouble up here," etc. He wound up letting me off with a warning and good wishes, though he didn't stop following me until I pulled into my apartment complex, heh.
+ Show Spoiler +Third encounter in PA is notable because it was some of the most flagrant bullshit that's ever been thrown my way ever about anything and every girlfriend I've ever had has been a cheating whore so I think my bullshit credentials are way in order. After a long night of autumn gaming, my friend Ed (who is also a nerdballer) and I decided some fresh air was in order. We hopped in my 1995 Benz pimptransport and went for a drive around this lake near our college - the lake community is a pretty wealthy one for the most part, so appreciating the homes of the rich and the view of the lake was a nice retreat from Street Fighter's aggravating ladder. Ed, ever vigilant, is the first to notice an unmarked champagne-colored Grand Marquis start up and follow us as we passed it by just outside a harbor. "That's either a cop, or someone's going to kill us," we resolved, so I hit the cruise control at 30, five below the limit, and kept an eye in the rearview. After about four miles of this shit, we decided it was creepy enough and to test our luck. We pulled off the road that circled closest the lake and retreated into the parking lot of a friend's apartment.
After a minute, we went back out, once again enjoying the view and the homes of the vastly money-blessed. Before long, same car pulled up behind us, and this was either going to be a horror movie or an arrest. Same deal, cruise control at 30. This time, given a few more miles, the lights come up and over we're pulled. Knowing I wasn't speeding, and keeping to my policy of not looking into flashlights head-on, I calmly handed over my credentials with a 'here you are' when asked. Curious of where this was going as the cop returned, we told him we were just going for a ride around the lake and enjoying the weather when asked. Although he seemed displeased, a thorough once-over from outside left him no probable cause for a search, so he left us with a warning to 'be less suspicious'. He just jelly of the ballermobile, obv~!
+ Show Spoiler + The last story is going to be told in short order because I'm running out of the literary sauce right now, but it's a fun encounter nonetheless. This one starts at Wal-Mart and ends with myself, Ed and our partner in crime Jon almost going to jail. Like I said, the chain of events starts at Wal-Mart, and like many decisions made at Wal-Mart, the choice to buy a paintball gun for later shenanigans was a bad one. Even worse than that, not putting in the the trunk. Worst of all was Ed shooting another car at a four-way traffic light from my back seat. What resulted was a brief piece of evidence toward my car being totally sweet but totally incapable of turning me into Jason Bourne. The victim of Ed's shooting spree held the trump card, however - pacing us for a short while, they called the cops and had them intercept us after giving them my license plate. This time, the three-car-pin was totally applicable. Officer Smith, let's call him, hopped to our window and demanded to be told WHERE THE GUNS WERE so we TOLD HIM and then we got HAAAAAAAAAND CUFFFFFFED. For the record, know that sitting on a curb while handcuffed is a herculean effort if you're tubby.
We got sat down and Jon and I sold out Ed immediately for being a fat, dumb bastard. My car got towed and we got tossed inside separate cruisers on the way to the station, where we sat, cuffed to the bench, while Officer Smith and his comrades worked out what to charge us with. Ed got called in to be interrogated first, at which point he rapidly confessed and gave a written statement. What followed was the most bizarre interview-of-sorts I was ever a part of, wherein Jon, Ed myself sought to convince this person who we were all convinced held the future of our college education in his hands that this evening was simply a lapse of judgment and our retardation was only temporary. As he learned about us all being engineering majors, myself being a chairperson of the student council, Ed (somehow) being engaged, we worked Officer Smith into rightly believing that this stupidity would blow over. Thankfully, we only got disorderly conduct citations, but he made it quite clear that the punishment could have been far more severe. Far more bizarre was the post-interview wait that ensued as I called a girl I drank with occasionally at another local college and she picked us up, granting us idiots a ride home.
This came after a month of general shenanigans - clubbing mailboxes with baseball bats, experimenting with pyrotechnics and other hillbilly dumb shit and being arrested quite promptly brought an end to any further silliness. Needless to say, Ed took care of the towing bill.
edit: and just because I want to have an opinion, there's little point to speeding in the city or suburbs, but the overall payoff for speeding 10-20 over on highways can be flippin' sweet.
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On March 03 2011 23:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 23:11 Antimage wrote:On March 03 2011 18:59 Wasteweiser wrote: So every time i deal with cops they seem like complete dicks. Dont get me wrong this doesnt mean i hate them, they got a tough job for sure. I've however noticed a trend with cops, those who are completely douchey seem to let you go, got away with speed before, tonight i got away with drifting(tried to nail me for drugs but jokes on him, never done them.) both cases they were complete dicks. The only ticket i have gotten was from the nice cop, and it was a nasty ticket lol.
So i'm curious whats ur experience with cops? you can get pulled over for drifting? :O how did this happen? "Careless driving" (or changing lanes without a blinker). $500 dollar ticket minimum here in Alberta for drifting. It gets put under the "Stunting" category.
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Zurich15310 Posts
On March 04 2011 01:15 Herpadurr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 00:08 zatic wrote:On March 03 2011 23:14 Mofisto wrote:On March 03 2011 20:00 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Most people don't even realize how little time they "win" by speeding. Well, on a clear road, if the speed limit is 50mph, and im doing 100, i clearly cut my journey time in half. On the other hand speeders in heavy traffic....... Yeah ... that's not how it works. You only cut your journey time in half if you double your average speed. Which is pretty damn hard. So HwangjaeTerran is right, usually your actual time gain is ridiculously low for speeding. Around here where there is no speed limit on large parts on the Autobahn I go 200-250 whenever I can. On good days that gives me an average speed of say 135, versus about 110 I would have if I would stick to the recommended speed of 130 over longer journeys. The highest I managed to get so far was 149 average, and that was in the middle of the night going 250 as long as possible on a 300km journey. Unless you take into account the part you drive in the city, stopping at various red lights, driving twice as fast means getting there in half the time. Of course it also increases the average speed. that's kind of a no-brainer. I feel like this is getting nowhere, but no, you only half your travel time by doubling your average speed. If you are arguing that average speed is what the guy meant by saying "I go 100 in a 50" then we are saying the same thing.
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On March 04 2011 01:36 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 01:15 Herpadurr wrote:On March 04 2011 00:08 zatic wrote:On March 03 2011 23:14 Mofisto wrote:On March 03 2011 20:00 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Most people don't even realize how little time they "win" by speeding. Well, on a clear road, if the speed limit is 50mph, and im doing 100, i clearly cut my journey time in half. On the other hand speeders in heavy traffic....... Yeah ... that's not how it works. You only cut your journey time in half if you double your average speed. Which is pretty damn hard. So HwangjaeTerran is right, usually your actual time gain is ridiculously low for speeding. Around here where there is no speed limit on large parts on the Autobahn I go 200-250 whenever I can. On good days that gives me an average speed of say 135, versus about 110 I would have if I would stick to the recommended speed of 130 over longer journeys. The highest I managed to get so far was 149 average, and that was in the middle of the night going 250 as long as possible on a 300km journey. Unless you take into account the part you drive in the city, stopping at various red lights, driving twice as fast means getting there in half the time. Of course it also increases the average speed. that's kind of a no-brainer. I feel like this is getting nowhere, but no, you only half your travel time by doubling your average speed. If you are arguing that average speed is what the guy meant by saying "I go 100 in a 50" then we are saying the same thing.
That is what I was trying to say mate. Explained it a bit better (possibly) in my next post
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If your job involved dealing with people who make stupid fucking decisions all day, you'd be grouchy, too. When someone goes bombing down a 20mph residential school district, at 50mph, the absolute LAST thing you want to show that person is an ounce of respect. Obviously the jackass doesn't give two shits about the rules of the road, or the safety of other human beings.
Keep in mind that police officers rarely deal with the better part of society. They're always going around solving the problems of the dregs, and then they have to file a bunch of paperwork over it. Do that day-in and day-out and see how you feel about some punk-ass kid weaving around the highway without using his indicators.
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I hope you weren't drifting on a major/actual road. I usually just drift in a relatively empty parking lot if im meeting up with friends, i'll drift into my spot - or i drift for the two turns before I get to my house in my neighborhood. It's tons of fun when it's not dangerous and there's enough snow on the ground :D
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lala i do illegal things on purpose while driving, cops act like dicks to me. All cops must be dicks bloged man i must be awesome.
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